*YGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGH* SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE *YGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGHYGH* BWAAAGH *CHA CHING* Chaingunners...
Anybody use a chain gun for sniping? Yeah, apparently they do. Can't even see their sprite from across the map, and you wonder why you're taking random damage from nowhere!
The first two shots from holding down a chaingun have no angle deviation, so you can actually use a chaingun for sniping if you just fire it in bursts of two.
@@kingkuma4112 yes, but he's on about the chaingunner enemies. I map for myself and I only EVER use those sods with ample cover so that you can duck and weave instead of just getting swiss cheese'd.
@@xjyo, indeed, shameful. I guess, I wasn't at normal interet that time and never watched it later. In the opposite to those classic Serious Sam marathons just recently
So that's why the damaging floor hurt me instantly when I just touched it with my toe but it didn't when I practically submerged myself in radioactive waste and got out. It is amazing how this game can show new stuff even after 26 years.
I NEVER knew that the player was actually kept alive, I thought he died... I think there was a dying sound even, I just thought that the code checked that if player died in that sector, then it exited succesfully. Would have never guessed his HP stayed at 1 and I guess the engine just played the sound to create illusion of him dying. When I was something like 14 or 15 I tried so many times to find out if there was a way to keep yourself alive, and as it was dark and there were pinkys, I didn't originally even know about hurting floor :D
@@robsku1 The "keep at least 1 HP" code is executed in the function for handling damage *in general* rather than damaging floors If you stand on a ledge so that your origin is above the damaging floor but not touching it, then you will not take damage because that is handled in damaging floor func (which checks your Z position), but taking any damage from anything else will not kill you, since that is handled by the general damage func, which is dumber and just checks you current sector. Pretty sure it is one of the "illegal" WAD tricks.
@@robsku1 3:00 While that does shut off the god mode it does not prevent it from being turned on. You can last forever in a Death Exit by spamming iddqd fast enough because it keeps setting your health to 100. You get more time for typing if you slide in an IDKFA every few cycles to half the damage from the armor. Other than that, yeah, invuln powerup through IDBEHOLDV.
Also, the Radiation Suit effect is called "Iron Feet" in the source code. Hexen does it a little differently: whether a sector is damaging or not is defined entirely by the Flat/texture you use, not by sector properties. So, blue water is always safe (and splashy), while lava is always painful (and also splashy) -- and you can apply other sector effects to them, like scrolling. (This is probably why the part at 1:24 *doesn't* damage you: because the sector special is used for other stuff.)
Even though Hexen automatically assigns damage properties depending on what texture that you use you can still make any floor damage the player through the sector properties. If that is still too basic for your mapping skills you can still script the hell out of a sector with ACS scripting. This includes turning on or off the sector properties when something is triggered in the map.
I don't see any way to change sector pain/liquid properties in Hexen itself (meaning, vanilla Hexen) with ACS, aside from changing flats, although I would certainly expect it to be a thing in modern/enhanced variations on the engine, such as UDMF.
Tying the weapon bobbing to the timer seems to have been a galaxy brain move that no one could've predicted would've been useful years later. Cool stuff.
Ive been playing Doom for decades and I still learn at least one new thing every time I watch one of your videos. I had no idea weapon bobbing synced with damaging floors!
In the editor the texture and damage are 2 different attribute, you can make any floor do damage. For example the green liquid and the lava are expected to do damage by the player. Thing has blood (or hell slime but everyone call it blood) are not recommend to do damage. But the most important thing is to be consistent with damage if you make a wad with a texture doing damage (example the brown floor with red crack) it should always do damage in the same wad.
