Congratulations! It's not the same though. Heroin is a substance addiction, Steroids are more of a process addiction, if at all. People generally don't need to be reminded to get their regular fix of heroin, steroid users can easily forget one.
I can attest to this. I used to be a skinny kid in the 90s, when being skinny was NOT COOL, so I did (almost) everything I could to bulk up. Never took steroids because I wanted kids and didn't want to mess up my health. So at 16, I was 6', 155 lbs, could not get a date. At 18, I was 6'1", 165 lbs, had a somewhat challenging time getting girls. At 21, I was 6'2", 180 lbs, and yeah, had no problems whatsoever. Theeeennnnn I got big into powerlifting, got up to 220, and thank goodness my now wife is one of those muscle fetish girls, because I was back at very few dates. Except the one date that led to marriage. And kids! Because I didn't take steroids so my balls still work.
everyone i know have muscle fetish are gays, none of my girl, friends into muscle lmao, just lean. and my "the rock" simp friend (in other video comment), who think the girl in gym he likes, gonna like him and get super jack, too bad she just like HANDSOME face guy.
Did you work on your personality? I know plenty of girls who date skinny guys, I've even dated skinny guys I liked even tho typically I prefer an athletic body type. Just gotten likeable, sociable and loving. People train their daughters socially very well, but they don't do anything to make their sons well rounded individuals
6ft 2 220 isn't big. I'm 6ft 207 with 10% bodyfat. I got down to 8% for photos and was 189. I got a ton of comments on the supplement ad. I can get the same amount at 215 and 10% , but there's one caveat 80% are female, 20% are dudes. I guess dudes like a bit more size? 🤷
From the beginning of the video you can really feel Dr. Mike directly addressing this guy and others like him bc he actually cares and wants to help, no other motives.
dr mike just seems like a homie. he seems like the kinda guy that’s really believes all knowledge js powerful and there are no dumb questions and even though he jokes about being the worst, it really draws people in and makes them feel safe around him
As an big time introvert, I can 100% confirm that social confidence is trainable. I used to interact with maybe 1 or 2 people outside of my family a week, and those were usually my professors or coworkers for task-related purposes. It took about a year of forcing myself to talk to people and go to social events and gatherings, but I'm now much more social. I just started with giving small compliments to random people I came across. "Cool shirt!", "Nice ink. What went into that design?", "Nice hair!" I read a lot on the topics that interested me and worked on understanding others' arguments and opinions, and practiced asking questions that got others talking so I wouldn't have to. Several years in, people generally listen when I speak, notice when I enter a room, and usually respect my opinions and advice. It has been worth the effort.
Correcting my sense of fashion helped as well, but I admittedly recruited my mother and older sister, both of whom have much stronger fashion and color sense than myself, to help with that. Tees and cargo shorts became button-ups and fitted jeans, then blazers and slacks. Now, I usually wear earth tone slacks or dark jeans with button ups and a vest, plus leather shoes. I'm 5'9" and 165lb (probably 25% body fat) and bald to boot, but the confident and clean presentation helps a lot. I'm working on my fitness and have set several incremental, achievable goals for the next 3 to 5 years. My new fiancée is helping too and has even set goals for herself.
A should note that I am still more introverted than extroverted. I'm a lot more confident and capable in just any social setting than I ever was before, and I've grown to genuinely enjoy meeting and talking with new people, but I have a short "battery", so to speak. Crowds are a struggle as well, but I'm working on that. So long as I can take short breaks to be alone or mostly alone between events or during long events, I'm good to go.
Being introvert is an issue only at surface. Introverts can still make friends. I'm not specifically introverted as much as I have nothing to talk about. Even with the "friends" I have (I don't have any close friends), I barely say anything, and I'm not shy with them. I don't have any interests, don't care about anything, so there's literally nothing I can say to people.
@kristijan8518 That is a difficult situation to be in, for sure. I have a friend in a similar spot, I think. The trite advice is usually, "find something to get interested in," but it's never that simple. I wish I had something helpful to say, but I do not and I don't want to waste your time with trite parrotry.
Im watching half these videos just for Dr. Mike's angelic radio voice. I came here to optimize muscle growth but now it's just 50/50 like, "Dr. Mike, please tell me a story."
I don’t comment on much. But I just got stuck watching like 9 of your videos in a row. The way you talk with education and fact in such a real way and an entertaining way is literally perfect. Thank you.
I'm a man, married with children. Here is some advice. Don't look at women as a conquest, they are their own person with goals and dreams. Take a genuine interest in their lives. Don't get salty if you are rejected, it's part of life. Learn to treat all women as equals and your confidence and personality will soar.
Also most importantly, talk to women who seem like they're interested in talking to you. Read social cues and be aware of who enjoys your company and conversation, then you won't even need to deal with rejection much at all.
The best thing I’ve learned from these videos is that I can go off an insane left field tangent to my friends and reeeeel it all back in with an “in any case.” Smoothest transition from fact-nonsense- fact to ever exist. Pure gold.
