1:56 The poodle picture you have for liver is not actually liver. Liver in Poodles is simply called "brown", so that's what you need to search for pictures of poodles with the liver gene. The Poodle in that picture is recessive red (lacking all black pigment in the coat due to the E locus). You can tell that the dog isn't liver because it still has a very black nose. Unlike the E locus, liver changes the coat AND nose color.
My bad, I thought that was a liver poodle because I thought the nose was brown. Perhaps wasn't the best picture to find for liver. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I do not know poodles very well as a breed so thank you.
I always have to watch these a couple times to understand them, but I find them really interesting once I can get a grasp on what they're talking about.
What about Reverse Blue Fawn Brindle? What would that be?? I have a all blue with fawn/gold brindle stripes bully puppy... trying to figure out his genetic punnet square... he was the only brindle out of the litter of 7 of blue/fawns/and black pups
- You should have seen this dog I saw the other day! It was a liver and red tanpoint with this crazy creeping tan modifier and it had the cutest penciling! - Okaay..? Soo what breed was it? - uuuh...
Actually she is wrong! A kb solid black dog can have tan points . These dogs test out kb solid black. My feeling is that the ghost tanning that appears on a solid black dog , is cause by the at/at breaking through the kb allele.
My art teacher have a dog that got buy from online, he look like a husky but he have shaded sable color like that german Sherman dog but with white muzzle, chest and folded ear (and no the dog from My art teacher, is full grow adult dog which i say he probably a got some half and half breed mix)
OK so I’ve been having a debate here. I have an all white American bully who I had creatively groomed to look like a zebra. People insist that it’s a possibility. I am in my years of studying genetics believe that it is genetically impossible for the canine species that the solid white with black brindle. What’s your take on it?
True white? No. I would think the closest you could get is a brindle who has the intensity gene and are actually a creamy color with black brindling. That is the closest you can get to a "zebra" in dogs.
Not sure... I have 3 dogs 14:44 - caramel colored base with a dark caramel fade at the muzzle and a dark caramel nose, with cream fades at the dies of the neck and belly. But it's hard to spot, some people just look at it and say she's a single color. (female Russian toy terrier) - A brown base with black striped and a white triangle shape on their back, they fade out into grey or white the the muzzle, belly, and paws. (male English hound/wipid) - A cream buse with a diamond/rhombus star type of white spot on their neck(Kinda like the male English hound/wipid). Her paws and muzzle fade out into white and has a sharp but small white tail tip. (female English hound/wipid) Not really into dog genetics, just would love to educate myself since I love dogs
You might be better off just taking a bunch of photos of the dogs and sharing them, I'll admit I'm having a very hard time imagining because I use technical colors (like liver, Isabel, blue, sable, etc) while most people use light brown, tan, stripes, etc and it's easy to misinterpret that. I'm going to bed though so it would have to wait.
My dog is a female and looks to be Agouti with a pink nose a white mark down her neck to her chest and has white paws and what seems to be a white mask with pink claws and bright brown eyes what would her coat be defined as
@@bluecollarden a complete mix and the White markings have become more apparent as she has grown on her face she's only just started to turn 4 years old
@@tigerstarstorm9431 Hmm. With the pink nose it makes me think it's a liver or lilac color. You think there's a way to send a picture of your dog? Either linking it in a comment or putting it on Google+?
Allissa,I have a puppy American Bully that experts even have trouble with guessing the color and I think even you will have trouble. He is on my page if you wanna guess but good luck lol.
What a beautiful dog!!! My best guess in small technical terms is that he is a piebald agouti brindle with ticking. While that may be his "technical" colours, I definitely don't know what the exact term would be for his breed. I am unsure if ticking and brindle are common colours within the breed.
allissajoanne4 ticking and brindle is very common in this breed but what is not common is ticking all over the body like this. Mostly ticking is found on the chest and some on the legs. Brindle is very common. This puppy is also blue. His dad is blue brindle.And thank you for the compliment of my puppy. He is just a mellow greedy little dude lol. Did I say greedy lol.
