Don't Waste Your Money On A F450! What Truck Is Best For Pulling An RV! Fulltime RV Living!

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In this video, we have a special guest appearance from "The Ford F450" as we tackle the often-debated question in the RV world of, "Do I need a F450 or F350 to pull my RV?" We compare all the stats of the F450 and the F350 and discuss all of the similarities and differences between the two trucks! We have a turning radius shoot-out and find out if the F450 really turns as good as we have all heard! We do some unloaded driving to compare the ride and comfort of both trucks before heading to the RV park to hook up our Grand Design 397TH Momentum Toyhauler to do some real-world towing tests! Before we see which truck tows better, we load the RV down to as close to max capacity as possible before heading to the scales see what the true weight numbers are! We then tow the RV with both trucks and compare notes to see which one does the better job! We finish up by heading back to the RV park to have a parking contest with both rigs to see how the turning radius affects maneuverability! The video wraps up with some closing thoughts on our opinions and you'll want to stick around for a surprise visitor at the end of the video!
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@BigTruckBigRV Год назад

Great and informative video!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thanks for watching JD. That means a lot coming from you!

@BigTruckBigRV Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths no problem! Tons of great data and real world comparisons here. Outstanding work! I might link it in a video.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Feel free to use it how you want! After all the comments I have received I was wondering how long until you found the video! Glad you liked it!

@BigTruckBigRV Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths actually noticed it several days ago but didn't check it out until today.

@BigTruckBigRV Год назад

Made a video and mentioned this one with a link to your channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tGa3PabT7WM.html

@ZeebNinja Год назад

I don't know much about trucks but I do know that you put in an enormous amount of time for this video. Great job.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! This was the most time-consuming video I have made yet! The planning took a few days! Almost 12 hours of filming, and over a week of editing! It was fun but a lot of work to put videos like this together!

@hudsonblough3849 Год назад

Thanks for the video! I own both an F350 and a 2022 F450. I definitely agree on the ride comments. My comparison is between a 22 F450 and 20 F350 dually. You talked a lot about the weights of the trucks but more simply, the difference between the pay load is only because the F450 is heavier due to the wide track steering components, heavier wheels/tires, brakes and rear end differential. In other words, since the mfg keeps both trucks at a 14K GVW, the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the GVW. I would argue that if the mfg did not de-rate both trucks, the F450 would hands down have a higher payload mainly because of the much bigger brakes that can stop a heavier payload. “Handling a bigger weight” should also include brake capacity, tire weight capacity and ability to accelerate which you did not discuss. You can’t put a price on safety and while you touched on a lot of good points, the extra braking power, tire weight capacity and the pulling power of the bigger/heavier 4.30 rear end of the F450 was not really considered in “which can handle more weight” in the video (big omission IMO). You mainly looked at “payload” which is not the whole story when looking at which is better for pulling 20K lbs. Lastly, I have never heard a F450 owner wish they had bought a F350 but I have heard plenty of F350 owners wish they had an F450.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I think both trucks are great, we wanted the F450 but in every scenario we would be overweight! They are both class 3 vehicles rated at 14,000lbs so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they may be rated for they are in the same class, making the F350 more capable in terms of payload and with the 4:10 rear end it can tow more as well! When towing big RV's you will max out payload well before you get anywhere near the max towing capacity of either truck! Also when towing any trailer, your truck brakes are not stopping the trailer, that is what the trailer brakes are for! I made this video because the F450 PU is not an F450 it is an F350 with some extra features that make it less capable! The actual Class 4 F450 that is rated at 16,500lbs is a more capable truck, but the F450 everyone buys is not that truck!

@jerryfisher9530 Год назад

What is the difference in gpm of your two trucks, thanks

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@jerryfisher9530 With these two trucks it's virtually the same mileage! The F350 has 4:10 rear end! If you had a 3:73 or 3:55 it would be much better! Both trucks get around 18 empty anf 8-9 loaded!

@jeffclark4008 8 месяцев назад

LMAO at "Ford put more components on the F450 to make it less capable". You put wayyy too much weight on the 14k gvwr, instead of important things like brakes, wheels, axles and steering.

@matthewadams6505 7 месяцев назад

Great info! Thx!!

@lincolnspangler93 Год назад

The F450 is essentially a Medium Duty truck that Ford stuck in a light duty class. If Ford were to rate it properly many states would consider it commercial. That's why the F450 has a lower payload rating. it weighs more, but the GCVW can't exceed 14500 pounds. it's all a numbers game for taxes and registrations.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

They F450 is built on the same Frame with the same rear leaf springs and the same rear axle housing! While I won't disagree the tires and wheels can support more weight than the F350 the bottom line is they are built on the same bones and are both Class 3 trucks! It is not a numbers game it was a way sell a higher trim F350 that they call an F450! The real F450 is a Class 4 truck rated at 16,500lbs!

@kevinbarry71 Год назад

Nonsense. It just allows guys like you to think so.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@kevinbarry71 No it allows guys like you to feel ok about overloading your truck!

@kevinbarry71 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths I think you misunderstand. I was replying to the original poster. I would never overload a truck. The previous guy thought he could do that with a 450

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@kevinbarry71 I am sorry I did mis read your comment!

@JasonSpirko-tl5yv 6 месяцев назад

Hands down the best F350 vs F450 video I have seen to date. Very informative. Great job with the real world testing.

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@4urthoughts Год назад

That intro had my husband laughing!! Great content as always!!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you!

@marksr1907 Год назад

I'll choose under-rated and over-engineered every time. Love my F450.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

They're both great trucks! Can't go wrong with either one!

@jakethomas6583 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths turning radius on the 450 is so much better & that alone is worth it.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@jakethomas6583 The turning radius is awesome but imagine telling people you bought a less capable truck because it turns! The point is if you need the payload the f350 is the better choice! If you don't the F450 is also a great choice!

@timpayne431 Год назад

I prefer my 2017 Ford F450 XL over any F350! It has far fewer options than the other trim levels which makes it lighter and results in a little over 5,000 pounds of payload capacity. The larger brakes, exhaust brake, awesome turning radius, and beefier rear axles give give me peace of mind while towing our 43-foot Keystone Fuzion 417 toy hauler. I've towed our RV for nearly 9,000 miles through the mountains, through very tight campgrounds with overhanging tree canopy, etc. and it does it all with ease!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

You sir have the best one as you have the upgraded features and the payload capacity! We wanted the F450 but because of payload we went with the F350! Since we live and travel full time we wanted the comforts of the top trim levels! Our F350 came with 4:10 rear end and when mated to the 10 speed it pulls great! We have traveled over 20,000 miles towing through the mountains out west and never worried about power or controlling our rig! They are both great trucks just what works best for your set up!

@wj2791 Год назад

Tim, if you did not have a trailer to pull, would you still be buying F450 over F350? Currently, I drive 2020 DRW 6.7 Lariat and is planning to put the order in for 2023 Super duty. I do not pull, but do carry up to about 3500 lbs few times in each month. I do drive pretty fast when freeway opens up. Did you do any after market for TPMS? Are you having any vibration type of issue on your tires? Are you having hard time to find the tire shop to do the maintenance on your F450?

@timpayne431 Год назад

@@wj2791 Yes, I had to add a Tireminder TPMS, I needed it for my triple axle toy hauler anyway. If not towing a large RV, the F350 is a MUCH better choice! The 4.30 axle ratio of the F450 is a huge negative if not towing a large rig. The F350 has factory TPMS, smoother riding non-commercial tires, a much better axle ratio for cruising at highway speeds and likely better fuel economy than the F450.

