To be fair, so are gish, pisces iscariot, zero and maybe machina... but aside from those it's really hit or miss because it's more like "made for every individual to interpret" rather than "a genre"... that and made mostly for Billy and Billy's wishes and Billy's reasons, not the fans.
@@gworsham32290 I mean I'd say that, but I think Kurt, Chris, and Layne would all disagree lol. They made it for themselves but it "became" about the fans, where as Billy always kind of went his own way.
Machina is to Smashing Pumpkins as Hail to the Thief is to Radiohead for me. Both came after big departures, returning to their roots while also stil experimenting. Both albums are also too long :P
That's an insane run. To be that consistent from 1991-1998 is super impressive. I also feel the same way about how the Chili Peppers did Blood Sugar Sex Magik, One Hot Minute, Californication, By The Way and Stadium Arcadium
Yeah even without the 2nd part, going up to an artist and saying "Hey we like the most popular thing you did 30 years ago" IS nice but also kind of bittersweet to hear, because they're done so much work since then, and they're still an artist now, and quite a different one from 30 years ago. If you can also find a way to say something more general, or something about their current work, that can be nice to hear. Speaking from experience!
Mellon Collie and Adore were both amazing - Billy just continued to evolve his musical style and vision after those albums. I personally prefer the Early smashing pumpkins music, but honestly, a lot of that simply depends on what age you were growing up, when the various albums came out, and How deeply it affected You, at that time. All of Billy's music changed my life and connected with me on the deepest subatomic level, and i sincerely Thank him, and always will.
Adore sucks. It's literally the death of the real sound of the Pumpkins. For what? Some forced electronic angle? Why do that? It added nothing, but it was clear what's missing from that album, a sense of Pumkin Magic, it's literally bleached away by the new angle. That's what happens when you force an angle to sound fresh. It's FORCED, thus faux.
@@caiusmadison2996I think the lack of Pumpkin magic is what makes the record. It’s a great record of change and heartbreak, that encounters a large amount of different circumstances for a human to experience, at least especially when a human gets what they want and tragedy follows. The album lives for a reason, and the following recording exposes itself as a direct contrast to Adore, so I pray it is far better an experience for you than Adore.❤
You nailed it with the "age you were at the time" thing. I was fortunate to have been in my early teens when Gish came out. Was introduced to me at 12 or 13 years old and it only got better.
@@caiusmadison2996me not being a SP fan, I compared the older albums to the newer ones. They both sound great in their own way. Both have their share of filler songs and songs that were a hit. The only guess that I can give to you is that you are clinging to nostalgia. Billy is old as hell, he's not going back to the "og" pumpkins sound anytime soon
pumpkins music has a habit of reminding you of a particular point in life than feels more real than normal, and you never get that feeling back from when you first heard it. I'm just happy they keep making music, the new album is amazing.
Your thoughts on that are incredibly truthful. At some point in our lives, usually when younger, the music at That Time, affects You deeply. For me, that was Gish, Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie, and even particular songs like Drown, from the Singles soundtrack. I absolutely Love all of Billy's music, and it feels like it connects with my very Soul, on a subatomic level, but certain albums were There for me, when i went through so many hard changes and transitions in life, particularly as a teenager. And like you said, it brings back deep feelings and memories 🧡 Today is the greatest. Tomorrow will always be infinite sadness.
@@MistahMatzah No worries. I remember Lou Reed once saying something like "Man, don't ask me what you should listen to. Listen to whatever music YOU like." It's a big world and we're all adjusted to different wavelengths and frequencies and it would be pretty boring if everyone liked the same thing.
People always feel the need to talk about how they don’t like newer things. Some things in life don’t get better, you fr just have to enjoy what you had.
I love the Stones, Pink Floyd, The Dead, Allman Brothers and many bands that played a long time but every honest fan will tell you that the latter half of the career is always a creative wasteland even though the performance part is still impressive. The 2nd half of the rock band career relies a lot on nostalgia so it doesn't really matter that the creative part isn't there, as long as you play "the hit(s)" they'll sit thru the new stuff.
