Doing this side mission with Jack in RDR1 shows you Dutch was right in the end... 

If westerns have taught me one thing, it's that if you challenge a man wearing a bandolier, you're gonna die.

The more I watch this, the more I become sure that Jack is John's son. My man is a fool. Holy shit man 3K likes?

Obviously Arthur wasn't a thing in 1 but i like how Jack is wearing a bit of both of John and Arthur's clothing

This mission suits Jack more than John. It’s easy for a 19 year old boy to be scammed as opposed to someone John’s age.

The thing about this side mission is that it’s likely that the women lied and scammed the player since you can start it as John and continue it as jack

So a home wrecker gets a boy to kill and rob a family man she set up for a steady income stream. What a mission rockstar.

the cop just bowed his hat to jack and wished him a good day after he watched jack gunned down Harold

$200 in 1914 is equivalent to around $6,000 today.

I am terribly saddened that we never got more of Adult Jack. He's a fascinating Character, both as High Honor (clinging onto the virtues imparted to him by John & Abigail despite the trauma he's suffered) and as Low Honor (Giving into his bitterness and relinquishing himself to rage). I always enjoyed how you get to see how his rather unique upbringing effected him, depending on his Honor Related dialogue. In addition to this, the only canonical mission we got as him, proves that Jack possesses a greater degree of tact and finesse, than his father did, meanwhile having inherited the bloody talents of John. A penchant for violence, combined with a keen intelligence, is an extraordinarily dangerous combo. John lacked forethought in some places, and often fell slave to impulsivity, for example. Jack shows almost no sign of such during Remember My Family. In fact that entire search for Ross goes smooth as silk, Jack not once having allowed the mask to slip, until he has his target stuck between himself and a river. There is also something to appreciate about him, as he is the only Protagonist we've played, aside from John in American Venom, who deliberately "Looked Back", despite the many, many repeated warnings against such. Had he never looked back, we would not have any closure regarding the overall Story. Plus, the other reason why I want to see more of him, is because they did great with the casting. The VA for Adult Jack is fantastic.

This side mission is one of those missions thats open to interpretation. Perhaps the young woman was lying or perhaps the widow was lying. It was stated that the widow knew about the pregnancy and kicked her out as soon as she started to show. Its very possible she seen the young woman at the funeral and she was crying and the widow decided to tell people she was laughing. If she showed up at the funeral and was infact crying, it would look bad. Either one of them could have been lying. Rockstar deliberately left it open to interpretation. They have done that a few times in recent Red Dead games.

OK, it’s been a while since I’ve played the first red dead redemption game, but I could’ve sworn when you are in a duel with people, you can simply shoot the gun out of their hand and let them run away and fear.

"The world is a sad and terrible place." Truer words never spoken. Even sadder still when people take advantage of kind-hearted people in such cruel ways in order to achieve their own ends. The world is cruel, that is true enough, but people can be even crueler still. May God bring his righteous judgment and wrath upon snakes like that.

If you murder in cold blood, and lose honor as Jack, he will proclaim "BLAME MY PARENTS!! ITS THEIR FAULT"...so no merit goes to this. Rockstar is basically saying that John and Abigail's efforts to raise Jack to be a better type of person than them....WAS A FAILURE. "He sure aint gonna grow up and be an outlaw..run with a gang....marry a working girl" etc..... they say before John is killed..after u have killed Dutch, and living as a rancher. This statement doesn't mean anything about Dutch being right LoL..its just a "cute" statement because of the ending of the story in game. Dutch was clearly wrong on most of the things he said and claimed. He was only right about their time having passed, that he cant fight his own nature and keep making excuses/justifying murder and robbery...and that the government will always find another monster...create crime...because they need it.

Should another Red Dead game ever be made, let us find Clara and laugh at her funeral.

"dutch was right" is a very bold and generic claim. He was wrong. And that ain't Dutch's words, he might've read it in some book, maybe even Evelyn Miller.

You know one thing I like about at least High Honor Arthur, John, and Jack, they seem to be respectful to both genders. With Dutch and Micah, they clearly wanted to use all women optional.

4:37 " Hello, ma'am. My condolences" that's wild💀

3:21 You should’ve accepted her offer. Lmao.

I like how jacks sitting on a fortune but can’t give the girl a good 5 bills. 😂

My older brother told me as a little kid never to play this side mission with Jack and now I know why. Calling it sad is an understatement

I fail to see how this specifically proves Dutch right at all since Jack was conned into doing what he did for the woman and not intentionally seeking to steal and get into a gunfight. That isn't displaying his "nature", Jack was simply a victim of circumstance.