@wj2791 Год назад

@@timpayne431I let my heart make the decision over my head. I did order F450 Limited. :) I will probably install Centramatic in the front and will look further into Tireminder TPMS for the truck.

@Subi_doo Год назад

The 450, or any superduty, exhaust brake is a gimmick. It’s so weak, might as well not even have it

@truckerlarry7345 5 месяцев назад

As a longtime operator of a 379 Peterbilt I would choose the 450 both trucks meaning the Fords are rated on paper as the same. But the 450 is made to do maximum work all day every day , The 350 is for the weekend warrior . The difference and ride quality is mainly due to the profile of the sidewall of the tires. Taller sidewall has more deflection and is less stable under loads also tread pattern where is a thing on high profile tires. That is why the 450 has the larger wheel size and a shorter sidewall more miles per tire. so if you’re just towing your camper to Florida once a year or Arizona and you go camping occasionally the 350 will probably be fine. But if you’re a full-time RV or I would not pass up the 450 the price is very close when comparably equipped same motor same transmission. By the way nice job on the video I watch the entire thing before I come in it and I think you did a thorough job.

@PavingNewPaths 5 месяцев назад

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! I would say a flat top Pete would be my preferred choice in tow vehicles!

@kevinsigler6747 Год назад

JD (The most humble RU-vidr) told me to come over and subscribe! I was not disappointed, great job.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thanks for coming we are glad you enjoyed the video! We are so grateful that JD watched our video and mentioned us on his channel!

@lcseds Год назад

JD Who?

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@lcseds JD is the guy that does the BTBRV channel!

@rigsnrvs Год назад

Also, tires was a huge issue on my 450. Traveling and trying to find a shop to replace/fix a flat was always a challenge.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

We were all in on the F450, but we knew we would be close to maxing the truck out! In the end we decided the F350 was the better choice for the payload capacity! I have heard from several guys they spend so much time and money trying to get the 19.5-inch tires to balance and track right! I have even met several that went to 20inch rims so they could have better tire choices!

@davehaggerty3405 Год назад

My GMC 450 came without a spare tire. There was a note in the manual that said “You can’t change a tire on this truck. Call road service”.

@wj2791 Год назад

How do you over come on issue on finding the right shop to work on your F450? Do you have TPMS? Centramatic?

@wesalexander2693 Год назад

Great video! We towed a 5th wheel with a 2017 F450 with ease. There are some fundamental differences between an F350 and F450, such as commercial grade tires, suspension and wider front axle. Both have the same or similar tow/capacity ratings, however with the wider front axle the F450 has a much tighter turning radius, quite surprising really for such a big truck, which is very useful in many of the tight campgrounds there are these days.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Both trucks are great and the turning radius is amazing on the F450! We wanted the F450 but because we teavel fulltime in our RV we needed the payload capacity of the F350!

@skoffco Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths The only reason why the payload is heavier on the F350 is because it’s a lighter truck. Both having to be within the 14,000 pound limit. But aside from technical numbers the F450 can carry handle more payload it’s just can’t be published because of the weight restrictions on that class of truck. Mainly the commercial grade tires, I think there is some difference in the axles that makes it a heavier truck.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@skoffco It is still a class 3 truck rated at 14,000 gvwr! Both trucks are built on the same frame with the same suspension! Yes the F450 has tires and rims rated higher than 14k but you don't use the highest rating to determine what a machine is capable of! The F350 tires and rims are also capable of more than 14k but for some reason the F450 logic does not apply to the F350 only the F450 is capable of more than 14k!

@stevegabes146 Год назад

lets face it, my guess is 75%of the people who own these trucks and campers pay cash, in turn you could afforg to swap axles and add some fender flares for coverage if needed. and 99% of DOT doesnt stop non commerical vechiles so I would maybe through it out there that with good air bags or a kelderman systme Dot would prob not say much if you were a couple G's over....but if your a hotshot driver you better be under

@ictpilot Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths Also the F450 has bigger brakes.

@kevincameron8437 Год назад

Good comparison video between the two trucks. Both are great trucks and you did a good job of showing real data. Thanks

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! There are a lot of opinions out there when it comes to the F450 vs F350 in the RV world! I wanted to show the numbers and why we have the F350 and not the F450!

@badgerpa9 Год назад

You can get the GM with an AVAIL. MAX GVWR 23,500 lbs. The AVAIL. MAX GCWR 37,000 lbs. So it allows more payload but caps out the towing with the GCWR. Don't know all the Texas laws but I can tow a camper and since it is all personal use not for pay it is not CDL. If you get payed to tow then you would be CDL. Some states are more restrictive. Truck I had licensed dual use farm years ago I had to stay under the ag rules for weight not the CDL unless I transported interstate then I fell under CDL. People need to download the state drivers license and vehicle license regulations for their state and talk to the DMV or DOT with any questions they have. I still have people that say my truck with air brakes requires a CDL and there is no state law on air brakes in the state I have it licensed. Air brakes is part of the CDL test but not the state law for non commercial. There is so much confusing information given by dealerships even that it can really be confusing if you do not read the regs for your state to see what you need to do. Move up to a Medium Duty truck if you are towing heavy all the time is safer.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

In Texas anything over 26,000lbs requires me to get a Class A Non CDL! If I was for hire, I would have to have a CDL! It is a really easy process you take a written exam and go do a driving test with your rig! I made the video to show that the RV's nowadays are getting so big they are outgrowing the trucks! A 20,000lb RV is at the upper limits of what an F350 and an F450 can handle! If you're going bigger it's time to get away from the Class 3 truck and get truck that is rated for more than 14K!

@badgerpa9 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths I agree when you are getting up to the 20K at least a medium duty truck is better. Most of the people that use a HDT or class 8 truck for pulling their RV get there vehicle plates and drivers license in South Dakota, no CDL or nonCDL class A is needed.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I would actually really like a Freightliner sport chassis, but it would make our adventuring a lot more challenging!

@badgerpa9 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths International has a Medium duty line that is not to big but would not have the horsepower you have now. They even have a blackcherry interior that looks pretty nice. Not the 6500 GM truck, I don't remember the model, I got to look one over about a year ago that was pulling a toy hauler.

@dave4347 Год назад

Thanks for being so thorough, great video! I gotta say, those 19 in wheels alone are pulling me to the F450!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

The F450 is an awesome truck and the rims really seal the deal for it! Each truck has different capacities and as long as your understand what they are you should get the truck that works best for you!

@jeffslater2133 10 месяцев назад

The Purpose of the Video was to show that Eric is a better truck driver 😊

@PavingNewPaths 10 месяцев назад

Eric actually drove 95% of the time in this video, someone has to film!

@flyingdutchman7585 4 месяца назад

I have the best 09 F350 on the road...that's I pulled that POS 6.4 out of it and put in a 6.7 Cummins....it is a beast and does great off road or on the highway. It is SRW and I use it to haul my 2015 Northern Lite Truck Camper...been using it for 7 years now 7 months out of the year and it carries that TC like it was built for it.

@PavingNewPaths 4 месяца назад

The 6.0 and the 6.4 were not the greatest motors Ford decided to go with! That id a unique comboa Ford with a cummins!

@julionoy335 Год назад

Great job my friend. Keep up the great content. It would be great to see you create a video across the big three! I haul my camper with my Duramax and Allison 10 speed but I see that Powerstroke and Cummins bring a lot to the table as well! Safe travels.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! It would be awesome to make a video comparing the Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet! I just need someone with the other two, to come hang out with me for a day and film!