So many "influencers" on gear these days and got everyone thinking all men should be built like Greek Gods.. even my wife is not immune to it.. before all these fitness influencers she was happy with how I look, now I need to go on a diet lmao
This reminds me of being a teenage girls in the 90s when super model thin was the ideal. I was convinced that no guy would ever be interested in me because no amount of dieting would make my butt go away. What we think the opposite sex finds attractive can be so way off. Apart from looks not mattering that much beyond a general fitness, very big guys make you remember all the horror stories you've heard about steroids causing aggressive behaviour which is a big deterrent.
Very different thing. There was never any evidence from real life that you have to be 90’s supermodel thin to get laid. There is a lot of evidence from real experience that a man’s physique does impact his ability to get laid.
Here is a tip to young people who are still in school to how to practice confidence = Talk in class, Ask stupid (not really stupid) but the questions everyone is afraid of asking, and engage with the teacher in class even if your questions sometimes are wrong a good teacher will make you come out of that conversation without "Losing". Because here's a tip my teacher told me "Everyone in that class is afraid of the exact same thing as you are". And that's when i started talking more in class and holy shit its like a confidence pill.. And people will talk to you more as you get more confident so use school as a practice tool. Because chances are that everyone in that class room is afraid of the exact same shit you are afraid of doing.
@@MikaMikaMika89 it's a facade though. You will still have the same insecurities underneath the illusion of confidence. And those will come out and absolutely ruin any chance at good relationships my dude. Trust me. Stay natty and work on your self esteem and you'll be golden.
I have the test of an 85 year old man (250) so get 100mg/week of it, makes not that much difference. Will never touch proper gear, my brother does it and he is constantly obsessing, upset when off, struggling with mood, absolutely not worth it unless it's literally your career imo.@@swaggareli
@@swaggareli thats so true. Getting rejected by asking people out literally did more to healing my insecurities than any lifting. Just realizing "holy shit im not gonna die, she isnt gonna take a mugshot of me and put me on her story".
Man hearing that a 175 pound weight at a decently lean BF at 6 foot ish is ideal for chicks really reminds me that my body dysmorphia is out of hand lol I’ve been feeling too skinny at a pretty lean 198 at 6’1. But im married so if im being completely honest im doing this for the dudes anyway.
I’m 6’ 205. Couple years back I went overboard with the cardio and got to 185. Pretty lean but I felt like a bitch. Only felt big if I wore a medium shirt
I am 6’2, 230lbs around 17%bf (natural) and I can confirm it’s not a look people generally like, the tree trunk legs just start to look ridiculous at some point
Really depends who you are attracted to and what else you have going on. I don't really understand why guys who lift would be attracted to the average woman anyway. If you look like brad pitt you can get away with that look. If you are 6 foot 1 and 205 lean, you are going to have a lot more options as a non rich, non handsome guy than if you are 175 -especially if along with your body you change the other things you can change: don't dress like a gym bro or jock, have a personality and style, social skills, etc. Espeically in east europe, asia, africa, the caribbean etc.
Understanding the concept of diminishing returns in general is so valuable. It applies to SOOO many aspects of life. People often get stuck in this mentality that if focusing on something improves your life, then focusing on it more continues to improve your life. Unfortunately this is RARELY the case, especially in health and quality of life. Going from severely or genuinely deficient in a vitamin to decent status can be lifechanging, but going from a mild deficiency or suboptimal status to fully optimal is rarely so beneficial. and going beyond that has no benefit until eventually (mostly with minerals or fat soluble vitamins) it can actually start to become damaging and lead to toxicity. Its the same thing with getting jacked. If you're really skinny and sedentary. Training regularly and putting on a decent amount of muscle is lifechanging, with immense benefit to your overall health, cognitive functioning, practical day-to-day strength, attractiveness, athleticism. But going from athletic/fit to jacked is probably just gonna have a moderate benefit in your overall quality of life. Jacked to absolutely stacked well, ehh.. at that point you're probably already seeing some negatives on some aspects of quality of life and generally not gonna see much benefit. There really is no point other than for your own enjoyment, sport, or your specific physical occupations. Some other things to think about when it comes to dating. Focus on mental health! I think often times so much of our poor social skills really are just a manifestation of anxieties, insecurities, shame, etc.. I think most people and younger people especially have quite poor mental health and just getting therapy, meditating, even practicing honest, vulnerable conversations with people you trust will have a MUCH bigger impact on your dating life than anything else. I've met many people that are awful at socializing or have had zero luck in dating (including myself lol) and rarely has it ever been due to a genuine lack of social skill and experience. Its almost always a lot of shame, social anxiety and sometimes a lot of childhood trauma there. if you already have decent mental health then focus on other aspects of the physical side too! And keep in mind diminishing returns. If your skin is awful and u have serious acne, then you'll see a huge benefit to just figuring that out and having decent skin quality. There's no need to try to have the glowing skin of a healthy baby lol. Same with being significantly overweight. Just be kinda lean at least. If you're extremely pale and never get any sun, get some sun. If you eat mostly ultra processed shit, try to shift to mostly nutrient dense whole foods e.g veg, fruit, meats, dairy, etc. You don't need the perfect hairstyle or beard, but if you have an absolutely horrendous haircut, then getting something that at least somewhat suits your face is gonnna make the biggest difference. Same with a disgusting, patchy overgrown curly neck beard. Having a super defined perfectly done short beard isn't really important, but just having something that somewhat suits your face. For most people just having anything from clean shaven to a heavy stubble with a clean neck area is gonna look pretty good for most people. Its generally much more valuable to not seriously neglect any one aspect of your life then to overly fixate on one thing and try to optimize that. At least when it comes to dating, socializing and overall quality of life.
