[Doom Eternal] Bad Weapon Academy - Full Auto Shotgun 

Laugh at the full auto shotgun all you want, but if scout ever gets his hands on it he'll be unstoppable

Heavy's new minigun looks fucking sick. Can't wait for the update

My heart skipped a beat when I saw the thumbnail; I thought you had made Bad Weapon Academy: the Widowmaker. Edit: I may not play Doom Eternal, but this is still an awesome episode of BWA. Great work :)

I am really glad that the horizons of this series are widening considerably! Going beyond TF2 and discussing bad weapons from other games is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction for the series. BTW, the next one may be UAC Pistol from Doom 2016?

It was a pleasure working with you on the video, and I'm glad it turned out so well! :) I hope people remember even if people are saying the weapon is bad or worse or whatever phrase, if you're having fun using the weapon don't let the actual stats and top-level plays stop you from spray n' praying and just having fun.

I think the Full Auto shotty should've been a DPS based alternative to Super Shotgun which does more damage overtime instead of a finisher, it's more fitting for a minigun shotgun to shred a big demon all on its own.

Amazing work and high-quality as always Fish; also loving the direction BWA is taking, can’t wait to see what other games you explore in the future!

Blasphemy!!! No but really, really good video. Great work to you and bloodshot. One note about Fullauto is that the reason it came out a bit underwhelming initially is that since Doom Eternal is supposed to encourage weapon variety, they were worried about fullauto actually being too strong in the early game and ending up with a lot of new players just leaning on it instead of getting the message that variety is important. So they ended up over correcting.

And here's to FSoaS's future, becoming the TRUE bad weapon connoisseur.

I respect that they at least wanted to make some levels where full auto will shine above the others,it at least has a niche that the developers recognize

My -- somewhat derpy -- rework of the full auto: The ammo refund should be built in/be a base upgrade. 1/2 ammo consumption should be a mastery. You have to fire twice so you don't have half a shell but the fire rate is doubled so it's not a hinderance.

I love how it looks, in my experience it sucks until you get the mastery, then I like using it

Btw, fun fact about the the stickies. If you kill a demon with a headshot sticky, any demons hit with explosion will take headshot damage as well.

Best in this video is the moment when FishStick explaining why this weapon is not so bad when on backround is just blood fire hell and all of this with funny music

I always thought it was just me when I first started playing this game. I tuned out a lot of the talk surrounding this game because back then people still thought the Marauder was broken. But no, like, the Full Auto Mod really was just a bad Mod. It used up a ton of Ammo, the same Ammo you could be using on Sticky Bombs or Super Shotgun blasts, and despite being a "spray and pray" weapon premise it requires a lot more thought and consideration than the other weapon only made worse by the fact that it demands you get up close and personal with enemies without giving you that guaranteed stun from a Super Shotgun blast. Oh, and let's not forget: During the time of TAG 2's release, Hugo and team thought that the best way to get people to use this mod was to FORCE them to with Stone Imps. Unlike prior jumps in difficulty where tightly wound combat encounters were tightened even more and it felt ORGANIC, the addition of these gimmick enemies felt exactly like that: Annoying gimmicks that robbed you of your agency. I never bought into the criticism when people complained about Marauders. I never bought into the criticism of TAG 1's Blood Swamps or the Possessed Baron because the Microwave Beam already wasn't useless and could turn low Health enemies into immobilized nukes. But I could see their creativity heading in a sour direction with the Blood Makyrs and sure enough by TAG 2 they'd added in two lazy reskins of older Enemies; Stone Imps and Cursed Prowlers. Common theme with both enemies: They test your patience in ways that range from disgruntling to frustrating. If I had to recommend some changes, it'd be these: 1. Forget the stupid "Hold Right Trigger to ready the barrel". You bothered to equip the Full Auto Mod which consumes time. If that thing is equipped, make that fucker fire at Full Auto PASSIVELY. 2. After firing for some time, the Barrel begins overheating like the Chaingun but instead of stopping, the spread widens and Enemies hit are lit on fire to drop Armor. This way, you are rewarded to prolonged use of the weapon. 3. Up the Ammo gained from its Mastery by a TINY bit, even if the ratios go from x3/8/11 to x4/9/12.