@lyndcason7516 Год назад

Having recently had both, the F450 squats less than the F350 DRW under the same load (fifth wheel). Although both are 14k GVWR and the F450 weighs more, giving it a lower CCC on paper, everyone knows that the F450 is derated to keep it listed as a Class 3 truck. And for those bigger trailers, the larger brakes on the F450 make it an excellent choice.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Since the F450 and the F350 have the same rear springs, they will squat exactly the same! In my video the F350 squatted 1/4 more but that is due to the fact I have an additional 490lbs worth of stuff in my bed and under my bed over the F450! All the F450 owners want to believe so bad that the truck is derated and that Ford made a special truck for them and listed it at 14K to keep it a class 3! Thats all opinion the fact is the truck is built on the same frame, same rear springs and same axle housing so if the F450 is derated so is the F350! At the end of the day the truck is a class 3 truck rated at 14K GVWR, the opinion of what you think it is does not matter! And lastly when towing a trailer, the trucks brakes do not stop the trailer, that's why you have trailer brakes! When you set it up correctly the trailer will stop the trailer and the truck will stop the truck!

@johnhwang339 Год назад

In a rare event that the trailer brakes fail or the pigtail gets detached, the bigger brakes on the F450 could be a lifesaver.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@johnhwang339 We fail to mention these trucks are full of so much technology that having a brake failure wouldn't just sneak up on you anymore! These trucks both the F450 and F350 will alert you if the trailer plug became disconnected and even if you had a wiring problem or short! Even if the brakes on the trailer failed, the exhaust brake combined with the tow mode of the 10speed make these trucks more than capable!

@saras4181 Год назад

Great video! It was a lot of work! Hope everyone is well and getting excited to hit the road again!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We had a lot of fun filming this one, there was a lot that went into this one! We are actually packing up now getting ready to hit the road soon! The adventure videos will be just around the corner!

@acdii Год назад

Going from a SRW F-350 short bed King Ranch to a F-450 Platinum, I noticed the ride was actually much better. In either case the DRW is a better riding truck than a SRW. Tire cost is an issue, especially with the tighter turning radius causing tire scrub, which the factory Conti's do not hold up to well. Putting a proper steer tire on, goes a long way for lasting tires. Roadmaster has them for under $250, which is about what tires for a SRW with 20's cost. IT is the turning that sold me on the truck, I live off a narrow county road with ditches on either side, and the SRW SB would be nose in the ditch backing my trailer in, the LB would be even worse, but now, it skirts the ditch, that 8' makes a huge difference. There are some sacrifices you have to consider, the 4.30 gears are fuel hogs, and are needed for spinning those massive wheels, and a bit harsher ride, but still better than the SRW SB. That is really what it all comes down to between the two. If the larger turning radius works for you, the F-350 DRW is the better choice.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Both trucks are amazing, and if we didn't need the payload capacity of the F350 we would be in an F450! We think the turning radius is awsome, but I have never not been able to put this RV where I wanted it! I think you get used to the truck you have and learn how to make it work! With the 4:10 gears our effective ratio is the same when you factor in the difference in tire size! We think 18 mpg is amazing for a dually!

@Cowboy1957 Год назад

Depending on what you use the truck for....yes the f450 does turn sharper than the f350 (BUT) the biggest thing in my book is the wheels and tires and brakes on the f450. I've had both and will definitely stay with the f450 period! Yes the f350 can haul more weight than the f450 but hauling running is one thing but when it comes to stopping and handling your not going to beat the f450. That's my opinion I run the road pulling a 40ft gooseneck and yes I need the stopping power of the f450!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Yes you definitely need the stopping power! If we weren't so heavy, we would have kept the 450 on our list when we were looking!

@Cowboy1957 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths yes sir it all depends on your usage! I was considering on another f350 just for weight difference but when you start decending those steep mountains yes and exhaust brake is a help but if you really need to get on the binders because of an accident or something out of the ordinary those big brakes make all the difference!

@jwbranham2009 6 месяцев назад

You really nailed this topic and provided real world data with realtime opinions from you guys who have awesome rigs! Thank you for the hard work producing this and making sure it is interesting.

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it!

@mbrown1519 Год назад

First of all I want to say that was an excellent job you guys did and the numbers don't lie. Here's where I see the differences in the trucks if we're talking safety, starting at the ground the 350 has 10 ply tires the 450 has 14 ply tires you are nowhere near the Max capacity of the tires on the 450. Then let's go to the brakes the brakes are a lot larger on the 450 and yes the 350 can stop the trailer and truck but if your trailer comes unplugged or wires pinched on the trailer and you lose the brakes on the trailer the f-450 comes into play immediately safety Factor. As far as looks well I like the looks of the 19.5 in rims over the 17-in rims that right there friends is worth a dollar 2.98 at least. Well until you replace the tires and I can say that with experience I just put two michelin's on the front of my 2020 F450 $962 for two. I've been towing a Weekend Warrior toy hauler that is a 49 footer with a 17 ft garage and yes it's 49 ft. Let's just say it might have taken you more than two tries to back my trailer in that spot with a F350. I've had a few 450s I had a 2008 put 160,000 miles on. 2010 put 150,000 miles on it and it blew the engine. A 2016 and put 86,000 miles on it traded it in on a 2020 and it just rolled over 50,000 miles on it. I almost forgot the reason I was going with the 450s is the height of the bed rails my weekend warrior was a 2009 doesn't have the ground clearance the newer trailers have the 450 compared to the 350 the edge of the bed was pretty close to 3 in lower the Chevy was like 5 in taller and the Dodge was six or seven inches taller which made those not work with the trailer I have. The place she should have really compared to 350 and the 450 is in the Safeway parking lot once again that's where the 450 shines.I really do think you guys did a great job but one truck doesn't fit all jobs.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! Here is more numbers for you the rear tires on the F350 combined have a load capacity of 11,640lbs so they far exceed the rear axle rating of 9900lbs! The new trucks with the 10 speed, when in Tow mode with the exhaust brake on do such a great job of handling these trailers that I hardly ever rely on my brakes to do much but come to a complete stop! I do agree the 19.5 rims are way better looking than the 17's! We had issues with our RV and bedrail clearances when we first got it, and we ended up changing the pinbox on the RV to fix the issue! I will say the F450 is better for daily driving, but we have taken the F350 all over the place and the only time we have had problems was not because of turning, but more because maybe a dually shouldn't be there!

@williamreigart4998 Год назад

The F450 are 1.2 inch bigger on the back and 1inches bigger on the front. This is to compensate for the taller heavier tires. Overall braking power between the 2 trucks is the same. The taller heavier 19.5 inch tires take more brakes to stop.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@williamreigart4998 Good point!

@Himnotman 5 месяцев назад

This had to be one of the best videos I've ever seen in this subject matter, thorough, in depth and explained well!

@PavingNewPaths 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! Glad you liked the video!

@marlofranklin4613 Год назад

By far the best vid I’ve seen with the comparison. Great job!!! Keep these great vids coming!!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you!

@Merica_dadgarage Год назад

I have a 2016 F350 platinum dually diesel. It has the wide track frt axle and a 4:30 rear gear. From what I hear they only made these in 2015 and 2016. I found the unicorn:::)))

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

You do have the unicorn it's called the Tow Boss! As soon as they decided to sell a non-commercial rated F450 they stopped making the F350 with the wide track front end!

@Merica_dadgarage Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths problem is I have a F450 that’s been on order FOREVER!!! And can’t decide if I just wanna keep this truck….. ugh

@Merica_dadgarage Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths as soon as I saw this video I was like yup need to see this!!!!!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

It was interesting making the video because they are so similar I expected there to be a huge difference! When I factored in the extra weight from all my accessories I added to my truck the F450 would be way over 14K. Not everyone travels like us but because of that the F350 is the better choice! I was interesting to see that a 20k trailer will max out both of these trucks!

