Actually did invite in a couple of Mormons once when they came knocking. I asked one question they couldn't answer: "If, as you say, the Book of Mormon does not contradict the Old and New Testaments in any way, then why is it necessary? What element necessary for salvation is present within it that does not already sufficiently exist in the Bible?" They had nothing.
The Book of Mormon can't be taken seriously and even contradicts the Bible in many places. Also an elder is the husband of one wife but almost all of their missionaries are single.
@@xunzi4327 This story happened in my living room in April, 2003. I have not a clue what Mormons are or are not taught, I just remember what the ones in front of me said that day.
I used to live less than a block from a mormon ward while in mercedes, tx. My dad was a Lutheran pastor and we would be visited from time to time by mormon missionaries. Heres...the problem albeit a hilarous one. My dad would bring them in and try to save THEM. He did this so many times that the missionaries actively avoided our house. He took a bit of glee whenever they were over.
@@cherylcarlson3315 The following is just a couple of "fun facts" & no insult intended. You do know that no modern Irish man/woman uses the language-style of the 16th century? After having lived between homes in Ireland & the U.S.A. for 35 years, we rarely met anyone new, in the U.S.A. without them speaking to us in this manner, upon our first introduction. The cartoons are funny because they're supposed to be set in the 6th century (when Patrick came to share the gospel from his home in Wales). There are 32 counties in Ireland & each one of them has a different brogue!
"Mostly it just makes ye Irish" - great line. Q - How many people does it take to change an Irish Grandmother's light bulb? A - ...I'll just sit here in the dark I guess
@@SvanTowerMan I can give you one undeniable heresy, that being Sola Scriptura. The Bible does not teach Sola Scripture therefore, it is a self-defeating position.
@@seankrkovich2869 Exactly! RU-vid in its infamous wisdom has decided to run an ad FOR Mormonism just before the satire ABOUT Mormonism. I've noticed on Ex JW sites they will run an add about receiving the Watchtower magaizne and having your friendly Jehovah's Witness give you a call. You're seeing Ephesians 6:12 at work.
LOL..."ticket stub to shark boy & lava girl" & "afraid of your mother more than the wrath of God... does that make me a bad person, no it just makes you Irish" 😂 love the humorous punch lines mixed with the truth of salvation in Christ.
It's a misleading video. He only references Paul's letters to those who were already Christian, had already been saved: keep the faith no amount of helping old ladies cross the street can save you. He misconstrued that as being the method people *become* Christian or *become* saved which isn't the case. In fact, it sounds almost identical to what gnostics taught. In every Biblical example in the New Covenant we have of the Gospel being taught and salvation occuring it contains the command to both repent and be baptized. Those who believe (beleif) what they teach (Messiah is come, repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins) are immediately baptized and continue in the faith that Jesus is Lord and strive for a life of keeping with repentance. *That* is how conversion works. Read Acts 2, 8, and 10
First, before you say Christ did all this stuff (what I do not know), first prove the Jesus character was real. Get over that one first, then you could talk about how Jesus survived room temperature death and rigor mortis, then flew away without the aid of technology.
@@troy3456789Surely if God is allpowerful, He controls all laws of physics and has the ability to act in against them if He so wishes. Don't need a fancy science degree to figure that one out, don't ya Patrick😂
""Do your best and God will do the rest" isn't a Gospel promise. It's a guarantee of eternal condemnation. " AMEN!!! I love these guys. I'm getting addicted to watching these videos so much the next time I witness I'm going to end my sentences with "Patrick"
No it is actually what Jesus taught. The problem with Lutherans is that they are too focused on Romans and Paul. Paul was dealing with self righteous Judaizers who were putting an impossible gospel on good Christians. Luther was dealing with a Catholic church with an impossible gospel. Mormons do not expect you to be perfect in this life, but we do expect you to do your best. If you fail to do your best, get off your rear and try again. God wants you to improve, not be stagnate just because you say the magic born again prayer.