@@vladaI 100% read “the dead Allman brothers” and I was very concerned that either A. They were dead and still making music, or B. The two grouped up and made an album I missed 😂😂
@@vladai was at a Lordi Show last year and the singer said: „we will play some old sh*t you like and some new sh*t you don‘t like. And the new sh*t you don‘t like today will in 20 years be the old sh*t you want us to play and hate on the new sh*t we will have out then“ 😅
I actually had to cut contact with a few friends over this kind of thing. It got to the point where these people had gotten so stuck in the past and close minded I could predict how every conversation would go before even starting it off. You couldn't talk about movies, wrestling, comics, sports not even video games.
@@jamessunderland7435 omg, I feel you on that wrestling one. We live in a day and age where you can watch a wrestling program EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, and yet people will still complain about todays wrestling, and instead of trying to enjoy it they just watch rewinds of the Attitude Era
People want to critique more than they want to enjoy. It’s more difficult (more pure) to find joy in something than it is to find issues in something. It takes a lot to learn to just enjoy most things for what they are 🤷
criticism is aimed at the truth, but letting Billy know u don’t like it, pointless, what’s he going to say? he wrote a tune he wrote based on his own mission in music. I think it’s stupid to whine about people being straight up if you are going to luxuriate in praise, if u are going to be constantly promoting yourself. he may be an incredible guitarist & vocalist, makes no difference to me, because he seems like a snob, I don’t see music as a competition. When smashing pumpkins first came out, seemed like new new flower children, kids like everyone in the audience. Billy recorded a lot of the album because they preferred his ability. To me it’s not really a band. It’s a guy with people he lords over. No interest. ZERO is retarded, his motivation for shaving his head is also lame. it’s a fu. Well u look stoooopid.
@@sgt.lincolnosiris4111 still that opinion doesn't change anything. How many people you think told guns n Roses that they should do another album like appetite for destruction? Even if they have billions of dollars and the rest of their lives they still can't do another album like that, that's how impossible is it
People seemed to fall off the train after Mellon collie but I thought Adore and Machina 1+2 were all just masterpieces. Maybe it’s because I was a little younger than the Siamese people
This pretty much. Things I noticed about pumpkins fans across generations: 1) love whichever album they heard first 2) appreciate album(s) that came before it and 3) hate on albums that followed it. Remarkable.
At least he is self aware, his old stuff is amazing. I still listen up to this point. The NEW stuff not so much. Thank you Billy for being a part of my past.
yes , Siamese dream ," lifesaver " then i found pieces Iscariot and my life was beautiful and melancholy hit me very hard for a long time. what a journey, thank you !!
Bingo. It's so weird because everything they did from 91 to 97 was like a 10 out of 10 and steadily went downhill until they broke up. Luckily we can always go back and listen to the old stuff and it always makes me happy when I find something I hadn't heard from that era
The old stuff was just epic.. it was also made while you were young and young people feel and experience the world differently.. so we all miss that and the 90s sound also is nostalgic and brings back memories. Times change, musicians change, music changes.. and it's very hard to gain credibility when you "progress" since music is mostly about being genuine and often people just make it a profession. A job.. or art . I'd argue that music isn't primarily even art - it's portraying experiences and emotions in a credible original way. The experiences and feelings of older people usually tend to be less exciting and interesting.
I used to listen The Smashing Pumpkins a lot when I was young and din't listen them for many many years. I just listened "Disarm" last day and I totally got the goosebumps !! I still have "Gish", "Siamese Dream", "Pisces Iscariot", and "Machina" as CD's, I just lost "The Mellon Collies and The Infinite Sadness" and "Adore" during a period of my life while I wasn't at home and my family were cleaning my garage and I'm a little bit pist for this. Ok I could buy them again for cheap but it's not a matter of money but it's just a matter of sentimental value. Even if you lose interest in something for a while it doesn't mean it will be for ever...on the contrary some things belongs to us more than we think! The Smashing Pumpkins will be always part of my life and my childhood...they're probably the most nostalgic rock band to listen of all time (maybe that's why I din't listen them for many years because they make me very nostalgic), and one of the most influent of the 90's no doubt. Yeah those were Good Times ❤
Billy fwiw I thank God you’re still making music. I loved your early stuff too but that’s not who I am anymore so I don’t listen to it much. I listen to your newer stuff because it meets me where I am today. Your catalogue is gold because it grows and matures but also it slaps 😂
All these people bash the newer stuff, then a few years later they end up liking it as well. Just give it a chance I enjoy all of the smashing pumpkins from beginning to currently. Billy keep up the good work, I'll keep listening.