@CraigNiesenPhotography Год назад

Excellent video and loaded with a ton of great information. Thank you for sharing. Peace and Safe Travels -Craig

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you Craig! I might need to pick your brain about camera stuff!

@CraigNiesenPhotography Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths, feel free to DM me over on Facebook.

@minixllc4860 Год назад

Hands down the best review on these Super Duty trucks I have ever seen 👏

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We tried to compare them using real world data and limit our opinions!

@emeraldmorningmist Год назад

Excellent video. Thank you for doing this real world side by side comparison!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@jimmaltese8513 Год назад

Great video as I own a 21 F450 Limited. #1 choice was the turning radius. And the beefed up brakes. It’s what ever package you can afford or find these days. Both 350 and 450 dually are great. Love those big hips on either one. I’m happy with my payload for what I tow. So carry on my friend. Get what’s suitable for you. Dislike when people bickering about mine is better. Choose what is better for you.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Exactly I was very neutral about both because we did originally want the F450! But because of payload we needed the F350! Thats exactly right you should get the truck that best fits your needs!

@terrypetersen4039 Год назад

It is correct both are great. I had both pickups but I prefer the larger brakes and turning radius. I travel to Montana from South Texas and back in the winter. Not to mention the wind through Wyoming. Drive through there in the winter heading back south. It even pushed my Ram 3500 drw to the side while driving 45 mph. The F450 held the ground in the cross wind. I only drive at a max 65 pulling out triple axle XLR Thunderbolt. It pulls amazing even up and over the big long Mountain over from Raton NV to Trinidad Colorado.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@terrypetersen4039 We also have the 4:10 in our truck making it the same max towing as the F450 so we know what you mean as we have pulled our RV all the way to Montana and back with no issues!

@jimmaltese8513 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths Actually the 2021 F450 Limited has 4.30 rear gear ratio

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@jimmaltese8513 All F450 have the 4:30 gear ratio! But an F350 with the 4:10 will have a higher max towing than the F450 because once you factor in the tire size they are esentially the ratio!

@brdiesel7288 10 месяцев назад

Got an '17 F-350 XLT and pulled out RV's from Indiana for a couple of years...After 360K miles, all I can say, is the only problem is the turning radius. Besides that...All good...

@PavingNewPaths 10 месяцев назад

The F350 is the best truck to have if you need to handle the heavy pin weight of the big fifthwheels! Get it with a 4:10 rearend and it can out tow the F450 as well! Turning is fine when I am towing, I have never been pulling our 44ft trailer and wished I could turn sharper! It would be nice to have the turning when driving in town without the trailer!

@davidsingletonii883 Год назад

You had me hooked in the first minute and a half 😂 “This one has a hundred more 50’s” 😂

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We tried to have fun with the intro and are glad you enjoyed it!

@Orginal_Sinner 6 месяцев назад

I don't own a truck yet, this video is SUPREMELY informative! Thank you!

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

They are both great trucks, but if you are going for a big heavy RV the best truck is the F350, if you need more then you need to look at the actual class 4, F450 that doesn't come with a bed! If you are considering the F450 that has a bed just realize it is not more capable than the F350!

@turtle2498 Год назад

WOW That's a lot of work putting the video together. Thanks to you, Phil, and Eric for all yalls time! No dog in this fight since I have a gmc sierra 3500 Denali on the way but that was a great comparison, still not giving up my 2004 F250 Crew Cab 4x4👍 No matter what the sticker is what the truck is legally rated, ask any lawyer 😉

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! They are all great trucks and most likely all are capable of more than the 14K GVWR they are listed at! But I am a Ford Man!

@tonymolinaro2678 Месяц назад

Very good real-world video. The big picture of most trucks would be overloaded with anything over a 20,000lb trailer. My only comment would be subtracting the 460 lbs. from the 350 versus adding it to the 450.

@PavingNewPaths Месяц назад

Thanks!

@firemanbeebe Год назад

That was a pretty good video thanks for doing it 👍 I've seen nothing like it on RU-vid , Good job !

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I appreciate the compliment!

@krasavshik11 Год назад

What an awesome vid 👏, can't wait to see how ram gonna compare ,also would love to hear about reliability issues between these trucks.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! That RAM 5500 is a whole different beast! I can't speak for the F450 but our F350 has pulled our RV around the US fulltime for almost 2 years now with no issues!

@ericcrager3332 Год назад

We only have 25k miles on the 450, but have had no issues at all.

@randymoy5190 Год назад

The biggest thing I've seen is no matter what 450 trim level you buy, they all start out with the same "bones" whereas a 350 you have to spec it out and ensure the proper tow packages are installed. Much easier, in my humble opinion, to buy a 450. It's all ready to go. Just how much comfort/convenience you desire on the trim package.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

We are talking about the version that everyone is using to pull the big RV's nowadays! That is usually a lariat and up trim package for both, so having to "work" to spec them out is not a thing! You are right both the F350 and F450 start out as the same bones and use most of the same parts! When it is done The F450 is a very nice truck but it is an F350 with some nice upgraded that make it less capable for what the truck is being used for! Pulling heavy Fifth wheels with 4k plus pin weight!

@randymoy5190 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths Completely understand the "version" of the 350 everyone is using. My point is no matter what trim level 450 you buy it IS the right version already. No need to spec out anything. Plug n Play. You buy a 450 it's ready to tow. No need to make sure it has dual rear wheels, etc..like you do on a 350. 😎

@dchambers25 2 месяца назад

@@randymoy5190 choosing a drw 350 when specing the trucks takes the same work as choosing a 450. There is a box you check for both if you want a 350 drw, or a 450. I suppose that 'drw' can make it hard since you have 3 extra letters you have to read. You make it sound as if you are sweating pointing the mouse and clicking.

@randymoy5190 2 месяца назад

@@dchambers25 No sweat at all if I get a 450. The work is already done. 🤠

@dchambers25 2 месяца назад

@@randymoy5190 yeah you are right! I had to click another box on the order form and my finger cramped up. Not to mention I had to add the bedliner, choose limited trim, rapid supplemental heat and wheel well liners! Truly an exhausting 45 secs to do all that!

@ksal854 Год назад

I've been researching and comparing these 2 trucks for the past month. This is the kind of video I've been wanting to see. Thanks guys!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

They are both great trucks! If it was just me and my wife we would have the F450, the upgraded features make it an awesome truck to pull and RV with! Since we are a family of 5 and our RV stays loaded to around max capacity all the time we needed the payload of the F350 to ensure our truck was not overweight!

@ksal854 Год назад

That's why I'm glad you did the video like you did with practical applications and weighing on the scale. I'm leaning towards the 450 for hauling big loads of hay on a gooseneck, and then a 4-horse gooseneck with full living quarters with kitchen and all. Very much appreciate all the info!

@scottythebody0811 Год назад

Best comparison video out there. Thanks for posting.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@scottythebody0811 Год назад

@@TonyBenton0728 Yes, I have seen them. I still feel this was the best comparison. You do you.

@richardbowles7690 Год назад

Thanks for spending so much time on a GREAT VIDEO. A must watch for everyone deciding between F350 and F450 for RV use. #F350 #F450 #towingRV

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! This video took a lot of time and effort to set up and film, but we feel it was worth it in the end!

@slurugger Год назад

Great detailed review, thanks for putting the effort on this. Having driven and parked my F450 in multiple tight urban environments (i.e. old town Santa Fe) I'll stick with the tighter turning radius and bigger brakes on the F450. Your comment about the trucks being de rated is spot-on. When doing my research into this F450 I also looked at F550s. I called 5 insurance companies and they all required a F550 and up to be insurance as commercial. So the registration and insurance is significantly more but the HP / torque of an F550 is de rated. It seems the campers are out growing the classes and insurance ratings for trucks...

