I think a very plausible inspiration for the Monkey Queen that's been overlooked is Guanyin. There's a lot here: Guanyin is the Buddha of mercy and compassion, and there's even a tale involving her and a white parrot. More specifically, in Journey to the West, it's Guanyin who creates the golden crown and puts it on Sun Wukong, and she sends him on the titular journey with the end goal that she will remove the collar at the end. So we not only have a parallel for the Monkey Queen sending Wilbur away, and the crown, but we even have a parallel to the Monkey Queen being the one who reverses the wonkey curse on player characters. She has mercy upon the cursed characters and rewards them for reaching the end of their "journey" - handing her enough bananas. She refers to the bananas as "gold", too, which would normally just be a "haha, monkeys love bananas" joke, but with everything else and the other references to Journey to the West, I think becomes pretty significant.
I like this alot more than slasher's theory on their relationship being of a conflict alot of assumptions there. I like that idea of him being sent out by the queen because he's the smartest one
Hey. Don't forget that the WX-78 short is not the only place where you can see a monkey in the real world. The monkey appeared in the short film about Wes, and they are also mentioned in the Willam Carter puzzle, where they are described as getting out of the van. They are also featured on the Wolfgang poster. I always thought that Wilbur was a real-world trained ape that got into the Constant.
What about the monkey from Wes' short? While he doesn't have a crown, he is dressed in red with a hat Maybe Wilber is part of the same monkey money making shtick where they dance for money Wilber could've been exposed to shadow magic to make him smarter.
That baby monkey could’ve grown up to be that monkey in Wes’s short which is why he had a connection to people and shadow magic and also being unable to speak 😨
Another semi-useless side note: Walani's a pirate, she mentions it in some of her examine quotes, off the top of my head the Cutlass examine, but I know there's more, there's a real chance that Walani was another surviving member of Woodlegs' crew, which would explain her what seems to be depression, shown again in some examine quotes, she's not laid-back because that's just who she is, she's laid-back because her friends and crew are all dead and she just doesn't care anymore, and while it's possible, she likely still hasn't seen Woodlegs so to her, everyone she used to know is dead
i expect if we ever get woodlegs in dst, even though it is unlikely, his animation would be wilbur releasing him, and then him somehow making his way to the mainland
Here's another thing monkey's (from shipwrecked and those in ruins) transform into shadow monkeys when it's nightmare fase makes sense woodlegs would like wearing night armour
I just like to think Wilbur is just a normal monkey. But a monkey raised in captivity, he could possibly be one if the escaped circus monkies in one of the newspapers.
My theory is that he's the monkey seen with wagstaff, probably an early test into the portal by wagstaff, because he probably trained wilbur certain things it would allow him higher intelligence which would help him become monkey king. The monkeys would view him as a benefit as he'd be teaching them things which would aid in their growth as well. He might have been thrown out, due to how his influence had helped them grow. the monkey queen appears (with my very limited knowledge of monkeys, i admit) to be an orangatan. This would mean her strength and size would benefit her greatly as a force of power. They might not have a proper 'relationship" in that regard, as it may simply be wilbur was gaining influence and this upset the queen greatly, so he was thrown out.
I like how this theory ties the Chinese mythology references in the multiplayer game with the character symbolism in the single player game. Really good work.
(I'm not pretty good in English so here is might be some spelling mistakes)So. When spider was brought in real world by Wagstaff(like for experimenting with merging constant creatures and other, maybe werbber's dad was good assistant for Wagstaff)he attacked human and Webber was born. So it means that somehow Wagstaff can make creatures merge with other creatures or even a human. And I guess almost every creature in the constant is merge of two creatures like:catcoons, goosemoose and many many others like... pirate monkey. Maybe... Just maybe... Wagstaff really helped with making the constant. And we don't know much about who really made constant and how. And Wagstaff maybe helped with it much(at least with creatures). I want to sleep so I can't think like normal human. That means it's all I have for now.
I would like both Wilbur and Woodlegs in dst. Woodlegs would probably have to have some changes because of the way sailing is changed but I think he would work good.