I'm 30 and past all that getting laid part of my life, but this is the best "how to attract women" video on RU-vid. The most realistic, down to earth straight talk. Period. I wish this was posted a decade ago😅
I’m older and “that getting laid part” isn’t all about actually getting laid. It’s about being your best self (inside and aesthetically) for the woman you’re with at the moment. Females are extremely hypergamous. They want to be with the best male that all the women want. The biggest reason why they cheat on us, is they find someone “better” in their eyes. If you’re in a serious relationship, you need to remain the best she can get to keep her interested and loyal. Best of luck, stay on your game always.
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 good point of view, never gave that direction a go, but it seems to be true given the stuff I've gone through in my past :) Thanks!
@@BurgerKingRuefeno need to worry. Getting dates gets easier for a good few years to come brother. 30-45 is an ideal age for fishing in the "I need to start a family before I get too old" pool, a feeling almost all single women get after ~25 (and if they havnt got it by then, they're questionable relationship material imho). As a single fit adult man with his things in order you're starting to be a catch just because of that, and the competition is either taken or sagging.
I’m glad you posted this. One of my friends took steroids in college- he was already dating a beautiful lady, but became more aggressive with her in their relationship. She hated it, they broke up, and he became known as a mean guy. Made it harder to get another beautiful lady. He was better off staying in the gym without steroids. He was a nicer, more thoughtful guy before the steroids… but it seemed he wasn’t aware of how awesome a friend he was without the gear.
@@joeprimal2044 Bro most dudes off cycle are absolutely on edge and even on cycle your average joe running the average forum cycle is nowhere near as nice and thoughtful as they were before
@@dersuddeutschesumpf5444 Bro! Wait, I’m in California. Dude! Speaking from my own experience I’m much more pleasant to be around on than off. I have more patience with people by far. And that’s true of a lot of guys. Some of the nicest guys I’ve ever known have been on gear. It depends on what they’re taking and how well they’re controlling their estrogen and prolactin. Dbol for example will make most guys cheerful. That having been said, when guys start piling up the gear or take the wrong crap and don’t know what they’re doing, things can go sideways for sure. That I agree with. It’s the blanket statement that gear makes people hostile that I object to. 95% of gear related hostility is tren or halo in my experience. Have a good week.
I had to tell one of my friends to fuck off and come back when he was off the gear, because my fun-loving, nice buddy became a DICK and was impossible to be around.
I get irritable if I'm off the juice. Also at 62, if I sit down for 30mins my legs ache when I stand up. Also at the end of an 8hr day standing at work, my feet are killing me. If I'm on the juice I don't get that.
That point on local status is super underrated. I was the hottest dude at a meditation retreat because I just like staring at walls and watching paint dry/ didn’t socialize during talking breaks. Easiest numbers I’ve ever got
@@KNWBDY.important to be good at the game youre in. In the gym that might be being pretty jacked, in the club its usually being the best dancer, somewhere else it might be social skills, intellect, humor etc
can confirm, im a boxer at 155. im ripped and have above average hygiene and grooming care and ive never had problems pulling. just drink water and take care of yourselves.
Glad you're talking about this! I don't know any girl who would be physically into ifbb pro type of guys or that physique, u know. But all in all I do hope that no-one is working out for reasons like this but because they love what they do. There's a special person for everyone.
I never had any intentions of using steroids, but this video made me feel better about myself. I've started working out recently mainly for my physical health and longevity, but obviously I also want to look good to myself and girls because I'm like most guys in their 20s. This took a little psychological pressure off of the part of me that's doing it for the girls.
As a woman here, I have to say all of Dr Mike‘s advice is spot on. I would also like to add that a person who puts effort into their wellbeing, also thinking about old age, is very attractive. I think you are on the right path and hope you‘re still going, you got this!
@@sarapocorn Thank you, but currently I haven't been keeping up. The carnage being wrought upon the Palestinian men, women, and especially children in Gaza has put me in a very low place. I've never had something unrelated to me have such an effect, but it's impossible for me to not feel agony over the senseless and ongoing killing. My motivation is very low to do anything, but I will hopefully recover and start back on being my healthy self again.
If you train well and consistently, get proper rest recovery and nutrition, you can look very very good. The vast majority of women do NOT like to 'roided up guys with muscles on there muscles. A decent chest ( get to repping 225 bench and you will be there) shoulders to match and a flat stomach and that will be enough. Lean out a bit more for a shirtless summer and the ladies will gawk! Good Luck! - Cheers
@@SeanMendicino-n3d No, he's not. You were well below the average physique at 5 9 at 148 and probably not even that lean? You proved exactly his point by stating your very underwhelming stats. You got a bit more attention after attaining a physique obtainable naturally by the majority of people.
