Doug Gottlieb Disputes Nick Wright's 'Case Against Michael Jordan' Rant 

He has the voice of a 3rd grader too lmao

I was just saying that same sentiment in regards to Nick Wright...a whole 🤡

lebron couldn't even get into the playoffs his first years that's being a winner

So true

The arguments they come up with are outright silly.

LEGACY MEANS NOTHING IF U PLAY VS UNDERDOGS U CANT HAVE 4 HOF AND KNICKS ONLY EWING. JORDAN IS NOBODY IN HISTORY. WILT IS GOD !!

Well it just so happens that Jordan has the stats and rings as well 🤣

@@PIP...33 God is the Father of Jesus Christ.

@@John6-40 WHAT STATS ??? WHAT RINGS ?? HORRY 7 RINGS AND MOST DAGGERS IN HISTORY. TOO BAD JORDAN HAS NO 7 RINGS AND NEED KERR PAXSON KUKOC DAGGERS. HORRY WINNING RINGS WITH HIS SHOOTS, JORDAN CRY FROM OTHERS TO SAVE HIS RINGS.

Bill Russel has a better legacy and Kareem does too.

Me tooooo best ive ever seen!!!!

Sorry you lost your TV privileges.

Easily. That’s the thing. It’s not even close.

I wish I got to watch him

@@roselelouch3038 If you seen Kobe play you seen Jordan. Only thing is, Kobe was a better defender of great players. Jordan could not defend great players, not saying that he did not try, but it was brutal.

Those who make that foolish Jordan didn't win anything without Pippen argument are grasping at straws in desperation. Jordan played exactly three seasons with the Bulls before Pippen arrived and one of those seasons, MJ was injured most of the season and played in only 18 regular season games. And you're absolutely right about Pippen developing alongside Jordan. Pippen was drafted as an unknown after playing college ball at the garbage NAIA level and only averaged slightly under 8 ppg as a rookie. Can any of those Jordan detractors name a player that developed into a HOF while playing alongside Lebron, starting out as someone coming off the bench averaging less than double figure ppg, after coming into the league as someone nobody had ever heard of?

I honestly feel it was more important for mj that he had phil than scottie. Playing with mj and in the triangle under arguably the greatest coach ever is a role many different players could fill. No one could do mj's job as well as he did

​@@demontiakpinkney5881 When did Pippen win more games with the Bulls without MJ? After taking off the entire 93-94 season, MJ returned for the last 17 regular season games of the 94-95 season and the team won 14 of those games after being one game over .500 prior to that. MJ had just completed a three peat with the Bulls before taking off most of those two seasons before Rodman ever arrived there. And Lebron also played with two guys who finished third in MVP voting in DWade and ADavis. Also Lebron and his Miami Heat team with three all stars lost in the finals to the Mavericks in 2011 with only one all star on their roster... do you like that or not? Can you name another time in NBA history when that happened?

@@demontiakpinkney5881 The 1993-94 Eastern Conference was severely weakened, not just with Michael Jordan's retirement. Atlanta had the best record in the East despite trading Dominique Wilkins for Danny Manning after the All-Star Game break. Cleveland made the playoffs despite losing Brad Daugherty and Larry Nance to career-ending injuries. Boston lost Kevin McHale to retirement and Reggie Lewis died before the start of the season. Detroit's Isiah Thomas suffered his career-ending Achilles injury that season. Charlotte's Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning suffered a series of injuries that kept the Hornets out of the playoffs. That is a lot of perennial All-Stars and future hall of famers to remove from the chessboard at once. The Bulls were able to survive because they still had most of the roster and the entire coaching staff from a team that won three straight championships, plus added Toni Kukoc to the mix. And yet the Bulls lost in the second round of a weakened East because their 1993-94 numbers were down from the previous season and it was because Jordan was gone.

@@demontiakpinkney5881 Michael Jordan basically played two seasons and missed most of a third season before Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen. You're acting like Pippen was an All-NBA player when he came to Chicago. He sat behind Brad Sellers as a rookie, and it took him several years to develop into an All-Star-caliber player. And you keep going on about Chicago's record in the playoffs in Jordan's first three playoff appearances. Two of the series losses came to one of the greatest teams in NBA history (the Larry Bird-led Celtics) and the third series loss came to a veteran, deep Milwaukee team (essentially the 1980s equivalent of the current Miami Heat roster -- a team made up of switchable 6-foot-4 to 6-8 defensive-oriented, mentally tough, battle-tested players). Meanwhile, LeBron James' teams didn't make the playoffs in his first two seasons. And I certainly would keep quiet after we just saw a LeBron-led team with him, Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook -- which was favored to win the NBA title -- fail to make the playoffs and nearly lost 50 games this season.

True that last game against the jazz had 39 million views!

well said. This is where people miss what constitutes greatness. Skill, achievements is one thing. But when you literally re contextualize the game for people before you and after you, that is greatness! When you make documentaries a thing to do (watch the number of documentaries done now), when you are the first to do shoe lines, the first to popularize a number, etc. You literally create a path for others to follow. That is greatness. It doesn't mean others aren't great, but paving the path for others makes the path easier for others!

@@maczed31 ok Allen iverson did all that that doesn’t make him a goat lol

Expand

@@bighomiedot4729 Iverson also didn't even win once and only made it even to the Finals once. All the extra mystique matters a ton, but it only matters at all if you meet the first requirement of a GOAT, which is to win.

Well Said!

@@demontiakpinkney5881 what you mean help? None of the first three peat had been on a championship team, but LeBron went to Miami where D.Wade had won

LeBron did not win a rain till he got Kyrie Irving Kevin Love Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, Ray Allen. And the bubble that they create it after he laid off of 4 months before he played.

How many rings does kyrie,Bosh,ad,and love have without bron? Same as me

@@noahpassmore6452 same amount pip got without mike!!!!

