Doom's Lost Official RPGs | Punching Weight | SSFF 

Doom fans have just brought back Doom RPG! It has been reverse engineered to play on PC. Still no officially rerelease but just leave it to the fans to be the real heroes!! www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129997-doom-rpg-port-reverse-engineering/

I don't know why, but having Scott voice John Carmack is astonishingly perfect.

Scott's voice out of nowhere scared the heck out of me. Once I realized it was him, I bursted out laughing.

I love how similar Doom RPG 1 is to the SNES SMT Games They even share the demonic infestation

back in the day i emailed John carmack about these games and trying to get them ported and he put me in contact with a person at id and I had to get a petition together for people to show there was interest in getting the games ported nothing ever came of it though

Doom RPG helped me get through the boredom of high school, used to play it on my phone during class after i was done with stuff, legit fun little dungeon crawlers!

Man I remember actually playing Doom II RPG back in the day. Remember recently looking it up again and hoping to find it in the Android Store, but no dice.

john carmack was giving out the .jar file of doom rpg on his twitter a while ago. they play on modern devices pretty well.

Rest In Peace, Derek’s DS rumble packs. Underused but not under remembered.

Doom RPG helped to make lunch breaks on highschool more tolerable for my depressed teen self, it's about time it gets the recognition it deserves

Scott as John Carmack is such an inspired choice, I would cast him in a fuckin' biopic.

13:15 This is also kind of sad, considering that the DS got a full-fledged true 3D dungeon crawler in the form of "Fighting Fantasy." It runs SHOCKINGLY well. It stays at a steady 30FPS, despite having complicated polygonal geometry - no raycasting. If you've never seen it, it might be a good one to cover on Punching Weight someday. (And it's actually a pretty good game, too, although the difficulty is way too high. Then again, that does go with the Fighting Fantasy brand.)

My wife had the first mobile Doom RPG, she loved it and for years she'd tell me about it until one day she saw me watching a video on Doom. I was like damn, I choose right.

If you can’t get any of these games, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey has a similar feel.

That "Your bi-days are numbered!" quip really got me. Proof I'm still a child in an increasingly below average 34 year old body.

Is it just my imagination or does Uncle Derek have some nice guns? Working out again seems to be paying off.

I've played them ALL! Seeing that for years a "dumbphone" was all I had, back when first iPhones were already a thing. Come to think of that, there were many little Java gems I've put hours into - I remember one game which was basically a clone of puyo puyo, came pre-installed on my phone. I've caught a pneumonia due to my own stupidity (T-shirt of your favourite band plus leather jacket on top looks good, but isn't practical when there's like -10 C degrees outside and you are going for a bar crawl with friends) and ended up in a hospital for about a week with high fever. I've started to play it out of boredom and I was so hooked that my phone has ended up being plugged into the charger at all times, because I've spent HOURS a day playing this. BTW. Wolfenstein RPG was retconned as Doom prequel and Blazkowicz was Doom guy ancestor, lol! Yes, the turn-based gameplay has worked great. I wish that these games would get a re-release, even though they are a relic, they are an incredibly cool relic and deserve preservation.

Orcs & Elves was one of my favorite games as a kid, didn't even know about it's history

Some wizard could probably make a faithful recreation of DOOM RPG and its sequel in GZDOOM.

I played through doom rpg on a sony ericsson w300i back in 2009 and I remember finding a debug menu that let me change a lot of of the game's variables, and turns out that the tile to tile movement is the game moving through the map in real time, but super fast, and while fiddling with one of the variables I'd made each turn and move feel like a fps proper. it even ran smoothly on that phone's 160x120 screen!

I remember working for EA when they were porting the Wolf RPG game to cell phones and doing QA testing for it. after it was released I bought it for my phone :D

I played the hell out of Doom 2 RPG on my old LG Rumor touch. I have so many fond memories of that game. So glad you're covering this series!

23:42 My life changed for the better after finding out that this ad exists. Thank you Derek.

8:40 Last thing I expected to learn in this was that the song from Garden State had a Machinima music video, the 2000s were definitely a time.

I actually have both of these on my PSP with a java emulator. They're clunky, but charming in an odd sort of way. Kinda wish they had gotten an official port like Orcs and Elves did.

I played both Doom RPG and Wolfenstein RPG demos on a weird disk my friend gave me back in the day. Always wanted to play more

Been playing games for like 28 years of my life and I had NO idea any of these games existed. Pretty cool!

Orcs & Elves I did play on the DS back in the day and actually enjoyed it. I'm not a big RPG fan. But I love id Software and John is one of my favorite game developers. So I decided to give it a try and was pleasantly surprised.

