The Leopard 2 and M1 are both excellent MBT's in War Thunder, these two are closely matched, but only one can win. You don't have to game alone, join my community by signing up on my email list on my website: www.seanfickengaming.com
i prefer the leopard 2a4 why? i havent played americans XD but actual reasons: 1. the speed of the leopard 2a4 is excelent compared to other mbts at that br 2. the gun, its mostly due to the player but i have gotten used to it and i can pretty much take out any tank with the gun. i have brought the leo 2a4 to 11.7 and its not great but not powerless. 3.its very versitale. (if that is how you type it) it can do pretty much any job: snipe, flank, brawl (altough not as well as other tanks can brawl) and sometimes also do some AA work. (this was a joke but i have shot down surprisingly many panes with a tank designed to kill other tanks) 4. survivability, the reason why i type survivability instead of armor is because the leo2a4 has probably the least armor compared to other mbts. a shot to the lower frontal plate usually means instant death to any mbt at that br. turret armor is also kinda lacking however a turret shot rarely is instant death. the leopard 2a4 has a lot of weakpoints but most of these do not result in an instant death. compared to tanks like the russian T-80 and american abrams. they have a weakpoint that can result in instant death and most of the time it does. for example the neck of the abrams is where i aim. it usually is a isntant kill. the driver sights of the t80 is also insta kill. but very small weakpoint and people tend to cover them with bushes. wich is very pay to win. so go for the lower front plate whenever possible on the russian tanks. but if the drivers optic is easier to hit then go for it. sometimes the spalling on the russian tanks is broken. abrams i dont think it has any other weakpoints for the leo2a4 to capitalize on except the neck. but the neck is a massive weakpoint. 5. more speed, this time i mean anything. from reload to turret speed and overall agility of the tank. its easy to flank and play mind games with the enemy if they are hiding behind a corner. (like using smoke, going to a different spot and baiting.) the negatives is that usually when you are penetrated a crew dies. and crew is very important for the leo2a4 to stay above other tanks. but i have gotten killstreaks surviving on 2 crew. wich is very crippled for the leo2a4 as the reload is super long, and the handling of the tanks decreases by a lot. but the leo2a4 is not inferior. in my opinion its the most superior tanks at 10.3. but well that is mostly on me. to actually play the leo2a4 it needs a lot of skill. from knowledge the weakpoints in any tank, and map knowledge and stuff like that. also brawling on the leo2a4 is not really something you should do. its not made for it and enemies will likely kill you when you try to turn a corner. so use 3rd person to peek behind corners to see if the enemy is looking at you. utilize distances to your advantage. leo2a4 is good at anything that is not super close range. but its not obsolite. you are still capable of killing a tank that is hiding behind a corner but other tanks do it better. hence why i like to bait them and use mind games with the enemy. utilizing artiellery is another good key to flush tanks out that may have lighter armor and it does sometimes work on mbts aswell. i think i have blabbered for long enough for now XD. thanks to the 1 person who read this and play whatever tank you please.
M1 superior to leo2 except . loader check a bit strudier . Gun shield far more weak but its ates shels sometimes . Bottom of Gun shield tricky its ates shels . Couple mm more pen and thats it
@@mehmetkaral8863 true but it aint as fast as the leo2a4 wich is why i prefer it in 10.3 battles. atlough i cant say much since i haven't played america that much xd but its a good tank for its agility. the main weaknesses of leo2a4 is the armor of it that every other tank has. good points lad. and good luck in your future matches!
@@ry0usama511 i do not know much about those two tanks. i was mainly talking about the major nation's mbt tanks of 10.3. i do not know about ariete as i mostly have forgotten about that and type90 is a leopard 2a4 copy with an autoloader. atleast that is what i know of it. i dont know if they have made the armor thinner on it or not. if that is true thank you for telling me this.
@@ThunderAdri151 I mean, it's not that bad, but any shot at the hull and you're dead, on the other hand, the Abrams hull can deflect something and you have fewer weak spots on the turret and better APFSDS.
I have around 1000 battles in 2a4 and around 300 in M1s, why i prefer M1 Abrams over 2a4 (june 2024)? Abrams has better reload speed and ESS smoke ... ESS smoke? really? yess! trust me i love to troll Objs and T-80UD spam with ESS smoke xD (if you dont know, ESS smoke isnt visible in thermal sights which objs and t-80ud dont have)
the thing with leopards is taht wra thunder doesent really render the diffrent armor packages the leopard 2 had like btech and c tech and the newer d tech which isnt jus taddon armor but a whole new lay out for example c tech in a leo 2 a4 was marketed as giving it the ability to resist bm 42 on the upper front plate
Trust me as a U.S main who knows we have at least 3-4 composite models and ranging from HAP 1-4 after the HA model which isn’t in war thunder so basically the HC and up should have very different layers of composite and M1A2’s composite should be a nightmare especially because we have changed the thickness of the DU filler plates if you listen to and trust U.S tankers. (I’ve never served a day in my life or been shot at in the vehicle some have so I’ll defer to them)
well, it's a totally different story in a real game than in the protection analysis, where leo2a4's turret is actually VERY trolly, to the point I avoid aiming at anywhere except the breach.
