DOOM ETERNAL - "You Can't Be Creative in This Game!!!" 

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"this game don't let me be creative!" -the guy that spam super shotgun entire doom 2016

"The fun zone" is what makes me still replay doom eternal to this day. I can't imagine myself getting bored with it.

7:40 "Forced to burn enemies to get armor while fighting" *Laughs in upgraded Super Shotgun.*

I feel bad for ID because they spent years making doom eternal and people are so stupid and don’t understand the amazing combat system ID made

People don’t understand the at one of the biggest drivers of creativity are, ironically, limits.

"Doom Eternal Doesn't let me use only one gun the entire game so it's bad" dope video dude people still complaining about it when the devs have said so is pretty dumb

The game makes me... *gasp* PLAY IT? 0/10, games should be movies.

Even Clockner dislikes Doom Eternal. Sad to see. Hope ID Software knows that they have done great worke. Eternal is just amazing

The fact that DOOM ETERNAL needs defending kinda shows how spoiled we are

"You can't be creative in this game" Me: How bout I do *anyway*

You're wrong, Im right, I win, bye bye

Yeah this game gets a lot of flack for the dumbest reasons.

Eternal actually changed gaming for me. I was exactly that COD type guy that would only have one play style. When I started with Eternal, it was exactly like you said, I had to change my method of just only using one weapon and switch between all of the different weapons and always change my strategy no matter how many times I play through the game. It has actually just made me a better player overall in almost all the games I play. I know some people might not believe this, but it even helped me in games like Overwatch. It has really helped me adapt to the situation and whatever the enemy team was playing and how to beat them. (Also love the God of War 3 gameplay and comparison!!)

Hearing the complaint for creativity on Doom Eternal an old adage comes to mind... "Git gud"

When your trust you blood punch too much but forgot to recharge it. Punched a man-cubus, wait a minute* :)

Casuals: "YoU CaNt jUsT mAKE DOoM A gAmE oF 4D cHesS" Hugo:

This seems like a kind of response towards Cry More Gaming.

Exactly my thoughts. 2016 was just super shotgun+ gauss Cannon. Still a damn good game, but eternal allows way more creativity. And people say it doesn't

It’s really bad that mayo still needs to stand up for doom eternal because some people don’t have braincells

I have been playing for trophies now on Doom Eternal and ones like “can’t improve on perfection” where you can only have one sentinel crystal and praetor upgrade really force me to get gud and learn how you should play with less resources, it’s actually more fun for that trophy and starting nightmare soon

Friendship ended with Clockner. Now Under the Mayo is my best friend.

Doom eternal feels like a character action game to me, the likes of bayonetta and devil may cry (especially DMC 5). Let me explain a bit. In a character action game you are given a few number of weapons, skills, and combos. Just like doom eternal gives you those as well. But the similarity doesn't even start there. It's the gameplay. In doom eternal you are constantly pushed by enemy but you are also highly capable of pushing back as long as you are skilled enough and able to pull some "combos", you also have to think on the battle arena focusing on certain enemies to eliminate first and using all of your arsenal and abilities to survive and pull off crazy moves. Just like in a character action games where the game put you in an arena full of varied enemies for you to focus on, and just like in Doom Eternal you either have to buckle up and be better at the game, or be "boring" and get killed in an instance. I always feels like being killed or having a moment of mistake in those games (including Doom Eternal) is my fault and it gives a feeling that I can be better next time. The satisfaction comes after you become really good at mastering the arena, the character, the weapons, and other aspects of the game. To me Doom eternal is not a first person shooter, it is a character action First Person Shooter. I hope this makes sense. Sorry if its a little confusing, English is a second language. Rip and Tear

The fact that there are people that complained about this type of combat design makes me think that these gamers aren't actually gamers.