Pippen wasn't drafted by the bulls he was traded to the bulls by the sonics

​@@michaelkawell5861 - There is a difference between getting selected and drafted. Pippen left the draft as a Bull which I view it as actually being drafted. If a team selects you and then give you away 3 picks later, they didn't draft you. Pippen was only selected by the Sonics, but was actually drafted by the Bulls. Pippen was NEVER a Sonic and they gave away their draft rights to the Bulls for a player and picks.

@@michaelkawell5861 you are correct that on paper, Pippen was drafted by the Sonics just like Kobe was drafted by Charlotte. Pippen was used as draft bait so it doesn’t change the fact that the Bulls wanted him bad enough to give up more draft capital to acquire him. It’s kinda like trying to point out who is the real mother. If she raised you from birth, you are the mother regardless of coming out of someone else’s womb.

Don't forget Dominique Wilkins

When Hakeem and Clyde got his he was retired. Kobe and Shaq and the Spurs got theirs MJs wizards yrs. It’s hilarious how Nick Wrong can be on tv spewing lies and bullshit

but he said only 1. mj own team. ahahahahahaha! funny as hell nick wrong.

@@gabeyoung4907 good point. He’s another one

@@HardWorkENT23 it’s so easy to see through his hot garbage takes

@arronnov nothing wrong go to the another team but by deciding teamup with this superstars and have the power to fire coach and trade players u suppose to win 10chips in ur career . Imagine jordan have that power in this softest era ,trading teamates,firing coash and avrg 40-50pts a game . Lebron is the greatest player in this era and i put lebron over kobe i think kobe is overreted but the GOAT? NO! ther are only 3 player u can debate whos the GOAT thats Mj/kareem and bill Russell .

@@dtechzsama Thank you. LeBron is free to do whatever he wants. But people are trying to compare accomplishments when LeBron has taken a different route than any other superstar in history. He has moved THREE times! He has never been the foundation of a team that went from nothing to championship like almost every other superstar. And he leaves (quits) the minute he feels the team is no longer on top of the mountain. I think this says it all... LeBron, even after getting AD, still tried to recruit Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler. SMH. He loves the deck stacked in his favor but he wants full credit for everything he does.

@@TayGee-mh8eo Shows you that He just really want to be like mike and want to surpass him as the GOAT . All this GOAT talks are just for entertainment all this liberal sports media wants to stay relevant and confuse this new generation fans about ther bullsh**t

@@dtechzsama Preach

​@@dtechzsama There are parallels. The liberal sports media is accustomed to directing how we view sports. They frame things in a way that manipulate us into thinking what they want us to think. Except it's not working with LeBron James. They have spent years trying to convince us that LeBron is the GOAT. Every season is a referendum on LeBron's status as GOAT. Nothing else matters. The NBA is so desperate to fill that massive black hole of popularity that MJ left that they need to convince the world there is someone better to bring the fans back. But we are not stupid. This is like trying to convince us that Usher is a better entertainer than Michael Jackson in his prime. Those that actually watched know better. And there are plenty of videos posted that educate the others. The media's inability to change the narrative pisses off them off because it exposes how they aren't omnipotent. No one is talking about Anthony Davis, who was the true matchup nightmare for every team the Lakers played. AD may as well be BJ Armstrong. The 2020 NBA Finals was the least watched NBA Finals on record. We are not stupid.

i make this argument every time with lebron fanatics. if you saw jordan during the mid 90s there is no way you can say lebron is on the same tier as mj.

I've watched MJ, the problem is have YOU watched LBJ? I will one up you - tell me one time where Mj had a better finals game than LBJ's May 31 2018 game 1 of the finals. Against 4 HOF, 73-9 team plus KD and he goes 51 pts/8 reb/8 ass, 59% FG and 33% 3pt. Away from home. Or the year before the 3-1 comeback against 4 HOF again... When did MJ play vs anything even remotely close to this type of competition? The norm for LBJ is to play vs 3-4 HOF stacked teams...first breather in 10 years was 2020. All you MJ worshipers have as arguments is 6-0 and 2011...like MJ played only 6 years and LBJ played only in 2011. It doesn't work like that.

@@harrybg998 the norm for LeBron is to play 3-5 HOF teams. That is so funn

@@harrybg998 been watching basketball since the mid 80s...never seen anything like MJ... To be honest that ring against the Warriors made me change my view on Bron and he entered my all time top 5 but I am not impressed with a forward having 8 rebounds in a finals game in a time where point guards average triple doubles cos there are so many rebounds to grab in this trigger happy, high scoring league. Teams attempt almost 3 times as many 3s compared to the 90s...so how many rebounds would Bron average in times where games ended 70 to 78 ? 6.4 and chubby Charles Barkley averaged more rebounds , blocks and steals than Bron. Bron is awesome but he has some major weaknesses: Free throws and especially late in the game...it means he will shy away from driving to the basket to avoid going to the line. He averages way to few rebounds as an all time great...he is a 6.8 powerhouse at forward with freaky athletic gifts ... His blocks and steals are too low as well...just all defensive stats. Bron is unfortunately not even Top 25 defensively and I mean at forward, even though he has shown that he has the IQ to be a defensive force...we've seen him do that but he sometimes takes complete games off on D. Just sad. You know I have mad respect for Bron but he is just not on MJs level. MJ was arguably the best defensive SG of all time...he averaged more blocks per game than Bron...as a matter of fact, 40 yr old MJ on the Wizards averaged more blocks than Bron in his last year in Cleveland. Actually even Dwayne Wade averaged more blocks than Bron...

@@thedudeunchained7583 these Bronsexuals are delusional

He was calling out a double standard dummy. He never says those things in his argument. He is pointing out what mj lovers do.

At least he went to the finals in those years. 9 years of MJ's career was irrelevant.

He’s saying MJ played more then 6 years

6 finals 6playoffs loses.. LBJ 17 years 10 finals 4 wins 6losses... Well I'm ok losing in the finals than the playoffs especially losing in first round

And Lebron succeeded far more in those non championship years than Jordan did is his non championship years, but no one mentions that.