@@iloveutah5584 That's not salvation you're describing. You're describing sanctification. Which happens as a result of being saved. Faith is dead if it doesn't produce fruits. But it isn't the fruits that save you but the God, because of your faith. I'm sure I made some terminology errors but I hope you get what I mean.
@@iloveutah5584 what do you do with the fact that Joseph Smith was a false prophet in a literal sense in that he made prophesies that did not come true. Such as the temple that did not get built in accordance with the timeline he prophesied. Also Jesus did not return when Joseph said he would. So hes a false prophet. I'm not sure how you get around that.
@@iloveutah5584 It is not what Christ taught. We can never be good enough, holy enough or righteous enough to merit salvation. The scripture says that all our righteousness are as filthy rags to God. It took the sacrifice of Christ and his shed blood on the cross to pay the price for our sinfulness. There is no "magic born again prayer", but you must confess your sin and acknowledge you are a sinner and accept that you can't save yourself through being good and nice or doing things for others. You must accept and believe in Jesus and what he did. Then you will be saved. Faith in his sacrifice on the cross, not your good deeds or being a good church member, or doing missionary service. Should we do good works? Absolutely! We are supposed to continue to grow and mature in our Christian walk. But do not trust in those things for salvation. They do not save you. Only Christ and his work of redemption on the cross does that. I pray for you. I pray Christ will open your eyes and heart to his truth instead of the false truth, false prophets and false gospel you currently follow. May God bless and keep you.
Christ isn't here to save us in our sins. He's here to save us from our sins. As a Latter day saint myself, while the scripture was misunderstood, we do believe that Christ's atonement is meant to transform us, and how can we be transformed through Christ if we don't CHOOSE to follow Him. How can we follow Christ without works?
@@owlblocksdavid4955 Abide in Christ: John 15: "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." When you trust Jesus alone for your salvation the Holy Spirit indwells you. It is HE who sanctifies and cleanses you from your sins. He changes the desires of your heart so that your sins really bother you, your conscience becomes very active, and you pray constantly that God will remove them (which he does, but not all at once). He produces good fruit: love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness, faithfulness, righteousness, and self-control. These fruits propel you toward good works. Then you're able to show unconditional love and obey the commandments. There's no such thing as personal worthiness because it all comes from God, from salvation to sanctification to good works. It's all an act of his grace. Only God is worthy. That's why he alone is the object of worship. We owe him everything. Reading the word of God every day and praying often keep you strong in your faith, helps you to resist temptation, and discern the will of God. How can we be transformed if we don't choose to follow Christ? James 2 says that faith without works is dead. Works is the evidence of your faith. If you have no fruit, then you're not in Christ. He said, "Apart from me you can do nothing." A fruit cannot ripen unless it's attached to the vine. If you're not following Christ, then where is your faith (rhetorical question)? Our part involves submitting to the will of God, to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, but it's always in his strength, not ours.
@@brendanray3186 It's in the Bible: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9 The whole book of Romans carries this theme as well. We cannot save ourselves. We cannot add to our salvation. The Bible says that if we try to add our works to God's grace then we put ourselves under the law, being obligated to fulfill all of it. It also says that if we do that then grace is no longer grace. Martin Luther did not make this up. He put the whole focus of doctrine on the scriptures alone, rather than on man-made teachings (i.e. the Church). This is what was taught by the apostles who actually were taught by Jesus directly. If any Roman Catholic or mormon, etc. teaches anything contrary then it ought to be cast away as garbage.
@@owlblocksdavid4955 Your works can't save you. Believing in God and in Jesus Christ can Save you. Believing in a religion can't save you Mormonism is a deadly viper that poisons true Chritianty. The Holy Bible is the one and only Scriptures from God The BoM is Fiction and will always be Fiction Peace
Mormonism teaches that God the father was once human like us, was created by another god ( who is one of trillions of gods) had to work his way up to godhood, and that we can become gods ourselves if we do everything right. I know this cause I used to be a mormon. Anyways your next video should be about that.