Jack just doesn't know when to say no, doesn't he?

To be fair. All the irish dude had to do was simply ask what Jack was talking about and see this lady to confront her. I mean, Jack could've done the same thing, but the Irish guy had a bad temper

The worst part is that you can't disarm him. I do think it's funny that they immediately had a funeral. Usually the family would've waited a few weeks. And nowadays, it's almost always a month at the least.

jack with that zesty as walk

I just did this side mission and i never realized it was dutch was right

I don't think this proves Dutch right at all. Jack just got scammed. He thought he was helping somebody out.

I knew she didn't care about him not that I do but I knew she was hiding something

The way I like to play Red Dead, is by doing the side missions except for the last one as Arthur, then finish them off with John. And then leaving all side missions in RDR1 for Jack, since he didn't have as big of a role or post game as John did in RDr2.

So a man cheat on his wife, makes a new kid, gets caught & has to pay up or the woman he cheated with will starve.... ...you kill him, take his money & give it to the woman he cheated with, and then leave his original wife to share the same fate💀 Genius mission design, classic Rockstar W.

1:48 Uncle Scrooge?!

I think it’s funny that the adult version of Jack looks almost identical to Javier Escuella from the gang. 😂 bro went from pale to tan as can be and went and got a cut from Javier’s barber 😂

Damn! Even if it's been 14 years I still play RDR 1!

"Ricketts, eat your heart out" what a fantastic line

well damn, here it is 2024 and I saw a new RR1 scene!

"we can't fight change - we can't fight our own nature" - Dutch Van der Linde

It just all makes sense how we don't see jack become the successful man that John and Abigail thought he would be, even himself said that he would want to travel and be a lawyer in rdr2. We see the environment he grew up in and we see the people he was around even if there was more people who took care of him (Dutch's gang). More people had looked out for Jack than Arthur and John did growing up as mentioned in rdr2 but that still didn't stop him from becoming the notorious outlaw that Arthur and John had been. As well as how everything turned out for his parents. Everyone he loved around him died, his parents, Uncle Arthur, Uncle Hosea. It's not surprising he doesn't feel anything when it comes to killing. all of it was influenced by Dutch in the end for Jack's tragic fate. It's a very sad story when looked at closely but Rockstar is just such a good company at making the storyline for games and it shows the terrible reality of the wild west in the 1900's.

Now if only there were a game feature that allowed you to slow down time and draw your gun to paint "X's" on a characters body for missions like this. But I'm guessing R* made it so you can't harm her.

It's very open to interpretation, anyone there could be lying, either way the correct answer it's not to envolve yourself in others problems, it was best to help the girl find a job or even do some gig to help her, like we as a player do a lot of money just by fucking around and finding out, so the correct answer is to help but not envolve yourself with others people's drama

i though it was all about duch said, after i gone, theres another monster to justify their wages

Bro I didn’t even know you can play side missions as jack , replay eminent!

So the Blackwater PD were just okay with you gunning this guy down? Sweet!

Im actually playing this game, but I’m still with John marston, so I don’t know if I will play that mission with jack.

Wow, I never knew a 32 year old man can look like 50 😮

God I miss playing rdr1

Man, ur a genius. That mission with Dutch which you referred is called "And the truth will set you free". Now look at the epitath of Harolds grave 4:31 Amazing detail, Rockstar

Can't fight our own nature... dammit, Dutch...

I'm going to miss you Harold 🫡

In duals, you can disarm people if your aim is good enough. Don't remember if you couldn't do it in this side mission, but I bet it would be a bit interesting if you were able to spare him.

Has no one tried shooting the pistol out of his hand? Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I played, if you were able to get a blip on their gun, it's an automatic win because your bar instantly fills up, plus it adds to your honor level. Let's see how that unfolds

I've always liek to think that Jack in a combo of Arthur, John, and Dutch. Notice the bandana on his neck is similar to Dutch's, the tan jacket is similar to Arthur's, and of course John (his dad)'s hat.

Anakin also wore black

I don't understand what any of this has to do with Dutch

Hopefully in if there is ever an RDR3 we'll see more of what Jack becomes. Also this takes place in 1914 so maybe he runs off to fight in the first world war and comes home even more mentally scard.

