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Don't forget that Achilles can use his shield offensively... The red team was so stacked. If Chiron hadn't been on the black team, Achilles could have literally soloed them all...
@@YamiKaibaI'm not sure. A hypothetical FP Siegfried is pretty strong, what with the Armor of Fafnir pulling so much weight. Achilles is gonna be considerably faster, but he's not gonna be doing a ton of damage.
Let's also not forget that Lostbelt 5 revealed that Achilles wasn't even at full power in Apocrypha; he has a whole divine construct armor he wasn't summoned with.
Bruh what?? In lostbelt 5 he doesn't have his shield , AND ENTIRE REALITY marble CONTAINING AND ENTIRE WORLD capable of "almost" tanking karnas NP, and he was without that in lb5 , imo Achilles was more stronger in apocrypha than lb5
@@gilpendrago Okay AND? This does not change the fact he did not have a WHOLE divine construct in Apocrypha. I don't care which version is stronger; he's not at full power.
@@wrought-ironheroEMIYA red team had achilles which is enough to take on all of black. They had karna, semiramas and mordred who in comparison is the weakest of those previously mentioned. 3 high ranking demigods and high level half homunculus. Black had chiron, sigfried and Fran. Only one of which possess divinity. And its to a lower degree than the others. Plot armor out the wazoo. I'm not mentioning sig or astfo there way to weak
@@wrought-ironheroEMIYA only real heavy hitter is vlad. And that's because he's playing some yugioh shit. Using field magic cards to get a power boost. But I will say nosferatu vlad is strong
@@wrought-ironheroEMIYA one thing the vid didn't mention all of achilles weapons are divine weapons and armor are. Forged by hephestaus at achilles mothers request
Fun fact: Achilles and Sieg are the only characters who have killed two servants in apoc (Chiron & Atalanta double down but still a kill) for Achilles (Karna & shiro ) for sieg. Everyone else doubled down, killed them self’s or was the one that got killed
What about mordred? Didn’t she kill Fran and Semiramis? Or am I misremembering? Even if Fran kamikazed against Mordred I think that still counts as a kill because she survived, and otherwise had completely overpowered her.
Seriously, the red team was busted. If things hadn't gotten out of crontrol they would have won. Also, I think that Siegfried needs some respect. Man got shafted Apocrypha.
Unbalanced yes for the teams, I guess they thought having black faction with the home field advantage and vlad with his boost not to mention siegfried but.... ya with all of red factions demi humans it would of been a slaughter. If shiro didn't take the command spells from the masters of red, would they still have been able to use Karna and the others effectively? Since he uses a shit ton of mana for each attack right?
Makes sense that the scaling is uneven. Red faction had all the resources of the association to seek out the perfect relics to guarantee the summons went off perfectly. Meanwhile, Black was much more restricted in their ability to procur legendary relics. The only exception was Lancer, which I've always assumed was acquired before the family cut ties with the association, when it was easier to get them. But aside them that, and honestly probably Saber's as well, the black team just didn't have the resources to contend with Red. Literally, Rider, Lancer, or debatably Assassin (in Hanging Gardens) could solo the entire black team and there would be nothing they could do about it.
the grail and the creators legit nerfed him HARD his dragon core was degraded preventing him from spamming balmung like he usually would, they changed his story denying him a battle continuatuon skill, didnt give him instinct, eye of the mind skill or a detection skill as he detected an invisible dwarf and overpowered him with a cloak that gives you the strength of 12 men or a dragon kind modification like sigurd its like they hurled a few skills at him and called it a day
Bro im loving these "Dont sleep on x" videos, they are so informative and amazing, I would really appreciate it if you can do this with practically every servant since you make this shit funny and amazing. It's awesome. Can you perhaps do Arjuna or Kintoki or Gawain next?
It is a shame we have never seen a proper LANCER Achilles, as even with him being a rider, he is still a Lancer that puts many of the class to shame. Though it would be his slowest form from not having the chariot it would bring out every other skill he has that wasn't already pushed to it's limit like the Divinity requirement to hurt him without striking his heel.
lemme just remind everyone that this mans took an entire army during the trojan war and if we apply fate into that, the trojan war happened during the age of gods, which means that said army probably had access to age of gods - level magecraft and armaments so him single handedly wrecking said army is made even more ridiculous
I also just want to point out that Achilles was stated multiple times to be Karnas equal by both amakusa and Jeanne two rulers who can see just how powerful or skilled a servant is just by looking at them. If they ever did fight it wouldn't be a stomp in any way. It would have been the best fight in apocrypha hands down imo.