The LDS Church teaches a lot of things which without context seem outlandish yet given the research (which critics consistently fail at), you'll see it does all make sense.
@@owlblocksdavid4955 an incorrect misconstruing of your doctrine would be a correct construing of your doctrine. So either you admit the validity of the depiction of Mormonism in this video, or else you really need to work on your word choice. ...Patrick.
As a Latter-Day Saint, I agree with everything Donall and Conall said. The problem here is the misinterpretation of Nephi 25:23. The sentiment that we must do all we can do to be saved is, of coarse, wrong. It is church doctrine that our own abilities are insufficient for salvation. What the scripture is trying to say is that even if some one exhausted all their efforts; grace is what saves them, not their own works. This sentiment is repeated(much more clearly) through out the Book of Mormon and the Bible(which we also believe). In short this video is great, it shoots down a false doctrine and establishes the true nature of grace. I may even use this video in a Sunday school lesson to explain all of this.
@@TheRastacabbage I'm not clear on what you're saying. As I read it; you're either saying that salvation is not a function of our effort (which I whole-heartedly agree with), or that there's no use doing anything (which I would disagree with).
Yeah, I think the real intent of the latter half of Nephi (whether given to us by God or a disillusioned false prophet) is to denounce the idea that a serial child rapist is saved simply because he announced his belief in the grace of God, and to clarify that everybody has a chance at repentance, not just "the elect." These were very clearly troublesome doctrines to whoever wrote the book, and are both visited upon quite frequently throughout the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is very clear who the people that suffer Hell are: not the unsaved, but rather the unrepentant. Exaltation is a matter of establishing an eternal habit of repentance, to the point that you can reach the limits your Father imagined for you when He created you. That is why doing your best is important. People aren't inherently good or bad. They're people. And if they want to be good, they have to choose that. Hell isn't punishment from God, but by our own consciousness. That is why those who don't try to repent and change are (to the despair of the BoM's authors) condemned.
raised in sandy utah here, my mother frequently still says "oh my heck" I've not heard that phrase uttered by one of my own generation or younger, born 91'
I was a Mormon missionary in Minnesota. Guess which religion was the least Christian and the rudest? The Lutherans. By their fruits ye shall know them.
@VDMA LCMS My first lent in my life is currently on... I am so happy following Jesus. Thank you for your prayers, they helped certainly as I got a lot of support from catholic family members.
Love your episodes...especially the theologically rigorous ones! I’d like to see Conall and Donall confront evangelical antagonism against the Blessed Virgin especially as it regards her role as theodocus! Thanks 😊
Can't confront imaginary enemies. Not placing Mary on some kind of syncretic pedestal isn't antagonistic. People with weird oedipian hang-ups just wrongly think that properly seeing Mary as a sinner in need of grace (or saying she had children) qualifies as antagonistic.
@@FalconOfStorms if you deny Mary as the Mother of God, you are denying that Jesus was fully God. This was the heresy of Nestorius, and his way of thinking eventually led to Muslims who downgraded Jesus to a mere prophet. Oh, and the BIBLE places her on a "pedestal" when it declares her to be blessed among women. And she even says that all generations will call her blessed....except for evangelicals apparently. They don't care one bit about the Blessed Mother of God.
@@FalconOfStorms right....what I said is that Mary is the MOTHER of God. You ignored what I said about Nestorius. To deny that Mary is the Mother of God is to deny that Jesus is the hypostatic union of God and man, which places you OUTSIDE of Christian theology.