My creativity is limited! D: I wanted to be a half elf mage! >:(

DOOM Eternal is bad game because its good. 0/69

A game doesn't lack creativity just because YOU lack creativity.

clockner: [plays Doom 2016 extravagantly] id Software: That's it, that's the elusive Fun Zone that Doom Eternal needs. clockner: I find it tiresome being forced to play in this style all the time Under The Mayo: But... it's called The Fun Zone...

Man, I can't tell you how glad I am that you made this video, I've been harping on this concept since day 1. As a musician, I tend to liken other skill-based activities to music, and Doom Eternal leaves so much room for interpretation and improvisation. Frequently when playing Doom I walk into a room with a general gameplan. Often times at some point in the fight the plan goes to hell, and I'm forced to react accordingly or I'm dead. Thinking on the fly is extremely important and I love how reactionary this game is. To be successful the player must not only be good on the sticks (or whatever PC players say) but also have great movement and comprehension of the situation at hand. Much like the best musicians have not only great technique, but wonderful expression and musicality. Players who have great technique but no expression are boring, and expressive players who miss notes or are out of tune aren't fun to listen to either. And just like 2 players might play the same tune a different way, 2 players in Eternal can play the same room and win but look completely different in the process. Id really did achieve something special with this game's single player.

You can’t be creative in Doom Eternal and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself.

there are more options to do stuff in eternal because of everything that holds you back. less ammo, more aggressive ai, no punch escape, etc. there is no spamming ssg and ballista all the time, you’ll run out of ammo. standing still with just kill you instantly. so you must get creative. how are you going to move, up and down or in a circle? what weapons combo’s do you know? got trapped in a corner? you can ice grenade out, regular grenade out, chaingun shield or spray plasma. if anything DOOM Eternal has *more* creative options!

That's one of the biggest lies that I've ever heard because of me self discovering how to shotgun grapple through the air and rocket fire back at any enemy in the ground without getting self damage

It honestly is so nice to play a game that doesn’t assume the player is dumb

As a casual player Idk how people can't grasp eternal's gameplay, it should be common sense but I guess it depends on the person's level creativity and on top of that I have a general understanding that when I play a game I already ha e expectations of what can be possible and what might not be. But to me it's as simple as learning a new tool or machine.

I play on PS4 and recently beat Brawler mode on Nightmare and it just goes to show that after months of playing the game how much of a fresh experience something like Brawler can be, it's the same weird argument when I hear people complain that Battlemode doesn't have enough variety or creativity, the gameplay is so dynamic! Anyway cheers for Brawler mode Mayo :)

I agree, but new players likely don't realize that stuff like faltering and switching weapons to cancel "reloads" are key elements of combat.

“You can’t be creative in this game”. Fine. Get a digital tablet and start a webcomic if creativity is your aim. Or write a goddamned novel. Or play freaking MINECRAFT. Oh, you mean “I’m not fast enough or clever enough to be creative in this game”? Welcome to the club. I ain’t either. I’m a scrub. But I know that’s on ME, and don’t snivel about it.

After playing eternal for 3 months, I went back and replayed 2016 all over again, and I found that eternal made me a better player. Back when I first got it, I really only used the super shotgun and the gause cannon. But now that I've been locked in on eternal I found that I naturally cycle through all the weapons and I found that I naturally used my chainsaw more frequently than I used to do out of habit. Ended up making it more fun for me, and I ended up playing on a harder level than I originally had played. Was pretty cool.

I definitely gotta say, I was really surprised when Clockner said he felt like there wasn't enough ability to be creative in the new game

There is a way to play DOOM Eternal with one gun and no chainsaw: you have a ton of cheats available! Plus I got my non-fps-player friend to try Eternal on "i'm too young to die". And you know what? Despite the game being super easy and forgiving, by the end of the first level he learnt to snipe arachnotron turrets and feed caco with grenades. So I'm sure our new DOOM could even be an amazing introduction into fps genre for those who almost never played such games before. P.S. Brawler run felt amazing. Are you a game designer, dude?

Doom 2016 made you feel like a badass. Doom Eternal Makes you BECOME a badass.