I think you should to a video on the ghosts of Don't Starve, because I don't think that they're human, and a part of your theory of woodlegs's crew relies on the fact that they were in Don't Starve, where they might have been from outside of it.
If we get two other unique monkeys, the monkeys might actually be a reference to the four special monkeys in Chinese mythology The wise monkey (sun wukong) The Six eared Monkey The Red-Bottomed Horse Monkey And The Long-Armed Ape Monkey
So cool video, but, as a person that haven´t a perfect level of english, I didn´t understand all of the theory, so bad luck for me, because this theories can be the real lore of Don´t Starve, good luck if you´re going to make more of this videos!
I always took Wilbur for an earth monkey rather than a Constant monkey. Wolfgang's circus that crashed with William Carter's train had a cage of highly trained monkeys in it. Most of them wore fez's but I suppose its likely their best monkey would wear a little crown. The William Carter puzzles has a news article saying the monkeys escaped. static.wikia.nocookie.net/dont-starve-game/images/5/50/William_Carter_Puzzle_4.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20150502152049 "A passenger train struck a circus wagon that had broken down along the tracks at the Old Mill crossing. Dozens of passengers were injured, and at least one man is missing. The missing man has yet to be identified, but fellow passengers described him as a tall, nervous fellow with an English accent. A search party was convened but quickly abandoned when it became apparent that a [Second column begins after tear in the first column] cage full of potentially dangerous trained monkeys had been vacated in the collision. Given the remoteness of the crash site, the scorching desert sun, and the escaped animals, the missing man has been presumed dead." My theory is that Wilbur was a circus monkey with Wolfgang and he had a run in with Maxwell during the crash. Maxwell may have panicked and sucked him into the constant. A highly trained monkey grown up around humans, naturally, would mentally dominate wild monkeys.
i like how wilbur and the other survivors (walani, woodlegs) of shipwrecked choose to live in the tropical paradise instead of the desolate forest or hamlet, warly being different cause he doesn't prefer living anywhere, warly only gains his portable seasoning and portable grinding mill in the desolate forest, probably cause shipwrecked was how he learned to survive the constant, while the other shipwrecked survivors thrive in the environment
@@godofamphibiansi dont even watch matpat for his game theories anymore, they're too much to handle. Food theory is at least decent(though by no means a concrete source)
24:30 skeleton key or bone key is a tool used to unlock "any" lock, which makes sense why pirates would own one, which they died from quacken which is why its in a watery grave iron key is from quacken which has a kill count on pirates and clearly hoards their loot (which they leave as a reward not to kill them) yarrctopus wouldve come across the gold key naturally, or obtained it from trading with the pirates while they were still alive, they dont have a use for the item so they put it up for trade, bartering treasure for it.
Ay slasher doubt you'll see this but I just wanna let you know your videos bring me joy and I've been watching for a good while so I wish you well and I support you!
Interesting theory! I do wonder tho, maybe that pirate faction was the one to make the volcano altar of snackcrifice, or at the very least the obsidian workbench? Those two estructures have always been kinda... there, no explanation whatsoever, and at least the workbench is supossed to be a parallel to the ancient stations on the ruins, yet there has never been a shipwrecked parallel to the ancients themselves. Maybe that's why both structures are in the volcano, the same place where Woodlegs is caged in
@@sud1881 Yes, but there still is no explanation for the obsidian workbench, as that theory talked more about the altar and it's connection the gnaw and, consecuently, to the merms, yet the workbench is still a mystery. Also, Woodlegs.
I just love it Today i finnished mark of the ninja another klei game And saw how far they could think And now here we have slasher putting together a somewhat competent lore series and talking bout a 8x immortal monkey May i remind you 5/or idk time ago ma man was making op guide on (insert character) in hamlet and early DST
Did Wickerbottom have the Codex Umbra before Maxwell? Maxwell's train was going from New York to San Francisco. We know from Winnona's trailer that Wickerbottom's library was in New York. We know from Wickerbottom's trailer that she has a secret section of the library that with a lot of knowledge and items regarding shadows and nightmares (including a doll of Willow?). Why would Wickerbottom be transporting the Codex Umbra to San Francisco? Was she going to confer with the spiritualists that Wendy turned too when trying to reconnect with Abigale's spirit? Probably a bit of a stretch.