I have always thought one of the parents had to visually express brindle to end up with brindle pups. I have a brindle that I am trying to decide if she would be considered wolf grey or what. Her grey nearly hides her brindle.
Theres a good chance the pups would be brindle too, but as for dark, that depends. Brindle is variable depending on parents. If you want dark brindle pups, the male should also be dark brindle just to guarantee that. If he was a sable, you'll still have some brindle pups, but they'll probably be lighter brindle.
I have a Blue Brindle Dog not a black brindle male. Can he, If mated with a “Lilac” female produce lilac pups or will the brindle be dominant in that case?
It's a bit hard to say. If he mated a lilac, firstly, it all depends on exactly their genes are. Your blue brindle is technically a black (since blue is a dilute of black) and "lilac" is technically liver (dilute of liver and also technically part of dominant black). If your dog is homozygous dominant, then all of the potential pups would be blue. If he was heterozgous, then there's a 50% chance half the pups would be blue and half the pups would be lilac. Brindle is a bit hard to say. Dominant black (which they would both have) is dominant over brindle, and brindle is dominant over non-black (the other colours like sable, tan point, red, masked, etc). But brindle is recessive to dominant black. It depends on what the genes for the lilac are. If she is a carrier of brindle, then there's a good chance half of the pups would be solid and half would be brindle.
The color called "lilac" is not just liver. It's what you get when a dog is homozygous liver AND homozygous blue (dilute) at the same time. (It's just another word for "isabella".) So a blue mated with a lilac can produce lilac puppies if the blue dog carries a liver allele in addition to his two his two dilute alleles. (Since lilac is a color, and brindle is a pattern, you can have lilac colored brindling.) Brindle isn't exactly dominant over the A-locus genes, since it doesn't cancel them out. A dog can be brindle on top of being sable, tan pointed, or having a mask. (In fact, for some reason brindle dogs without masks seem to be pretty rare). The typical brindle dog is sable, masked and brindle at the same time.
Sometimes I don't explain things very well, you probably said it better than I did. Yes, brindle is technically dominant over non black, but that also varies on what the A locus is. The A locus can be tan point or various sable, resulting in unique brindle patterns, or even recessive black, giving the appearance of an all black dog (very very rare though as recessive black shows up in specific breeds than others).
If the parents are not black and not brindle, then they cannot have a brindle pup. Both parents need to carry at least one brindle gene, they could appear black but could both carry the brindle gene, but as soon as they don't have black, they cannot have brindle pups. Even though the male has a black mask, that is due to a completely unrelated gene. If both parents are red/agouti, no brindle can happen. All that pups would be red/agouti.
My dog is black, all her family is black except for 1 grandmother, she is white. I'm really curious if my dog is a KK or Kk. Im also really curious (if she is Kk) could she have puppy's in a different color, like brown or red..? Who knows? :)
The only way you can truly find out without having to breed her is to do a genetic testing on her. Because she's black, she could be hiding a bunch of other genes, like brindle, tan point, masking, etc. A genetic testing could tell you everything she had so if you wanted to breed for something specific, you could find the right mate for her to increase your chances.
@@bluecollarden I do want to have puppy's with her when she is a little older. But I want to make sure that they are healthy and I want to find nice homes for them. I think my chances of finding nice people will be bigger if they are not all black. I love it, but it's not the most popular color. I might do a test to find out what's possible :) I still have a view years to think about it, she is only 1 year old now anyway.
Hi, I have a male bulldog. His papers say he is Black and White. But as he has got older, he has a little bit of brown stripes mixed in with his black. Mainly on his back. What color is he considered? Brindle? Or Black still? Also he is going to mate with a Red and white female bulldog. But she does have a black nose and brown eyes like him. What do think I would set the punnet square to, so we can find out what their litter color would be like?
