This is what should've happened. To the extent that voyager should have returned for one or two seasons of federation Dominion war crossover events fun. DS9 & VOYAGER crossovers would have been epic!
And if Wesley Crusher shows up? Janeway: Time to take out the garbage Wesley: I joined the Romulans against the useless federation Janeway: load quantum torpedo bays
Funny thing is that voyager wouldve lost to dominion ships due to the phased polaran energy weapons, DS9 dint develop the resistance to the polaran weapons until they captured a jem hadar attack ship later in the series. So voyager wouldve easily lost, like they would if they hadnt develop resistance to chrontin weapons. Also there was an episode where voyager encounter a species with polaran based weapons that they couldnt defend against.
Very true Lolaz webby Voyager wouldn't be ready to deal with the Dominion since this is a brand new encounter with no knowledge about them at the time.
It possible that this is set after Voyager encounter Polaran weapons and that the crew manage to find a way to defend against them or they manage to buy that knowledge of someone locally.
I mean yea a Galaxy class got wrecked by 3 dominion fighters (& destroyed by a suicide run), and the Defiant got wrecked by 3 and damaged so bad it couldn't defend itself & was then boarded and captured.... and both of those would wreck the Intrepid. & like you said, Federation shields initially couldn't block Dominion polaron weapons, & Voyager was lost before they encountered the Dominion.... so yea; Voyager wouldn't stand a chance. One minor correction: DS9 & the Federation stealing the Jem'Hadar fighter had nothing to do with the polaron weapon resistance, that occurred several seasons later; that had to do with the Breen energy dampening weapon (which they were installing on Jem'Hadar fighters). The Polaron resistance wasn't fully explained, other than the initial Dominion attack on DS9 where Weyoun was surprised that the shields were blocking their weapons, and Dukat remarking that the Federation scientists/engineers are good. Presumably, the sensor logs from the Defiant when it got captured, the runabouts during the Odyssey attack, and the Defiant observing the Romulan/Cardassian defeat were enough for the Federation's top people to figure out how to make their shields work against the weapons. Gonna be honest, this was pretty bad writing; as it should have been explained better. And it was the start of the ridiculous RPG/anime power creep that happened in the series; where the Dominion was initially shown to be far far ahead of the Federation technologically, but then rapidly became weaker and not as big of a threat; as the writers wrote themselves into corners and couldn't figure out how to get out of it. Similar to Stargate SG-1 where the Go'uld went from being unstoppable and easily able to conquer the planet, to literal jokes and cannon fodder to be ridiculed later in the series.
@@lamelama22 Thing about the dominion is they were dominators. They know nothing but war and ruling over people with weapons and fear. Federation is the complete opposite of that. Hence why they so easily fell to the borg initially. Same with the dominion. The Dominion stayed pretty strong until the end. At the final battle at cardassia.. the federation was about to retreat. Had it not been for the Cardassians rebellion against the Dominion they would of left the battle then and there due to lack of ships. On their own the dominon wreck the federation easily. Having Klingons, romulans, and cardasians pit against them even with the breen they wont stand a chance
Brilliant.... simply Brilliant !... a non treckie would've assumed this to be an original episode. The seamlessness ease at which U merged totally different scene from different episodes from two separate star trek shows was uncanny to say the least !
If I remember correctly from some of the Star Trek maps that came out around that time, it might have actually been shorter for Voyager to head for the Gamma Quadrant terminus of the Bajoran wormhole than head back to the Alpha Quadrant directly. Based on Stardates Janeway would have been aware of the Dominion and the possibility of a hostile environment but the boundaries of the Dominion proper didn't seem to encompass the Idran system. So it definitely would have been a possible alternative even if not a slam dunk better choice…
@@josephlatourette8329 They had. Voyager debuted during DS9's third season, and comparing Stardates Voyager was swept to the Delta Quadrant between episodes 6 & 7 of DS9's season 3.