I found my peak at 5’6” was 160lbs. Completely shredded and I got attention everywhere I could take of my shirt, but I looked normal and went unnoticed literally everywhere else. Being in peak physique doesn’t fix height 😂 8 years later and I’m trying my damnedest to get down from 194 to that 160 sweet zone again. So many years of sedentary life was not good for the body composition
To the 'Conversational skills, you can practice conversation with your grandma': Yes, and please do it, it has two major benefits: 1. you are practicing and train your communication skills, even the part when you try to explain to her how something you like and she does not familiar with works (for example the gym. Your grandma probably was never been a gym). 2. she will be happy (very happy, I guarantee) because you are talking to her and making a conversation and stuff.
I am 5'6" 150 lbs lean, and I can confirm that this physique will get you a lot of female attention. Helped me meet the love of my life. Broad shoulders and juicy glutes are the key.
“If you’re a female watching this…” Me, a female watching this 😂 Frankly I want to give all these folks who feel that way a hug. The feeling of not being wanted or not being attractive because of your shape is pretty universal which sucks. Don’t do dangerous unhealthy shit just because folks don’t see you how you want to be seen.
Agree. He really did nail all the valid points for attractiveness. The top 3: confidence, conversational skills, and humor are a huge win every time. Yes, it can get you laid, but this strategy also can land you a girlfriend/wife too.
@@Sunwolfyost girls told me that bulky muscles turn them off.Since then,i got out of bulk and started 2000calory/day again instead of 3000.My face is getting slim and lost 3 pounds of muscle and fat.Will lose 2 pounds more weight and become lean.And girls will find it more attractive
It's nice you provide other options and paths in this vid Dr. Also big ups for clarifying that you being big isn't valuable to everyone either...as long as it means something to you do your thing - people will value and devalue what you got regardless so I say rock on find your people
I'm 6 feet tall /183cm but also about 200lbs / 90+kgs. Sporty guy since I was 10, but also had my "fatter time" around mid-20s. I have to admit I'm 35+ now and was thinking to take steroids in smaller than usual doses just to get more jacked. It's a mentality thing - your video was somewhat eye-opening for me, thank you for your time put into creating it. All time life natural - I don't plan to change it anymore.
Here's my personal take: When I first started my fitness journey, it was after a breakup and my main motivator was to get more attention from girls. Over the years I got jacked and lifted some pretty heavy weight, I'm 5'10 and was 230lb solid muscle. I got a few glances more so in admiration of my size and the weight I could lift, but nothing that genuinely showed attraction. After a couple of injuries and time away to think, I completely changed my training to where I had a new goal of getting as lean as possible with less focus on my numbers for lifts. I got down to 180lb lean 12%bf and while I lost a ton of muscle and mass, I honestly looked my absolute best. I got FAR more glances and attention from women both in and out of the gym compared to when I was a muscle train.
you're wrong here buddy. You said when you got down to 180 lbs you were at 12 percent bodyfat. So imagine just how fat you were at 230 lbs. You haven't seen no attraction from women not because you were strong and muscular but because you were too chubby. If you were 230 lbs at 12 percent bodyfat believe you me you would get way more attention from girls than 180 lbs at 12 percent. And maybe at your height you would be too muscular for most girls at that weight but you get the picture what I am saying. You were just one of those fat strong guys. Probably quite unhealthy.
@@Laimondasss well tbh he did say "after a couple injuries and time away" so those 50 pounds he lost might've been half fat half muscle, that would put him around 20% when he was 230 and as you can imagine 5'10 230lbs 20%bf is a beast physique no way thats chubby or unhealthy looking... anyway we both could be wrong tho so theres that also being 230 12% at that height would be almost impossible natty no?
I've written about this, surveyed thousands of women, and spoken with attractiveness researchers. You're totally correct about what most women prefer. I can add to it a bit, I think: 99.5% of the women we surveyed IN THE FITNESS INDUSTRY said they prefer dating natural guys. Even if a guy can't get optimally muscular naturally, steroids will probably still hurt their chances because of the negative stigma.
@@ryanlee6291 now was that the confidence, or the size afterall, cause it was probably more confidence than you might think, and that can be gained by 1000 other things than steroids. Also im happy for you, keep slaying king!
Mike you are THE man!!! I never thought that a jacked gym guy would give that high level of advice and with so much sense of humour. You totally nailed it dude
Good to know I spent literally the entirety of my 20's on training to look better only to find out that I achieved my most attractive physique when I was 19. I want a refund.
When I was aged 17-21 I had many options for "companionship" which can be attributed to my physique, primarily. What I found is that it actually isn't ideal to be seen as a sexual object (no matter how fun that may seem initially) and after some time you will yearn for a real connection with someone. That connection is so much more powerful than any attraction and will hold sway over you and your partner for considerably longer.
Only true for people with shit personalities. If you're hot with a bad personality. You're just hot. If you're hot with a good personality. You're a great guy who just happens to also be hot. Hotness doesn't take away from your personality. If you think your physique is a downside. It's actually just your personality.