He would be considered a black brindle. Sometimes it's hard to tell when they're young depending on the brindling. He would be a black brindle because there is such thing has liver brindle and blue brindle. As for predicting pups, it is a bit hard, as I don't know if his genes are homozygous or heterozygous. Do you happen to know what colour his parents were? That can give me a better prediction on the pups.
Dad was a tan and white and mom black and white. As far as the red female. Not sure. But I seen her brothers and sisters. There was 1 pup all white and rest were all red and white. Coats looks like a cow hide
@@sandlotsluggers773 Okay, so your dog is heterozygous. My prediction will be that there will be 50% black brindle and 50% red. As for white the white, it seems like they both have a higher white ratio. There's a possibility you could have at least one all white pup. All the pups will have some sort of white on them. Their noses should stay black and their eyes should stay red. The only way that could change is if they both carry a dilution gene, causing potential blue in the genetically black pups, but it's hard to say.
Without knowing the parents, I can only make a few guesses. Either all will be black brindle, or some will be black and blue brindle, or some will be more red and than black brindle. The only guarantee I have is all the pups will be brindle. As with white, I predict none to minimal white spotting on the pups.
What are the modifiers known for a suppressing pigment in Breeds like the Dogo Argentino, and the American Bulldog? My Dogo is E^m-e Kb-Ky D-d BB And “no call” for the typical A Locus alleles Chromosome 24 instead is showing a modifier of the A^t allele his Mutation is “NN” And would change the regular B&T coat to a saddle tan phase provide all the criteria lined up in previous Alleles. But my boy is solid white except for a black ear and nose.
Should be the S-Locus if you haven't found out by now. All white dogs or 80% and above are extreme pied dogs. You can tell the Dogo breed and perhaps the white Bull Terrier are extreme pied because some still get the small black markings on their heads.
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos they are really great!! I still have one question though lol. How would you write the punnett square for a tipped sable ( french bulldog) X a extreme white pied split face (french bulldog that has pink on face and nose)?
I'm confused why seal isn't simply sable or agouti? All dark or black Sable dogs are born with a black stripe down their back and they have black on their feet and legs. Is the only difference that steal dogs don't have the different bands of color on the rest of their body?
Unfortunately I don't know much about seals to answer that question. I haven't looked into seal since making the episode, so perhaps they've gotten closer to figuring it out.
@@bluecollarden gotcha no worries at all. I wish you would make more videos! They are so fun and educational. For both kids and adults! I'm an adult and love these videos.
Brindle is recessive to black, but it is dominant to non black (like sable, tan point, red, ect). But brindle can be affected by the agouti and extension loci, which are in the following episodes.
I see I got confused a year ago. There is technically brindle recessive black (Kbr and as), however I could imagine that would be incredibly rare and no one would know unless they did a genetic test. Without it, they'd probably just assumed it's a dominant black dog.
Hi Alissa, really informative videos! I was wondering I have think I have sable but she has a blue mask how is that possible according to your video they can’t have black and blue, but my girl most definitely has a blue face, a widows peak and sable on her those hairs are black? Am I missing something?
Sables can have blue masks, which means any hair that is supposed to be black are actually blue due to the dilution gene. Since her nose is blue, she's definitely a blue. It's not common, that's for sure and I have never seen one in person. I'm glad you gave me photos, I would have been a bit confused.
They have different chromosome pairs and genetic material that makes them too different from dogs. This is why they have their own coloring and that even trying to hybrid pair then wouldn't work, if genetic material is too distant, no offspring is possible. That is why wolf hybrids are possible but not Fox hybrids.
@@richardgrissom975 I don't think so, the red and white husky, if it's recessive red and not sable might possible have the genes because recessive red covers up any black they might have, but I highly doubt that would happen. But take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, I'm very sick today and I'm not thinking straight.