@@smitty121981 Of course Mary is the mother of God. Catholicism just has a creepy syncretic spin on that where they treat her as a minor deity. in B4 BuT iT's JuSt VeNeRaTiOn
In James 2 James' discussion is about how you know someone has living faith, in other words how you know someone's profession of faith is real and not fake. He says "what good is it if someone SAYS they have faith but they don't have works? Can that faith save them?" And the answer to that is obviously no. James then gives a comparison, "What good is it if someone comes to you in need of food, shelter and clothing and you tell that person 'Be warm and well fed', but you don't provide for their needs?" Basically James is saying if someone is in need of clothing, food and shelter and they come to you and you say "be warm and well fed" and you slam the door in their face, you're lying. Why? Because you didn't mean what you said. It's the same with our faith. If someone professes to know Christ but there's no pursuit of holiness on their life, no love for God at all, no repenting of sin and turning to Christ (aka good works) then that person doesn't know Christ and their profession is a lie. What James is not saying is that good works are necessary for salvation, but rather he is implying that good works are the fruit/evidence that we've been saved. If someone truly knows Christ, then there life will show it because Jesus changes those whom He saves.
Jacob Garcia Dang. I was looking for a commentary on James 2 on reddit, went off track, found this channel, then this video and here I am... with a commentary on James 2 and the clarification I needed. God works in mysterious ways?
Your interpretation is incorrect. “Save” in the James 2:14 context does not mean “save from eternal death,” it means to be saved from the consequences of “temporal“ circumstances due to a dead faith. A dead faith is still faith, and the passage is written to Christians who were not living like they should have been living. It is quite possible to believe in Christ and get pulled away because the flesh is weak and therefore not produce visible fruit, yet still remain a child of God, granted - a child of God that will not have a seat at the marriage supper of the Lamb, yet still enter heaven because at some point in his life he believed in The Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life.
@Phillip Hickman thank you. I enjoyed those recordings will have to track them down further now (I've already got Vincent Price reciting Edgar Alan Poe, so I'm assuming he was reading TS Elliott therein _as pontiff Francis_ . fascinating nonetheless the betwixt said actors skills are related to as well with other religious leaders of historical & regional significance. I digress.
@@juice2307 Silly, Papist-- works are for your neighbor, and are the evidence of you faith is "alive and kicking." That's all James was saying. No matter what you do, you can never make yourself worthy, including 1 x 10^Quintillion years in Purgatory! Gifts are not earned, by definition, right? Peace, brother!
@@travist7777 Careful there, you’re gonna step into some Calvinism if you take that idea to its conclusion. Better to just say that love= the works James talks about, and the works Paul talks about are works of the law, a totally different kind of “work”. As Paul says, faith that moves mountains, without love, is nothing. On the final day, many will talk to the Lord of the great faith they had, and he will say to them “I do not know you.” Those who know the Son do the will of the Father, which are the works of love, the works of abiding in Christ. No one can merit eternal life, nor works. The ability to do good comes from grace, but it is by our own free will that we cooperate in that grace. To not cooperate by choice is to not abide in Christ. Those who do not abide in Christ are cut off of the tree, even if they themselves were grafted. All of this is in sacred scripture. Peace to you brother, be careful about the idea that we don’t have to say yes to God and comply with his grace (which is the Catholic Church’s position, Pelagianism is a condemned heresy) it leads to Calvinism, because if we cannot choose to reject or comply, then we are all double predestined, and nothing matters. That, would be against the gospel and God’s will that all come to repentance through their own choice. Edit: Also, purgatory is just for final purification for those that died in friendship with Christ but still have impurities that must be cleansed. As Revelation says, “nothing unclean may enter the kingdom of heaven”.