Can't believe I'm still learning things. Floating above a death exit makes you invincible, absolute genius. Also thanks for the boiling water idea, makes the whole logic more bearable
If anybody has Doom Builder, I recommend going through an episode of The Ultimate Doom to count the damaging floors just as an exercise. For instance Inferno only has the first three types of damaging floor
It always kinda bugged me that monsters didn't take damage from these floors. Kinda the same thing in Quake, monsters should drown underwater! (unless they're rotfish)
Oh, and I also remember editing original DooM 2 levels with some old editor in DosBox (it was 8 or so years ago, wine in Debian hasn't worked with Doom Builder). Specifically for MAP31, it has become a little big bigger with extra rooms, and all the floors except the starting area and the mid-level corridor were hurting the doomguys ass. Sweet old days of playing all possible pWADs and telling the uni lecturer I am actually using the laptop to make some notes on their exciting disciplines
Decino makes such great content. Even as a long time doom player I know I'll learn some new quirk when I watch. This time it was that exit floors make you undying. Very interesting!
oh WOW i never understood exactly why sometimes you get hurt immediately after touching the damaging floor and sometimes can run across for a bit before getting damaged! Now I know why and how to time it to avoid taking damage for longer! Excellent video!
1:37 TNT: Evilution is what I'd call a "beautiful kind of stupid." There's all sorts of oversights and weird shit they threw into the level structures that don't make much sense due to having so many designers on hand (Drake O'Brien's work I'd learned to despise...) Plutonia's inconsistencies I'd consider deliberate, like the Casalis wanted to troll the players.
I always imagined the water as freezing cold actually, probably because of those ice levels in Keen 1! That last bit about the health never dropping below 1% was really interesting.
Huh. I've played DOOM for about 20 years now, but never realized that different damaging floors deal different amount of damage. Thank you for interesting video! Also can't wait for you playing brutal doom :)
On ports that allow jumping, you can play hopscotch to reduce the damage taken by damaging floors. Sometimes the landing timing coincides with the damaging tics though, so it's not foolproof. There's also a corridor in Doom E3M4 that has apparently very hot red gravel. And a bunch of medkits.
1:00 The pulsing light is likely not an electrocution, but a *_plasmid heat surge._* Painful, yes. Lethal, only from prolonged exposure. Since it's pulsing, it should be like pin pricks in the affected areas but otherwise, a non-zero chance of plausible lethal accumulation. How do I know about this? Believe it or not, it is something one studies in basic alchemy, even if one doesn't branch out into alteration or enchanting (I branched out into practical alchemy or some would call me a *_medicinist)._* So, you're doing a Brutal Doom livestream? Sweet. I just got that running myself and am messing about with it.
Maybe Doomguy should get new boots if they still make him take damage when walking in liquids. Unless the liquids are radioactive then he shouldn’t be damaged by any of these except for the electrocution one. I guess the UAC had to cut budget somewhere right?
Third comment on this video, I know. But in case anybody's curious about 1:21 - There are several different types of predefined effects you can apply to a sector, but not two at once, in vanilla Doom. You can have either a secret or a damaging sector, not both. Here, the one sector is marked E9, and the rest of the tunnel marked E7. In Boom format and probably others, you can have "generalized" linedef actions and sector effects, to combine certain properties/effects and make things like instant-lowering floors and turbo crushers.
I was never bothered by damaging liquid inconsistencies between levels of the same mapset, like Plutonia. Inconsistencies within the same level, on the hand...
Some RU-vidrs call the damaging floor with different names like: nukage is poison, hell slime is blood, super hell slime is lava, and the brown damaging floor could be muddy water.