Ok these videoes are great but one thing is just gettong to me. The pronunciation. Homozygous and heterozygous are pronounced 'hom-o-zij-ous' and 'hetero-zij-ous an allele is pronounced 'uh-lell', sable is 'sah (like sat without the t) bl'. As a horse genetics maniac i thought dog genetics may be a little hard to understand but you explained it very well.
wolf&raven honestly I'm just repeating how my biology teacher pronounced the words, so maybe it's just a Canadian way of saying these things (that is assuming you're not Canadian). I found out from my American Friends that we Canadians pronounce a few things very differently. For example, roof is an oo sound, not an uh sound and semi is seh-me not seh-my. I'm also not the best talker out there. I was a delayed talker as a small child because I don't hear properly and needed therapy. Its not my greatest strength. Still can't properly hear myself.
What colors can you get if you breed a brindle dog to a black dog? And a brindle dog to a blue and white markings dog? Please would love to know your answer on this.
First question: It depends on the genetics of the black dog. if it is homozygous K, then all pups would be black, but be heterozygous for dominant black (K) and brindle (Kbr). But if the black dog is heterozygous (either KKbr or Kk), then approxmiately half of the pups would be brindle and half would be black. The red part of the brindle depends on the sabling of the brindle as well as the hidden genetics in the black dog. The black dog still has the genetics for agouti, but because it would be dominant black, that agouti gene is hidden. It also depends if the black dog and brindle dog both are carriers of liver, dilution, even recessive red, as that can affect outlooks. Second question: Again, it depends on the blue dog. Despite being diulted (dd), the blue dog is still all blue, meaning it has dominant black (K). So if it's homozygous K, all dogs would be black. Blue would only appear if the brindle was a carrier for dilution, then approximately half the pups would be blue and half the pups would be black. If the dominant black is heterozygous, then approximately half of the pups would be brindle and half of the pups would be dominant black. Again, only blue will show up if the brindle is a carrier for dilution. The white markings would appear depending on how much white there is. If there is only a little, there's a good chance that half of the pups won't have white markings and half would have small amounts. If the white is approximately half of the body, then there's a chance of some pups with no white spotting, some with a little white spotting and some with approximately half white spotting. Don't forget about the hidden agouti genes and if the dogs are also carriers for liver and recessive red.
Thank you for the answer i appreciate it, just wondering we had a litter last year with our light brindle male and blue and white female the litter had lot of dark brindle colored puppies and one solid black. If the same 2 dogs breed again would we have the exact same litter again or there is room for variations?
@@calvinmanish I would expect the same result. There could be surprises with recessive genes, but as far as I know, I would expect black brindle and solid black again.
Honestly, I don't think you'd have a lot of possibilities. There aren't a lot of recessive blacks because they're usually confused as dominant blacks or they're seen in specific breeds, like German shepherds. We have no idea if your seal dog is homozygous or heterozygous for dominant black, heck or even a carrier is recessive black, so until you know, you might not ever get a recessive black with your dog. You could get a mate that either a carrier or is recessive black, but if you're dog is homozygous or not a carrier, there's no way anyof the pups would be recessive black, they would only carry it. I do not support inbreeding of any kind, so I would not recommend breeding your dog with its child to get recessive black, that just causes a lot of issues down the road. If your dog is a carrier of recessive black, your best chance is to breed it with a recessive black dog, then you could get pups that area recessive black. But you'd need to get genetic tests for them, because there is hardly any way to tell if your pups are recessive black. The only way you could truly tell us if both parents were non-black and they suddenly had a black puppy. Since your dog is seal and not agouti/non-black, genetic testing is the only way to go and that can be very expensive. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a chance your dog could produce a recessive black. The only way you could consider it is if you get a genetic test done and it is a carrier for recessive black.
Unfortunately, when I made this, there was not much research on seals, so I cannot help you with that. I don't know if that research has changed or not since then. Sorry.