The comparison of Eternal to old God of War (options mattering, encouraging skilled play) and DOOM 2016 to new God of War (options not mattering, encouraging degenerate play) was spot on. You have a real talent for game design analysis, nicely done!

What amazes me the most about Eternal is that in Doom 2016, i used the infinite ammo rune that allowed you to have infinite ammo so long as you remained above a certain health or shield percentage, so it rewarded skillful movement. But in Eternal, the Infinite Ammo cheat doesnt feel good to use because it breaks the core gameplay loop, and that loop is so absurdly fun to play and get creative with, that having infinite ammo just makes the game boring.

I agree with everything in this video and absolutely love doom eternals approach and execution of the game flow, but in 2016s defense “shoot it until it dies” is doom in its purest form. Also, despite the harder push for weapon diversity, the holy trinity of 2016 is still there. Once you have the ballista/gauss rifle, rocket launcher, and SSG you don’t need anything else. Eternal does the mandatory weapon diversity very well, but not enough to stop me from endlessly cycling through the holy trinity for 80% of the game.

The God of War analogy was perfect here, Mayo. Couldn't agree more. They made GoW (2018) that way, imo, due to the popularity of Dark Souls and Bloodborne. I love both of those titles, but I also missed the old GoW gameplay. It was like Devil May Cry in a way. The more flashy combos you pull of the more exp you gained to level your weapons. That was the era then, so they matched it to make the player more comfortable while adding a certain challenge to the mix.

The criticism of Doom Eternal's combat is pretty much the same if people complained about the stamina system in Souls games or that you can't just hack and slash away and come out on top. The game just does not work that way and when you get to the required mindset and learn to use and abuse the mechanics it becomes a playground of destruction with an exceptionally high skill ceiling. No longer frustratingly hard, it becomes tough but fair, fun and punishing. The challenge becomes an incentive to get better as a player and master the game.

I've been trying to incorporate the options you've brought to my attention. Microwace, Remote Detonation, the Unmaker. I've been trying to force myself to use option I was uncomfortable with. And though some of the options felt good, and I'm using them more and more, there were some that didn't feel good. I remember from your Ultra-Nightmare run, you mentioned how everyone kept telling you to use the Heavy Cannon Scope, but you didn't like it. You said "fuck it. I'm gonna play my way." and you started using and loving Micro Missles. I've been forcing myself to use options I didn't like, and it hindered my gameplay and my enjoyment. I built my own style using the things I love, and it's made my time with Eternal so much better. I recently just beat the base game and the Super Gorenest master level on Ultra-Nightmare. Watching your videos has taught me so much, and has made the game so much more fun. So thanks for teaching me so much with Eternal. I'm currently practicing Ultra-Nightmare for the Ancient God p.1. And I'm confident I'll beat it within the next month.

Doom 2016 was showing what the world of Doom could be on modern hardware, Doom Eternal is the Epitome of Arena FPS.

8:00 A really good point around there too. On reflection, as much as I talk about how easy it was to slip into the controls of 2016, getting into the gameplay rhythm was really hard for me, being only familiar with cover based FPS before that point like Wolfenstein. I died a lot until I got used to what it was incentivizing me to do, just like in Eternal. A lot of stuff I wound up finding by accident, like "holy crap my plasma rifle burst and blood punch can disable weak points?! That's incredible! Good thing there was an incentive to experiment and a clear iconic sound effect to notice this mid-fight."