Thank god Gunther got some love, I remember I liked him so much that I actually made a “create a wrestler” of him in one of the smackdown vs raw games, forgot how surprisingly good these games were

Weird but interesting branches of the classic Doom tree. Thanks for covering these in such detail. Well done.

Gotta love those special effects recorded while using the studio's bathroom 15:58. That Carmack guys is a genius.

I specifically bought Orcs & Elves for the DS because I heard the story about this series somewhere before and found it interesting. I have a lot of nostalgia for old Java phone games, and even though I did not play any of these on a phone back in the day, the DS port still gives me a kick of that nostalgia.

You're looking buff derek, glad to see your doing well!

I can happily say that I played Doom RPG a lot when I had my old phone, completed it like three times. Loved it!

Oh, the first Doom RPG sounds like a mistery dungeon type of game, with the attack and movement consuming a turn. That's freaking cool!

I've been trying to dev out a spiritual sequel of sorts to Doom RPG. It's on the back burner for now, as the prototype wasn't as fun as I wanted. It's a mix of RPG and DoomRL. I'm thinking about moving to an action point system (Fallout 1/2). Like I said, back burner for now. I started this process because I love DoomRPG, and the lack of it is palpable.

I missed out on these back in their day, and I hope they get ports or remakes!

I remember playing Orcs and Elves on my friends R4. Had a good time with it. Wanted to find a copy of it for myself, but I have never seen it out in the wilds.

I played Doom RPG on my Samsung slider when at university. Great nostalgia on this video.

Scott the Woz is how I always imagined John Carmack to sound like.

OMG. When I commented, sometime ago, that you should make a video on the Doom RPG games, I honestly thought it was never gonna happen. Dreams do come true, after all. EDIT: I still remember playing Doom RPG on my Sony Ericsson k310 in high school. The 'Goodbye, marine' moment (probably those who played the game know what I'm talking about) broke my heart. And going to the websites that were 'unlocked' everytime you finished the game, challenging you to complete more stuff.

I have these moments of desperately searching for the Doom Rpg because I'm so interested, thank you so much for covering this

The Mischief Makers music in the background, though 🥲 Always instant nostalgia

"Mega toilet throwing action" Wow, B. J. was doing devious licks before devious licks were a thing!

Oooh, I remember playing Wolfenstein and Doom RPG on my old Blackberry. I'll have to dig that thing out of the closet and see if they're still on there.

It’s great to have back in the game Daddy Derek. I’ve really missed your videos bro. The last time you did was I think that Brazilian console,if I am not mistaken. Anyways great to have you back,and what better way to start off Punching Weight is start another Doom related ports,but this time it’s on the old school mobile game. I remember Doom RPG and I watch my brother played it back when it was new. It’s amazing that how much work they’ve put on a phone no less. It’s would’ve been good enough to be on GBA but this is good too.

The phrase "the Zeebo Gringo strikes again!" made me remember to like this video :)

The most egregious example of preserved 1337 speak is that kid in Tony Hawk's Underground right as you're about to leave New Jersey and he calls you a noob and says he's gonna pwn you or whatever. It's amazing.

I imagine Derek having a conspiracy theory wall full of photos and strings, trying to get to the bottom of this chicken-hating agenda.

I'd love to see these rereleased on modern phones. I had the Wolfenstein one on my iPhone back when it released there, and really enjoyed it. Never thought to track down the .jar files, but that sounds like fun, so off to Google I go!

My Nokia phone had a more limited version of Doom RPG and there were a NPC that joked about being a different guy than the other one despite being only a color palette swap due to space limitations.

This video is awesome, also I appreciate the mischief makers music in the background. (IIRC it's Mischief Makers)

I've been playing the RPGs on the J2ME emulator, and they are shockingly great dungeon crawlers.

OH MY GOD YES I ADORE THESE GAMES. They need a comeback like, yesterday. I was addicted to the RPG family from ID growing up, playing on my dad's Sony Ericsson. I can only hope a remaster/rerelease is in the works for each of these 🥺

Watching this now cause Doom 2 RPG (iOS version) was finally beautifully ported to PC as of a couple of days ago. Today I've beaten it for the first time ever. What a game. Now it will never be lost

glad you mentioned orcs and elves it's one of those games me and my best friend were into in high school and always went for $1 at gamestop near the end of the DS's life but it's pretty fantastic I played through it a little over a year ago I got so used to the movement controls I was moving so fast it was almost like walking speed lol

[the gender meme] "But what's in your pants?" "Doom." (Pulls flip phone out of pocket and starts DOOM RPG) "Literally."

that mischief makers tune ooo what a jam. great vid guys!

Thanks for coming back. Great video! Greetings from Argentina.

