Doombringer Necromancer! Everything You Asked For, Nothing You Wanted | Build Guide Review

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00:00 Tier 90 Gameplay
01:55 What is this Build?
03:29 Key Stats for the Build
04:34 Your Skill of Choice
05:41 Important Aspects
07:40 What's the Problem?
11:37 Is the Build Good?
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@MacroBioBoi 15 дней назад

Like and Subcribe if you haven't already. Thanks for Watching! D4 Planner: maxroll.gg/d4/planner/kj31m0vg

@DARKCOP2011 14 дней назад

I wish i have 10% of you knowledge to be better at the game

@manafount2600 14 дней назад

I really appreciate that you not only put out this video, but didn't try to misrepresent the build's strength for view count. That said, I groaned a little bit when I saw the elemental surge temper. I get the reasoning, but (like you later explained), double blight feels like a much more apt weapon temper. I don't think that would have made a meaningful enough difference in how the build performs for the reasons you went over later in the video, but it made me more skeptical of your testing - until you broke down the numbers you were seeing in more detail. I just hope Blizzard is taking some of this feedback about Uniques into account. I actually think it would be a huge mistake to allow tempering on Uniques (even if it would be the easiest, laziest fix), but Unique weapons are by far the hardest to fit into a build when you have to consider that you're losing out on the immensely powerful weapon and offensive tempers that you could be getting by slotting in a generic legendary weapon.

@sikutheshrink2787 15 дней назад

I really admire your passion and creativity Mac. Keep these videos coming I want to watch em all!

@sebastianhaberling1116 15 дней назад

thanks a lot for testing!

@Xarrio 14 дней назад

Good explanation. I think this highlights why flat damage is a bad idea on items that are used on all classes. Blight has a base 40% LHC total per cast and hits relatively slow (3 times per sec maybe? just looking at the video). This just isn't going to proc very often because of that (maybe 0.5 procs per second with lots of +LHC). Versus Puncture for rogues which has a base 35% LHC and with attack speed increases, +LHC, double hit temper and fundamental puncture skill passive (3x blades), we can be hitting 36 times per second (and proccing doom around 4 times per second, ~8x more often than necro using blight). There is just no way to balance a flat damage around all of the different classes abilities/scalings. This is also why, as you mentioned, it is generally a bad idea to try to fit flat damage items into builds that aren't designed solely around proccing that item. Just isn't worth the tradeoff of using something else that scales your main damage source.

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

In a nutshell, yep. And it sucks.

@mulu452 14 дней назад

All your effort is greatly appreciated!

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Thank you for the support!

@TheCooderix 14 дней назад

I hate to have to be the one who says it: But if you're clearing a 90 with this, then it's SUPER viable. The baseline of whether a build is viable is 61, anything above that is welcomed.

@CVSiN 14 дней назад

90 is what 70s used to be. pathetic.

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

I didn't say it wasn't "Viable". I said it wasn't good.

@TheCooderix 14 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoi That's fair

@roguenecro1133 14 дней назад

I feel like uniques in general (outside of a select few) are just way weaker this season. Especially with the introduction of tempering. I feel like they should allow us to have special tempers for them to make them stronger or just buff their base stats

@jonesnaround 14 дней назад

Thanks for all the work, I watched most of your other video while you were live. Keep up the great work love the videos.

@chris.w391 15 дней назад

Nice video! Really need someone to explore more on different builds. But I think blood surge puts doom in to good use. Pushed it to pit 117.

@GregArnott 14 дней назад

Thanks for this test. Quality work and to great detail as always. Double disappointment - to find out Doombringer still isn't for Necros, and that Shadow DoT still isn't Darkness (something I've hoped to be resolved for quite a while).

@travis1118 15 дней назад

Well damn... It was worth a shot.

@mattthompson4167 15 дней назад

It was doomed from the start same may say 😉.. haha thanks for your content!

@vormarsch 14 дней назад

If we had additional weapon slots like Rogue or Barb, Doombringer could work for Overpower (Bloodlance / Bone Spirit) builds with at least 2 MW procs on the Max Life affix.

@aaronroberts1901 14 дней назад

Currently running tests on a bone storm lindless wall build, going through a lot of different builds for it but got it to a 105 so far. very tanky... havent died once while using it and dmg is okay, the DOT procs are near enough 1b at the peak in stun phases. Would love to see you take an adaptation of this

@drdynanite 15 дней назад

I think the stats itself are a bit weird for a weapon, and it's very hard for a necro to make much use of them. It does have some synergy with blood necro, but that's about it and blood builds aren't in a great spot this season anyway. As it stands in S4 Doombringer really looks like a support/utility weapon you can fit on barb and maybe rogue (just because they have more weapon slots and can afford to do it).