I have 2 dogs one is brindle with brown eyes and black nosie the other is white with mostly black brindle spots and brown eyes with black nosie there both sisters who are hound mixs (we dont know what there dad was there recuses) would they be in the K
DreamyNight Jamaa technically there is no "wolf grey" in cats. the only time red and black hair mixes in cats are when they are tortoiseshells/calicoes. cats have for types of tabby: ticked, mackerel (vertical stripes), spotted and classic (blotched). now torties and calicoes can also display tabby markings as well, which will be the closest to "wolf grey", but the hair itself will not be banded the same way as a dog/wolf. a cats hair would be it's original color (red, black, chocolate, blue, etc) and a lighter form of the color to produce it's tabby markings, while dogs will have black (or liver, blue and Isabella) and red banded together. agouti in cats and dogs are very different from each other.
My dog is black with brown eyes and a black nose, and she has white markings on her face, belly and paws. Idk why I decided to share that, maybe because you’re talking about dogs, but btw I love this series and I’m interested in learning about genetics in dogs so this is perfect!
I have 2 Border Collie x Black Labs, one is Black with white on his chest and the other is brown with white on her face, chest, legs, paws, and tail. Their mother is a black and white border collie, their father is a black lab. The brown dog was the only brown one out of 5 litters, why is she brown? What do their A and K loci look like?
The one dog is brown due to the liver gene, that's in the next episode. Both dogs would have a KK or Kk genotype, so it's hard to say what their A genotype would be as it is completely covered by the K gene. Liver is a recessive gene and it turns all black hair into a rich brown. Labs are a common breed for carrying liver (chocolate labs) and border collies can express liver quite easily too. But since it's a recessive gene, it needs both parents to carry the gene, and it will not show up in all the pups if both parents are black. Most likely, the other pups are also liver carriers, but there's a small percentage of them who are are dominant for no liver, so they would not pass it on to their pups.
Thank you so much for this video, now I understand a little bit more, but the colour genetics for dogs is still a mystery to me. I find it a lot easier for horses, haha! I have a female shorthair brindle dachshund. What are the different colours that I could breed with her?
Jessica Robinson dog genetics are very confusing. It took me almost 2 years to understand it in its (almost) entirety. Cats were a lot easier for me understand as there aren't as many "sections" to figure out dominance to. Dogs just have so many variance and genes can interact with other genes in so many ways.
so idk if this will be too hard for you to answer but.. let's say my black and tan chihuahua (has some white markings) had puppies with a brindle male (has some white marking) would some babies come out brindle? and could some come out completely different? because i know someone who bred her merle to a grey and white male and all babies came out beige
SockChanIsTrash my guess is that the tan patches on his body are sable. try to take a closer look at his fur too. if you can faintly see a tipped hair, then he's a tipped sable. if you cannot see it, he's most likely a clear sable. I don't think bulldogs have recessive red in their genes (will be talked about in a later episode) so I'm going to be safe and say he's sable.
I love your educational content but I can’t listen to the grating background music. Again, you are so knowledgeable and informative. Thank you. Closed Caption helps, with the sound turned off.
Lilac is in the next episode. However... I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tri. I know you mean tricolor... but that sounds like cat terms and dogs don't share a lot of cat terms. Do you mean black and tan with white markings? The basics of black and tan are explained in this episode, as well as liver (not chocolate, chocolate technically doesn't exist in the dog world) and tan, blue and tan and lilac and tan. White is its own episode which I'm working on as of right now. champagne is more a breed specific colour name.
Hello, I was looking at my dog and I thought for sure that she was a Tan Point, but I later found she had white pencilling instead of black. Is it possible for her still to be a Tan Point dog?
Hmm, finding tan hairs around the nose doesn't always indicate that they have some sable or brindle if she has no other red hairs on her body. My guess is it's just the thin, short hair close to the skin giving it a tan appearance, or perhaps those hairs are beginning to lose pigment and will eventually turn grey with age. But if you find more red hairs on her body, you could consider sable or brindle.
@@bluecollarden hi can you see her in my display pic she has no tan hairs near her nose more on the body and look like there coming from under the coat
I have a min pin that has the traditional tan spots. but also has white feet and a white muzzle and has a stripe of white on her face. What would that make her? Also hi Allissa been a while