I think if they had gone through the gamma quadrant they probably wouldn't have survived they had no idea about the Dominion at the time and they would have been in the heart of the Dominion going through the gamma quadrant
Tom Poston imagine if the show ended with them flying through the wormhole during ds9‘s 6th season and coming right through the opening of the wormhole in the alpha quadrant and flying right into the minefield 😬😬😬
This would have been a great Year of Hell. I do love the original story but having Voyager make it to the far side of the Gamma Quadrant and be fighting nonstop with the Dominion only to have to return to the Delta Quadrant to avoid complete annihilation would have been great. A tie in to the other Trek storyline and a tease at getting closer to home but having to be set back to avoid death
Just imagine if voyager had got home earlier. All that Borg tech they brought back and re-installed back onto the ship and replicated to be installed on other ships. Shame i couldn't work quick enough to get my own ideas up and running. A friend of mine and I came up with our own series that would start at the same time as the start of the Dominion war. The ship was an absolute beast. Similar in design to the defiant but the size of the enterprise. And heavily incorperated a lot of the Borg tech from Locutus's cube.
Very slick....and nicely done! What amazes me is the folks who come on here with sour grapes. Just applaud the effort, and if you don't like it, do something yourself instead of peeing in everyone else's cornflakes.......sheesh......
Oh, come on. They couldn't outrun the Jem'Hadar because the warp engines were offline, but could go "full speed ahead" with zero damage to Voyager once back in the Delta Quadrant. This type of nonsense was fairly consistent throughout the entire Star Trek series.
lol why the hell do people say that the Dominion was presented to be a greater threat than the Borg and they are how the hell do you assimilate a Changeling or a Jem hadar who is addicted to a drug you cant
@@RichardStrong86 right that worked well against 8472 yall just cant except the fact that dominion would fuck the Borg up fist off all the founders have to do is infect the mighty Borg with a pathogen the founders more than likely already know all about the Borg because the infiltrated the federation . yall need to get over the fact that the Borg are no longer powerful 8472 and the dominion where created to be a greater threat than the Borg and they are the Borg do adapt but they are not strategic
It is surprising they didn’t actually show Voyagers involvement in the war, because they were. We know this due to an overlooked reference from Sisko during the latter seasons, when he asks to contact “Admiral” Chakotay.
It's a bit confusing because Voyager was declared officially lost in 2371, and the Dominion War began two years later. Voyager was originally supposed to take about 70 light years to get back home. But because of lucky jumps they got, especially once Q got involved, they returned home roughly 7 years after they disappeared. If memory serves correctly, the Dominion War had either just ended or they were in the final stages. If they arrived before the war was over, then that would explain why Sisko mentioned an Admiral Chakotay. Either that, or the writers of Voyager completely forgot about that and there are two men in Star Fleet who share the same last name.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl No. The Dominion War was from 2373-2375. It only lasted 2 years. Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant in 2378. 3 full years after the war. Voyager had nothing to do with the war.
@@Vektab This should be correct, except in the two parter "Flesh and Blood" where the Hirogen need voyagers help after the Holograms become homicidal. There's a scene when the Doctor is on the Holograms ship and see's them all modelled after different races that Star Fleet has encountered over the years, one is clearly a Jem'Hadar. I'd be lying if that didn't raise some questions for me, regarding the timelines. On one hand you could dismiss it as nothing more than an easter egg of sorts, but on the other, you conclude that the hologram database was somehow updated from their communications with the Alpha Quadrant in which case, Voyager was at least aware of the Dominion War and the races involved.
@@Lava91point0 Certain episodes of Voyager happened DURING the Dominion War, yes. There are many references about the war in Voyager. Just like the scene relatively early on in the series between Chakotay and Belanna where she tried to hurt herself to feel alive because of the news she received that all of the Macquis had been killed by a new ally of the Cardassians (aka The Dominon). Or the episode "Message in a Bottle" (Season 4, Epi 14) where the Doctor meets the EMH of the Prometheus and he mentions the Dominion War and the Romulans. But that's NOT Voyager being involved "in the war", or having anything to do with it. That's simply showing you a consistent timeline. Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant during the entirety of the war. And the 3 years after it.
It would have been interesting to bring Voyager back to the Alpha Quadrant in the overlap between Season 7 of DS9 & Season 5 of VOY. A chance for the shows to do a crossover episode & then have Voyager deployed on special lone operations behind Dominion lines rather than with the 9th Fleet. The war covered from two perspectives. Later as VOY continued the show in the Alpha Quadrant their would have been scope for DS9 characters to appear & continue their story arcs.
Wouldn't Voyager's shields be ineffective against the Dominian weapons though? Coz Star Fleet took a hell of a wallop before they adapted for the new threat. Unless they communicated the changes to Voyager in the interim?