As someone who was born with autism is essentially had to train myself to do socialising, I always struggled with talking to people, let alone women, however after some trial and error, a lot of reading, developing my social skills and myself as a person. Which included finding things I was passionate about and using that to find like minded people, but also exploring things like politics, history, technology etc to just be more interesting. I can confirm that it works, currently have an amazing GF, a great group of friends, we all train together, go out together etc. social confidence and competence is 100% trainable
Never got tested but looking back over my life in my mid twenties and coming across info online leads me to believe i likely am lol. Just moved to a bigger city and hope to start making sht work.
@@TheSuperappelflap being interested in people and liking people is the most important trait to being considered likeable and interesting by others, I hope you find a way
In my experience, when I get lean (and small), I get compliments from girls. When I get jacked, I get compliments from dudes. I am neither a steroid user or gay, but I mostly stay jacked because a) it is easier for me to maintain, b) I just like being strong.
It's not specifically the look of being "jacked" that the average woman is attracted to. A lady's subconscious sees a dedicated work ethic and goal setting that is attractive when choosing a male for a long term relationship. The healthy confidence gained, NOT EGO, is what will entice her to see what you have to offer. Most opportunities are either missed or made in under a minute. A gym is a place to do the job you came to do, to work, so when an opportunity actually arises at the gym, chances are the decision to accept your approach is made not by how you look, but by your ability to focus on the task at hand, and how you interact with others. Politeness, being respectful, ect. Anyone who "wants" you based on your awesome body alone, you don't want those women. Unless your a professional, steroids in essence are lies. No one appreciates being lied to.
It's lack how women like a man in uniform, it's not because they love the uniform, it's because it indicates you have a job and probably a few interesting stories.
this video is so silly! How much mike gets into some of the impressions and facts he throws at us is just pure gold! "what do you think of Connor he's kinda big but I like that" im dying lol!
42 y here. 5'7, around 160-170lbs. (prob 15-17% bodyfat) Got into lifiting and natty training around 5-6y ago. Got a good physic (naturally wide shoulders, modestly visible abs) and can tell i look a lot better in t-shirts etc. I'm rather shy (or was) and getting more fit did help with my confiance, esp as I know what I want to say - fitnes def helped with my shies. Gen notices I get a lot more attention from women that like healthy looking man, often my age, sometimes 15-10 younger (i don't look 40, prob early 30, don't smoke etc). I'm gen very friendly and chatty and a few times when I mentioned that I wish i could get a bit more buffed - different ladies said I looked "perfect". So this def checks out. This really helped me to be ok with my size, this video really reflects my journey.
YES! Never did PEDs but pounded hoouuurs in the gym getting darn near that ideal natty physique, and realized years later there were loads of cues and opportunities I totally missed when they came up because I had absolutely no social awareness or conversational skills.
I am a woman who has been considered desirable since adolescence, and yes, crazy big, tall guys were never appealing. Also, to all the shorter guys out there, I am 5’ 7” and my favorite height for guys is around my height: 5’ 6” to 5’ 9”. I realize this isn’t the norm for women to quote, but, hear me out: non-tall guys tend to be better proportioned and broad shouldered, and don’t have feminine-looking long limbs. Good proportions are infinitely more attractive than simple size or height, and shorter, stocky types scream “MALE” in the best way. And Dr. Mike is right: personality trumps ALL. In fact, a man who is in shape is attractive not necessarily because he looks good-it’s because being in shape means “I am responsible with my health and my life” which means “I will probably be responsible with your health and life, too”. The highest quality girls want reliability and responsibility from a man. Taking care of one’s body is a sign of that responsibility (and that he’s not a partier, because who can lift hungover?) If he looks good, that’s a bonus, not a prerequisite. ❤
I'm a woman and I agree with you. If I see a jacked guy, I appreciate that it took a lot of work to achieve the physique (which is a sign of work ethic so not completely useless), but I don't find him attractive and it's actually a deterrent. I might look, however, and so he may think that it's working. How he carries himself and treats others is much more important. Not looking sloppy is up there, too.
Well some of us were skinny af our whole lives, needed 2,5 years of hard training to look like avarage non gym goer and after 6 years we are still weaker than that "ideal"...
6'1 120lbs was my starting point (now 160), totally feel you on that "working out just to look like an average guy that doesn't even hit the gym" Finally hit 1 and half plates on bench, def poverty level strength (whatever progress is progress, considering I couldn't even bench the bar at first)....but hey I feel good and look good enough(IMO)
You’re not eating enough. You have to eat much more than you’re used to if you want to put size on. I had the opposite problem and had to eat less to start seeing results. We’re all gonna make it bros
Good advice. Good luck getting the young fellows to listen to it. I noticed that I attracted more attention when I was fat and muscular, than when I lost weight and was still muscular. Men really like to comment on my body though, so I have that going for me, which is nice...
I was a socially awkward, introverted computernerd in my puberty, but playing in a band, I slowly developed my social skills and got to talk to more people, in the band, to other people through the band, and people in the crowd that come to you. Through playing in the band, I went from the lowest status in the class, to middle class. All this interaction really improves your self esteem and social skills, even without doing the research. Social sets and reps help a ton. Add some research to that (conversational skills, body language, timing, logistics etc.) and you're off to a good start. Steroids aren't even in the story. If you're 5'5", you can take all the roids you want, but you'll still be 5'5". If you're not taller than a girl in high heels, generally (!) it's bad luck. That's life. It just means you have to work harder on all the other points Mike laid out perfectly. Status, social skills, clothing and grooming can still put you above that lucky 6' asshole ;)
Great points as always Dr Mike! I would add, most brands of clothing won't even fit even if someone is just decently jacked. If someone is "juiced to the gills" its almost impossible to find a good fit.