@@TheTillia Tonight, Tonight and 1979 are like the only two songs on that album that are pretty great. I don't hate the album but overall it's nothing special.
I like all the albums, tbh. It's good for a band to keep evolving and staying true to what they are. People aren't static, so art that encapsulates them also won't be static. If they still sang the same stuff they sang in their 20's, it wouldn't be the same as when they first sang it, because all the band members are at different stages of life now and have survived through various struggles, including with mental health, relationships, and all the things that can happen when rockers live for a long time. More artists should express their current truth, even as they age. Age, and the changing of emotions and experience, is natural.
@@NORWOODShadow what a majority of what people think. If the next person next to you on the train doesn't care what your opinion is likely neither does someone who's famous. Let's face it
Youve moved my soul, and I do kind of Worship you as a soloist. I actually believe in the top 20..Drown, (In its entirety ...Is so pleasant to my ears...It makes me cry. ..So...I admire your contribution to music ! These annoying fans may just be curious to why the "
That was funny. I love everything Billy and the crew have put out. Honestly, I didn't actually enjoy the Pumpkins until I was about 45 years old. I'm 50 now. I really didn't care for it when I was younger, but as an old guy, I'm really loving it.
Just appreciate all compliments. If all your work was the greatest, then there would be nothing considered the greatest! Without bad, there is no best.
I can't believe that I'm FINALLY going to see the Smashing Pumpkins play in less than a week! I'm so excited. I can't wait to hear all the songs I remember from my teen years in the 90's but also to be introduced to the newer music that I haven't kept up with....I went through a long phase of listening to nothing but NPR, CBC and BBC World Service. Bit of a news junkie. 😂
I really didn’t think I’d like Ava Adore or Machina when they came out, but they surprised me. Melancholy will always be my favorite, but Smashing Pumpkins never disappoints regardless. Also, I fangirled so hard over Billy Corgan during his Nosferatu Adore era lol. Omg he was so pretty ♥️
My favorite Smashing Pumpkins albums 1. Siamese Dream 2. Melancholy Infinite Sadness 3. Machina The Machines of God What I been wanting to hear is Oceana the whole album 💿
Mr. NWA Billy Corgan made me see Billy in a different light than when I tought of him only as this mega rock star bak in the late 90's. We get to see the person behind the rockstar and I love that.
funny thing.. i was just thinking about this exact thing today while i was listening to a gory moory may... its like if you say to an artist i really like the songs on this album.. the artist thinks screw that those are songs i did a long time ago.. but thats not the point.. the point is the composition of those songs.. the methods used.. the chord progressions.. the timbres and sound qualities.. the ideas.. the zeitgeist of that time.. With the bass, and the treble the horns and our vocals 'Cause every time I pop into the beat we get fresh
Billy corgan is a GENIUS... I CANT GET OVER HOW AMAZING HIS TECHNIQUE IS AT MAKING A HIT N MAKING SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ELSE CAN...I AM IN AWE OF HIM. .I HOPE HE LOVES HIS LIFE
Artists, typically, write their best stuff when going through times of turmoil and strife. It's a tale as old as time. That's not saying the Pumpkins' stuff after 1995 is bad, but it will never hold the same resonance as it did with the fans that "grew up" with Billy.
Unfortunetly it happens to every band with peoples tastes... the original albums are inspiring.. then they get big the money rolls in... someone leaves.. and 99% the time...the music changes...😊
If I were him I’d can’t to tell them, “I can’t do anything about that. I can’t turn back the clock and make the both us kids again. I wrote that when I was going through a difficult time, you listened to it when you were going through a difficult time and there was a connection. Neither of us really wants to go back there. We have to live our lives as they are now. The truth is that you and I have less in common now than we did then, and that’s ok.”
I just can’t imagine telling a musician, or any kind of celebrity I care about for that matter, that I didn’t like a part of their career or something like that. Like if I ran into one of them, I would thank them for bettering my life or praise them for accomplishing something so extraordinary. I wouldn’t tell them I could go without there 2010s 😅
The Problem is Siamese Dream and Infinite Sadness were so darn good that you can't come back from it. Anything after that will be mediocre happens to all successful bands. It breaks a lot of bands. Actually it did break them apart.