So great to have y’all back. Love the channel and content

I want Orcs and Elves 2 so bad. I love that DS game. Actually own it physically. Doom II RPG is actually really fun too

I really enjoyed Doom 2 RPG, I got an IPod Touch for Christmas when I was a teenager, I randomly stumbled across it in the App Store. I got so many hours of enjoyment out of that game.

WAIT A FREAKING SECOND! ORCS & ELVES IS CONNECTED TO DOOM!?!? THOSE GAMES ARE FREGACKING AWESOME!!!!

I remember finding your channel back in your first Doom ports episode and since then you've expanded my mind so much on the weird, ambitious and unnecessary. Keep on never stopping! Stay powerful

I remember these! Lots of fun. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

"Making Doodle Jump money" is a phrase I will somehow slip into average conversation, mark my words

OMG I had this game back in 2005 for my phone. What a weird spinoff but was pretty enjoyable Glad you're back Derek!

Glad to see you back, love the vids, keep it coming. Glad to see that you are able to take a breather in between videos though.

Glad to see you're back homie, from some podunk in the rural SE

12:12 Oooh, I hear some Mischief Makers in the background. Uncle Derek continually shows off his good taste.

awesome video. great to see you back. i really wanna play these games as they sound awesome. xxx

Dude, I had THAT Doom game on I think my OG RAZR? Shit was a blast.

Turn-based demon shooting in first-person with sprites? Classic Shin Megami Tensei vibes.

It'd be neat to see you cover Renegade Kid, a developer I really liked when I was young. They were only around for 10 years, but they made some impressive bangers on the original DS, and both founding members, Jools Watsham and Gregg Hargrove, were always quite easy to contact.

I love this channel. I don't quite watch it as much on purpose. Keeps the videos fresh and fun for me every time they show up on my RU-vid feed. Keep it coming Uncle Derek! 😁🤣

Doom RPG was the first cell phone game I ever played in the work bathroom stall… for an hour.

Love the new lighting, Derek and Producer Grace!

sick! looking forward to this video. I want to try these games out.

Easily my favorite creators on the platform, the work you and Grace do to preserve bits of game history that get swept under the rug, mixed with your infectious enthusiasm, makes for such wonderful content. Thanks for always brightening my RU-vid feed, and in turn, my day!

I love the Mischief Makers music in the background.

Subscribed for the good boys. The one on the right looks like he is getting up there in age. Beautiful pups!

Doom and Wolfenstein in RPG form? You’re speaking my language! ;) I’m not really big on phone/mobile games, even less so when these games came out, so I hadn’t heard of them before. I’ll have to look into how I can play these games myself. Here’s to hoping for an official re-release somewhere down the road! Thank you for once again opening my eyes to another obscure corner of gaming history! :)

I forgot how much In The Waiting Line slaps.

Derek really showing off the guns in this episode. I’m of course talking about the one that squirts Holy Water and *absolutely nothing else*

Hearing MetalJesus and Scott in this video throws me for a loop but I'm all for it! Great video on an extremely underrated little set of phone games.

Had to pause when my ears stumbled over "malloc". Did NOT expect to hear about dynamic memory allocation in a SSFF video xD Great coverage! Too bad I pwned my iPhone, i'd totally revisit the Doom RPGs!

I had Doom RPG for my Motorola Razr flip phone. Long hours spent on the city bus playing DOOM RPG

I had these games on my phone years ago, to play on the train ride to work. They weren't bad.

I love your videos. I missed you deeply. Cheers from Mexico!

I had these on my old Motorola V3 Razr, back in like 2007. I loved playing them. Glad to see them get such praise.

Special shoutout to DoomRL, an extremely unique twist on the traditional roguelike that was made yeeeears before the modern roguelite boom occurred.

Orcs & Elves was such a good dungeon crawler on the DS. Still have my copy. Honestly think it deserved more credit for that. It's a deeply under-served take on the RPG. There's just so long & far between solid entries despite being such a storied sub-genera.

I played this version all the time, loved it so much!

Wolfenstein RPG was very good I played it in 2022 on a Nokia and I still remember it as the best rpg I played at that time

That ad hook at the beggining was super smooth

Though I may have never played doom myself, it's always fun to hear you talk about doom on this channel. And I will take your advice about using older IOS to find harder to search games, because I'm curious about a couple myself that seemed to be gone from modern software.

Nice video! I had never heard of Doom RPG games before. I'd love to see you talking about the rewrite of Doom for the 32X called "Doom 32X Resurrection".

This is one of the best videos yallve made

Uncle Derek is responsible for all my Mischief Makers flashbacks. I hadn't thought about that music for YEEEEEEEEEEEARS.

I think the death saturn was in a museum somewhere and was made as a joke Edit: love your dogs, there’s something I wish one could pet