Kareem Abdul-Jabbar beats out Michael Jordan in Nick's Top players in 50 years | FIRST THINGS FIRST 

🤣😂🤣Click Bait Nick is DELUSIONAL

*Nick Really just made us all want to put Kareem now ahead of LeBron!* 😂😂😂 Congrats Nick you played yourself! Jordan is 🐐 followed by 2.Kareem and 3.J 😂 Nicky really didn’t think this one through

@@jaygreen2726 🤦🏽🤡

Nick has to b like the most delusional LeBron fan ever.. Like Kareem played more games than any player that has ever played.. Kareem won 5 rings with Magic leading the way.. Got sweep twice with Worthy n Magic..his last few years..he couldn't run down the floor..it's was like watching your grandpa trying play gym ball with 25 year old in their prime..n lebron so overrated..like ray Allen said..he not the most complete player Jordan, Kobe, Bird or Hakeem were in they prime.. Individual he light a torch wit Mj or Wilt.. He never seen a 3 peat in his life..he depends to much on other players to finish the job for him..When Magic, Kareem, Mj, Kobe, Bird, n others where known to do alone when it was time.. Lebron hasn't pass Kobe n Duncan in my eyes..he not even a top 5 Goat yet.. 1.Mj 2.Kobe 3.Magic 4.Kareem 5. Bill Russell 6.Duncan 7.Lebron 8.Bird 9.Shaq 10.Steph

@@jaygreen2726 that’s all your opinion was worth since there was no real facts to be argued. The emojis I sent are equal to your paragraph about basically nothing. You could’ve wrote down, "I don’t like Jordan" and I would’ve learned just as much

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Lol that's what I was thinking this whole time

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His video made me realise Jordan is the GOAT. MJ's scoring numbers are astronomical and i knew everything else was already insane

People tend to discard those whom they did not watch playing. Most of us put Maradona ahead of Pele and youngsters put Messi ahead of both.

@@TheRadFactor im Brazilian and the best soccer player I actually watch play was Maradona and Ronaldo The phenomenon but if I had to rank players all-time for their accomplishments, accolades and individual success to me Pelé is the G.O.A.T with almost 1600 goal, 3 WC and only player in history to win back to back WORLD CUPS, case closed.

Yes he is under rated but extremely overrated in his list he is thought of as rightfully the third best player of all time. You can make an argument to go lower because for arguably four of his championships he was not the best player on the team

@@TheRadFactor Messi over Maradona is right tho, Pelé over both

literally had multiple seasons with a losing record.

no, nick made this list so that when LBJ passes KAJ, he could go on a rant that LBJ is the GOAT - Whats hilarious is that nick puts KAJ at one, even though ALL THIS TIME he has been saying LBJ is number 1.....shows his idiotic stance.

Im convinced he made it to overhype the scoring record, preparing the field for Lebron.

Nick said that Jordan wasn’t always best player on his team and 3rd best defender, on the same level as Ron Harper…

Only gripe is he had a retirement in the middle of that 3 peat. Other than that, its still too impressive to not have him as the GOAT.

Well, his point is valid. Are we talking about his skills, his career (his total body of work), or are we talking about 6 specific seasons in someone's career? I actually love MJ, and I'm with you on skills and efficiency, but it is true that he abandoned arguably the best team ever for personal reasons. We give Kyrie heat for wat he's done his past few years, well MJ did the same thing guys. It matters, and I'm not saying yall are wrong. But it matters. If I get to draft a guy for 1 year, I pick MJ. BUT IF ITS HIS WHOLE CAREER, 20 YEARS LONG, ITS LEBRON AND KAREEM. Basketball matters to those two, and they did everything they could to win EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's not only inspiring, it's wat makes a man a GOAT at his craft. Agree or not, it's the truth and you can do wat you will.