@Rob L I wasn’t talking about 1994 when Jordan didn’t play. They made it sound as if when Pippen arrived in 87-88 he was the difference maker in making the bulls above .500 that year. I’m saying his stats for his rookie year show otherwise. Also Pippen didn’t become the player we know him today to be until the 91-93 seasons.

@Rob L MJ made Pippen. If Pippen was not traded to the Bulls on draft day he would have been just another guy. No one knew who Pippen was when he was drafted. It took Pippen four years before he was ready for championship basketball. I grew up on the southside of Chicago in the 80's & 90's and saw MJ and Pippen whole career.

@@adamcarpenter1869 That is irrelevant because once Pippen became reliable, he ended up being one of the best players ever and arguably the best defender in the 90s (you can even make the case ever). Pippen started to show his potential starting from the 89-90 season.

@@djbhe This whole 'MJ made Pippen' is being overstated. Pippen already had the potential because by that same logic why was Pippen the only player that was 'made' by MJ? MJ played with many good players not just Pippen (certainly if you look at Pippen's rookie season). Furthermore, look at how Kobe started? It took him a couple of years also. Who 'made' him? Some basketball players take longer to become great and some are great from the start (i.e. LBJ).

@@EntertainmentGuru101 not irrelevant. I was disagreeing with the assertion that Pippen was the reason the bulls went above .500 when Pippen got there his rookie season. I’m saying that wasn’t entirely true based on his stats his rookie season.

^ true story

DWade was only good in the first two years. In the third year, he was deteriorating and in the fourth year, he was not the same anymore. Just look at his Finals performance. Bosh was also not playing to his level in the Finals in 2014. Cannot put that on LBJ

@@EntertainmentGuru101 stop with the excuses, tim duncan was 40 at the time

@@EntertainmentGuru101 ... Wade didn't deteriorate. He had to learn how to play off the ball so Lebron could control the ball more because he can't play off the ball. And guess who Wade watched tapes of in order to learn how???? MICHAEL JORDAN!!!

@@riccolewis7399 thank you

@@ericjordan6059 Wade had health problems... whether he learned from whomever does not change his health

LeBron was robbed of DPOY 2012-2013. He was in MVP running this year, and had other years he should have likely won MVP. He's got a shot at 2-3 more rings. Jordan doesn't have an assists title. LeBron just got 1 and could get another (and perhaps more). So we'll see how it goes for LeBron over the next 4 or 5 years.

Uk the arguement is weak when they put dunk titles up there 😂🤣

@@ByWhatDesign should of would of could of, like sayin bulls would of won not 1 not 2,3,4,5,6,7,8🤣🤣🤣🤣 truth is, lebron is lazy and sucks at defense otherwise he would of been to contest like with Jordan!!!

@@bighomiedot4729 that's cuz bron is a puss who didnt want any smoke from dunk contests 😂😂

@@darylboyd14 how he was dominant with defense this year

But the p problem is that nobody cares how dominant the teams are during LeBron era. Everyone just poo poos on this modern era.

I thought he would’ve mention the bucks

The bucks have the most wins for an eastern Conf team in the 80s. They were always in the top 3 in standings

They held the #2 seed from 80-86... won 60 games in 80 and over 50 for the next 8 years. They had no super stars but were in a stacked East going against the dynasty Celtics bad boy pistons and 76ers when they were great. Also bulls were up and coming. Just because you are like 15-16 doesn’t mean you know everything about basketball. Just because you haven’t heard of a lot of players before your time doesn’t mean they were bad. You just know what u seen during your generation. They went to the Conf finals 4 times but couldn’t beat pistons celts or 76ers who were HOF teams...

@Me Too but Lebron got hoed by lil ass j j barea and Jason terry who never made an all star team and will never be HOF. Jordan won 6/6 no matter how u slice it bron lost 6. I love bron but I can’t make someone who lost 6 times the goat. Also Jordan dominated people bigger than him during his run and lebron dominates the people smaller than him which he is supposed to do...

Nick wrong is the real looser

Nick Wright is a zero in life so he's in no position to call anyone else a loser.

MJ never beat a team in the Finals that eventually won a ring. LBJ beat the Spurs dynasty( or Duncan would be 6-0 in finals) and he beat the warrior dynasty.

@JERMAINE FISHER which of those teams had three hall of famers in their primes or at all. The lakers were good but old. LeBron played the warriors, Spurs, thunder with three plus hofers each. He beat them all once and lost as well. Jordan’s competition was weak. He was on the only super team in the league. LeBron has played two dynasties at their peaks.

Jordan played the pistons before IT got hurt and the Celtics dynasties and was 0fer.

@JERMAINE FISHER didn’t he win the MVP ? They had klay steph with, green and Iggy vs LeBron and delavadova. That team is better than any team Jordan beat.

@JERMAINE FISHER what r u talking about? Parker and ginobli and Kawhi were not going to the hof if they don’t win in 2014? One series result changes how good of a player they are? That’s nonsense. Nobody is in the hof until they retire and get voted in. Jordan had 2 hof teammates and the goat coach and never beat a team that had more than he did. When he was outnumbered he didn’t even make the finals. Couldn’t beat the pistons until they got old. Never beat the Celtics. At least LeBron beat the Spurs and warriors when they had the hof number advantage.

Definitely on the payroll

😂😂😂

@Robert Crocker Nick lies by omitting context. He does it all the time. That entire list of all players who won on MJ's watch (LOL) were in either MJ's rookie or second season or when he was a Wizard! Except for Magic in 87, 88 and Isiah in 89 and 90 and Hakeem in 95. Any idea how long the list is who won on Lebron's watch... you got time because that list's twice as long Oh and complete loser without Pippen is such nonsense. So the season MJ was DPOY and MVP and he was an absolute freak at both ends. That was Scotties rookie season. Scottie and Horace were both 7ppg rookies, Scottie did not start a single game that season. But yeah MJ only won that year because of Scottie. The only time's MJ faced Larry was Larry's peak prime and he had 5 HOF on his team! So yes Nick did not lie, Larry swept MJ twice when MJ had pretty terrible teams. Ask yourself this, would Lebron not get swept by the 86 Celtics in his 2nd or 3rd season? Of course he would. Lebron was swept by the 07 Spurs his 4th season, the 07 Spurs were a really good team, maybe 35th best all time. The 86 Celtics are top 5 best team in history.