Karna has better attacks and more fire power, and Achilles has better adaptability , utility skills and in close combat if we go by the myth/poem/legend he's proabably top 3 (and can very well be top 1, 2 or 3) his reflexed on whole different level.
Achilles biggest downside is how willing he is to fight evenly if a fight isn't fun he will make it fun for himself. Much like Gilgamesh, Achilles weakness isn't his own limit it's how personality
Would love a don't SLEEP on MEDEA, because she gets shafted in Stay/Night due to the ridiculous servants in that war so people think she's weak, but she's really strong
Achilles is like "the guy" because of whom the whole calling servants by their class name shtick was invented, like you saw Artoria's sword oh no anyway, you get to know Achilles' name and suddenly you might not even die.
Straight up, when i saw Achilles and Karna on the same team in Apocrypha first thought was to pause and think "how is it fair that this side has 2 literal 1 man War servants? and both high divinities at that?"
The guy who’s Noble phantasm is literally “Fuck this over the top crazy gravity defying, space rendering, laser beam finishing moves, let’s just throw hands” yeah nobody is sleeping on him.
how about don't sleep on Rama!? most people don't know how nerfed he is. He force summons himself as a saber weakening himself just so he could get a chance to have his wife come in as an archer (the only class she can be i think). His blessed martial artist, a skill that marks his mastery over all weapons lets him use his spear and bow that are almost as strong as noble phantasms even as a saber! Rama has his personal armory of DIVINE weapons that he can summon, the profile hints that they are used to fight both gods and demons, it might mean that some have anti-divine/demonic traits too, one of these weapons....is actually Trisula! Shiva's trident (that's an EX noble phantasm btw) ! This guy can just use Shiva's trident on a whim and unlike Parvati that borrows it, he can actually use it effectively in a fight. Now My boy Rama gets downplayed over and over again, essential since his arrival in fgo during the America chapter because he got bodied by Cu alter. Now here's the thing, if you read about how gae bolg actually works, ITS IMPOSSIBLE THAT HE SURVIVED IT, the spear should have not only destroying his heart, stopped the healing with the death curse but also spread spines all over his body...yet Rama, the absolute giga chad decided to live through sheer willpower despite not even having any sort of battle continuation as a skill! Second time he appeared was in LB4 and got severely outshone by both Karna, Ashwatthama and Godjuna, he was pretty much a plot device. We never even get to see him be cool, not only could this guy beat most servants in a straight fight , even those with special combat skills, but with his armory and martial arts skill he can do an archer's/lancer's job BETTER than most of them even as a saber! Now put all that behind his frankly monstrous stat-line and you've got a menace to any holy grail war! You're not beating this guy unless you're top of the top! And even then, unless you're gil its gonna be the toughest fight of your life! That being said even gil wouldn't be able to mess around too long with this guy. What? You think gil will have the luxury to take it easy on a guy firing thermal nuclear bombs, cruise missile arrows, death chakrams and masterfully swingin' at him with A+ agility on top of that? You dreamin', dreamin'. Heracles? Rama can handily kill him 12 times no prob, not only does he have the skills (having mastered every martial art), the weapons but also the stats to go toe to toe with him berserker or archer form. Achilles? Rama's divinity is A rank, coupled with his divine constructs and we can add rama to the list of people achilles will never want to fight again. Knights of the round? Don't play with my boy! You know Rama's gonna send em back to king arthur in pieces and demanding recompense for his time wasted! Theres a reason rama only shows up when the odds are really stacked against the master, because this dude is solid. He does not back down even when played by the gae bolg's curse, a level headed pragmatist that will exploit any weakness, be they physical or psycological, a true anchor to the team yet he stays charming and funny. If they sent this guy against anything other than an opponent vastly stronger than him, people would say he's too op. Then we've got karna saying Rama might be stronger. based on that statement alone and the fact that karna is really not the type to overhype stuff, lie or have a biaised point of view, i can only come to the conclusion that there's something in rama we've not seen yet, maybe his archer version is monstrous! He's the human reincarnation of a god born to kill the demon king Ravana who could not be harmed in any way by either gods or demons
Achilies is my boi and hes my servant when it comes to being there. Plus I love his dubbed voice so much. I feel like he could go toe to toe with the likes of Gilgamesh because yeah with all of that going for him why the hell not?
@@TheLonelyLurker1995 well the problem with superman fights is that he's written to actually be indestructible. Achilles wasn't, he's just extremely good. I think he could still just bring achilles into space and kill him like most people. Ridiculous circumstance I know but yeah.