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! It is a very debated subject in the RV world, and the RV's are outgrowing the trucks if you want to remain legal! You can see we were able to max out both trucks with just a 20,000lb trailer! The turning radius is awesome but for us we needed the payload capacity of the F350 to stay under 14K on the truck! Both great trucks just depends on what works best for your situation!

@robertfisher437 6 месяцев назад

Outstanding video, well done and informative.

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@danielwallace7536 Год назад

Fantastic video. You do great work. You persuaded me to reconsider a 350 vs 450. Still toiled over it but you gave me pause on pulling the trigger on a 450. Great job, thanks !!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! They are both great trucks but there are things you need to consider if you are planning on getting the F450 PU that a lot of people don't think about! In the end if the F450 is right for you then it is an awesome truck, but for us there was no math that ever worked where we wouldn't be overweight with the F450! That is one of the reasons we decided to go with the F350 instead!

@skeim5620 Год назад

Awesome video,thank you

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you!

@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 Год назад

I really enjoyed watching the differences and not some differences. They must have thought WTH are they doing at the campground!? Lol

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

My wife said the same thing! They already think I am crazy because I have been working on my RV and talking to the camera! Now I show up with two trucks and we just keep hooking it up and doing circles around the park!

@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths Lmao 😂

@brianconner4854 5 месяцев назад

Really a damn good and highly informative video. Hats off

@PavingNewPaths 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@enterprise59 9 месяцев назад

We've had our 2022 F350 now for a year towing a 42 foot 5th wheel, 2 axles. Yeah, sometimes I wish we'd gone with the 450, but I've learned how to drive it pretty good. Been in some very tight spots and making 1 or 2 adjustments isn't a big deal. I also know that the more options you add, the less you can haul, so we opted NOT to get the 4x4 and stuck with the XLT with the moon roof. The trucks done it's job superbly with just over 30k miles on her. Not sure why your F450 didn't have the upfitter switches, but the 22's came standard with them on the 450 from what we were told and saw. We love our truck, it does it's job and that's what matters.

@PavingNewPaths 9 месяцев назад

The F350 is the better choice for towing these bigger RV's than the F450! The reason is the F450 pickup version is not actually a bigger more capable truck! It is just and F350 outfitted with some extra options that in turn make it a less capable truck in terms of Payload and also max towing if the F350 has a 4:10 rear end! The F450 is nice but if it has a bed on it you didn't get bigger better truck, you just got an optioned F350! Now there are a few out there that went with the actual F450 that is a class 4 truck and that one is a bigger and better truck! But it is a work truck and doesn't come with very nice creature comforts on the interior!

@Arabian1967Knight Год назад

Thanks for this video. Just what I needed to see. If I want more maneuverability I will get the 450, but if I want more payload it will be the 350. I'm thinking if I go with the 17K RV I may go with the 450, but if I ever think a 20K is in my future. I might as well get the 350. Since I don't have experience with driving dually's and it may prove to be a benefit for just general parking without a trailer. The 450 may just be the winner. Thanks again.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Both great trucks, we wanted the F450 but since we travel fulltime, our truck and the RV are both very heavy! We would have exceeded the payload of the F450 and been overweight all the time! We had to lose some weight in our RV when we first started to get our weight within the limits of the truck and the trailer!

@brianscheuerman519 Год назад

I know i am a bit late to the party here, but loved this video. Perfect timing for me as i am on a search for a DRW Truck. Love the channel, and thanks for the hard work that went into making this.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We really enjoyed making this video, and it was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun and hopefully we were able to shine some light on the actual numbers of both of the trucks for you!

@michaellawrence5492 11 месяцев назад

Dang good presentation comparing the two trucks . Thanks !

@PavingNewPaths 11 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@billz410 7 месяцев назад

This has gotta be the best get-down-to-the-facts video between these two trucks, with indisputable data to back it up. Very well done.

@PavingNewPaths 7 месяцев назад

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

@nowweride3094 Год назад

Beautiful Fords! But I'll stick to my commercial chassis, has more torque and power then I'll ever need and we will never wear it out! Oh and tons more room in it all for the same price too!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I would love to have an HDT! But we still need our truck to get around as a family of 5 when we go exploring!

@nowweride3094 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths we all have to do what's best for our families! That is what I love to see and hear other opinions which in turn helps others like me! 🇺🇸👍

@rigsnrvs Год назад

I have owned both and will keep going back to my 350. It works for what I need it to do.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

We will start with a 350 too as long as we are fulltiming and in such a heavy rv!

@PremiumOOO7 Год назад

Great content man. Loved it. Big thumbs up.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We appreciate it!

@titaniummaster1532 6 месяцев назад

Great video, practical, and very informational. Thank you

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

@patriot8087 9 месяцев назад

Awesome content and great review.

@PavingNewPaths 9 месяцев назад

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!

@VetSemperFi Год назад

Other considerations $worth$ mentioning before deciding is insurance cost of both trucks AND if you do exceed the weight ratings of truck, camper, or both AND have an accident, you'll have no insurance and can lose everything!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Insurance was another big reason we went away from the F450! Not only would we be overweight the insurance at least in Texas was double that of an F350!

@JS-sh3nq Год назад

Excellent video one of the best reviews out there keep them coming

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you so much! We put a lot into this one and enjoyed making it!

@Scout819 10 месяцев назад

Made a lot of good points- there are people who are thinking 450 vs 350 and probably think "Oh, 4 > 3, 450's obviously the way to go!" But it's not that simple. Something else to consider(That I've noticed quite a few people forget) is that the numbers advertised(AND in the towing guides) are for base model trucks. As you implied when you were talking about both trucks being overloaded with 20' campers, and their being bigger campers out there- your Lariats, King Ranches, Platinums, etc can't (legally) tow the same amount of weight as say, an XL. So like you said, your options are to either move to a beefier truck(commercial truck territory), or give up some of those creature comforts and go down to a Lariat or better yet(for payload), XLT or XL, where you'll then be well within the limits on both trucks(But on longer trips I don't blame people wanted more creature comforts lol)

@PavingNewPaths 10 месяцев назад

glad you liked the video! This is why wr made it most belive the F450 is bigger because the number, when infact it is smaller, in terms of towing capacity and payload! It is true the less option truck can do the most work! We have basically maxxed out our F350 platinum with a 20k trailer! If we went bigger we would need more truck!

@skoffco Год назад

i’ve had a 2020 F350 DWR and now a 2022 F450. If I had my choice to do it all again, it would be the F450 every day, all day. I absolutely love this truck!! Don’t notice a major difference in the ride. It’s not mainly about it’s turning radius in campgrounds, it’s the turning radius when using that truck as your every day vehicle driving in and out of parking lots of towns and tight spaces.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Both trucks are great but the bigger Rv you have and more payload you require the F350 is the better choice! The F450 pickup is just a less capable F350! If you actually needed the payload and towing ove that you need the actual class 4 F450 or bigger not the F450 pickup version!

@skoffco Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths I get all that. The pin weight on my Grand Design Solitude is 3,155 lbs plus all other payload in the truck added together well within the limit of the F450. I’m simply saying for me having owned an F350 and now the F450 the turning radius is a big plus when using the vehicle as an every day driver when Unhitched from the camper. And I must say, the wide front fenders and axles look bad ass. 😛😛

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

The soltitude line up is well within the capability of the F450! I made this video because I meet so many F450 owners with RV'S as big as mine or bigger and they all claim they needed the F450 for the capacity! Thats jusy not true if you needed the capacity you would have gone with an F350 or the actual class 4 F450! I won't take away from the turning radius but at the end of the day your still driving a dually and therefore turning is one thing but actually fitting is another!