Honestly the sticky bomb is the most effective option because of it being able to deal with cacodemons so effectively But you've piqued my interest with this

i love how Fish is such an exact gestalt of Jerma and RT right down to the move from TF2 to variety content lmao

I’ll be honest, I thought i wasn’t gonna like this but you have proved me wrong Fish. Like by a lot as this is now one of my favorite BWA video

Honestly I'm happy to see this series expand out into not just TF2 this series is gonna be given new life through this

Great work man! Can't wait to see what games come to this series!!

Genuinely hoping that this takes off, would love to see one on the microwave beam

I always use the combat shotgun with the stickybomb mod. The utility of the stickybomb far outweighs it. The combat shotgun is also my favorite weapon, because it does just enough damage on fodder to bring them into glory kill range, essentially making them mobile healthpacks.

Oh man, I'm loving how the horizons of the channel are expanding beyond TF2, and into one of my favorite FPS games in recent memory! If I were to make a suggestion for future episodes, how about the Doom 3 Shotgun, the Doom 2016 Pistol, the Doom Eternal Unmaykr, or, if you're really feeling spicy, the Mjolnir from Quake's Scourge of Armagon mission pack. I have no idea why, but that weapon in particular feels extremely off and I find myself using the fucking _axe_ instead of Mjolnir when I run out of ammo for other weapons. No matter what, the future of BWA looks incredibly bright, and I can't wait to see what else you have in mind for this series.

I've been obsessed with Doom Eternal recently, it's so great to see you talking about it!

Even though I know nothing about Doom Enternal, your style of explanation and footage really helped me digest the information and made this a really enjoyable watch

I can't wait for more games to be covered! This is awesome

I'm super excited to see the series branch out into games, and I look forward to seeing what games and weapons you cover next.

This was awesome! I hope this means we'll get videos about weapons from other games :D

Very nice to see a Bad weapon academy on another game, plus I love Doom Eternal ! Not only this video was very interesting and complete, but we also got nice footage in the background :)

I like the idea that replacing ammo Salvo or whatever it's called with restoring 1 ammo whenever a shot lands at least 85% of its pellets

Been watching for a year now, and I gotta say expanding bad weapon academy is extremely exciting. I can’t wait to see what you talk about next

I know very little about DOOM Eternal, and yet I was still so hyped to hear your analysis. Your style is always such a treat!

Oh man this is amazing! I love Doom so much, it’s so cool to see something like this on it! Maybe you could do the microwave beam next? Or a video about how the Chainsaw has conflicting design ideas, about whether it wants you to use it all the time, or to save up fuel and use it on bigger demons? Either way, I hope this video does well so you can keep branching out and making the content you want to!

Honestly, seeing BWA on other weapons in other games is really nice, can't wait for more

Good video and I’m glad to see that your branching out. Keep going with this kind of stuff because I love it.

This is an interesting new take on the series. I'm all for it. Keep up the good work!

The opening joke was probably my favourite in the series. Kinda want the series to expand to something like Borderlands or Deep Rock Galactic or something. Not needed, but an expansion is gonna be good in the long run.

Honestly it kinda surprised me how bad this mod was compared to the burst fire from Doom 2016, which was easily one of my favorite mods in that game. Just felt like it chunked enemies.

This is high quality fish keep up the great work!

Nice video, it definitely gave me a lot of insight on the full auto and Doom Eternal as a whole, and as a person who only knows Doom stuff from your drunk video, that's very impressive. Keep branching out, We will be sure to watch it.

Doom guy: so apparently making a shotgun into a machine gun wasn’t the best idea. Also this reminds how annoying low the ammo count eternal had.