Moral of the story, a wronged woman is a liar

Say hell no You let him hit it raw

I don't understand why everybody is so sure that Clara was lying. There is far more evidence that Harold and Elizabeth are lying. Starting with Elizabeth: -She calls Clara a "dock trollop," but also wounders why "a stranger," would be laughing at her husband's funeral. With no other information provided, this is already inconsistent. If Clara is indeed a stranger, how would Elizabeth know her to be a "dock trollop?" They know each other well enough for Elizabeth to impugn her character. -She also states that Clara was laughing at the funeral, but this contradicts what we see, and also doesn't make sense on its face. Once Clara is handed $200, which is enough money that she won't be missing a bill anytime soon, she has everything she needs to start raising her child, find a job, and probably find another man. At this point, she can just say "thank you," and hit the road. However, she still wants to know how Harold is, and is devastated to learn he is dead. She had no reason to lie to Jack; she could have said: "good riddance to the lying bastard," and left it at that. All of the information we have except Elizabeth's word suggests that Clara attended the funeral to weep, not to cry. Elizabeth most likely spread this lie since she felt disrespected by her husband's baby mama's attendance at his funeral. -Elizabeth makes no mention of Clara having worked for her family, but Clara's pregnancy and Harold's anger both suggest that she did work for them before they disacknowledged her Moving on to Harold: -Harold claims not to know Clara, but he escalates the situation when Jack mentions that he had an affair with a Clara who raised his children. If he were innocent, he could have doubled down on his story: "Friend, I don't know if you have the wrong guy are just need to lay off the sauce, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope the truth of whatever matter this is, but I do not know any Clara and I do not appreciate this kind of talk from a stranger." The most likely reason for Harold to resort to violence was because he wanted to silence Jack and cover his ass. Harold's behavior supports Clara's accounting of events, not Elizabeth's. -If Harold didn't get Clara pregnant, who did? If there is another baby daddy out there, why not send Jack after him? If Harold DID get Clara pregnant, but she was a prostitute and not his children's nanny, then Clara would not have lost her living situation, since she wouldn't have been living in Elizabeth's house when she started to show. Even if she was a prostitute who knew Harold as a customer, this doesn't explain Harold's denial, which matches Elizabeth's story. That Harold sticks to Elizabeth's story suggests they made a decision together to pretend they never knew Clara. -It's possible that Harold knew who Clara was, from their affair, but that Elizabeth did not know, which would track with her "bridge trollop," remark, as well as with Harold's willingness to use violence to silence Jack when confronted. However, if Elizabeth knew of Clara as a local prostitute, then she should have had a different reaction to seeing a visibly pregnant prostitute at her husband's funeral, laughing OR crying. Finally, Clara: -Clara gained nothing from attending Harold's funeral, any more so than from lying to Jack after Harold's death. She could have just said: "Aw man, I didn't mean for him to die, it sucks that my baby's father is dead. At least this $200 will ensure I can feed and shelter us both until I find another job, thank you so much for helping us stay off the street." -Clara's story is consistent all the way through. She was foolishly in love with an adulterous married man, and just wanted a few dollars to stay off the street, which would have been just a few percent of the $200 he died carrying. She was glad to get the money, but visibly bereft that Harold died in confrontation with Jack over it. Elizabeth and Harold made the decision to pretend they never knew her, and Elizabeth was enraged to see a pregnant Clara weeping at Harold's funeral. She told anybody who would listen that this "bridge trollop," was laughing disrespectfully at a "stranger's," funeral.

We need a red dead 3 about jack or make it about how Dutch formed the gang either would be absolutely amazing

Thought he was going to women of the night lol

I played this about a year after The seconds game came out and I realized that Jack is wearing Arthur’s jacket

Always save the side missions for jack just feels right to do it with him

I never knew this side quest existed lol I just killed the bastards that killed his dad and was satisfied with that I might get the remastered version and take a trip down memory lane

The music and overall look of RDR1 was so good. I loved RDR2, but I am nostalgically biased toward RDR1.

This mission always had me fucking LIVID. And you cant even kill her either.

I don’t think anyone disagrees Dutch wasn’t right ,he just didn’t trust his day ones leading to the whole gangs demise.

Ill never forgive people for shitting on Jack so much when rdr1 came out, i remember beating the game when i was younger and then losing my save so id specifically use the cheat code to play as him before the end!

Does Jack wear spurs? Just a random question?

After John’s ending I felt that Dutch was right. I beat rdr1 this week for the first time, and it blew me away. Was an emotional wreck for half a day lol. But after I put the game down I started thinking about some of the things Dutch said before he died. And he was right. He was right about how the government was going to turn on John. He was right about a lot in the end, it was good foreshadowing. Now playing rdr2 for the first time and I’m so glad I stopped to play the first one. Everything hits so much harder that way.

i cant be the only one that sees that jacket that Jack is wearing and think its Arthurs

The cutscenes for the side missions don't have any unique dialogue for Jack, they are always written as if you played as John (unless the game unlocks some side missions exclusively for Jack ofc), the same thing happens in the 2nd game.