@DavidGonzalez-ml4nv 14 дней назад

Been tinkering with doom on Rogue since they have an extra weapon slot. Was curious to see if you tried mixing it in with the ebonpiercer and a Lidless or better shield… I’m currently running Seroc’s Blight and was hopeful on this video. Nevertheless, I might be recycling doom for something else.

@bensmit8113 14 дней назад

I put doombringer in my shadow minion build. Als maintaining bonestorm. Can do 110 pit pretty easy

@levinium 14 дней назад

X'fals doesn't proc based on your skills lucky hit chance. It procs based on some hidden unknown damage over time lucky hit chance. It's been extensively tested on sorcerer with really bizarre actual %s on different sources of burning.

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

It's not really unknown at all. DoTs just have a lucky hit calc and the tooltip is a hyper simplified version of it. The initial hit does carry a straight 1-1 calc of chance times chance. And most people won't grock the full breakdown of the calc for dots, so I keep it simple.

@CaptainCaddy 9 дней назад

I really hope doombringer and Necro gets some changes to allow this build to work. I would definitely play it

@ernomakkonen5200 14 дней назад

One of the problems with most unique weapons in d4 are the affixes they have. In most cases now bis affixes are main stat life crit/vuln dmg so in general in most cases the unique weapons affixes are less than desirable. One exception that comes to mind is ramaladnis which has max resource which scales its own unique power. They should make this sword work better for necro.

@commanderkeeno5552 15 дней назад

I was messing around with X’fals with my minion build. It’s interesting in combination the mages shadow damage. I will mess about with it again

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Minions cannot proc lucky hit chance and mages don't do damage over time. I wonder what you're using to proc it.

@commanderkeeno5552 13 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoi you’re right. I need to read how it works a but harder.

@df6597 10 дней назад

I'm doing something weird with hemorrhage, blood lance, iron maiden, tendrils and dark corpse explosion and the little blood transformation. It's fun to play, but seems to have energy issues (under level 60 still) and I'm concerned about the scalability of the mixed types of skills. I'm m interested in trying this ring and maybe the sword on this build. I've spotted a few glyphs that'll be handy, but the boards are looking sparse. That's nust a knee-jerk reaction coming from Rogue. I have some ideas, maybe try to work in immobilize or stun.

@Linxflasher 15 дней назад

I use Doombringer for my minion shadow build. The amount of hp it gives is insane and really helps to push high pit levels and survive. Yesterday done 110 pit with it. Sure i have one handed weapon which outperforms it in raw damage, but in high levels pit the damage is not an issue, but a survivability is a key. As for no minions build, yeah, judging by your video it looks weak compared to blight. By the way, would be interesting to see blood minion build with some uniques. I also want to drop Tyrael's might and try it with minions.

@bensmit8113 14 дней назад

Same

@joeschmidt8856 14 дней назад

CRIPPLING DARKNESS temper is something else

@Erik_The_White 15 дней назад

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the mechanics, but doesn't a lucky hit proc simply roll one effect from a table of your characters possible effects? So then, the more effects that are in that pool of lucky hit proccs, means they are all competing? Wouldn't you want fewer effects if your going to build a damage set around it? The tooltip says 'up to a 25% chance'. So I would think that chance would go down as the lucky hit table is getting full of other possible effects.. /shrug Just a thought....

@Orthus100 14 дней назад

No, that's not remotely how it works. Every hit or tick of damage rolls for Lucky Hit for every applicable effect. The only limiting factor is a single cast can only proc each discrete Lucky Hit effect once, no matter how many ticks or extra projectiles it has.

@TheStatisticalPizza 13 дней назад

@@Orthus100 wait I didn't know that - so a single cast of blight could only hit Doom once even though blight does 13 instances of damage? Wow that's pretty bad

@jonathanmann9906 14 дней назад

Been trying to get this to work every season lol, the pieces are just not there yet

@Th3Psych0hippy 15 дней назад

Soooo doombringer best use case is on a HC shadow minion using a shield? is aphotic going to spam proc all these lucky hits assuming you spam raise skele?

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Minions can't proc lucky hit chance. They have a bugged interaction with Decrepify.

@BonkMachine 14 дней назад

Im also running a shadow dmg lucky hit/dmg over time build and I cant get above pit tier 90. My dmg is somewhat okay, but I get one shot by any elite effect and I just dont know how to improve, since I never got any uber drop and the stats on my gear already seems good stat wise...

@wojciechwilczynski5309 14 дней назад

Don't minions proc lucky hit chance effects?

@Jahzeiyus 12 дней назад

You would think the class that has bonuses to shadow damage and the only class that can wear a shield would benefit from wearing something doombringer. It just doesn't. We need deaths web as an uber unique.