The GOAT question should not even be any form of debate Lebron had everything to over achieve Jordan but he stumbled and fell because he just lacked the extra spoon of special sauce.For Lebron Pride simply came before the fall. The moment Lebron felt in his heart he was the Goat is where he fell. Now hes going to end his career with less chips and a points record and the bitter taste that its quite possible in the next 5 years Little Steph Curry will likley eclipse his legacy at this rate.

He didn't disrespect it at all tho, did u watch his 45 minute vid?

Give me a freakin' break!! Jordan retired the first time because HIS FATHER WAS MURDERED!! His father wanted Micheal to play baseball. MJ retired so that he could please his father. I hate people who have opinions based on hearsay and not have the where-with-all to do some research!! Anybody who does ANY research would know that MJ blows away LBJ in almost every category except longevity. Let's not forget that LBJ has the most turnovers in a career... by a wide margin. And, he's also fourth all-time in average turnovers per game. Hang your hat on THAT LBJ!!

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I also now have Lebron 3rd after Kareem lol

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Nick gets destroyed every time with this debate..bruh just leave it alone Smfh

He put the 🐐 at first…get your eyes checked

@@unionash1 You mean the guy who called himself the goat or the guy who's universally regarded as the GOAT???

@@udinelumbu2351 he NEVER called himself the GOAT go clean your ears

Yeah I don’t think if he put Jordan at 2 most people would care

Picking Kareem isn’t really that crazy he is arguably the best player ever amongst others

Well at 38 Kareem was doing that in the finals. So your point is still off

Those wizards teams were COMPLETE!!! THIS LAKER team were injured most of the yr stop🧢

@@errrjuny I agree the Wizards team was complete but the level of of players are not the same. Do you take Kwame over Dwight? Ty Lue over Westbrook? Injuries are part of the game and Lebron still has Westbrook for the full season. Lebron himself was doing load management and didn't care about winning except gunning for the scoring title.

@@rashaanc.richardson9057 yeah how come you weren’t saying the season. Oh that’s right because he had a bunch of All-Stars on his team and he was like the third option or at least the second one. I love how Nick is trying to act like Kareem was the number one option and the reason that they made the finals 😂😂😂😂😂

@@DuckFanDane Kareem averaged 23.4, 6.1, 3.5, 1.6 bpg, 0.8 stls. Which is more pts, rbs, blks than Jordan averaged his age 38 season. Which he was fresh off of retirement. As you were saying...

2013 lebron violates

And the 2017 Warriors as well as Garnett Celtics, Shaq & Kobe Lakers, 2004 Pistons and the Spurs dynasty

2016 Cavs would get humiliated by the 90s bulls

@@soleil3gs boy stop

There is simulation if that in 2k and shaq kobe won the bracket

He really isn’t though. He’s arguably third, but he has maybe two rings without Magic.

@@bretditty858 He is, 6 chips in 10 tries, 6x MVP, all time points leader, 10X all-NBA first team, 11x All-NBA first or 2nd defensive team. He is by far qualified to be in that discussion of the greatest ever regarding being a valuable 2 way player.

@@bretditty858 I dont like the argument of having or not having someone on their team, if Jordan does not got Pippen, Lebrón Kyrie / Wade or bosh, and se can continue, it Is not an individual sport

@@bretditty858 omg , the disrespect Kareem gets. Micheal Jordan was not the rebounder nor as efficient as Kareem Abdul Jabaar . Kareem had one year where he was 60 percent from the field. Do you realize how incredible that is with just 2s . This means when curry is 4/10 from 3 Kareem going 6/10 is equivalent. Kareem can actually keep up with great 3 point shooters of this era because he was that efficient from 2. Name 5 players who were 60 percent from the field with over 15 FGA? I'll wait

Kareem wasn’t even the best player on 4 or his 6 rings that alone takes him out the goat conversation not to mention he got swept with Magic another top 5 player of all time

But he has to push his narrative

Actually by his argument he is number 1 hater but you can said he is number 2 since in this video it seems he was putting Kareem as the greatest still MJ stands at number 3 😂😂😂

Clearly someone doesn’t understand the argument 😂(it’s not the op)

Kareem is a top 3 player all time but he is not better than MJ who is the GOAT or Lebron. Broussard explained the reason, the NBA was not expanded and half of the good players played in the ABA back in the day.