14:50 Man those are some really emotional sentences, "there's an ocean of other games for you, we got something we were hungry for since the death of arena fps games"

I still think that this complaint comes from excessive tutorials and definitely not from the gameplay itself as the issues completely dissappear, once you understand how it works. I myself got caught in that a couple of times. Most people think that if youre told something in the tutorial, then thats the right, best way of doing things. It isnt always. Especially in Doom Eternal. What that overreliance on tutorials does is that it kills the feeling of creativity. I kept failing to really progress in the Marauder boss fight, until I gave up, began to try to just feel the combat, and started combining remote detonation rocket launcher with a ballista. It was cheap, but effective and I got it in 3 tries after that. It also became my training wheels, for the generic takedown with SSG and ballista and later on more effective solutions. Doom Eternal has a lot in common with Dark Souls when it comes to thinking about enemies and situations. You observe and adapt, but the right way of fighting cannot be neatly summed up in a couple of sentences. Sometimes even whole paragraphs are not enough. Just see Dark Souls wikis for boss fighting strategies. That is thoroughly unfeasible for tutorials. But encouraging experimentation, while not getting hung up on things, is the way of achieving that goal. The great thing about game designs of these games is they tap into different skills each particular player has. The fact that we all play these game somewhat differently, preffering different combat style, different skills to rely on different situations IS what creative gameplay is. And if its not, then I have no idea what gameplay encouraging creativity is.

6:29 OMG. I 100% can relate to that. Whenever i play dusk multiplayer there is a select few group of players that complain in chat because Im doing X which is somehow unfair and i never understood why they don't just act on their observation. If you keep walking into the same trap over and over again maybe it's you who has to change their playstyle and not me.

A lot of complaints I have heard come from people who were hyped for an "old doom" experience, and who disliked the mechanics that you more or less must master to be good(weapon switching, the gadgets etc.). Doom Eternal is great, and I really believe some of these complaints come from different expectations expressed in a wrong way, and not stupidity or ignorance.

They only say this because they can't play their way i.e sHoOt D'oNt tHiNk

"Having the freedom of options is POINTLESS if there isn't a purpose for each of those options." After seeing the whole video, it is clear to me that I need to reevaluate my perspective on why and how I even enjoyed combat in various games such as Ghost of Tsushima, Persona 5, Skyrim, and even Command & Conquer 3. That said, I have a counterargument quote to make: "Having the freedom of options and not needing them is better than not having options and needing them." A game is meant to be fun within the rules set, and a player should be able to enjoy playing specific ways no matter how uncreative it is. Players in general don't have fun to be creative, they want to minimize effort and maximize value to equate enjoyment. The options are there in order for a player to choose how they want to handle a scenario, not take into account of every little thing and assume the whole "Jack of all Trades" style. I get it though. "Lack of creativity" is obviously false in Doom Eternal, and the video explains pretty darn well how that is false... but, if I find that the Heavy Cannon to be the most orgasmically awesome weapon, then I should be allowed to have ways to make it the only useful weapon in its own right rather depend on other weapons to proceed. In fact, limitation breeds creativity. Why do you think many triple-A games lately tend to be unpolished, uninspired, and/or dare I say... uncreative, while plenty of Indie titles do something unique and bring something new despite limitations in funding and being rather specialized in gameplay terms? It's about keeping it simple, and maximizing the depth. Look at Celeste on Nintendo Switch. I think that's all I got to say.

I love that at 7:10 you go through all these ways to deal with the arachnotron, yet you’re making the point for all these other games you complain about. Yes, you can use sticky bombs and remote detonate and other weaker stuff, but guess what? Triple rocket and balista/ss are the strongest things in the game, objectively. By your own logic, why would you use any of that other garbage when you can just stick to the strongest thing(something you complain about with other games constantly)? And don’t give me “the ammo economy!”, since the game basically has infinite ammo with the infinitely respawning zombies and recharging chainsaw. Could it be that you’re just incredibly biased and will “have fun” with Doom but not other games?

I literally beat the game on Ultra-Nightmare about 30 minutes ago and can vouch that I had not been able to do it without using my imagination to adapt to situations on the fly. Yes, there are battles that play out much the same way every time, but they are very rare, especially compared to Doom 2016. Id created a masterpiece and I hope they know it!

Doom eternal did what no other shooter has and that is make everything from ammo to health up to players. You don't need to find armor, you make armor from flame belch and the SSG. Blood punch can be used to make health drops, not just glory kills. Regenerating chain saw charge allows for you chose when ammo drops in the fight as well as avoiding damage and giving a small break to check on where your equipment charges are. Doom eternal is a masterpiece of player choice in combat and excels in creating insanely high player skill ceilings.