@wj2791 Год назад

I am in same exact shoes. I currently have 2020 F350 DRW and just ordered F450 Limited which will likely be ready in early 2023. How do you check air pressures? Did you add tire balancer?

@skoffco Год назад

@@wj2791 i use a typical style air gauge used by class 8 truck drivers. It’s about a foot long and has a 45° angle chuck on the backside. Purchased it at a truckstop I think. For balancing I have installed Centro-Matic balancers on the front only.

@andyradlgruber5315 Год назад

Great video and fantastic data. Thank you. I bought a 450 mostly for the turning radius. Hoping the tires and brakes don't cost that much more. Our 5'er is 19K GVWR so the numbers will be safe, at least a lot better than our 350 SRW. 4.30 gears are amazing towing over the Canadian Rockies. Rarely left 9th gear up the steep hills keeping the speed limit, and could stay in 10th for a huge portion of the trip. Like you said though, once you get into that 20K+ range for a trailer you're into some number crunching to keep it legal and the 350 has the edge. But only for that in my opinion, and its a biased opinion.😉

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you for your comment! We made this video to show what the heavy RV'S look like on both trucks! This is also the reason we decided on the F350 over the F450! Ours has the 4:10 rearend, combined with the 10 speed we are very similar in how it tows! We have pulled over many passes and we hardly ever drop down many gears! They are both great trucks!

@dmkolb1977 Год назад

F-450 because it turns better, and better breaking. But that is more important to me.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

They are both great trucks! it is important the get the right truck for your needs! We needed the payload capacity so we have the F350!

@peteallen2887 Год назад

Just ordered a 2023, had to go with the F350 because Ford has closed the ordering bank for 450’s. I just sold my 2011 350, and also have a 2019 F450. I’m a huge fan for the 450

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I think they are both great and really wanted the F450! For us we needed the payload and would always be overweight with our RV and the F450!

@TimmyMoza Год назад

That was a great A/B compare. Thanks for all the detail. Well done!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I love both trucks! But I see a lot of people puling thse big RV'S with the F450 and I know how close we are to maxing out our F350! I made the video to show what it really looks like on the scale!

@E6fireman237 Год назад

Great video and information.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank You!

@howaussie 7 месяцев назад

Fantastic, really appreciate your thoroughness. We are trying to work out if we need a 350dw or 450dw. Now have a much better idea. Thank you!!

@PavingNewPaths 7 месяцев назад

Glad to help! If you have any other questions when doing your research, let us know!

@juarez97 Год назад

Beyond phenomenal content, beyond amazing all the detailed info and data you provided in this video 1,000,000 thanks 👍

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We are glad you appreciated the video!

@1980zz4 Год назад

You created a very informative video describing the differences between the F350 and F450...excellent work. Regardless, it doesn't do much to explain how much better the turning radius and brakes are on the F450. The turning radius is huge in everyday travel with the trailer behind the truck. Parking lots, keeping the trailer away from curbs when turning right...so much easier. I updated from the F350 to an F450 to pull our Momentum for these reasons. A bonus is the commercial tires. I get that the payload capacity is more on the F350. Fully loaded, I'm very near my maximum on my trailer. Given a few hundred pounds difference between the two trucks doesn't justify giving up the braking and turning radius for me (IMO) as these are much more important when it comes to the safety of me and my family. We all pick what works best for us and that's what makes our country great. I hate the mine is better than yours mentality. You have a great looking outfit. Best wishes to you and safe traveling always.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I really made this to show that the F450 and the F350 are the same truck! They are just different variations of a Class 3 Ford dually! We wanted the F450 but knew we would be 600 plus lbs. overweight at the very minimum once we had the rig loaded down! The F350 is more capable when it comes to the payload side of things so that is what we went with! I will agree the turning is nice, but we have never not put our camper somewhere because we couldn't turn!

@Cla55clown Год назад

god I wish GM made a version of the Ford F-450. Love that turning radius and upgraded brakes!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I will say it is nice that the F450 is still a pick up truck! The 4500 and 5500 trucks just become so big and unusable for everyday life!

@emeraldmorningmist Год назад

If Ford would put that turning radius on the F-350 I wonder if it would increase sales. In fact, put that same radius on all their super duty trucks.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@emeraldmorningmist I feel the wide track should at least be an option for all models!

@JeepCherokeeful Год назад

They do!

@JeepCherokeeful Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths a wide track f350 dually would be great!

@Morphz_Unlimited Год назад

Helluva video👏🏾. Love the detailed effort and the ending was hilarious

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! The Dodge owner had no problem being in the video when I told him what I wanted!

@sunnygolden2240 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for doing this video. I'm purchasing a F350 diesel for pulling my 5th wheel. Total maxed out about 16,000lb. Some say not a diesel but I feel the diesel does a better job of towing. Thanks again for the video. You give it for the real people out there. Hug the kids.

@PavingNewPaths 10 месяцев назад

Thank you! Glad you liked the video! Diesel will cost you more in maintenance and fuel, but I would never tow with a gas, especially if I was planning to tow alot!

@PHMadness Год назад

When I bought my F450 it was a purchase of opportunity. I was shopping for a dually of any flavor and coming up empty. I found this 2019 F450 Lariat with only 16k miles on it for a good price. That said, I do love this truck. PS: you DID add the Companion hitch weight twice when adding your 490lbs to the F450 scale weight, that weight included his hitch.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

We took the weight of both trucks the way they were scaled so the F450 had full fuel, passengers and the companion hitch when we weighed it for a total of 9880Lbs. We also had the scale slip of the F350 with full fuel passengers the companion and all the other accessories I have added to the truck for a total of 9840 lbs. After scaling them with full fuel, passengers and all the components we found the F450 was only 40 lbs. heavier than the F350 and that is because all my accessories I added brought my truck up to almost the same weight as the F450! (Remember they both have the companions in the truck when we scaled them) So in order to figure out how much all my stuff weighs including the hitch (I only reference the hitch because the turnover ball hitch will weigh more than the puck style hitch and I wanted to include that weight difference) my toolbox, bed cover, air system and air bags we can use the payload capacity from each truck because the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the max GVWR of 14,000lbs. The F350 payload is 5375lbs and the F450 payload is 4845 leaving a difference of 530lbs. So stock for stock the F450 should weigh 530lbs more than the F350 but since we have added accessories and upgrades, the F450 was only 40lbs heavier that the F350. They were both scaled with their own companion hitches installed and the weight was accounted for. My accessories including the hitch (because there is a difference in the base plate on the turnover ball vs the puck system) my tool box, bedcover, air system, and air bags all equal 490lbs of things I have added to the truck! So If I were to own and F450 I would be an additional 490lbs heavier as I would have all the same components installed!

@thewhiskeycowboy-official 6 месяцев назад

Great video. That aside, the comments section shows that no matter the truth, or numbers, folks will get what they want and then justify their purchase; regardless of facts. ;) Both ARE good/great trucks though. I think for most, either will work more than fine... it's on the extremes that things become more crucial (and that was really your point). Cheers!

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

Thank you finally someone gets the point of the video! I never said the F450 wasn't a good truck, I love it and wanted one but the more I did my homework the more I started to realize that it wouldn't work for me! I think the majority like myself see the 4 and think it's a bigger truck! When in reality it is not, Ford just convinced you to pay more for an F350 with some options on it! That is all I wanted to show, that the 4 doesn't mean bigger!

@tomtanous8608 Год назад

Awesome video! Great data.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you!