@xavierdoesntmatter 14 дней назад

So the 2 handed weapon causes the ring to get 10k more damage, but the attack speed is slower. I feel like that would be a significant factor to me because higher attack speed means more chances for it to trigger. Am I wrong on that being a factor? I asked ChatGPT the 1 handed vs 2 handed with the attack speed and it came to the conclusion that on average the 2 handed does less damage when hoping to trigger the ability simply because of more attacks and even showed it's math. Am I missing something?

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Idk how ChatGPT could answer attack speed breakpoints since humans don't know them yet, but while the base attack speed is slower, with added attack speed you can hit the same animation breakpoints. We just don't know them yet.

@xavierdoesntmatter 14 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoi Tooltip says that the sword has a 1.1 attacks per second and the staff has a 0.9 attacks per second. Wiki even describes how attack speed is calculated when using 2 weapons.

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

I use saphires instead of emeralds, vulnerable damage increases your net damage across the board where as crits are just crits. And its a close range weapon not a distance weapon. I use sever not blight, the desecrate with blight works really well. Bonestorm isnt going to help you much unless you fight close, its alot of wasted damage staying at a distance unless you use lidless wall

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

Darkness skill is for sever. “Shadow damage over time” is for blight

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

And you have to use ebonpiercer with blight and xfals

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

Those 4 mini blight missles proc xfals all the time if you go in that direction

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

5:18 your keypassive damage is low “89%”

@angelofdestruction8914 14 дней назад

Youre not using any vulnerable at all? You need at least one skill that makes them vulnerable

@codzilla360 14 дней назад

Have you considered running minions to proc lucky hits more often with more attack speed?

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Minions don't proc lucky hit chance. They specifically have a bugged interaction with the skill Decrepify.

@codzilla360 14 дней назад

@MacroBioBoi Using bone mages to cast bone spear, they do trigger lucky hits because they can generate corpses off hewed flesh. Not sure you could use that for doombringer though

@MacroBioBoi 13 дней назад

@@codzilla360 those arent your mages actually casting bone spear, I know it's weird but it's actually the Necro casting bone spear out of your minions, mechanically speaking.

@patricktalbot6725 14 дней назад

What about the moonrise + adaptability combo on a basic skill like decompose ? Works for andariel rogue…

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Decompose is a channeled skill and cannot apply faster, nor does it benefit from attack speed.

@blaynegreiner9365 10 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoiWhich is the big sad reason I have never bothered attempting to make a decompose build work. If you get the decompose aspects early, it is pretty good for leveling, but between minions and blood surge there really is no point. I would love to have a badass basic skill build like other classes have but Necro is always left lurching, it seems.

@plague-3845 14 дней назад

Please do some blood builds brother 🙏 starless skies 👀

@TheRandalHandle 14 дней назад

Well, now I don't feel bad about never finding a doom bringer

@Smintjes 14 дней назад

Got a Doombringer yesterday. Is there any Barb build that can use this? Or is it an instant resplendant spark?

@hanCOCKDICKson 14 дней назад

My guess would be thorn barb

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

I think most barbs use it for the free bonus to max life.

@Smintjes 14 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoi Thank you!

@bonelessthincrust 14 дней назад

no ranks to blight and no ebonpiercer irks me terribly... I could never play this

@bill8039 14 дней назад

See I thought lucky hit only works off the first hit not damage overtime. So I use blood or bone for lucky hit procs.

@MacroBioBoi 14 дней назад

Luckily DoTs also get to proc lucky hit chance. If they didn't, blighted corpse explosion would be very bad.

@bill8039 14 дней назад

@@MacroBioBoi Good to know. I have been really trying to make a blood nova build with the Cruor's Embrace gloves. If you use the double nova proc aspec it works with the mini novas and the minion mini novas novas from ‍Deathspeaker's Pendant. Its fun I would like to see what you come up with if you do a blood build.

@kylebusc3624 6 дней назад

Has anyone tried throwing doombringer or andy on a bone spear build? I havent had either drop but i do have 72% lucky hit chance on my bone spear without really trying to get lucky hit plus i would be hitting with 4-6 projectiles every attack with a very fast attack speed.

@MacroBioBoi 5 дней назад

You can, it just doesn't do anything meaningful. At least, while scaling bone spear to actually do damage.

@MrVTiKay 15 дней назад

so... it's just for fun build

@Silent_Onis 14 дней назад

Xfal on the paper it’s an improved andariel’s visage and somehow it’s not. Why is that?

@pponto69 14 дней назад

Xfal don't do DoT, it's just a explosion. Xfal can crit, but cant accumulate DoT.

@pponto69 14 дней назад

But I think doombringer is for Necro like andariels is for rogues, in the shadow vs poison builds.

@chapawaiian 13 дней назад

No ebon piercer?

@MacroBioBoi 13 дней назад

Ebonpiercer doesn't proc lucky hit.