No, not at all. And in all fairness, we have not been shown any adaptations made by any of the Delta Quadrant forces to resist Dominion aggression...not even the Borg.
@@user-roninwolf1981 I've just recently finished watching Picard. I LOVED it, but I was hoping we would see how Starfleet incorporated the new tech that Voyager brought with her. Tbh, I was hoping we would learn whether Ben Sisco had returned from the Celestial Temple, how Odo was doing with the Founders and whether or not the Domion had just died out, without all the Founder's genetic manipulation. Also, just what state are the Borg in now, post Janeway? Are Species 8472 still a threat? It would've been cool to have all those histories fed into Picard's present.
Nah Voyager wouldn't have lived this they didn't have the knowledge. nore the technology update to deal with the Dominion weapons. They would have Destroyed Voyager easily.
@@triptrip8353 nope they wouldn't have survived it especially since at the time Voyager didnt get there upgrade to take Phased Polaron. There trek in the Gamma quadrant would be there doom.
@@lichslayer0045 Defiant was still able to take on and defeat Dominion vessels without a defence against phase polaron weaponry. The first time the Dominion knew the Federation had a defence against such weapons was when they attack DS9, up to that point the Defiant has been fighting the dominion without using such shields and winning.
@@DavidKnowles0 yes but there is one Disadvantage from the Crew of Voyager vs the Defiant. As the Defiant was at there space there ship yards to upgrade there ships. Voyager had Seven of Nine adding Borg knowledge and upgrades. To which say the time line was different if they didn't push in Delta they wouldn't have Met Nor had Seven of Nine. There for there left alone in the Gamma Quadrant where the Dominion lay Supreme. They literally wouldn't have anything much to help them upgrade or adapt fast enough. it took 1 encounter and that ended that Galaxy Class ship. Without the Kamikaze maneuver. As to add the Defiant is the most Agile with power over a Galaxy Class and Intrepid Class. as Voyager didn't have the speed nore the luck of allies in the Gamma Quadrant.
Cpt: Warp 3 Mr. Paris, get us out of here Mr. Mr. Paris: Warp engines are off line. The audience: of course the engines are off line, we knew that already, we can see the future, so predictable.
To bad they didn’t know where the bajoran wormhole was. Or was it blocked off at this time with the rereplicating minefield? Or closed off from the paw wrath situation at this time? I don’t think voyager even knew about anything at this time at all or the wormholes existence.
editing was on point kudos ... however as what alot have stated voyager actually left the alpha quadrant BEFORE the dominion war arc .... and unless seven pulled out a quick analysis with her drone brain of hers ... the USS voyager is scrap within minutes of their first engagement with the dominion .... if a galaxy class couldnt stand up to 3 jem haddar fighters what could an intrepid class do RIP USS Odessey .... we will never forget
Choped to hell i know all the episodes of Voyager these are from (not by name) but is an intriguing idea if Voyager went that way insted of the one thay went
Really wish the Intrepid Class would have been apart of the budget in the Dominion War on DS9. A few different Class types of Starship were M.I.A. & it bummed me out 2 be honest. The writing, build-up & climax of that War was worthy of being done BIGGER in theaters in my opinion. Combining Voyager, DS9 & The Defiant, Enterprise (Sovereign Class) and that Multi Vector Assault Mode Class Ship that split up into 3 separate ships during battle, definitely should have been a key player in that War. (Can't remember the Class name of that War Ship)
Borg technology helps with at least taking the punch. but from what I can read up the Borg hasn't had as much luck with the Dominion given there grand access to the Galaxy with there transwarp technology. Plus Voyager didnt have the update technology to deal with the Dominion phased Polaron. Voyager would have been torn to shreds. granted if they took the Gamma quadrant route instead it would have been a hit or miss to get home because they have no star charts of the Gamma quadrant at the time. They knew of a wormhole there. were its located is a shot in the vast dark. Plus with the Dominion ownes most of th Gamma quadrant Voyager wouldn't have lived the trek to finding the wormhole.