Honestly, I’d love to see Fish do a BWA on all the Telekinesis Pins in NEO: The World Ends With You. They massively fucked them over from the original, to the point I don’t plan on using them if they don’t have a Pin Evolution

Loved the video man! I hope this endeavor works so you can escape the tftrap. looking forward to more content!

This subseries seems really promising! Keep it up! I always liked how you sprinkled Doom bits into regular vids

it is so awesome to see people who focused on tf2 branch out. good job with his one

Honestly... it’s my go-to for marauders (ssg-grenade-ballista-full auto). Outside of that? I use it sometimes for the weak demons between combat zones - but it’s outclassed by the stickies unless you’ve got the mastery. I’d say it’s not bad, just outclassed by everything but the unmakyr

The fact that I don’t even play doom and yet i stuck around for this really pleases me, because it tells me im not here for tf2, im here for your style of content

Absolute W way to expand a series, great job

Not gonna lie, the explosive shot from the shotgun remained one of my favorite weapons all the way through the entirety of both games, even when you have stronger options later. (just super satisfying to use) so yeah, full-auto just has lots of competition in all of its niches

I’ve never played a Doom game, but it was still entertaining and fun to watch another BWA, with a new game and meta to boot!

Been waiting forever for this thanks man

its good to see you open your channel to talk about more games

I'll fully admit that I never got on with Doom Eternal, but this was incredibly entertaining to watch! I'm not sure if you take requests (or even if you've played the game) but I'd be down to watch you do a video on Payday 2, specifically the Flamethrowers.

This video actually really helped me understand why I didn't like Doom Eternal. I always felt weird being one of the only ones. Thanks Fish.

Im so happy that someone helped you with the content ^⁠_⁠^

Now this is how you branch out well. This series exists on its own merits to the point where I haven't played a Doom game since the original but god damn I'm invested in seeing how to optimize this thing. Good work.

The full-auto shotgun has always had way worse bark than its bite. You see what is essentially an AA-12, think it’s really good, use it, and realize the devs did it dirty.

another bad weapon is unmaykr. Its spend BFG9000 ammo faster then him but kills less enemies. And full auto shotgun is fun when u activate cheats and start RATATATATATATATATATATATATATTAATTATATATATATATATATTATATATATATATATAT (chainsaw) RATATATTATATATATATATATTATATAt

I love this format

I actually like the idea of expanding to other games in this series Nice video man

Is it just me or does it look like the widowmaker?

At around 3 minutes he says (basically) that its a good way to take down enemies before you get stickies and the precision bolt, but you can buy sticky bombs before you buy the auto shotgun attachment. There is honestly no real reason to use this weapon mod because its just less effective than quick swapping in both terms of damage and ammo efficiency. The only time I think the full auto mod is ever useful is in a modded level like that one map in the battle mode slaughter tour modded level where it takes away your weapons one by one until you're left with just a shotgun and a chainsaw, and even then its still more effective to just use all 5 sticky bombs and wait for them to come back because you can still destroy weak points and get maykr drone head shots. A video made by the very same BloodShot9001 called "Comparing Full Auto to its Alternatives" shows you all you really need to know about the weapon mod (Just don't use it because its slower than literally anything else) Edit: Really all you need to know is that the full auto shotgun weapon mod doesn't do enough damage fast enough. It takes 23 shells from it to kill a Barron when the super shotgun takes 10 shells to kill a Barron, even though you're getting back 9 shells from killing the Barron (assuming you have the mastery unlocked) you're still gonna be down a couple extra shells. My proposal for a buff would be making it so that if a demon is under a status effect like fire or ice gets their damage from it multiplied so it actually is able to kill something and have its mastery be useful.

I love to see you branch out into new content you like to make and even if it doesn’t do as well I’m buying doom eternal right now just to better understand your video. Keep up the amazing content that YOU love

Love the branching out!