@jammur6917 12 дней назад

Doombringer has become the most useless uber. No class uses it in any build as BiS, as far as I know. I am ready to salvage mine, after trying it on Barb and Rogue to no avail.

@kamuimusackie 14 дней назад

Somebody donate an Andariel's to this man so he can become icarus before he leaves doomy behind

@simohayha435 15 дней назад

Nobringer sadge

@Zombgetsu 14 дней назад

Guess ill just use it on my thorns barb then 😂. 🤷

@blaynegreiner9365 10 дней назад

I love how even things meant to be tools for Necros are more useful for Barbs. The devs really, really play with kid gloves when balancing Necros but let anything go with Barbs. I don't know why they are always so hesitant to let Necros be strong but let Ball Lightning be literally busted, as in overpowered due to a bug, for an entire season. And Barbs you know..just exist in a permanent state of destruction because they get so many more slots than everyone and they haven't figured that out yet.

@robertm8869 15 дней назад

Xfal ring does more damage

@d3filer 15 дней назад

This really reminds me about D3. Legendary items had cool proc abilities and were good until stupid sets killed them with their ridiculous multipliers. Looks like D4 will go into the same direction.

@TemplarIRL 14 дней назад

Shouldn't have the set problem in d4 since we have aspects and paragons to play the way we want. Uniques are gonna be the "set" items for D4 where in order to clear the next milestone, you need something game changing found with using a unique to achieve something you otherwise could't. Necro blight amulet or sorc frozen orb amulet, for example.

@zakschermerhorn505 13 дней назад

Game starting to look like D3.5

@LordNerfherder 15 дней назад

Why doombringer :/ xfals is ok but just not enough right now. Doombringer damage reduction isnt needed. The loss of tempering and and a legendary power is just not ok to replace with a low flat dmg proc. The lucky hit tempering is also wrong. It does not do anything. A slightly more normal build is required. Bonestorm+blight is best(er). Corpseexplosion, blight and bonestorm together proccs fairly many xfals. Stacking more lucky hit proccs is a direct loss of dps. I got more damage by not choosing that proc lucky hit temper and not doombringer. A lot more. Probably 50-60% higher. Maybe more. That being said, it still was not very powerful. The conclusion is that with temper etc uniques just arent very good and also flat damage doesnt have enough vectors to scale from. Flat damage and uniques are in a bad place right now. They dont scale with the new stuff.

@blaynegreiner9365 10 дней назад

As are so many other things...

@eagleotto2527 10 дней назад

Me playing a blood build and doing 3Mil Damage max with an overpower: 300Mil damage isnt good enough. (Dies)

@Parinirva 14 дней назад

If you like to gamble and lose every time, play this build :D

@Kotwurf 14 дней назад

there is nothing uber in some uberunics. some unics at all. :-/

@RambroPrime 13 дней назад

Uniques in general are boo boo. NO normal legendary should have any higher stats than a unique. The aspects and gimmicks of uniques just aren't worth it. My account has 8 lvl 100 toons, uniques used....2. Really says something about the state of them.

@Sirabot 15 дней назад

Im tired of huge hp pools and giant numbers. I miss getting excited for a 172 damage crit. The numbers we deal with now barely mean anything. 50 billion damage is incomprehensible.

@thefilth7368 14 дней назад

Big props to going all in on a build just to find out that it's dogshit. (Honestly how I feel about all necro builds...)

@russelljackson8153 15 дней назад

I super-hate those wings and wish I could hide everyone's wings in game.

@notee2556 15 дней назад

I don't like them either even though I bought the ultimate edition. But as soon as I saw your comment you gave me a reason to put those wings on. Thank you.

@coreymcglone 15 дней назад

Hahaha they’re so fucking ugly 😂

@thianhw6611 15 дней назад

@@notee2556 lets do it!

@MarinusMakesStuff 15 дней назад

I wouldn't mind looking at wings if they were correctly designed but the in-game wings just look disproportionately designed. It is as if the wings of the fly were not correctly developed inside the pupa.

@XGenesis84 15 дней назад

Lol! I can't stand them either. The wings which can't fly. At first I thought why there were suddenly so many butterflies around.

@ryanirl2398 14 дней назад

I just dont understand how the game has so many terrible additives an almost every cool sounding item that creates an explosion off a proc etc, xfals, druids bear/poison. Necros pops. Shreds an rabbies interactions. They are all so nerfed an low after level 70 they srent even worth using.

@Dorekus 14 дней назад

Wow thats pretty bad haha.

@charalamposkallimanis9609 14 дней назад

I really like your videos but I unistalled Diablo 4 because it does not feel fun. Once you make your build there is nothing else to fight for. You can see best builds in The Gaunlet and if you want to make something different it does not work that good. After all these seasons, end game is still meh. Also many items and abilities do not work as intented and that makes me even more resistant to play.