So a badly cut video of random audio and video from voyager and ds9 … next time at least try to select clips where janeway had the same haircut throughout
Total BS. Voyagers shields would be no use in fight with Dominion. They departed before dominion war and even before USS Odyssey. Their shields would be penetrated with phased polaron beams.
wrong they departed middle of season 3 of DS9 The Odyssey was destroyed the end of season 2 and Voyager and crew should have known about the Dominion well before the venture into the Badlands witch is crazy because when Voyager got letters from home they act like the Dominion was something new
Well they may have known about what's going on back at the Alpha quadrant with the Dominion. But Voyager didnt get the ship upgrades to withstand the Dominion Phased Polaron.. so on that account if Voyager did encounter the Dominion they wouldn't have lasted long since at the time the Federation shields didn't have a Defense against them. Lastly even if they did get there upgrades the lone Voyager didnt have a star chart of the Gamma quadrant to know were the wormhole was and the Gamma quadrant was mainly ruled by the Dominion. with no cloaking Voyager would have been destroyed just trying to find the hole.
@@lichslayer0045 huh man all i said was he was wrong about the departure of Voyager from DS9 you brought up all this irrelevant stuff the Odyssey was destroyed the end of season 2 of DS9 voyager departed DS9 in the middle of season 3
@@Kalenz1234 I really wanted to like the show. The premise was intriguing and I thought Kate Mulgrew had the bearing of a captain. But the show was too in-your-face PC, with the black Vulcan, the engineer who was half-Klingon, half-supermodel, and the doctor who was a little too human until they needed his special ability as a hologram. Then they brought in the shapely Jeri Ryan as an ex-borg crew member. I didn't mind that except her form-fitting outfit was a too distracting to take the show seriously. I imagine that the other female crew members were either offended or jealous.
Zimster2000 This is insane. One black crewman and the show is “too in-your-face” PC? Is TNG too PC because Geordi exists? In fact TOS must have been the most PC of all because Uhura was a black woman. And Star Trek has done the half-human-alien thing since TOS with Spock too. The Doctor was a missed opportunity, sure - but it has nothing to do with “PC Culture”. Seven of Nine being too sexualized would literally be anti-PC and you’re complaining about that too. The idea that the other women were jealous is just bizarre, what makes you think they were? You know, Captain Janeway is white - she’s just a woman. Is the only thing that counts as a non “in-your-face-PC” show to you one with a necessarily male white captain and no black crewmen or mixed officers? Because then no Star Trek show has ever not been “too PC”.
@@nicolasg7601 Geordi was human, Tuvok was not. If Vulcans have the same skin as humans, then evolutionarily-speaking all Vulcans would probably be dark-skinned. But Vulcans were never black on any other series until Tuvok came along. I would have accepted a black captain, hey, Sisko was great! And they should've had more crewmen of color.But they had one regular black guy and he has the be the "alien" one. Uhura was also human but that was the 60's. I recall Whoopi Goldberg talking about watching Star Trek ToS and Uhura was she first black woman Whoopi had seen on TV who wasn't a maid. And apparently Ms Nichols was going to quit but Rev. ML King convinced her to stay on. So Uhura was NOT P.C., she was a revolutionary. Wasn't the kiss between Uhura and Kirk the first inter-racial kiss on TV? "The idea that the other women were jealous is just bizarre, what makes you think they were?" You really don't know women, do you? You should listen to them when they think you're not listening. Women compare themselves to other women all the time.
@@Zimster2000 I haven't watched all of Voyager, but I never had the impression it was too pc. Some episodes sure pushed it pretty far but in total I think the show simply suffered from bad writing in general.
Joseph Schultz• They were in Dominion Territory which would make it the Gamma Quadrant, Voyager is lost in the Delta Quadrant and trying to get home which is the Alpha Quadrant, they found a wormhole that got them from Delta to Gamma Quadrant In a matter of hours which under the best circumstances is a 70 year trip, if you watch Deep Space 9 there is a wormhole that leads from Alpha to Gamma, so the relevance to this is they were 7-10 days from home without actually knowing it.
The only disappointment in this is that Voyager never got destroyed. It was the worst series until Enterprise NX01 came along. But Enterprise was allowed to be bad in my opinion as it's not meant to be better than the original series. But this new star trek discovery. It's not the star trek that I'm used to seeing. The acting is bad the uniform is bad the story script is bad. Well Picard is here in a few days hope the new series goes well,. And for 2 seasons minimum.
It is called fan fiction and make believe. Just roll with ;) "If Voyager had encountered the Jem Hadar" ;) Develop a little sense or fantasy. Don't be such a complainer.
@@faytneris Contrarian has the definition of: a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion, especially in stock exchange dealing. So it sounds redundant when you combind it with " The Lord of All Edginess"