The ending got me bro…. Love you Mikey. The ability to teach and make us laugh is unmatched. You’d be a huge hit in our fire hall the guys would be rolling on the floor laughing 100. What a bro!!!! PS. Fire acting skills man
I love my "no bad reps" shirt. And I love Dr. Mike, of course. Also, legit, women I've been with (including the one I married) appreciated that I stay fit but didn't seem to care how big or lean I was.
Yeah it definitely depends. I’ve had exes in the past that could not stop talking about my physique and I’ve also had exes that maybe complimented it 3 times total. It really just depends on who you’re with.
99% of women just want to know their man is taking care of themselves and can provide/protect. Muscles are for the boys, funny how big men want to get just for other men. Kinda lowkey gay. And being cut is way more impressive to women than being big.
I took anabolics from 18-24 on and off. I’m 31 now, speaking strictly about this topic I felt like the byproduct of my improved physique was the illusion of confidence speaking to girls. I can say it definitely helped with getting my first and second GF but the cost was too great. I don’t regret the relationships but I do regret the gear. When your that age you’re beyond stupid, you think you’re invincible and if you aren’t trying to be an ifbb pro and you don’t have propped guidance either by a seasoned coach or doctor there’s literally no point, you will slow the progress you crave and potentially harm your health (I’m all for doing what you want also but intelligently, my favourite bodybuilders never used gear till late in life). If you are in your teens or 20’s reading this, I’m telling you the compound interest of taking the knowledge from this channel for ex, (diet, training, sleep etc) will make you look absolutely incredible. I wish this type of channel was around when I was young and would have been wise enough to absorb it. When you’re young(I realize 31 still young to a degree) you want everything immediately but if I could slap younger self and tell him anything I’d say the fastest way to where you want to be is the slowest. Compound interest of going about your gym life the proper way is king. Social media is clouding your brain. I’m ranting but damn I could go on and on about this topic hate how gear is so openly done by all these young influencers. Getting girls with gear is so stupid, focus on your goals and the women will notice.
Literally focused on goals through all my 20s women didn't notice. I have a PhD and an interesting career and deep six figure salary, and TBQH women care more about the shirtless pic in my tinder bio (though, charisma/game matter more than that, as Dr Mike says) Coming from the otherside, I kind of wish I did a cycle or two in my early twenties (more so for the confidence as you say, than anything else) so I could have taken advantage of my youth better. But then it might have fucked me up in the head, who knows
My boyfriend at uni was a colleague of mine who I've seen a few times around campus but never really paid attention to him until one day I saw him perform violin concerto with the local orchestra and since that day I was fully inlove with him. So yeah... I believe confidence, expertise in your field and general manly stuff like fix your car or know how to handle tools, is sufficient for most ladies
Well done and as usual, entertaining. I’ve never been interested in gear but listening to Dr Mike explain to people, how disconnected from reality they are, in that dry sarcastic manner, is a hoot. Thanks
An add to the list is to make yourself more interesting. It doesn't matter who you are, if you can carry a conversation and pepper in little tidbits about how interesting your life has been, people will want to listen. Travel, hobbies, adventures and crazy situations will go a long way in prolonging a conversation and possibly stumbling on something that the other person will like about you.
just found out about Mike and his channel and I've been watching his videos for a few days, this guy doesn't miss. Every experience I've had and belief I've held on the topic lifting, this guy breaks down so well and is knowledgeable on. GREAT VIDEOS!
I like that you address this young man’s question seriously, and with a great deal of kindness. However I suspect though that the claim it takes 5 years of training to reach approximate maximum level of attractiveness is excessive. In 2 years you can lose anywhere between 25lbs and 200 lbs. You can go from couch potato to marathon runner. You can become a well defined, strong, fit, athletically muscular person. And probably be very close to your maximum potential physical attractiveness. At first I was going to argue that one can become as fit as a professional or elite athlete in the 5 years. But I am not qualified to make the judgment. I’m not the sports scientist. It seems like an interesting question. Excluding bodybuilding and power-lifting type sports (because of their specialized nature), how many years of training does it take to be as fit as an elite or professional athlete. So we mean Olympic athletes like gymnast, swimmer, wrestler, track and field. or professional baseball, football, rugby, soccer, MMA or Boxer level of fitness. Adjusting for age and genetics of course. This is just fitness not the actual skills. And one might even ask if 1950 elite bodybuilder level (Steve Reeves) is reachable in that time with today improved training methods How long it does it take today to get to elite level fitness? Could it really be attainable in as little as 5 years?
Talk to 5 girls a day that you dont know. Don't even have to flirt with them and they don't even have to be attractive. It just gets you used to approaching strangers and realizing that there is literally nothing to be afraid of. This helped me out a lot in my early 20s.