@@TheLonelyLurker1995 I would like to think achilles could manage it if he had some kryptonite infused armor. Then he could get around most of the non sense
Yo ngl Achilles was the mvp of the war man 1v1ed his teacher and still managed to take down Atalante and have his shield save sieg man turned the war around and proved himself to his teacher all in one go the man is goated
@@fatemadman9688 Yeah honestly lol. He only gets stomped when going against characters who usually stomp (which is rare). What makes Archer so powerful isn't necessarily OPness, but moreso his experience and smarts. He's powerful but not the best of the best imo
Is ashame that we never got him against Karna that would of slapped. Plus the plot armor wouldn't of been a thing. But Achilles vs Beserker Class Cu chulainn would be sick.
I still can't believe how nerfed he always is either by plot or he nerf himself (because his personality is supposed to be like that) in apocrypha he doesn't use his chariot and his shield vs frank and sieg, vs Chiron he never uses his shield, not to mention he wasn't neither summoned with his divine armor and he's never summoned as Lancer either (do u even imagine what kind of powerfull np he'd have with a spear) which should be his best class, in LB5 man to me they treated him like shite almost the whole history, always way too humble, and understimating himself plus when we find him he doesn't have any divinity anymore, he does have his divine armor but guess what he gives it away so it can be reforged into an arrow for Orion , he wasn't summoned with his shield in this one which is another nerf. Ah and let's not forget in every story he is involved they always bring that guy who's pretty much his counter by now (Chiron) who pretty much knows everything about Achilles and how to fight him, when he fights Atalanta we see pretty much how he owns her even without his divinity and inmortality. Man in LB5 I wish Achilles had been the one who takes out Odysseus before dying to Chiron, because what they did to my man Odysseus and the Charlotte thing was just awful and having Achilles killing Odysseus since they were comrades in arms , almost friends (and probably Odysseus the only king Achilles respected) would have been more poetic. A Hero of the Caliber of Achilles, that man who's Alexander the great's hero was there just to hold Chiron back and to give Orion his armor... Hope some day we get to see Achilles at full power, with his divinity intact, divine armor, shield , spear and of course summoned as a Lancer displaying what he is capable of at his full extent.
Thank you for the fate videos. I'm a new subscriber. I feel like I'm the only in my group who loves this series of anime. Love the swag describing the feats of the characters. Keep going bro.
Greek Holy Grail Wars are insane. Before they even started Masters would fight over catalysts for Heracles. Then he was "banned" and mfs started fighting over Achilles catalysts. This did not happen even in Indian wars.
@@Hg-ns1qq He wasn't banned because he was unfairly strong but because the fight for who would summon him ended but being the real war. And he is unfairly strong even outside greece especially as NOT a Berserker so a fame boost from Greece would just make enemy Servants and Masters rage quit.
I'd like to see a don't sleep on the rest of the big 4 cheat characters as described by nasu (gilgamesh, tamamo, BB and arcrueid). It's not about being strong, it's about being complete bullshit.
If the Holy Grail went as planned and there were no shenanigans, Red team would have demolished Black team. It would have been cool to watch but Red team just has too many OP servants. Karna alone would be enough, but with Achilles and Semi-ramis? They could fight an army of servants with the only trouble being Chirion and maybe Siegfried due to his skin.
Movie live action Achilles alone is terrifying in his prime… Anime version of him- NAHHHH HIS HISTORY AND ADAPTATION IS NO QUESTION OR THOUGHT, I NEED HIM ON MY SIDE IN SCHOOL-
So I have Fate/GO and I originally (and still do) wanted Ozymandias because his attack is just plain cool, and I got Achilles on both of Ozy’s banners. I was so upset I just left it be and not play it again. I returned back about several months ago and it was after I took a servant quiz and got Achilles as a good match for me (which is weird cause I’m the polar opposite of him oh well) and so I upgraded his Nobel phantasm as well as his skills and as of now, he has the biggest DMG rn next to Scáthach. So yeah. Even if I didn’t get what I wanted, Achilles was around the corner which makes me happy now. Idk what I would do without this Rider.
They can solo even if he’s there black faction on paper had 0 ways of winning even with sieg there the only reason things went the way they did was more on The black faction getting Jeanne in their side and just the whole war going to shit
@@alispeed5095 this is a really hard question to answer due to it boiling down to semantics and technicality. As For Tiamat being the mother of humanity I don’t think she is; she was put to use as a breeding ground to produce life, but once the earth’s environment stabilized and after the ecosystems were established, she was banished to the World of Imaginary Numbers or the World on the Reverse Side So without Tiamat humans wouldn’t exist but she did not create them. She birthed the Mesopotamian gods