I'm gonna say this: I thought the idea of FORCING players to swap to other players was dumb, but giving bonuses to players for swapping players to incentivize use would have helped. Despite that ammo change, I could still clear levels with just 2 weapons. I don't understand what the devs were thinking. I just kept playing Doom 2016, but I can't help but wonder if the credits were a good example of what was happening. Doom 2016 had different shots of Doomslayer ripping enemies apart and shooting them with credit names next to him, but Eternal had a odd slideshow like ending like it was something from a board meeting. Oh well, maybe someone can mod the dash into 2016, that would be nice.

I'm using this mod as we speak and I don't see the issue. It's pretty ridiculous once you get the ammo back on kill upgrade

I am actually really excited to see doom and even other games join the list, always fantastic fsas

Amazing video as always! I love seeing how to use trash weapons, and I’m glad you are expanding it to other games! Nice job as always and I hope you check out other games, like halo and battle field in the future!

I feel like the full auto shotgun isnt really that bad bcs of the ammo-back mechanic is very useful at negating the bad ammo economy enspecially against the stone imps (even tough theyre were made to make the full auto shotgun seem better) but i like it as a "funny playing weapon"

"otherwise marauders would be a completely trivial encounter" That sounds like the Doom Eternal I'd rather play; I had 0 fun playing against marauders, they were not an enjoyable challenge to me.

didn't expect to see bloodshot on this channel, this is awesome

A clever solution fish! Cant wait to see more

I'm happy to see a different game from you!

Its good to see you branching out

I love your TF2 stuff, but I'm really happy to see you branching out and covering other series. Great work bb~

Great work on your first non-TF2 video! I love doom and I’m glad to see it get some talk from you

I'm really excited to see you branching out into other games!

Expanding to different games is the best thing you can BWS. Looking forward to more

Great video!

Well done. This video is not only brilliant in its information on and around the mod, but also greatly depicts kind of mentality for and against the mod. Can’t wait to see more of your content. The only problem I have is that amount of shells returned on kill with the salvo extender mastery is wrong. The shells returned actually scale from: 3 from fodder, 6 from heavy, and 9 from super heavy. It’s a nick pick I know but the video overall is still strongly put together and great. Also nice to know people still have interest in me, I haven’t gotten much love from daddy UndertheMayo lately. He must’ve moved onto that new “full auto shotgun” in shadow warrior 3. I guess it’s true what everyone says, “Mayo just doesn’t stick for long”.

yess keep the series going !!

Fish could not have chosen a better way to branch out than this good job as always

here's what I hope: I hope this video, this channel gives you the success and resources necessary to get yourself a dream computer that'll run _Doom Eternal_ (and whatever else you want) as smooth as possible. I wish you great things in the future. good luck!

amazing work

Something new? Very nice man

You know what, I want to see more of this!

Good for you for branching out! Too many RU-vidrs get stuck with only TF2 and burn out!

My idea for the full auto shotgun was to make it an alternative to the meme beam on a he plasma gun. This idea is the when in full auto, make it so concentrated fire on a target will actually start to PUSH them back, this would make it very handy against pressure units.

8:24 Am I the only one who understood " 3 critical stickys to put a demoknight into a critical state" and taught wait wasn't this about Doom Eternal?

I know nothing about Doom, but this video made me want to try it out. Bravo

It’s cool to see this branch out into different games It definitely makes sense and will be cool to look at different games

First episode that isnt about TF2, absolutely loved it keep going pal!

Happy to see you branching out into other games. I and a good choice for the first one in my opinion as I and a bunch of others didn't touch full auto save for the stone gargoyles. Honestly makes me really wanna try the nightmare finally. I also never got to beat the second dlc cuz my hard drive died so that'll be fun.

god dang, why didn't Fish bless us with his buttery smooth footage? I guess it was just too good

excited to see more content outside of TF2, love your vids!

Can't wait to watch this after work

Love the video!!!

I was not expecting this ngl but now that its about video games and not just tf2 i can only imagine the episodes to come

Love the change to new games that aren't just TF2. If you possibly could, could you cover the Sportshot from Unturned? Love your videos.

Been waiting!