Love this! But, I'm not sure that spending two whole hours praying is the best way to love God. Jesus warned against "vain repetitions" after all, and the prayer He gave us to pray (which we refer to as the Lord's Prayer) is very short and sweet, and addresses all the things we should ask of God while giving him praise. Not a huge deal, just something I thought I'd share
@Paddy Mcgill "For by grace have you been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them" (Ephesians 2: 8-10). That one says not of works. You ae probably referring to James 2:24 which says: "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." So either Paul and James are contradicting one another or, as the context of James 2 and Ephesians 2: 10 indicate, works are the proof of our faith. Read James 2: 18-23 where it talks about how Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness and how his works perfected that faith and demonstrated that it was real. As for me becoming a Catholic, in Galatians Paul condemned the Judizers for adding one thing to the Gospel (circumcision). The Catholic church added a bunch, like all the penances and sacrament without which no one can be saved. None of those penances or sacraments are in the Bible (except baptism and communion, I guess) and 1 Corinthians 4:6 says not to go beyond what is written. If these sacraments were necessary for salvation, why does 2 Timothy 3:17 say that the scriptures make one "...adequate, equipped for every good work." Are the sacraments of the Catholic church good works? Can they save you by doing them? if they could, they would be in the Bible.
@Paddy Mcgill It doesn't seem like you actually read my initial reply. Ephesians 2:8-9 clarifies that we are saved by grace through faith and not of works. The phrase "not of works" here does not include any reference to the mosaic law, as you mentioned. That's because Paul didn't draw a distinction between works that justify and works that don't. He repeatedly says that nothing we do is responsible for our salvation. Also, read James 2 and consider it in its context. James is talking about how true faith comes with works. Works demonstrate that our faith is real. Finally, to your point that "We can only earn Salvation by God’s Grace but we must work on our Salvation," the fact that you think that WE can earn it contradicts the definition of grace, even if We EARN by grace. As Romans 11:6 says: "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of work, otherwise grace is no longer grace." I know Catholics rely on both God's grace and their works, but the two are mutually exclusive. Like Romans 4:4-5 says: "Now to the one who works , his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness." (those verses were applied to Abraham as an example. He existed before the ceremonial Jewish law.) That's not to say that you can just believe, get saved, and then keep on sinning. That's were James 2 comes in. I encourage you to read it through and it should be clear. As to why Luther added the word "alone," This channel made a pretty good video about that.
That Nephi passage has nothing to do with works. It's a reference to the law of Moses. If you actually read the entire chapter, Nephi mentions being saved by grace alone right before it. Mormons do not believe that works save us, but works are needed for exhalation.
With all respect, as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Sants, this don't hurt my faith at all, just show how other do think that understand the doctrine of god given by the olds and the news prophets and actualy don't, but dosen't matter, this should't be a man discution by knowleg and phylosophy, but by the Spirit of God, who Can light all truth. Sorry by my bad english, I am a brazilian, and we never Should discriminate no one by their faith, all of us are doing our best to recive the Grace of God that comes from the attoinment of Christ.
But, works do count for something, "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12) and "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:14). Jesus makes it very clear that we don't earn salvation by our works, but we can loose our salvation by our lack of works (Matthew 7:21-23). We cannot hope to be happy in heaven if we continually choose hell in this life.
Jacob Smith I have, and it isn't in the context of Salvation, since it's written to "brethren", i.e. the already saved. It's written in the context of service to the Lord, and justification before men. Scripture cannot contradict. Romans 4:5 says " But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness" That means works aren't required for salvation.
+SoCalExile Let me pose a question. Do you agree with Martin Luther's statement that "Even if a man commits fornication and murder every day of his life, it matters not as long as he has faith." You believe that a person like that can enter into the Kingdom of God? I think not. The very thought is ludicrous. As Good Saint James put it, faith without works is dead. Faith must be proven through good works and through the Sacraments. If one claims to have faith and yet sins left and right without any penace, I do not believe The Blessed Virgin will intercede for then, and Nor will they be excepted into God's Kingdom.
I heartily agree that sin, by definition, means "not doing your best". But Christians also insist that we "can't do good" because of original sin. So it would seem that we are, in fact, doing our best?
@@ZeddicusTheMage ? I don't always keep up with my RU-vid comments (I've found it's good for my mental health not to get to sucked into internet arguments) but was there some comment I missed?