@@bobbyd1632 wow look at that long list of excuses you typed up. great job.

@@The_Notorious_CRG Come on Bro if adding context and clarity to correct a really misleading statement are excuses then you're brainwashed AF

Poppa Hoggg “all the superstars”. Tell me what Bosh/Love/Kyrie did before and after playing with LeBron other then miss the playoffs 18/25 total years without playing with LeBron in a league where 16/30 make it!

Poppa Hoggg So bc MJ had a HOF coach and more importantly GM who acquired talent (Pippen and Grant in 87) and Cavs first 7 years were horrid LeBron should of just stayed in awful situation where they drafted or acquired no legit talent? 🤣

He's an idiot he said jordan never beat a super team then says there were three super teams the celtics magic and pistons and his record against them was 2-6 in order for his record to be 2-6 against those super teams it implies that he beat them therefore he contradicts his own so called point he's a sophomore (wise fool)

GmsStreetSharks the only SUPER TEAM he played was 85/86 celtics in playoffs and swept twice

Mj had 2 Hall of Famers and a hof coach

@dfrinsco facts....they lost on a bad call too.

Hmmm...but when the Bulls refused to re-sign Phil and Pippen after the 1998 Championship when MJ was still in his prime, he realized he was gonna be without his superpowers so he quit the game all together. But he didn't need a superteam... gotcha 😉

@@mobetta2092 Lebrons played with 40 all stars compared to Jordans 2. This year alone he had AD, Howard and Rondo.

@@MichaelP-ke1tm Rondo and Dwight? Really? How many teams were pursuing these two this year?

@@mobetta2092 My point stands. 40 all stars and like 20 hall of famers for 4-6.

You gotta point with that one💯

@@calvinmack151 I'm willing to bet if there was an audit of Klutch Sports, you will find an odd account or entry that masks payments to Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright. They are LeBron James propagandists! I stand on the fact that several in sports media are paid bt Klutch. Some are not monetary, they receive perks like invitations to events and parties, free merch etc. Nick is the nerd who knows nothing about basketball's intricacies, just number crunching and thinks that makes him an authority. Then it's his duty to manipulate and spin interpretation of those numbers in LBJ and his sorry attempt to declare LeBron James the goat.

PREACH!!👏👏👏

@@seanswinton6242 Not sure if you're being serious or not but I'm with you. Dude got Michele Beadle fired from his network ESPN and their is this thing about LeBron that he needs to control the narrative about his image.

Yo guys for sure complained about fouls like a lot back then too. It is definitely softer now, but don’t act like people didn’t complain.

I’m tired of this argument it was physical cuz the level of talent is not even comparable in today’s game...if u play basketball u know 9/10 the most physical players on the court can’t really play so they compensate for physicality cuz they lack the overall talent if u look at all the physical teams back then how many of those physical guys where really elite players charles Barkley is not coming down pulling threes Patrick Ewing is not dribbling the ball down the court the talent in the nba now compared to then is unmatched

LeBron could play and shine in that ara too.

@@BullishArms the best defensive players are always physical. Also centers were coached to post up all game instead of shooting 3s which was usually left for the weaker players in those days. Being elite at one skill rather than being better all around as a player. Todays game is different you cant honestly say embiid is better than olajuwon or shaq cause he can shoot 3s.

Stupid argument. Basketball was never football. The constant talk about the league being better 20 years ago, is just a stupid premise. Players today are bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled. Jordan didn’t play any teams in the finals that had more than 1.5 stars.

There is a good argument that Lebron is better than Jordan except that his own argument went off the deep end

@@bearholdensharkslux4791 I’m not sure if it’s a “good” argument, but I agree that I’d definitely be more open to discussing that argument if he hadn’t narcissistically inserted himself into the conversation and called himself “the goat”. Not sure it would change my mind about his path to his championships or his losses, but I’d at least be able discuss his career without considering his own arrogance about the subject.

Two honest questions, no shade intended: 1) Did you watch the context of Nick Wright's entire conversation with Chris Broussard? Because while Doug painted this as Nick popping off at the mouth, this was actually him responding to a list of reasons that Chris provided for why he felt Jordan was the goat. It wasn't just him spinning a narrative for clicks, he was responding to points with counter points in the middle of a back and forth, not just publishing an anti-Jordan manifesto. Ironic how Doug claimed that context was important while taking Nick's comments completely out of context... 2) Do you hold calling themselves the greatest against other elite athletes like Ali, Floyd, Dion... Etc? Again no shade just curious. I think this debate captivates people because as much as the two sides insist it ain't close, it actually is closer empirically than it is emotionally which makes it fascinating. Personally I think LeBron ultimately has more utility as far as what you can call on him to do in a game or a series, but in the dictionary next to "basketball player" there should be a picture of Michael Jordan because they way he played the game was more beautiful than anyone will ever see again. He was a clinician on the court, and the fact that he did what he did during the toughest defensive era of basketball is remarkable. Wherever you fall though, I think it should definitely be between these two guys.