I played through entire doom 2016 spamming super shotgun, gauss gun. Never thought of ammo management, never cared about how i played against different enemy types. Played in a brain-dead manner. Started eternal and died in the first level to the spiders without any ammo left. Got frustrated and immediately went to reddit and youtube searching for someone validating my frustrations regarding the measly ammo provided. Found your earlier video by chance and listened to what you had to say, and then played like it was designed to be played. This was the most fun gaming experience I ever had thanks to you. I just felt like a god when quick switching, dashing, jumping, grenading, burning the demons. Thank you for this, will forever be grateful to you and looking forward for the future content.

here's the cool thing: weak points can be shot with almost any gun in doom eternal. After beating D:E on Nightmare, killing arachnotron weak points was a choice between using like 3 or 4 different weapons. Ice bomb enables even more. You could ice bomb, then rocket the turret off, if you wanted to. The limits are all in the players head.

Game Journalists/Casuls: “Nooooo! You can’t just make the Super Shotgun not OP as balls and make us use actual tactics and thinking! Under The Mayo/Hugo Martin: “Haha, high speed weapon swapping and fast paced intelligent gameplay go BZZ BUUUHH.”

Someone once said having constraints actually creates creativity. Imagine having someone drawing on a blank paper, many will find it difficult to come up with something creative. Imagine having someone coloring one of those color-the-dinosaurs books, people will start drawing cannon on dinosaur's back and various crazy stuff.

I feel like doom eternal just separates the skilled from the spammers

Brain: *exists* People who complain about doom Eternal being too hard or different than 2016: wow this is worthless

I talked to my cousin about this yesterday actually. From what I got out of the conversation, the tutorials kind of trick casual doom players into thinking that there is only one way to kill certain enemies. I somewhat agree though. If the tutorials were more suggestive like hints rather than show videos on “how to kill X” they wouldn’t stick to one way to kill stuff. Like the Doom Hunter being weak to plasma rifle shots to drop the shield. He thought that was the only way to kill it, but when I showed him blood punch pretty much deletes his hover tank after a few rockets he was like O_o.