Some would argue spending time watching Sharkboy and Lavagirl is a damnable offense in and of itself :p. In regards to good words, of what value are goods done without the grace of God? Works done to the glory of anyone but God, without agod, is chaffe.
Saved through grace? Absolutely. Through faith alone? No. "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." James 2:24. It's clear why Luther tried to remove this book from scripture; the Truth disagreed with him.
Sebastian Medina They do compliment each other ;). But it is still clear from scripture we are not saved only through our faith. And it still begs the question: What was it about the Book of James did Luther disagree with so badly that he was going to remove an inspired book of God?
The Theology Q&A I've read James 2 and I imagine Martin Luther did too. I only cited one verse, but you may be right, the entire chapter must have threatened his theology.
The Theology Q&A The verse is relevant to my point in that it disproves a vital tenet of Luther's theology. I believed I used it in context correctly. Of course, to interpret this chapter correctly, you must observe how it uses three terms: faith, works, and justification. Once you understand the meaning of these terms, you can understand the theology of the passage and understand how it is harmonious with the theology of other New Testament passages.
You're misrepresenting what that scripture is saying. Just a few verses before it says, it could be better understood with this scripture. Ether 12:27, "And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them". Nephi is already implying that the reader is trying to do better to follow Jesus christ or in other words, repent. But even while trying, we'll always fall short because we're all imperfect. All you can do is implying what you have done, then Jesus, through his grace saves you despite that all you could do wasn't enough. That's the beauty of it. But even then, it still shows that faith requires action, just go open your Bible to James 2.
I believe there is a misunderstanding here, the Lord does not say to spend all your days solely in prayer or solely in service, though he did himself. He mentions lots of thing not explicitly either of those that we should do. This leads to the fallacy that all are doomed because we are not all mindless praying working automatons serving the one next to us. The lord gives inspiration to do more than that, so say the lord wants you to see a movie, he sees the value for your salvation in watching that movie, even if it is not one of the prior two given activities
What does "covered" mean. From what I can tell, Luther believed that even after Christians accept Christ, they'll still be incurably depraved. He even seems to think that that in heaven, Christ hides the depravity of saved people there to help God the Father ignore it. How is that compatible with believing that the Holy Ghost sanctifies us? What does "sanctification" mean if it doesn't imply going from an unholy state to a holy one?
Don't listen to slander, the world will hate you and mock you if you love the true Jesus Christ. He calls you Blessed for being mocked for His namesake. Never let words from the world define your identity, your identity and worth is in Christ and nobody can take it away!
@@spencerburgess3689 my father is Chris. His father is Joe. My father's father's father, I do not know because I'm behind the 8 ball on genealogy, among other things. Yes, there is a lot of repenting on my path needing done... Be that as it may, don't act like your shit don't stink. Everyone has their demons to battle and going by your _holier than thou_ attitude, suggests your sins are ever more egregious than my own. So in short, you worry about you, I'll worry about me. Kindly so ever, fuck off. Thanks.
Ha. That is a pretty funny satire of how people who can’t understand scripture think a discussion with missionaries will go. I think it was a little subtle though, most people in the comments don’t seem to get it.
"You could just believe that mankind is saved by Grace alone through faith alone ... " Wait, what? "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? .... Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (James 2:14-22) You seem to confuse two things : 1) between the works of the law (i.e. the requirements of the Law of Moses) and the works of righteousness, and 2) between being saved from spiritual death and being saved from physical death. 1) The Law of Moses needed to be replaced as it was worthless to save anyone; it was but a reminder of the Lamb of God to come, which He did come and had to be fulfilled (Matthew 5:17) through the atoning sacrifice of the Son, even Jesus Christ (John 19:30). After this, the Savior taught to baptize every nation in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19), as even Jesus said that the requirement to enter the Kingdom of God was from being born again through the waters of baptism (John 3:5). Being baptized and being born again of the spirit is part of the works required by faith (Titus 3:5, see Matthew 3:15). 2) Being saved from "physical death" (i.e. mortality) is a free gift, while being saved from "spiritual death" requires righteousness. In other words, if you believe in Christ, but are not being righteous, you do not have faith in Christ; both are required. Well, this took more then 40 seconds, but I'm fine with it.