@@phantomcyrano I watched Nick’s breakdown and then came across Doug’s response. Nick made some interesting points, although as always simultaneously managing to be the master of conflation and disingenuous talking points. The irony is that people like Nick are exactly why Lebron is disliked and often eliminate him from the GOAT discussion. It also ties into your question about Ali and Floyd. Let’s start with I’m 55 and have been watching and playing sports since I was 10 years old. I’ve watched all the men you mentioned and idolized Ali growing up. In terms of the idea of anyone saying that they are “The Greatest”, what I consider is the why, the way, The Who and the context. Boxing is an individual sport and Ali is best known for it, but braggadocio and open trash talk of that manner is part of “The Way” of things. Like say, early Hip Hop. As a kid I always loved Ali’s braggadocio because it was a natural and authentic part of his genuine character and made a one on one fight with another man interesting. Same thing in the WWF back when they pretended it was real wrestling. In terms of Lebron and the greatest ever conversation, I wanted to like him from the moment I started hearing all this stories about him while he was in high school. However, it VERY rapidly turned into a kind of overkill by pundits of Nick’s ilk. The pundits and frankly the NBA itself began to just force feed me this narrative at a nauseating pace and volume. Eventually he turned around and even fed it to me himself! I watched his game early on and I thought he can really grow into something special after he takes his lumps, goes through the gauntlet a bit and gets some better coaching and a really good supplemental player playing next to him. I thought he was poised to make a breakthrough on the heels of his first finals loss. We both know what happened next. He started a career long musical chairs movement to make it easier on himself. Look, he has every right to choose “The Way” goes about his career-especially in this hyper free agency era. He also has to realize it’s a very unorthodox “way” and is a very recent phenomenon to the sport. The first attempt an “etiquette” change always risks the kickback. Sometimes it catches on quickly, e.g. long baggy shorts or the shot clock, and sometimes it takes a while to accept, e.g. dunking-which traditionalists frowned on for quite a while before accepting it was a good thing. Zero team allegiance, constant team hopping, super-team collusion, social justice sports and the players being more important than the fans and hometown/team identity may eventually become the thing. Right now it seems to be still rubbing the post-merger generation a bit wrong. And the ratings are starting to show it. All this to say without really being able to get detailed on RU-vid response... “The Way” or the Tao of things matters.

Oh and... Sorry. I can’t take people like Nick and Shannon and Kendrick but so seriously anyway. Just sayin, can’t talk logically with someone who’s that in love with another man.

Need to look at ALL the players he claim ate in Jordan's era, even though he either wasn't playing when they won or wasn't even competing for titles anymore. Olajuwon and Drexler got their 2 while Jordan was out the league, Tim Duncan and David Robinson was also after Jordan retired, Shaq and Kobe didn't win until Jordan had retired. Bird, Magic, and Isiah all won in the 80s while Jordan's era was in the 90s. Nick Wrong's entire list of players that ate in the Jordan Era is defunct.

@@Mr10before9 Facts! Nick Wrong dumb as hell

@@Mr10before9 nobody asked jordan to retire son.

@@wh3resmycar what does that have to do with anything? Him being asked or not asked doesn't alter that it can't be said players won during his era, if he wasn't even playing when that happened.

@@Mr10before9 why are we talking about eras? its too many excuses in your entire argument. his career started in the 80’s yes or no? so that counts lol you cant pick and choose the decade you want and quitting is essentially ceding the title as he even admitted he was exhausted.

4 or 5 hall of famers on that Miami heat super team you meant yeah that’s all labron do is cheat his way to the top with his arrogance behavior

@@kingpete3160 So what was lebron supposed to do? Stay in Cleveland and keep losing bc Cleveland wasn't building around him.

@@djthakid91 that’s no excuse other players did it who wasn’t jealous of others they made role players better

@@djthakid91 staying in Cleveland who couldn’t accomplish much because he doesn’t bring a impact to Lebron is like every other big player power house dude that loves to score 28,000 points by dunks or 3 ft away from the rim because he’s not a very good mid range shooter

@@djthakid91 how many great players made the team they had and stuck with them win 🏆 plenty it’s easy for jordan to have shaq ,pippen /steph / and wade and form a super team and win dub because all of them can score 20 points by their selves lol 😂 and win numerous of championships that’s easy

Larry Bird beat his ass, not the other way around. Also more Muslims & Buddhist walk the earth than Christians so Jesus can walk back into the pool he walked on.

Yeah he call him that after he beat Mj common knowledge as for the Jesus bit all you telling me is heavens gate is better than Jones town lol. Food for thought

Doug, you cannot explain facts to a delusional parade and expect them to acknowledge genuine goat status... leave them to their soft fairytales, those of us who witnessed the “rare air” unanimously know who the goat is!😉

Do you guys understand Bird made that comment talking about Michael Jordan as a player aka an individual or you guys are just going to pretend you do not understand English.

@@grichkatayou7558 dude are you slow? I was merely pointing out bird respected mj even if mj didn't beat him. Good day

but he didnt go to another team to win ..not like lebron

Did you know when they won in 91 and 98 Scottie Pippen wasn’t even an all star? And Rodman wasn’t even an all star when he played with the Bulls.

@@adamcarpenter1869 1990 pippen was. By 98 rodman was a two time all-star, defensive player of the year and rebound leader. Pippen several all stars all nba

@@miminoran8948 89/90 Pippen was an all star but not 90/91 season when they won the chip. Pippen missed a good chunk of the 97/98 season and wasn’t an all star. And Rodman wasn’t an all star while he was on the bulls. So Jordan was the only all star on the 91 championship bulls and the 98 championship bulls.

False nerratives mj haters

You wasn’t old enough to see Jordan

Lmao which was Nick's entire point. And people miss that because they choose to do it. I have never once seen nick say any of those things aside from the pippen thing a few times. And it's because he tries to be subjective.

Well let's contextualize for lebron: if durant doesn't go to the warriors, or kyrie and Kevin don't get injured, he has 7 rings

Lol what’s ya point? Nick makes his naratives to suit lebron

@@JahleelX-xx9wd are you using subscribe correctly? I think people who like Lebron line the hype, the tweets etc. He may very well be the most talented player of all time, but here is the thing when jordans team was good enough to compete with elite teams they didn't lose. This is a Peyton Manning vs Brady debate but no one feels like it's the other way in the other sport

@@brentt8940 the only narrative for Jordan is 6-0. Nobody ever mentions on the court proficiency. He was a great scorer in an era where great guard scoring wasn't really the norm. In his era, you also couldn't guard spaces to cut him off due to "illegal defense," so it was one-on-one every time. That's a murder. Nobody can guard Mj.

That cavalier team with Ron Harper Craig ehlo would beat that raptors team but okay we splitting hairs

Are you saying they were bad?