Harold was an ass and challenged ME. I’m not sorry💀

Isnt he the same guy you fight in undead nightmare when he reanimated?

Brings back memories ❤

Harold has the same voice actor as Aiden in GTA 4

You should never interfere in couples fights, as when they end up making up and fixing things with eachother, YOU will end up looking like a fool intervening in business that aint yours.

You didn’t play the campaign the right way if you still had Strangers missions left still to be completed by the time you’re playing as Jack. Not to mention how I Know You completely disappears once you’re playing as Jack.

What if you shoot him in the hand or the gun? Can the mission be changed?

The saddest part about this video… is how far the writing quality of Rockstar games has fallen. Hopefully GTA6 proves me wrong, but I doubt it it’ll prolly be shit. But my god was RDR1 so beautifully written every damn sentence. And you can view the brief which showcases all recent subtitles in the pause menu.

They will find another monster

All of the strangers missions were kinda like this.. you can either help or ignore someone whos involved in something morally grey and konda messy and u either show them the "right way"/help them(increase honor) or u show them the wrong way/kill them (decrease honor). That applies to pretty.much every mission. Except here you just go thru the steps. Theres not much choice involved. Also i dont think "laughing at the funeral" means she was lying. If she was telling the truth, she wouldve likely hated the man and his family either way I like the game but i dont get the point we're trying to make. Who failed to fight their own nature in this video? What crimes did the government create to justify their wages? It kinda left open-ended to interpret if she was lying or not.. but i still fail to see the connection to anything dutch said. Sometimes ppl are just wicked, sometimes u can never know the truth. Thats a big jump to "you cant fight your own nature"

Honestly this tragedy wouldve been avoid if he didn't challenge the main character to a duel

Is Jack wearing Arthur‘s jacket? I know Arthur wasn’t probably a thing back then, but maybe this a connection they made in RDR2, by giving Arthur a similar or even the same jacket

Jack could’ve just paid her to avoid all this trouble lol

Am I the only one who completed the campaign and did all the strangers missions whenever they first came available as John? The only thing that’s left for Jack is the one last 3 part stranger mission. Ya’ll played the game the wrong way if you didn’t complete them when they first became available since they’re supposed to correlate with the general timeline of the storyline. You’re literally supposed to be left with nothing but 1 single mission that’s left when you play as Jack.

you can disarm him so it wil be diferent

I don't think this side mission vindicates or proves Dutch correct.

If they make another Red Dead, it has to be a prequel prequel. Letting you play as Dutch and the gang when they first started out?

But being a gunslinger isn't Jack's nature, he turns out one because that's the theme of RDR1, where the world is cynical and always ends in tragedy, something RDR2 missed. Every mission, side or main ends badly in this game, and Jack, a person with potential to be somenone in life, whom John tried to give a better life to, ends up just like his father because of the circumstances.

Is this mission only for jack, I don't remember this one, back then I didn't really like playing as jack but I wished I had to get revenge for pa

Ok but what happens if you didn't kill him or just shot the gun out of his hand ?

Yup this happens if you kill him

And why is this the mission that shows you that Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid? You can do this mission as John if you do it before John dies. The mission that ACTUALLY shows you Jack became what John Arthur and Abigail tried to avoid is the very last mission where Jack tracks down and murders the federal agent Edgar Ross who betrayed his dad and killed John anyways after he did what the Bureau made him do.

I kinda want to replay red dead redemption 1 now i didn’t work to good on my ps5 but i can still play on my Xbox through backwards compatibility

Well to the people saying John and Abigail failed to keep Jack out of the outlaw lifestyle. Thats pretty unfair considering Jack lost everything because of the government. Ofcourse he would want revenge, Ross was indeed a piece of trash criminal himself. Why should Jack swallow his pride and bend to the rules, they already ruined his life before he was even fully grown. He deserved to have a normal life at that ranch and they took that away from him. Canonically speaking, Jack did not become some outlaw. He was trying to do the right thing and he didn't join any gangs.

what if you shoot the gun out his hand?

Literally me.

I never do this whole side story as john anymore I always leave the widow part for jack... Think of it as sins of the father being visited upon the son. Heck I do it with all of the stories just to see the reactions.

On which console did you play the game? the resolution is great

I wish theee was dueling similar to this in rdr2. The dueling in that game sucks. And it never even tells you how to do it. I had to die in like 10 duels before I finally figured out how it all worked .

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