I do just want to say, this is also a casual vs hardcore thing. Eternal forces some level of creativity in play yes, the thing is that Eternal's gameplay loop requires a certain level of base skill. This is exacerbated more if you're bad. Imagine a really bad player, they're struggling not to die 24/7, they can't kill enemies fast enough, they can't use their movement and abilities well enough not to get hit much. If you give them the tools of weapon switch combos like ballista super shotgun, that let them do enough DPS to kill enemies without dying, or tell them they can shoot an arachnotron turret off with the sniper shot, they feel forced to do that. They are not mechanically skilled enough to pull off the other options that exist like using a grenade to stagger enemies, and using a blood punch, while keeping track of other threats so as not to get boxed in. Due to their combination of skill and the game's incentivisation, it feels like the game is forcing them into a very set gameplay loop of use correct weapon to kill weakpoint, run around, damage, chainsawe for ammo, flame belch for armour, glroy kill for health. They're basically doing a checklist at that point, because they aren't capable of more skillwise. In 2016, I just went through ripping and tearing and it was fun, I wasn't there for challenge. In Eternal I felt off kilter (granted I hadn't been gaming a ton before eternal, but I'm still an experienced PC FPS player), because I had to learn how it wanted me to play, and I had to learn how to use almost all the tools it gave me decently. In most games you are not required to make use of everything given to you. In the Witcher on normal difficulty you do not need to engage with the oils and potions system for example, you can just hack and slash your way through the game. With Eternal my lack of familiarity and competence with what it wanted me to do (switch weapons, use combos, use chainsaw, manage multiple grenade cooldowns and flame belch, move effectively) meant that a significant portion of my time wasn't that fun. I felt like I was a little behind the curve of what it wanted me to do, and as a result didn't feel like the unstoppable badass that the game is constantly telling you, that you are. That's not to say I was dying 24/7, I probably died 2-3 times on normal, but my state of gameplay was largely mild stress, not enjoyable competence. There were points where that did line up, especially times like right before the marauder was introduced, and towards the latter few levels of the game, I'd gotten to grips with what the game had given me and it resulted in some of the most fun and intense singleplayer FPS experiences I've had. On the other hand, I can fully understand how someone worse than me especially, could come in and just have a shit time, because the game wants a level of competence from them they they aren't willing to give or can't reach, at least in a single playthrough. Now these issues largely go away if you're willing to commit the time and want to do multiple playthroughs. If I played through again now, I would be in the enjoyable competence zone the entire time. The reality on the other hand is that most people do not play games multiple times. If I play something singleplayer, I am almost always there for the story and the experience, at this point I've experienced most of what the game has, and all of the story, I can get snippets of different experience if I replay (a harder fight, a master level with different enemies, but it's still largely the same), but I would rather just go play a different singleplayer game for an entirely new experience, or something multiplayer for replayability (like the Smash guy described, where a human opponent forces you to use every trick in your arsenal). I could also play through on a higher difficulty, but that's not what I play games for ironically even though I love souls. I've played though DS2 twice and 3 about 7 times. I don't actually play them because I like difficulty though. Their increased difficulty means that I felt like I really earned my victories (something Eternal does as well), but I also enjoyed the build variety, the extremely expansive and interconnected levels that reward exploration even across multiple playthroughs (this is huge, in DOOM for example I explore most of a level the first time through and don't feel any real desire to play it again and find the last few corners that have a figurine I didn't find, whereas in DS2 I missed entire optional bosses and things my first playthrough), the different NPC stotylines and lore that you literally cannot get in a single playthrough due to them locking you out of eachother. Now DOOM isn't the same as souls and it doesn't have to be. I'm just illustrating how most more casual players don't really have a reason to keep replaying and getting to the point where they have fun, they just play it once, game is hard, they have minimal fun and then they're done. My first DS2 playthrough was very intense and addictive for me, but I wouldn't describe it as fun most of the time, just intensely satisfying when I won. Now my second DS2 playthrough and 2nd+ ones of DS3 where I knew what I was doing, yes, that shit was fun as well as satisfying.

I think doom eternal is a key piece that'll forever be a major part of the doom dance since every demon has a weakness and every gun serves a different purpose and the resource management is great since you have to run around the battlefield looking for a fodder demon to chainsaw for ammo which really brings up some adrenaline but in doom 2016 you could shoot the super shotgun 30 times but now its been put to a reasonable 12 shots

Hot take: I agree with everything you said in this video, but after 95 hours in Eternal, went back to 2016 and I found that a much more relaxing and joyful experience, the game is incredibly laid-back and gives you the power fantasy directly, not saying Eternal's way of earning it is bad, I loved that too, but these days, having experienced both games and achieving 100% completion on both games, it's always 2016 I go back to moreso than Eternal for an instant adrenaline charge, people aren't wrong for disliking DOOM Eternal's gameplay loop and how different it is from 2016, I know one of the very best players of 2016: Clockner, doesn't like Eternal for these reasons too, and at first I was like: "No way dude, he's just missing it" but now ? I actually agree with him, some people would rather just be creative of their own volition rather than game's design. An ideal future DOOM sequel would find a way to accomodate both fanbases, but both sides are so vehemently hateful of each other and are so divisive, ID will prolly do its own thing and hope people like it again, but hey they're doing great so far so....

What ID should have done is to double the ammo capacity on lower difficulty settings so people could stick to one weapon, but having the game the way it is now or even more restrictive on harder settings. It would actually stay true to the originals because every ammo pickup had double the ammo on easier difficulty compared to Ultra-violence and higher. It was less need for exploration on I’m To Young To Die, but exploring and min-max your ammo, health and armor was crucial on higher difficulty setting. It would be a huge benefit to the game because it would have broader appeal and the game would fundamentally change between difficulty options. This isn’t Dark Souls where you have just one difficulty option called Git Gud & Praise The Sun(meme).