Sorry but everyone knew that Hawks team was fraudulent.

@@christopherbrown1391 that's narrative spin, not factual. The weakest team Jordan beat is 10 times tougher than anybody Lebron's faced.

@@achoo9165 So Portland Trailblazers are 10 times tougher than SAS, OKC with 3 future MVPs or 73 win Warriors?

Yep. Generation Metrics. 🤦🏽

No it’s not. Lol

Lebron is bald

MJ never consistently shrank and folded in big championships moments like Lebron lololol Are you ppl serious?? The 2011 finals alone disqualifies him....4 straight 4th quarters literally avoiding the ball in the crunch ....With a super team t hff at includes the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time...Like I said GTFOH....The second Jordan played with another all star (pippen) he never then didnt when the title in under 7 games with two separate three-peats in 8yrs and all 6 finals MVPs not to mention the other two yrs out of those 8 he didn't win... he was retired....Jeezus you fucks are delusional

Both arguments are weak.. Biggest mistake analysts make when debating the goat is bringing up team accomplishments.. Too many variables at play that make it impossible.. Difference in eras and way the game was called back then compared to now is a main one.. When we're talking about who the better player is.. It should be OK... What can this guy do better than that guy when it comes to basketball... That being said.. I can think of a significant amount of things Jordan can do better than lebron, not much that lebron can do better than Jordan.. The eye test is how you decide who the best is.. Team accomplishments is not how you decide this.. It's dumb.

Ya if you're a biased bronsexual with a tunnel vision. 😂😂😂 nick is the biggest bronsexuals and his arguments make no fuken sense.

that means MJ lost before finals, it is better than lost in finals?

No he just got swept in the first round

@elliotx preach it baby

@elliotx Bron didn’t sniff the playoffs until his third year. Matter of fact, Melo deserved ROY

Kobe had Shaq. Shaq was FMVP on their 3 titles and league MVP once. Says a lot about who was the man. Kobe doesnt even belong in GOAT discussion. That needs to stop

preach! this is so true

Why are you here then?

The only defense you ever played is on RU-vid.

AnObviousUsername I didn’t bother to read your comment because I know I’m right and you’re wrong... have a nice day

Daddy P.H.A.T. Saxxx NBA is a sellout to the communist Chinese... wake up

I kno right and it’s funny how mj was knocked out playoffs first round 7 years straight

He’s also acting like the Cavs wasn’t the bulls when they were a joke lol

They were old bro.. Lasted 1or2 more years he was 26..lol. Stop it

Big 4** rondo was like the most important player he’s the PG for crying out loud.

Youngest person of that big 3 was I believe 31. It was people at the end of thier primes knowing how to play together that’s why they only had 1 title, bodies couldn’t keep up. The first modern day superteam was Miami. 1 top guy in the East teamed with 2 of the top 6 in the East as well

Right he started talking about 80s teams and I'm like you mean when Jordan couldn't win and was concidered a loser??. Talks about the great 57 wins cavs team jordan beat but nothing about the 60 win hawks in 2015. Those all time cetics team jordan got swept by. How about the spurs dynasty with 4 HOF players the heat battled against. Or the thunder with 3 future mvps 💀💀💀

@@93niggaplease right Doug was all about context Till he had to make his points Lmaoo

@@93niggaplease the 57 cavs were better than the bulls reg season though and were favorites the 2015 hawks didn't have any great players. Think about it cavs swept the hawks but lost to the 60 win warrior team with nearly the same roster lineup teams in the east are generally not as good as the western teams

Dude he was talking about the 76ers with Barkley which was post pistons back to back

@@93niggaplease that Hawks squad was only great for ONE season. I would know because I'm from Atlanta (despite being a Lakers fan for 30 years). The Hawks were trash in 2014 and mediocre in 2016 which not only proves how weak the East had been, but also that the 2015 season for the Hawks was an anomaly. The Cavs were playoff contenders during that decade and had some very good years.

MJ never consistently shrank and folded in big championships moments like Lebron lololol Are you ppl serious?? The 2011 finals alone disqualifies him....4 straight 4th quarters literally avoiding the ball in the crunch ....With a super team t hff at includes the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time...Like I said GTFOH....The second Jordan played with another all star (pippen) he never then didnt when the title in under 7 games with two separate three-peats in 8yrs and all 6 finals MVPs not to mention the other two yrs out of those 8 he didn't win... he was retired....Jeezus you fucks are delusional

@@drewnichols1685 when Jordan didnt play in 1994, the Bulls won 50+ games and made the playoffs lol. He had a squad. IF Lebron wins 6 rings, his 6 losses will be a dumbass argument because those are 6 more Finals than Jordan ever made it to 😂

@@23jakesmith23 i mean yeah but he hasnt done that, if he does you have an argument tho

Jordans team that won 54 games with out him also won three chips in a row with him and when he came back they won another 3 so basically they were unbeatable with him

@@drewnichols1685 Jordan is the luckiest scorer ever. Jordan, pippen, and jackson are the greatest player ever!!! Jordan by himself is a superb scorer. His game's not big enough for lebron. When his team's great, he's worth 2 playoff rounds. Lebrons worth 4 playoff rounds. Btw, jordan played 15 years, not 6😂😂😂😂😂. If all you can highlight is 6 years out of 15, thatsa problem

🤣

What's to comtexualize about getting sweaped in finals series with 2 all stars on your team?

Jared Jones You really don’t know basketball dude the Cavs did not get swept(you can’t spell either) when kyrie was there

@@jaredjones4804 Want to bring up the Warriors or not really?

@@jaredjones4804 Hey, here is a challenge for you...Other than Lebron, Name the players that were on the 2016 All-Stars Team that were also on the 2016 Cleveland Championship team????? I'll wait!

that’s because he’s reading his notes most podcasters do this

MJ won though. You can’t have it both ways. Nick actually has a few good points.