But is God fine with it? When you worship a false god that was once a man and came from another planet and follow a false 'Jesus' who is the brother of Lucifer you have a false salvation. Virtually everyone will experience physical death. Ten out of ten people die. Being saved from spiritual death is a free gift. No righteousness is required. Titus 3:5 he saved us-not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to his mercy-through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Galatians 2:16 and yet because we know that a person is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we ourselves have believed in Christ Jesus. This was so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified. Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness. ************ John 3:5 does not speak of Christian baptism. Christian baptism did not exist until after Jesus Christ ascended. If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized? Jesus rebukes Nicodemus in John 3:10 by asking him: “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not understand these things?” This implies that what Jesus had just told him was something Nicodemus should have known and understood from the Old Testament. What is it that Nicodemus, as a teacher of the Old Testament, should have known and understood? It is that God had promised in the Old Testament a time was coming in which He would: “sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.” (Ezekiel 36:25-27). Jesus rebuked Nicodemus because he failed to recall and understand one of the key Old Testament passages pertaining to the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:33). Nicodemus should have been expecting this. Why would Jesus have rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding baptism considering the fact that baptism is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament?
So the main problem is the phrase "after all we can do"? If you weren't busy trying to dishonestly twist the words of another against them, you would really try to answer the question, "what is all we can do?" Ask any mormon that question and they will not say, "live our lives perfectly and always make the exact right decision".That is impossible for us and is beyond the scope of "all we can do" because we can't do it. This alone renders your dishonest attempt at being clever useless. But this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what you don't understand about mormon "teology". You ignore what the verse actually says when it declares, "for we know that it is by grace that we are saved". So even after all we can do, it is by grace that we are saved. You read that as though it says, "for we know that it is by grace [and all we can do] that we are saved". But the "all we can do" is never referred to as anything that saves us. Mormons and protestants generally don't actually disagree about grace being what saves. What the real disagreement is over is "what is faith?" Mormons believe faith will lead you to more actions than others. Churches run all up and down the gamut for how many acts demonstrate faith. This talking point is ridiculous and tired and needs to end. Additionally according to mormon "teology" no one will spend an eternity bathing in sulfur. I figured this was a fair response since nitpicking at stupid minor points seems to be your thing.
True! According to its teachings insteada being tortured forever n ever the Mormons just reach the wicked live sadly after and are servants. Still false. The wages of sin is {still} death,not life.
No, while sulfur has nothing to do with it, spiritual death is still there for a few sons of perdition. Like Cain. But you're right, we don't believe in the conventional view of hell. The main punishment isn't punishment, but an inability to be more than what we end up being, for all eternity.
“there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ, of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved.” (2 Nephi 25:20) coincidentally, only 3 verses earlier can we learn the context of the verse represented. 2 Nephi 25:23 does *not* state that salvation by grace must be accompanied by a complete exhaustion of all possible opportunities to be holy, but rather that even if someone used every second of their life in service to God, it is still only because of The Christ that we may be saved. This idea is further reinforced in the other books included in the compilation Book of Mormon, and of course in the Bible that the LDS church holds as holy scripture, and even further expanded upon in the Doctrine & Covenants. I discovered Donell and Conell only this morning, and after binging every episode of it I could find, I am in love with the series. Even if I don’t think the argument displayed here is in any shape or form a fair or even compelling one, I still do love the humor and I’m not so spineless that I can’t laugh at myself or my beliefs for the sake of humor. Again, a very well made video!
The self-phallating bible thumping aside, this was actually pretty damn funny. I like the ginger tweedle-dee tweedle-dum thing going on; it's a charming visual.