DOom eternal is truly a beautifully crafted game. However, the only true downfall is that it really is tailored for PC play. Ive put many an hour of play through it on xbox, my rank is 114 now. Yes on console you have a weapon wheel and even being as fast as possible it still feels sloppy when switching weapons. It is not easy/smooth to switch between three different weapons within a few seconds as u can on PC. It really breaks up the gameplay, but it is manageable. Still, hats off to everyone at ID for such an awesome game.

I’m a casual when it comes to FPS games, but Doom Eternal is definitely one of those games that I gotta chill for a minute because of how intense shit gets

People who complain all the time about games, shouldn't be playing them at all. Doom Eternal is made perfectly. And the few who disagree. please go home.

It comes down to something that Hugh Martin actually touched on--player "freedom" is overrated, because they'll just do the thing that works best, then get bored with it. Turns out, (most) gamers have no idea what they really want. It's OK for a developer to "force" the player to play a certain way, and not just give total freedom, because the way that works is not necessarily the way that's fun. Of course, this is game-dependent. Some games work better with high degrees of player freedom (say, Minecraft and the like), and others work better when the developer has a solid vision of how the game should be played and designs the game around that.

Doom2016 was closer to classic doom, where Doom eternal is something new. This isn't a bad thing, but some people are not going to be on board with the change. I personally feel Doom Eternal fits the mythos of doom guy becoming even more of a bad ass with each iteration. At some point he had to be strategic on a human level, but now hes motherfucking Dante.

"doom eternal don't incentivize creativity" me killing a caco: balista, meathook supershotgun a friend who's also into doom eternal: rocket launcher to balista and glory kill mayo blowing my mind: rocket launcher, ballista, full auto

I feel like some people saying that doom eternal wasn’t “creative” was just them saying they wanted more snapmap. Honestly I was disappointed to find I couldn’t make levels for doom eternal with all the new pieces that would be included

It’s so frustrating to hear complaints like this because there are some real things in the game to criticize if you look a little deeper, but all of this is so surface level and remedied with a slight change of perspective. Good stuff Mayo.

Id basically laughs at you when you ask them "Hey, what's your main?"

For people who didn't know, some of the runes portraying to glorykills regard the chainsaw as a gk (glorykill) runes like farther gk reach and speed buff from gk, meaning you can use the chainsaw as a means of movement too.

“You can’t be creative in this game” Oh yeah and the UAC told me that demons are kind people

Pretty much any game let’s you be creative. If you’re willing to put in some limitations or if your willing to break the game a bit. Take speedruns for example, you won’t find more creativity anywhere else

Doom has some of the same reasons why idiots hate other complex games like devil may cry 5. Extremely steep skill gap but people don't bother to test their skills.

Honestly, the only creativity stifling I've been seeing is the removal of the custom map feature from 2016. We will never see a Harvest Doom on Eternal ._.

Limitations and parameters can inspire creativity. The fact that there are enemy based strategies means you need to switch up your strategies in unique ways

I’ve bought this game seven days ago and...I love it. I finished DOOM 2016 in ultraviolance in two days four years ago. DOOM eternal in ultraviolance is taking me a week and I love it! Every death makes me return to the game and beat that arena, Mike Gordon’s music makes my blood boil and gives me adrenaline boost! Right now I’m im the last mission and the longer the icon of sin remains on earth the stronger it will become. 10/10. I love DOOM

I think this complaint of Eternal’s perceived lack of creativity mostly comes from players that are already intrinsically motivated enough to creatively approach combat without any reward or necessity. In that case, Eternal limiting your resources to funnel more players into the “Fun Zone” would make the combat feel like you have a checklist you have to check all the time to maintain a gameplay loop you enjoyed in the first game. I think that perspective would lend the lower ammo capacity and cooldowns of Eternal to be seen as annoying resource management that stifles combat rather than a challenge to overcome, and even integrate, into your gameplay loop. It also doesn’t help that 2016 sells you a power fantasy over a challenge and Eternal vice versa, they’re just different games.