When I got to my late 30's I thought about steroids and TRT but once I realized the negative side effects and the fact that you're basically going to have to stay on for life I decided not too. Instead I just focused on the natural things I can do to raise my T levels. I'm 57 now, have pretty much worked out my whole life so there is good muscle memory there I guess. I don't officially know what my T level is but I feel good, I paint houses by myself , all my "plumbing" is working fine so I guess it's good. Seeing young men in their 20's and even teens going on gear just to get gains makes me worried . They will likely never be the same .
@@adisc7475 yeah you're probably right. I've only been going to the gym consistently for 3 months so I'm not even close to reaching my natural potential yet
@@michaelscott5653 oh please man don't let what you see on RU-vid or social media make you believe you need hormone replacement at your age (or even ever?? -- unless something is like really wrong with your endocrine system??). Stay pure haha
Ultimately it comes down to looks. If you're attractive you can get broads any race no matter you're weight, height unless you're obese or very, very short.
I never took it, but my only interested in it is self manipulation into getting into shape. You know that thing about aiming at the moon? yeah, that. The mindset of exercising a 'regular amount' and just 'eating healthy' never sticks. I get bored, stop exercising and eating well. When I set overly ambitious goals, I might not always reach them but I get a lot more progress. I still don't think this is a good reason to take steroids, because 'being a bodybuilder' is still not a goal I would set for myself. It can be lower than that to see good results.
Mike, I really appreciate your honesty, 🤣 your humor makes me feel like I could take you seriously. I'm 5 ft 11 at 190 lb and just needed the message that I need to lose 15 lb. Way to do it in the entertaining way 👌 and to be serious about not needing steroids.
Agree with literally everything you've said. Being in shape and muscular is attractive. Being Mr Olympia only attracts women with a very specific fetish. Friend of mine is absolutely jacked, he doesn't take steroids but has been training all his life. The most common comment he tends to get from women is a smirk and "Compensating for something?"
This is what men need. Actual, actionable advice that acknowledges the reality that looks, money and status matter - but doesn't go down the us vs. them, incel black pill route.
He is so right. I'm a competitive bodybuilder and PT, and contrary to what people think, I like normal fit guys, you know, Non-bodybuilder guys. Although I WILL say - I'm a BIG big fan of butts on men. A well developed set of glutes on a guy says a LOT about how they perform, know what I mean? Big fan. Not too big, but relatively lean, and takes care of themselves - the bar isn't as high as a lot of guys think. The man I see now is normal-fit, and we talk about training a lot. No steroids for him, and thank god because his stamina and quick recovery are two of my favorite things about him!
Judging by your comment, you are looking for a superficial shallow relationship with guys that are good at pleasing you sexually. So, i guess it doesn't really matter what they look like to you? Also, good looks is important, and i think biologically, women might find a dude thats 175 and has a 6pack attractive, they aren't going to stay with a dude like that. I mean just evolutionary biology says that women tend to be attracted to bigger males, and that's due to the idea that a bigger man can not only provide (food and shelter) , but a bigger man can protect. So anyways, you do you, but your boy toy fetish of a dude thats 170 pounds and has pencil arms and no body hair sounds a lot like you just want a girl with a dick. edit: P.s. it could also be a form of control? Seeing as you stated youre a body builder, maybe you like to choose men that are significantly weaker than you so you can wield this sort of dominance over him?
This is spot on info. As a 5’7, 205lb ~15% bf guy that has been training for 12 years and did 2 small test and tbol cycles everything you say is true here. My lifts may be in the top 1% and regular people think I’m huge at this point, but I feel normal and would think I’m tiny if I drop to a more healthy weight for my height. If you’re doing it “for da gurlz” you’d be better off getting money and game
absolutely wrong. Money alone won't make you attractive. A good body is much more attractive to ladies than money. Believe you me. Any other reason women go crazy on those male strippers? And those guys are jacked and definitely not natural. Believe you me many girls will cheat on their rich out of shape man with a muscular guy
SIDE POINT: If you're bigger and stronger, and you're already over the "peak attractiveness size for women" then getting even bigger and stronger will most likely not deter girls if you're natural, and if that's the case, the confidence (atleast i, and possibly many other) men would gain from those gains, would more than make up for that, as confidence is key as we all know, ALSO what i noticed being a guy at 5'9 who went from 130 relatively lean to now 180+ with still to normal peoples eyes same lean body, i gained ALOT more compliments from guys, they will respect you more and will also assume you're pretty competent at atleast something based on your physique (ask you for help or tips) all of this accumulates to even MORE confidence about yourself going through your everyday life, which in turn will make you more attractive, afterall 1 part of confidence is competence.. But another is also postive feedback socially from other people around you. This is absolutely also factors, buffness will increase your confidence, and your placing in social hierarchy atleast with guys, which in turn will be a big + for your character when it comes to women. PS today i was told im a great worker at the gym, when i got out i walked across the street and a group of guys came up to me in my stringer, and all of them told me i look phenomenal, and everyone of them wanted to arm wrestle me at the park, so we did, think about these factors also, cause that is bound to be a big deal also which was not mentioned in this video. So go hit that iron, get as big as you can (naturally ffs) and reap the benefits of that masculine urge to feel like a strong hunk, and the social affirmation and status from guys will benefit you likewise!