Though I'm a Reformed Baptist and recognize the Mormon group to be a cult, I'm not sure that this line of argument is at all convincing. The reasoning here supposes that we cannot love God with all our hearts whilst enjoying some recreation, which of course is not true. Whether you eat or drink do it all to the glory of God..what matters at a given point in time is not whether I'm feeding the poor or going to play football what matters is that in these things I'm recognising God as the fountain of all goodness from whom all blessings flow. So I don't think those illustrations really work. Blessings
@drinkvernors1 Yes except they do not understand Mormonism. Saved to a Mormon means getting out of temporary Hell, living again with a glorified body, and being assigned to a Kingdom of glory. Mormons believe while you may be saved by grace through faith alone, it does not guarantee you the highest reward or the Celestial glory. See Corinthians 15.
Cat the Turtle I'm just joking that they changed the book of Mormon because they have done that before. Like after seeing this video they change that specific part, or something like that.
It's interesting how this channel uses arguments and pseudo interpretations the same way atheists do with the Bible. Of course that when it says "do your best" it doesn't mean you are going to help the others literally continually ultil you fall off dead by starvation or exaustion. It's said in Jaimes 2: 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. Having faith is not about knowing of Christ, cry for forgiveness when you do something wrong and expect that's enought. You actually have to try. And that video doesn't really make sense as people are not perfect so they can literally act for the others every singles moment.
Kevin Wanderlan Your comment caught my eye, so would you mind if I offer a reply? You are correct in that none of us are perfect, therefore none of us could ever do everything in a perfectly “other-focused” and selfless way. But therein lies the proof that we do act selfishly and are self-centered many, many times. So, as Jesus said, unless our righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, we are doomed (Matthew 5.20). As Paul said, salvation is by grace, through faith, and not of ourselves, nor any of the works that we might do, otherwise we could say, “look, what I have done!“
Building on Anthony Baker's comment: Yes, James says that faith without works is dead. Both in the context of the book of James, and in the context of the Bible as a whole, the meaning is fairly clear: if you truly grasp what Jesus has done for you, you will strive to serve and honor him in gratitude. Good works, if you will. If you don't have works, it shows that you have at best seriously misunderstood the gospel. But James never says that works will save you, nor does anyone else in the Bible. Yet Mormonism teaches that our works are required for salvation, that if we do all the good we can do, and only if we do all the good we can do, then God will fill the parts that we can't do. It shifts the motivation for works from something we do in joy, gratitude, and obedience to something that is required for us to even begin to approach God. That is what this video is addressing-- not the need for Christians to demonstrate their changed lives and live out their faith, but the faulty theology that states that believers must earn their salvation. And yes, you are right that people are not perfect, so they cannot act for others every single moment. That's the whole point. Because if you follow Mormonism to its logical conclusion, you end up with that as the requirement. But that's impossible, which is exactly why that premise isn't comforting at all.
Please tell us more about how the penalty for sin is death, when if you go to Hell you burn forever, never becoming smoke/ashes (a contradiction of Malachi 4:3 and 2 Peter 2:6 and Psalm 37:20). Please tell me more about how the lake of fire is the second death if you never die when you enter the lake of fire. I'd like you to explain that one Patrick.
Clearly the idea of hell being some eternal torment is non-Biblical, and based on the false doctrine of the immortality of a conscious soul, which is contradicted in Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 9:10 and Ezekiel 18:4, as well as by Christ Himself in Matt 10:28. There are also more scriptures than you have quoted about the alternative to righteousness leading to life being sin leading to death, including Psalm 145:20 and Deut 30:19. Christ Himself referred to death as sleep on multiple occasions, so it must be a state of unconsciousness. Not only that, but no-one has gone to heaven as per John 3:13, and those who are Christ's will arise when? At the last day, as per John 6:44, John 5:2, 1 Thess 4:16-17, 1 Corinthians 15;22-23.