So anything outside of the 6 years doesn't count? Funny...is MJs career a buffet? You pick what you like...and leave the rest out? Yet on the other side ppl still count LBJ losing the finals in 07 at age 22 with 4 bums vs 3 or so HoF team, or vs 4-5 HoF players GSW, with injured costars.

He spoke facts

@@dadillonful 6 Finals losses. LeChoked in 2011. No rings until he sold out to Miami. All facts.

Hahahahaha

You sound like you in the 1st grade

@Me Too you’re in denial about Lebron’s lack of mental toughness and unwillingness to play his size. It’s not all about physical specs.

Haha well said. Lebrons been chasing the goat all his life

And he could invest in prison like Jordan. To incarcerate more black men

Same here

You're a smart guy unlike annoying Nick Wrong

That's a lie im 40 everybody knows LeBron better then mj.

@@realasitget3552 I’m 25 n that’s not true

That a lie i watch mj play and lebron play mj always had problems tryin to check bigger and taller players then him. Magic dominated him in games they played even game 1 of the Finals. Can tell America what the Bulls coach did took mj off magic and put Pippen on him why cause mj was shorter and not long enough to guard magic. Lebron is the same height as magic so what you think he'll do. Yall need understand basketball. Mj was great in his time cause he was more athletic then other players now these players are more athletic and skilled then the past. People back then fouling hard is not a skill yall think Charles Oakley on K.D level hell nall. Go look back then it was alot of white guys who were not athletic like that. And back then it was lot more white starters now that has reverse they mainly come off the bench in todays NBA. Why cause black players are more skill then ever now. Just look at Olympic teams now that represent USA mostly are black players. Where as in 70s and 80s it was alot white college players playing in Olympics.

Nick doesn't have anyone to keep him in check, since CCd departure. CCs huge ego was the only thing that kept Nick in his little corner.

Dude in late 30s 40 no kid

Nick's a prick. That's just his personality.

He still talk a fact with data 😂😂😂

@@idlanier752 Data or bullet points? Lol!

Nick is SO DAMN TRASH and people actually believe this guy. Nick: "I'm not even including the years Michael retired." Um yes you did and you're also being disingenuous. Hakeem won his first title AFTER MJ retired. He won the second (with Clyde) AFTER MJ returned the final 17 games of the seasons. Jordan was RETIRED in 1999 and was 38-40 when Duncan/Robinson won again in 2003 and when Shaq/Kobe won in 2002. I hope Broussard and the crew corrected that guy for speaking such garbage. It's one thing to make an argument for LBJ as the GOAT, however, it's another to LIE or bend the facts to do so. This is why I will NEVER respect Nick Wright's opinion when it comes to LeBron. He has absolutely no objectivity and LIES a lot to make his points!

MJ is the GOAT

tell us what is the context for lebron who had to first build a super team to win yall kill KD but dont want to do the same for lebron Yall funny Ps: lebron is amazing but he just can never be G.O.A.T. MJ is the only one

@@atlien1988 did he play those years or not? The only Jordan argument is his "dominance", and if you remove the wizards years, and even the season he broke his foot, there's 12 years left. Won half of that. Not very dominant if your peak is a 6 season run, and you need a vacation in the middle to sustain... Lebron been killing. At the same age, Mike only has 3 rings to Brons 4. Let Lebron play till hes 41, then we can know for real,But as of right now, Bron is ahead imo. If it end today, mike would be ahead. AD resigns, its Goat James lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@bolovr4014 um, mike didnt win any rings, until he had a super team....

Or he just the GOAT

@@mrsmiw sympathy

Overrated MJ!!!

@@multyz1 😅🤣 sure

@@mrsmiw MJ never consistently shrank and folded in big championships moments like Lebron lololol Are you ppl serious?? The 2011 finals alone disqualifies him....4 straight 4th quarters literally avoiding the ball in the crunch ....With a super team t hff at includes the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time...Like I said GTFOH....The second Jordan played with another all star (pippen) he never then didnt when the title in under 7 games with two separate three-peats in 8yrs and all 6 finals MVPs not to mention the other two yrs out of those 8 he didn't win... he was retired....Jeezus you fucks are delusional

And nick wasn't?

Lmao and Nick Wright isn’t a huge Lebron fanboy? You’re a joke

@@josephmitchell6932 ? I was referring to Nick Wright. I thought it was obvious since the video title is about Nick Wright.

@@bretviola6871 my bad, thought you were talking about Gottlieb lol I mean he’s not much better, none of them on tv are very objective

@@josephmitchell6932 All good! Yeah, you’re right about that. Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe think LeBron could take a dump on school children and it’d be the most glorious turd that was ever shat! Lol!

Brad got 1 ring and was gone

Brad didn't get a ring because he wasn't on the roster when they won the first championship.

@@djbhe you’re right he was traded before that I last remember seeing him when Jordan hit that shot against Cleveland

@@bobbymarsh1 Exactly and Pippen wasn't ready yet as a championship ball player. I grew up on the southside of Chicago and I know my stuff.

@@djbhe south side is the best side! I too am from the south side dirty 130 and the wild 100’s

And Cocaine addicts as Teammates. Lol

@@primetimecollective they were lol..and they were aweful players. Oakley was garbage in Chicago...also took pip 4 years to be decent.

Right but people who don’t know basketball don’t know that...they even act like Phil Jackson was a hall of fame coach b4 he even coached the bulls 😂

LeBron carried worse to 2 Finals. Stop it. The media awarded MJ as “GOAT” before he even won a chip! Go rewatch those old 1989-1990 NBA dvds on Jordan. They were sucking him off back then also.

@@kingshabazz1310 Worse then a team full of cocaine addicts? Yeah okay

MJ would have cracked if he had to deal with what Bron had to deal with in a single year.

Yall sound dumb, jordan was getting beat up, the league hanged so why would lebron take a year off in this soft ass league. Still only 4 chips in 17 years gtfo

The man’s father died and Bron fans are using that against him. Absurd.

PETEY HE CRACKED!!

@@Bannedconfidential MJ didn't walk off because of that, so no extra excuses. I lost my dad two months ago unexpectedly so I know how it feels.