@slasher342 I got a question for you: What is the connection between the shadows, the moon, the birds and the lycanthrops? Not just the werepigs but the werebeaver of earth. We KNOW Woodie was a werebeaver on earth because of Walter's short. What connection does the moon of earth have with this 'moon' of the constant? Why does monster meat, presumably a mutation made by nightmare fuel, trigger the lycanthropic curses? Woodie used to transform when chopping trees but something Wickerbottom taught him changed that to simply eating monster meat. WHAT DOES WICKERBOTTOM KNOW? Woodie's distrust of birds most likely came as a result of his curse. Did the birds curse him for chopping down their trees? Did the birds cause the werepig curse too? Can the birds channel the powers of the moon? When you help Wagstaff in the moonstorms you fight off waves of mutated crows and birds. Maxwell doesn't seem to know how crows got into the constant. Woodie thinks they spy on him. Why do canarys explode in the caves? If a male goose is called a gander does that imply that weregoose Woodie is female? Can weregoose Woodie lay an egg? If so, what would hatch from that egg? A weregoosling? THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS GOD DAMN IT.
Have you looked into possible connections with the Queen of the Moon Quay and the story of Chang'e, the Moon Goddess and Zhu Bajie? In the Journey to the West mythology, Zhu Bajie was cursed, banished to earth, and transformed into a pig-monster after attempting to seduce Chang'e. It's also notable that prior to that, he was a grand marshal in charge of 80,000 celestial marines - not pirates, but sorta close.
So I was thinking have you ever noticed how electricity seems to be tied to unnatural energy: I thought it was only Wagstaff's machines breaking but lighten seem to play a part the creation of the unnatural portal and although this probably wouldn’t count sense it strikes at touch stone as well but Webber a unnatural energy bond character when being restrained while you’re unlocking him
Some feedback I wanted to give about thise videos: I have an issue with the theory videos you make and its not the theories themselves but rather how you compile them. Also the video presentation adds to this problem. When I watch your theory videos what I notice is you start to talk about something and then go "to explain this we need to look at something else" and then go "to explain that we need to look at something else." And after a while I go "What am I even listening to anymore". It doesn't feel clear at all. Like when I imagine someone that is not familiar with dst I lore can definetly see them feeling like you are just mumbling random whatever at that point. Even I lose track of what the video was talking about from time to time. I like that the video is structured into parts but those parts are not clear enough and are half explained before going to the next part which after a while you go back to talk about a previous part. Things that could help with this are: - You could make a crime board type string connection as the video progresses to better see what is related to where ( or at least know where things are going without getting spoiled) - Structure in a chronological order like telling a story so the video is constant and there is no back and forth. -Put in key sentences or words and use them multiple times when talking about to same topic for getting our attention where you want exactly. -More and interesting visuals (too much black screen and png right now)
İ need a explanation on why th is there little gnaws(wormhole) in DST what are their purpose? Did maxwell just see gnaw and copied it but that wont explain why maxwell is confused in forge and gorge
Hypothetically say say, Weber wanted to make a friendship bracelet for a friend that function similar to a spider version of the cursed trinkets except you can take it off at any time and you only need one what would it take to makes that functional? Also can unnatural energy change things without needing to fuse them say like giving baby spiders arm, for example, in the place of one of their pairs of legs, and hypothetically if Those changed spiders were to bite another mob for say food would it fuse them or is the fusion only an effect when not already altered by the energy and imbued in them
I don't think it should be so funny complex, since for Wanda now we know the constant is a place out of time it must be that the pirate monkeys are just shipwreck monkeys but from the future and probably the moon quay is some related to Wilbur so they evolved into pirates because that's the ambient they live
Me as winona raiding monkey island with canon agains wooden sword and getting their food and forcing them to work on farm i made history repeating isnt it eh?
So wait,if we go by your theory the portal grabs souls of the dead from hell and devil itself since you mentioned beelzebub last theory and then mutates them into pirate monkeys
Honestly, I feel like every single anthro species in Don’t Starve has devolved or evolved versions, it’s so strange. Like, what makes this happen? Is it nightmare Fuel?