@prestonbroxson8161 Год назад

I've had both and we rodeo all over the US. Love the test, but now that I've had the 450, I'll never go back to a 350. The turning does it for me, along with the deeper gearing. It pulls as easily as my last 350 with was tuned and deleted. I see better fuel mileage with this stock 450 vs my stock 350. For me, I like the brakes, turning radius and the gearing. I've now had 2 different friends that have ordered 450s after driving mine.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I think maybe if the F350 didn't have the 4:10 there might have been more of a difference in the trucks! But an F350 with that rear end will out pull and have more payload than the F450! We wanted the F450 and were disappointed to learn that it is only a class 3 truck and because of the extra weight it is less capable than the F350! Now if they would make a true class 4, F450 with a bed and nice trims that would be the way to go!

@4theluvnu Год назад

Great Video Sir!!!!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you!

@jeffhier9807 Год назад

Great video! Hope you are going to do the same test with that Ram.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

I would love too! I need someone with a RAM to come hang out for the day and we can make it happen!

@MrandMrsThumper 11 месяцев назад

Our Ford F350 and Momentum 410 (maiden voyage) were just resecued off of the I90 Turnpike in Mass by a Dodge 5500. I made a couple of Shorts and videos about our experience. In all, three very expensive tow bills to get from Orlando to Laconia, NH. We appreciate your video as we are contemplating upgrading to a F450, Dodge 5500 or perhaps a Frieghtliner.

@PavingNewPaths 11 месяцев назад

If you have a 410 and are running at max capacity, the F350 is the better choice over the F450! Unless you are getting the actual F450 class 4 truck, but if your considering that I would look at the F550 or the dodge 5500 they are really set up to handle the weight and have capacity left over!

@gratefuldude7511 Год назад

Answered so many questions thank you.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you for watching!

@eddiew3521 Год назад

Another great video with lots of useful F-350 vs F-450 comparisons. On a previous video you mentioned the F-350 bed rails were raised by 2” beginning with either the 2016 or 2017 model years [cannot remember which]. I agree that can become problematic for Fifthwheel towing.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Ford did it in 2017, not sure when the other brands did it but they are all taller than they used to be! It does create some issues with bedrail clearances if you have the wrong set up between the hitch and pinbox!

@OurRoundaboutLife Год назад

I have been researching the differences in the F450 & F350 for almost a year now and this is by far the best video out there on actual comparisons. Thank you so much and great video. We are waiting on the order banks to open up in October to order our new F450. We will be upgrading to the Grand Design Solitude 390RK once we get the truck. We went to a dealership a while back to drive both a F350 & F450 to compare for ourselves. Even the dealer made the comment that the F450 had more cargo capacity and I had to correct him that actually it had less since it weighed more. But your video helped me be more confident in our decision on which one to go with. Keep up the great work and we hope to see you on the road somewhere soon.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! All the videos I have ever seen are just talking or they do truck vs. truck testing! I have never seen one where they take both and F350 and an F450 and hook them to trailer and show you the numbers! We wanted the F450, but the math told us we would be overweight with our RV, so we got the F350! They are both great trucks, but you have to understand they have different limitations! Thanks for watching and I am glad you enjoyed the video!

@OurRoundaboutLife Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths yes there are very few people that say and realize there is a weight capacity difference. So glad you showed that in real world towing of a fifth wheel camper. Luckily our 5th wheel maxes out at 16,800 lbs GVWR so we should be good on the F450. But I’m glad you showed for your application you needed the F350. Hopefully this will help a lot of others be able to make informed decisions.

@mbrown1519 Год назад

Please read my opinion on the F450 I've had four of them I left my opinion in the the group message

@johnduszynski7276 Год назад

outstanding job. i have a 2011 F350 and really thought about going the 450 route and was thinking exactly what you found out. Thanks again for the video. i do like that turning radius though

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

They are both great trucks the F450 turning radius really is awesome! It would take me a while to get used to it! We went with the F350 for the payload capacity!

@johnduszynski7276 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths same.....all about that towing capacity

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@johnduszynski7276 We have the 4:10 rear end in ours so we also have a great max towing capacity!

@ryanjones2576 2 месяца назад

Awesome job with the video. This is what was needed.

@PavingNewPaths 2 месяца назад

Thanks!

@5th-wheeler330 Год назад

Awesome video! I went from a 2012 F-450 King Ranch to a 2019 F-350 XLT about 2 years ago. I do miss the 450’s turning radius, but the ride was brutal. I’ll take the 350 for the ride alone any day. My concern with all the manufacturers and all the weight numbers is this: how many people new or relatively new to RVing are buying trailers based on that 30,000+ pound towing capacity the manufacturers claim? Keep me away from the person towing that 26k# Luxe with an F-350!!! I’m in my 20th year towing full-profile 5th wheels - and I learn something from every video you publish. Keep it up!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

First thank you for the compliments! We wanted the F450 but the math never worked out for us! No matter what we did we would always be overweight on the truck! We went with the F350 because we needed the payload capacity! Most people don't realize that you can max out an F350 and an F450 with a 20,000lb trailer! You will run out of your payload capacity well before you get to the max towing numbers as RV's are very pin heavy! If you have a LUXE you better show up with a class 4 or 5 truck! I think you would be overweight with the trailer empty!

@25torgeir Год назад

2012 F450 and 2020 F450 are oranges and apples

@25torgeir Год назад

F-450 is the King 💪and it also looks a lot better. 🙂

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

The F450 is a very nice truck and we wanted one! But the numbers don't lie it is not as capable as the F350 when it comes to handling the pin weight of the Big Toyhaulers! Also the F350 with a 4:10 rearend has a higher max towing capacity than the F450!

@wj2791 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths 14000 lbs rated GVWR is not accurate for F450.. It should be much higher. F450 will be safer with bigger brakes alone. I currently drive F350 Dually 6.7 and have stopped quickly with carrying about 3500 lbs and felt it needed more braking power. I am looking into getting 2023 F450 once the order bank opens up.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@wj2791 The F450 is a class 3 vehicle with a GVWR of 14,000lbs! You can find this info on the door sticker of the F450 pickup version! The F450 cab and chassis model is a class 4 vehicle rated at 16,500lbs!

@michaelfinley9988 Год назад

I own a 2020 F450 Limited that I upgraded from an F250. I tow a 14k 5th wheel which was right at the limit of the F250. The F450 tows and stops this rig with much more confidence. I did upgrade the fuel tank from a 48 gallon tank to a 68 gallon tank (love this upgrade). I went with a 20k Reese gooseneck and ball setup for a number of reasons. I have access to to my full bed. Saves on the payload weight and for me, the gooseneck seemed much more confidence inspiring when hooking up than a king pin and 5th wheel hitch (no tug test needed). I will say one draw back to the F450 are the 19.5” commercial tires. They tend to track the grooves and ruts in the road which can be nerve wracking. Also limited options on tires and places to purchase and install ( you can’t just go to a Discount Tire). Also no TPMS option from factory on F450, I bought an after market TPMS system for truck and rig. Overall I love my F450.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

We think the F450 is a great truck! For us we would have been over 14K with our set up that is why we went with the F350! We needed the payload capacity, since we travel fulltime as a family of 5, we are never going to be any lighter than we are now! We love the B and W as it is the easiest and best fifth wheel hitch on the market when it comes to hitching and unhitching no matter what angle! You also can never have a false positive connection as it will not lock unless it is right! It also allows me more adjustments as far as ride height and bed position when dialing in the ride! We think whatever truck works for you is the right truck!

@brentmcmahon8188 6 месяцев назад

If you buy a new 450 or 550 if you register it as a RV insurance will be cheap and if you have truck camper you show them your RV and with a 5 th wheel the same if you don’t do this they register it ac a commercial truck and insurance will be really high. So don’t forget .