I've watched this particular upload at least 5 times, among others, and growing from a completely new doom player to going through nightmare runs, this games opens you up to being a more "think on your feet" person.

ID : Let's make Doom 2016 but with - better story - better graphics - better soundtrack - more and better guns - better mobility - better and longer levels - more and better enemies - better balance - more replayability - more complex skill tree - more challenges - more collectibles - more OG style - better quality of life improvements - story DLC's People on the internet : REEEE this game is bad , 2016 is better 🤡🤡🤡🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

What I love about this video is how it actually points out how creativity is best encouraged and utilized when there are rules and regulations to be abided. It's fairly similar how the traditional concept of art highly depended on freedom with responsibilities of making good, quality-oriented output. Modern art is freedom for freedom's sake alone (anarchy). No consequences. Zero responsibilities. Love your video.

Interesting video, good job as always. I don't understand why there's so many complaints, I wasn't a very good player when I started the game, but I immediately got what the developers intent was when I discovered the low ammo/chainsaw relying mechanic. I struggled a bit, because I was bad. But eventually became a better player, learning through each level. I can't thank enough Id for this, I had a good time and I got better.

I learned the way of Doom But now my fingers hurt so much..

"Doom Eternal forces the player to play the game!!! This is outrageous!!!"

Don't get me wrong, there's definitely a certain rythm the game wants you to get in to play it. But I've had pretty drastic changes in my playstyle over the course of my playthrough, experimenting with new weapon combos and mods, and from adapting to all of the new enemies. To say it limits creativity is a bit stupid tbh

That point about the use of a full moveset making it more fun reminded me why 2 was my favourite Dark Souls. There is no scenario where you would use a jumping attack or half the heavy attacks in Dark Souls 1 or 3 pvp, but in 2 they're useful, still niche but infinitely more useful than the zero in the other games.

And plus, if you do want to run around with your favorite gun all day, the cheat codes allow you to do that, infinite berserk, overdrive, or quad damage, massively reduced damage, infinite ammo, all unlocks. There are so many things that cheat codes also allow players to do and can allow for even more creativity. For instance, I try to use an u popular weapon mod I don't normally use like full auto (I don't use full auto as I rely pretty heavily on the super shotgun) and I just go ham with it, having overdrive and infinite ammo makes the full auto insane.

I always thought about it using all your “tools” as a combo. It’s the reason there’s less ammo capacity in Doom eternal compared to 2016 Doom. The reason the chainsaw is unlimited because it recharges. The reason there is flame belch and blood punch for health and armor in the first place. Almost every demon has a recommended weapon to use against them but not required. I think about like this, if I use a chainsaw and I don’t grab ammo for all my weapons, I’m not playing to the fullest potential that game has to offer, but it doesn’t mean that is less fun. You can still be in the fun zone if you don’t use some weapons, but know that it might break the combo you had going when you meet the “one” demon.

I'll admit, the few complaints I had about this game have largely been stamped out by this video. Very well done.

I love Doom Eternal because it made me, a filthy zoomer, love this 25 year old franchise. In the span of a couple weeks, I played through Doom 1 & 2, then Doom 2016, and finally Doom Eternal. I’ve beaten Eternal on Hurt Me Plenty and Ultra Violence, and I’m making good progress on my Nightmare playthrough. I cannot wait for the DLC.

I love the vergil fight at the end of DMC 5 because he plays exactly like a player would, so you HAVE to make your own openings, you HAVE to dodge his attacks, and you HAVE to combo him. If you fail at this, he smokes you.

For someone who's been playing DOOM eversince the earlier titles in the 90's, DOOM Eternal is as good as it gets. Hope any future editions to the series are just as engaging and creative as this one.