There are a few reasons for that, there will always be desync in online games, and you will never have a perfect shot angle on tanks, just generally somewhere on the front, the protection analysis is the most informative way of looking at armor as there is a lot you can control, it's also much easier to digest information with it as well.
I typically tell people that the leo2 is the easier to use tank but the m1 has a higher performance chance just down to it’s reload and speed advantage, tho you have to know how to take advantage of said bonus
M735's nerf is one of the bad decisions the developers made. It was nerfed based on a misunderstood bug report that they have refused to revert with new evidence.
Well Being that the M1A1, has more turret armor than the 2A4 and has access to M829A1 (while still having a 5 second reload) it's not even close, would have to compare the M1A1 to something Like a 2A4M or a Leopard 2PL.
I could see that, as shells like M829A1 and above pretty much behave the same, so The M1A1 has more mobility and firepower, but quite a bit less turret armor than the 2A5.
ah yes. So leo has bigger profile, worse armor, worse reload, worse mobility (better acceleration is a huge thing in WT) but because it's shells are better it wins? faster reloads means you can hit follow up shots much faster. Non aced, the 7.8 sec reload of the leopard forces you to wait for another opportunity, while 6.5 sec still has a decent chance of you being able to shoot again.
If you want to play top tier, penetration is the game. It's why Russian MBTs are still fantastic despite the fact that they basically don't have a reverse gear. If you can penetrate, you will do good. Especially if you play how these tanks are supposed to be played, hull down. The stronger reload isn't going to really play an effect as most of the time, if you are good, 1 round will disable your target, if there are multiple targets, then it still doesn't matter as you shouldn't peak the same spot twice, that will just get you killed.
@@Cesp43 already am at top tier. 10.3 ISNT top tier. 11.0 and upwards is. At 10.3 high survivability vehicles need multiple shots a lot of time. If you disable the breech but not kill the tank being able to follow up with a second shot fast is important. Especially at long ranges when you miss a bit and only disable the movement. According to you then the Leclerc autoloader and type 10 don't really matter. Well let me tell you it allows to kill people before they can even see you, even if you need two shots. Saying top tier is all about one shots is dumb, cause most of the time it's one shot that disables the tank, and the second shot finishes it. Should your reload be too slow, and the target not immobilized, he has time to smoke+go back to repair. Hull down is only allowed on certain maps /situations. Russian tanks are fantastic because they have very small weak spots from the front compared to other MBTs. That's literally it.
@@revan221. top tier is rank 7 and up 2. If you hit them once and disable them, then you can focus on other Targets, and then come back to the disabled tank and finish them, this is common practice among those who are actually good at the game. 3. no the extra reload on the French tanks doesn't matter, when most things can just hit you once and you are gone, or disabled 4. In long range shots, you are most likely going to hull down, and there are most likely going to be multiple enemies, this does not mean the extra 1 second reload will make the difference, it won't. What will make a difference is not peeking in the same area twice. Also hull down can be practiced in nearly every map of the game, even in urban settings. 5. No, Russian tanks are pretty easy to take out, their weak spots are pretty big as well, such as the lower front plate, drivers hatch, and if you find them slightly angled, just aim for the front of the tracks and you are likely to 1 shot them.
@@Cesp43if you aren't facing the top of the line tanks, it isn't top tier, let alone that rank 8 is now a thing. You can be using dm13 and your playstyle facing russians is the same, the whole engagement rule is hitting the tank and hope you hit a weakspot, because otherwise DM53 won't pen a russian mbt armor, nor an strv122 armor, nor most armored parts in other tanks. Reload means more than an extra 20mm of penetration, not only stock since that alone saves the m1 using a million silver lions to get an expert crew for a good reload, most of the time in war thunder follow up shots end up being the difference in winning an engagement, shooting a different target, especially at range while you are trading shots. The whole game in top tier is positioning and speed, fancy rounds mean nothing when everything has the same pen values and still rely on hitting weakspots for a kill or disabling a tank, since hitting armor is a guarantied bounce in most top tier tanks.
@@ishiddddd4783 1. Top tier is still rank 7 and up I'm my books given you don't really get a full line up for a lot of nations in rank 8 2. I generally find German rounds way better than American Rounds not just because it gets extra penetration, but also because the damage is Greater, and the rounds are more reliable. 3. No, again, it's about positioning, peeking the same spot is not a good strategy, if you want a good amount of kills, positioning is key, you can have a good reload rate but if you you can't position yourself in a good spot then you aren't going to get a good number of kills, you'll get shot immediately.
The M1 beats the Leopard 2A4 in almost all categories and you somehow could still manage to grant the Leopard 2A4 a close win by bringing up "stock status". Peak bias.
@@zzzzzzz...3380 Paper armor? tell that to the Turkish Leopard 2A4 that got its hull completely vanished by an RPG shot at it frontally. Shut up Wehraboos.
@@thewhitehousevietsubarchiv2625 i mean it was probably a tandem rpg round which has like what 900 mm of pen against an 1980 design when the leopard 2 a4 went into service tandem heat wasnt even a thing yet