@PavingNewPaths 6 месяцев назад

That really depends on the State! Here in Texas we couldn't get a class 3, F450 the one that is rated at 14k GVWR insured on a personal plan! Let alone the actual Class 4, F450 or the Class 5, F550! We almost changed our residency over this as we wanted the F450, that is until we realized the the F450 with a bed isn't a bigger truck at all! So we got the F350 and stayed Texans!

@gregormaitland5065 Год назад

Great video! We have a 12000# GVWR GN horse trailer, so we don’t need a dually (we have a ‘17 F350 SRW), but I’d sure like one! So with the max GN towing at over 30k, what setup can actually tow that weight? A really heavy load without much pin weight? As you showed, you were just about maxed out with a 20000# trailer.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Fifth Wheels are very pin heavy and eat into payload capacity! To maximize towing capacity, you would need to have your GN trailer supporting most of the weight! Likely to get to the max towing capacity numbers you would need a heavy loaded trailer where most of the weight was over the GN Axles and not being carried by the truck!

@jimhullak5311 Год назад

Great video we watch everything you put out. Did you every consider sumo suspension enhancement for the 5th wheel?

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We looked into the Full Independent suspension at one point but were leaning that way because of the ride quality plus the braking capacity by going to disc brakes! We ultimately decided that we would pull our RV around and see how it did and honestly, we have been doing it for 2 years now and would likely only do any upgrades if there was ever an issue with our stock setup that needed major repairs! I have however been toying with the idea of adding shocks to the trailer axles!

@jimhullak5311 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths Thanks the wife and I are in our 4th month of full time. If you get a chance look at sumo springs for the camper. Jerry from I love rv life has a great video about them. We have a F 350 srw and a solitude 310 GK both 2022. All good so far. Hope to see you on the road some day. Congrat on the new baby. Take care

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! Enjoy the life it is truly amazing!

@NycCitizen Год назад

For most 5th wheel RV haulers, the 350 provides better RV alignment since 17 wheels sit lower than 19.5. But if you want better brakes and get medium duty tires instead of light duty tires, you need a 450. Front steer links and hubs are larger/thicker on a 450. For most people, a 350 is fine. But if you are going to be on the road 12hrs a day and/or pulling heavy loads everyday like a tow truck, 450 hands down. I would buy a 550 if I could get it insured for recreational use.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

That was the exact point of this video if you own an F450 pickup meaning it has a bed on it you don't have an F450! You have an F350 with some added features that make it less capable! Both trucks in the video are class 3 trucks rated at 14k GVWR! They F350 has a higher payload and max towing capacity than the F450! There is a cab and chassis F450 that is the actual F450 as it is a class 4 truck just like the F550 you mentioned that is a class 5 truck!

@NycCitizen Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths it all depends on the intended use. Pulling RV’s, then sure f-350 DRW is fine. Pulling hot shot loads or towing vehicles…the f-450 would be better becuase it is different where it counts…the brakes…the Beefed up rear axle…the beefed up front end controls. Most folks that own a f-450 think of their trucks more as a scaled down f-550 than a scaled up f-350. Bottom line..figure out what you need and get that. Simple.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Again thats why I made the video! It doesn't matter what you think the F450 is scaled down from! Bottom line if you have an F450 with a pickup bed on it all you got was an F350 that weighs more and is now less capable! If I was going to be pulling heavy loads I would want the truck that has the higher payload capacity and the higher max towing capacity so the F350 is the right truck! I am not saying its better than an actual F450 but the F450 pickup is nothing more than a less capable F350! If you needed more you would get the class 4 F450 or the class 5 F550!

@Tay-fn8pe 9 месяцев назад

great job guys, THANK YOU !

@PavingNewPaths 9 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@davefisher6968 Год назад

With the exception of the leather seats, both heated and cooled, plus adaptive cruise control everything shown in these trucks is available in the XLT.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Which would actually be the better choice in both models as they would have better payload numbers!

@tedsheldon11 Год назад

You are on the money with this! Pin weight may be under payload but how it transfers may change that. Great video best one I have seen in this topic. I have an old 350 that is at 12500 gvw and 20000. We are right at the edge of being over.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I really wanted to show that the F350 and the F450 are basically the same truck! The F450 has some upgraded options but, they make it a less capable truck and we showed that with the scale slips! We wanted the F 450, but the math would not work as we knew we would be over 14K on the truck when loaded down for fulltime living! Also, it made us realized that a 20,000 lb trailer if loaded will max out both trucks!

@tedsheldon11 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths sorry everyone badgering you! Love your content and if you roll through south Mississippi again.....we'll feed ya right and make ya fat!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@tedsheldon11 Thank you Ted!

@kevinjgillespie Год назад

Thank you for doing such an excellent job on this comparison! You hit every point and did so exceptionally well. There is so much confusion out there on these two trucks and you all cleared all that up very well . I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 6.7L and the reason I went with the F350, (although I wish I could get the front axle on an F350 with 19.5" wheels as an option), is because I have a truck camper that comes in at 4800 pounds and I pull a 16' trailer. I needed the extra payload capacity and I also drive empty a lot so I did not want the 430 gears. I have the 3.55. Nice job and thank you again!

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! I made this video because there is a lot of misinformation out there on these two trucks! The F450 pickup is not the truck you thought you were buying most of the time! Yes, it is nice and has lots of cool upgrades but they take away from the payload capacity! At the end of the day the F450 is just a variant of the F350 but the badge on the side gives it the impression that it is a bigger and better truck!

@318Huslta Год назад

Excellent video! Intro had me rolling!😂😂😂

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you! We tried to have some fun with the intro and the ending!

@denispinet3480 Год назад

This was a great video, very well done and factual. I will be ordering one of these next year. The looks and turning radius are really what I like with the 450 and yes I realize the wheels and brakes and tires are bigger... but I also like the idea of 17 inch tire selection, tpms and more payload on the 350. How many times have you been on a campground and not been able to maneuver your RV in a spot with the 350? I will be purchasing a momentum 376 with I believe 20,000 GVWR. I have subscribed.

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

Thank you for watching! The Momentum 376TH is a 20K trailer like ours, and if you are not fulltime like us you likely won't be as heavy! This is everything we own so we are basically at the max capacity of our trailer! That is why we had to go with the F350 over the F450 because we needed the payload capacity! If you have a toy you plan to put in the garage your pin weight will be more favorable than ours and I believe the washer and dryer spot is in the master bathroom in the rear! So you have a lot going for you to reduce your pin weight over our model! The F450 is a great truck and is great for everyday driving when you're not towing! We have never had any problems getting our RV into a spot because of the turning radius! Our problems come from the fact that we are so tall and long and usually it's trees and other obstacles that create our challenges! None of which would be solved by the turning radius!

@denispinet3480 Год назад

@@PavingNewPaths I agree that we would be fine payload wise. I also get concerned when I read about 450 owners having to use centramatic balancers because of vibration. I don't care to spend another $5K on new wheels to maybe make some of these issues go away. And then there is the "wandering" issue some talk about like you did in your video. Your friend with the 450, does that happen a lot? I realize it's a truck and don't expect a Cadillac ride. And to make the decision harder none of these trucks are available near me to try. First world problems :)

@denispinet3480 Год назад

I guess the question is, knowing what you know now, if payload was not an issue which truck would you have purchased?

@PavingNewPaths Год назад

@@denispinet3480He says you get used to it and you learn when to expect it! If I was not concerned with payload I would have the F450 and just learn to deal with the issues that come from the tires! I think that is what makes the truck I would probably never change them!