There's so much information you are able to provide in these videos that is bewilders me to no end! I've been a mapper, and considered at time good enough to get into TeamTNT (I only worked on Reclamation DM - and DooM 2000, but then finished probably because I lost enthusiasm on the project and didn't really believe it was going to make it in time anyway. I guess they changed the name, but have never checked if they managed to finish that. Ah, the wikipedia actually lists some of their other projects I've not played - I'm getting back into mapping and playing what I've missed from my favourite group... But about DooM 2000, it had this to say: _Dec. 2003: Daedalus: Alien Defense[16] (32-level solo-play level pack previously released in early 7-map form as Doom2000 at 12:01 am January 1, 2000[17])_ So it was released in 2000 as an early _demo_ if you can say it that. Kinda like my own KTA megawad project, which I also released a 7-level demo - before TeamTNT's BooM was out, then upgraded the levels to BooM when it came, but I've lost most of the work (the original *two* demo versions are still available, and I remember most of what I did afterwards, but I'm going to redo the early levels for better style (what was considered awesome in early 2000's, might seem just average today) for one of the modern source ports. I'd like *good* scripting and I'd love to have those 3D objects, moving things and slanted ceilings and floors that GLZDooM has to offer, but last I looked, the scripting capabilities were horrible. I'd like something like QuakeC, which gave ability to basically change the entire game (Iikka Keränen made a flight simulator on Quake, although I've never actually seen it, let alone tried it - I don't need quite that level, but a lot more than the scripting of original ZDooM for sure. That aside, what I wanted to say, with all the knowledge of tricks based on engine bugs (before BooM made them (and more) mapping features, there's this technical stuff that has just been totally beyond my knowledge. And I've never looked the source code - original or any source ports... Maybe I should, I think I have the programming skills that I might be able to incorporate Perl interpreter into it to do at least what I want - hook it up with where ever it makes sense. Anyway, thanks for this awesome info - again.
Thanks for the heart 😊 I wanted to add how much I loved mapping with the original engines limitations, even to visible two-sided linedefs although they often limited my ability to create ceiling lamps with really round light area - on top of that I liked creating multiple "circles" and had to satisfy making them 8, 6 or even 4 cornered, not circles, so I could create a smooth lighting gradient... But my all time favourite must be fake 3D bridges, though their floor did clearly reveal it was made of crisscross pattern of linedefs with short height (16 or 24, but once in more special case a 64)... Combining the invisible stair and instant lift with the textures, then creating a small box far outside the level, but making it part of the invisible lift sector, so the sound it made couldn't be heard - I even used it on two deathmatch levels, other which might have been part of Reclamation DM - but problems arise when one player is heading under it and the other over - one of them will suddenly be on different level, so the design had to be such that it minimizes the possibility - I'm surprised Ty Halderman accepted the level, but in my test play it worked out without any bridge collisions for hour of play. It didn't diminish my love for it even though these hacks became features though, but _something_ was lost. But I could now also had any amount of any circular (usually 32 or 64 linedefs for larger lightning circle was enough for it to look like circle - imagine that with the additional lighting gradient, usually 3 or 4 levels, that's quite a lot linedefs... But that wasn't a hack, it was just a limitation that was removed. Heretic had even worse, inside a simple room I had to use square or octagon to get gradient around the light. No idea why they had modified the maximum 2-side linedefs visible to lower value - but it's the challenge, even with modern doom ports, the limitations and try to find a way around them are a challenge I love - I mean, some already have real 3D platforms, moving and rotating stuff, etc., but it's still very different from example Quake. I tried mapping for it and it just didn't really feel like something I was interested. Sure, you could build any kind of structure and with QuakeC you could mood the living jeebus out of it, but maybe it was just that... What would interest me a lot if you made a detailed video of all the hacks and bugs that were used by DooM mappers before the source port - not sure there's any I haven't seen end very few I haven't used myself, but I watch a lot of videos that have stuff I already know - it's been over 20 years since they were needed after all :)
This is the first video I’ve seen from this channel, and I like it already, it’s nice and calm and turned a boring-sounding subject into an interesting video, I never knew I’d watch an entire video about evil floors, but here I am now
I just want to say that I adore your videos, I've been watching since you played through Eviternity, and I've made countless levels using those textures, and it's all thanks to you who introduced me to Doom and it's mapping scene. Thank you.
I used to think the blue carpet in the first room of E1M1 was a hurt floor for years. One of first times I played the game a zombie just happened to shoot me while in there and I assumed the damage came from the floor for some reason.