Thats because he speak FACTS . not a fan of lebron nor MJ . Lebron is the greatest player in this era but the GOAT . No. Only 3 players who can u debate whos the goat thats Mj/kareem and bill Russell .

@@dtechzsama you started good then, shyt yourself bro.what happened? 😂😂

Indeed

Nah he saying east was weak with lebron and strong with Jordan

Only a low iq bum would say that.

You might wanna get your ears checked my man

We didn’t watch the same video pal

Skip bayless 2.0

4-6*.. you bron haters are legit idiots

That’s one stat compared to dozens. It’s important but it’s not everything

that don't count? was jordan a water boy with the Wizards?

That was part of his career tho. I’m mean we still give Kareem credit for 6th ring and he was 42. So when u play all ur stats should be considered.

Even with the Wizards years, he has the highest player productivity rating aka player efficiency rating of all time. They can factor it in, and Jordan is still the GOAT.

@@lionstigersbearsohmyanimal6741 lol kareem also has magic and other great players kareem trust me if kareem would had been kareem during that chip he would be looked at a lot differently

He played those years didnt he

Pippen didn’t average 20 points till year 4

Seems like he has some kind of secret grudge against MJ and Kobe.

Jordan still the GOAT but 99% of these people get there talking points from Skip Bayless. They lack any objectivity when discussing Jordan and critque Lebron down to his socks. Let me repeat JORDAN IS STILL THE GOAT but lets be honest about his career with the same energy we have for Lebron.

@@jasonu3741 To me it's a opinion never ending story.Just like my uncle says the big o is the best player he ever seen.He seen earl the pear n college but loves big o.I could care less.Its just funny when lj beat gs.The day of the parade he finally released ok for doc.Then friday thru sunday he had a deal with IMAX to rerelease a 20 year doc.During finals. 2 times his last 2 finals wins.?

@@jasonu3741 and why he is the goat? 6 rings? So when i say McGee is better than Hakeem then u should accepted it right? Nick was saying this after Broussard said mike game has no weaknesses and thats bullshit. He cant shoot 3s. He doesnt have that drive to the rim and get foul calls like Lebron freight train charge. He cant defend Magic or Hakeem while Lebron could guard all 5 positions. Why when Nick put up some objective facts, then he is a clown but when guy like Broussard put up subjective cases about mike then he aint a clown? Mike DPOY should be Hakeem. Hakeem got robbed. And Lebron 2013 should be a DPOY but he got robbed by Marc Gasol who only a 2nd defensive team. Lebron should have got like 7 MVPs at least right now and Kobe should have gotten like 4 or 5. Its okay if mike is ur goat but when u keep using subjective things to ur liking then u are just nitpicking

No but context matters half of those players that won on Jordan’s watch... was when he was 39 and 40 years old unretired for the second time just trying to get ownership in the league. Duncan, Shaq Kobe never won while he was actually Jordan. That Jordan was old let’s see how many players get titles when Lebron is 39/40 years old. I suspect plenty will. Jordan bested a 60 win Shaq and Penny team. Hakeem one the title when Jordan played less than 30 regular season games coming from baseball and his body wasn’t ready. But give him that L the same way Lebron doesn’t get to wave off 07 Spurs or any of KD GST title teams that swept him or gentlemen swept him. Pippen averaged 7 pts in the playoffs wow he really needed that to get out of the first round. Jordan needed Pippen yet only Jordan won a title between him and Lebron being the only all star on the team (98). Jordan won every other title with ONLY one other all star when Lebron always needed two. (Except 2020). Those one HOF teams was during a watered down league with stars spread out. He still beat more 50 win teams and 60 win teams then Lebron and has played LESS years. The east was simply better with higher caliber teams that had ONE HOF. He also beat Detroit when IT was 29, Dumars was 27 and Rodman was DPOY. That team was essentially GST with several players being former all stars and he took them 7 games their last title win. (Didn’t have Pippen for game 7=migraine game). Just like 4-6 deserves context so does Nick’s stupid stats. Wade, literally carried a team to the title before Lebron and Pippen couldn’t get out of the West or East when he didn’t have Jordan even with loaded teams (HOU/POR).

@@artiekusumawidya2545 Jordan is the GOAT because 1x Defensive Player of the Year 5x Regular season MvPs 6x Finals MvPs 6x Championships 10x Scoring titles 14x All Star 3x All Star MvP 11x All NBA 9x All NBA First Team Defense 2x Dunk Champ Highest PER in NBA history The list goes on for Jordan and its why hes currently the GOAT while Lebron is a close second There is Plenty of reason for Jordan to be the GOAT, whats stupid is that people use Lebron having 6 Finals loses as a black mark as if somehow its better to miss the playoffs or lose in the first round than it is to lose in the finals... This is what Stupid Jordan fans do. Like when Nick said Giannis now has a better playoff career than Jimmy Butler since Jimmy is 0-1 in the finals and Giannis has 0 finals loses (pointing out the stupidity of the Lebron 3-6 mafia critics) and what you said about Lebron Guarding, Jordan was a better on ball defender for his position, lebron is a better Zone defender because of his blocks don't start arguing like the Jordan fans you disagree with try objectivity. I myself am a Lebron fan and think he still has time to solidify himself as the GOAT however he is not there yet... its called being obejctive you should try it.

Yes L3-6-1on lost to the Mavs because he wasn't good enough

jordan is not a ring chaser.

@@genaldgalicia5834 Jordan didn’t have to, he was drafted by a good organization with a HOF GM who hired a HOF coach. The Cavs, on the other hand, didn’t trade for prime Amare to keep JJ Hickson. I hope you’re smarter than making this lazy argument.

@@zobe70why make a dumb comment? There’a a million good arguments to make for Jordan being the 🐐 but you went the Skip Bayless route. I don’t know you but I feel like your better than this.

@@jihadjoe90 Phil wasn't a HOF coach when he was hire. Just a fyi.

Or the fact that yes they were fourth but only 2 games away from 10th lol