The thing is, I think people can overestimate how much getting big will help with confidence. It can help if your confidence problems are mild. But if you really struggle with confidence, it's usually a much deeper issue than your physical appearance (which if you're young, healthy with good hygiene is not problematic to begin with). If due to a mental disorder, being on the spectrum, painful family history... by definition bigger pecs won't change that. In fact, your confidence and self-image problems will just transfer into a problematic relationship to fitness, being perennially insecure about not being "big enough". You'll just become obsessive about fitness the same way you used to be about video games and neglect to actually work on building your social confidence (conversation, approaching girls, losing the fear of being rejected...). That's really the only thing that'll help. Working out is primarily to protect your health, increase your athleticism. When it comes to social or sexual success, it's really more an adjunct : only helps if your work on the fundamentals.
Great for you speaking up on this. Personally I don't think it's ever a good idea to take steroids unless you have a medical condition. But great of you for speaking up to protect the youngsters of starting steroids for bad reasons.
Amazing public service you’ve just done here on the video. Now I can have a profound conversation on that topic with my son, nephew and any other person that wants to. Thanks very much!! Love this Channel
Living in Japan for half a decade (japanese grandparents, so i decided to move there). And what is considered "jacked" around here is sad. Like, depressingly sad...
I"m a girl who started fitness 5months ago so I know I'm not the target audience at all but had a great laugh from your impersonation of hot girls, so thanks haha ! It's actually very true that most women dislike super muscular men. I used to have a very low tolerance for what I considered "too muscular", which changed a bit by hitting the gym...
At first I thought that I would become desirable as well, but after seeing myself growing little by little, I kept coming into a Gym so I could get strong enough to validate myself, so I don't live following the attention of any random undeserved girl, now I can see myself to a mirror and look at the hard work of discipline and tears, that's a rebellious part that builds inside of me everyday I return although I don't want too. For me it's peaking. Also the diet burn out all my S-desire so I'm most likely becoming a monk...
Mike, this was your most thoughtful and helpful post ive seen. Im 5'10" 200lbs lean, but you hit it on the head as far as what men think they need to attract women. Most attractive women will specifically avoid men they consider are as attractive or more attractive than themselves. So to my brothers out there. Keep it slightly above average and youll do just fine 👍 oh, the most attractive attribute women go for is confidence.... NOT ARROGANCE
I literally didn't have friends my entire life and I was a maximum weirdo. Now I can talk to anyone. I am unphaswd by a beautiful woman where once upon a time if any girl talked to me unless she was hideous, I would have a panic attack and RUN AWAY. Yea thats how fucked up I was. Anyone can break out of that and become great at talking to people.
Currently am the previous version of you and I’m a good looking guy. 23 really need to get out of my shell and hit conversational skill PRs. This gave me hope!
@@JonathanRodzyou got this bro. I'm the same age. Except I'm ugly. 😅 Learning how to hold a conversation and getting people to talk about themselves is a superpower. Took me some time but it was well worth the effort. You can get both so you'll absolutely kill it.
Can confirm, as someone who has spent most of my life in Asia; people think if I get any bigger I'd be too big. Some already think I'm too big. I'm 5'6 and 69kg.
@@toolittlety Just a little heads up, but if you are dealing with body dysmorphia yourself, don't you think it's pretty counter-intuative to tell someone that they are "definitely not too big lol"?
As someone who's 6ft been a 4-pack lean 175lb, I can tell you it's easily the most I've had female interest. It you can get to a visible but not ripped set of abs, you're beating 99% of guys on a beach It sounds light, but being a lean 185lb guy at 6ft is pretty fucking jacked for normal people.
It's insanely hard for "average people" to get down to 10% bodyfat (or even 15% bodyfat). If you grabbed 100 men off the street, how many of them do you think are 15% bodyfat or less? The attractiveness comes from being lean, not necessarily from being muscular. Also, many women are grossed out by veins/vascularity so getting super lean can reduce your attractiveness to women.
He's not talking to average people though, he's talking to viewers of the RP channel. If you grabbed 100 people who watch science based bodybuilding videos on RU-vid how many of THEM do you think are 10 or 15% bodyfat?
@@Bleaksigilkeep You literally are an average man, going to the gym doesn’t change that lol. Unless you’re in the top 10% of male earners, you’re average by definition. Also, most of these channels viewers are not 12% body fat or lower. I’m willing to bet you are anywhere between 15% - 20%. 😂
no joke from my personal expereince, training naturally for 10 years reaching almost my genetic limit being pretty much consistent with gym with a 5 day split with really above genetics 5'11 180 pounds lean 10% body fat i honestly didn't get any near amount of the attention until I took steroids. after 2 years of blasting and cruising at age 29 im about 190 pounds 6-7% body fat and the entire gym is admiring and envious of me, dating life has completely changed to the better im banging the girls i want to be banging i never did it for the woman tho I did it to possible change my life and pursuit of a bodybuilding career but on the side steroids has changed my life and has given me even more confidence which I'm incredible grateful for because I'm an introverted person at heart.