Actually Lebron number 1 he is the 🐐 it seems that everyone is mad just because he picks MJ at number 3 now people think that is disrespectful just MJ fanboys

@@user-bw6pt9dy6f NBA>ABA why Kareem is top 3 if he play in a weak era like you said you are just contradicting yourself also Nick Wright was telling facts about Kareem while Chris Broussard really never give an argument just screaming to him saying he was wrong but never explained why

@@paulrodriguez2337 ΑΒΑ = ΝΒΑ half the good players played in ABA and talent was split, get ur facts right

You're missing his point. I watched his 45 minute video explaining it. The point was he still has a playoff stat sheet when his team made the playoffs with 30 wins. The bulls made the playoffs 3 straight years without being 500° either. Took him till 90 to get out of the east and win anything. And the 12 year argument for Jordan also helps Nick's case, longevity matters.

@@OfficerJakeyPoo What ultimately matters is Winning and 6-0 beats every players record out there except for Bill Russell. Michael Jordan never had the luxury of playing with another top 20 player of all time and yet, he won two 3 peats. Longevity isn’t as important as Peak Value and Jordan had the highest peak of all time from 88-98, excluding the retirement break in-between. He was dominant individually and won at a historic pace.

@@OfficerJakeyPoo longevity only matters for total stats unless both guys win more than MJ did which they didn’t so in that case it actually hurts them not helps them…..if I told you right now I’ll give you this player and you’ll win 6 rings in 15 years or you can have this other player for 20 years but only win 4 anybody in their right mind is going with option A lmao

@@OfficerJakeyPoo and btw it took Lebron teaming up with wade and Bosh and still losing in the finals before he won his first ring so what’s your point about MJ not winning until 1990 smh

@@tomfassel6563 doesn't hurt them when I understand each of their situations. I agree with MJ being above Kareem personally, however with lebron longevity cannot go against him. Being able to play at this high of a level so long is simply something MJ could not physically do. Dude literally retired three times and was talking about retirement In 93. The physical toll of 10 finals while from 2003-2010 being the entire engine of a team whose organization couldn't get you any decent help while u actually made deep runs is something u must consider when talking about longevity. Longevity does not "only matter" for stats, that's simply an ignorant statement. Being able to be great in 3 different eras is a feat literally nobody has ever done. While consistently winning and performing at peak level, not just about stats. Context matters.

Kareem won a title without Magic

@@dimitrythomas4158 and how many did he win with Magic?

Jordan had a HOF coach, arguably the best coach ever, Rodman, Toni, Harper, Pippen, people act like Jordan won with scrubs or something.

@Eternal Boss Rules i agree. never said they were worse. But we never hear " magic had kareem or vise versa " . They should keep the same energy with Jordan.

@@osufan77 great, now mention kareem's teammates and coach.

Especially without even giving jokic a spot at all 😂

For real. If he wanted to add Luka because he will eventually make it, he should have put him 50 and the dickriding wouldn't have been so outrageous.

Yes that's ridiculous. Put as you like, Luka has not done enough to be there yet.

@@changethechannel7225 he did give jokic a spot lol

f'in Harden at 25. Lmao

Yeah and Nick's response would be: Yeah but how many total points did he score that year? LOL

The thing is tho he retired 2 times in between that. But regardless he still a goat and is head and shoulders above 98% of all NBA players

He rested during took that he time off 🥴

How many shots pet game?

Awesome research my man a lot of LeBron fans are going to hate seeing someone dominate the game at that age before LeBron did it but these are the facts. Throw in another caveat of modern medicine and therapy vs that time In sports too

People like Nick love to leave out the fact that LeBron played longer because he didn’t go to college, unlike MJ. That’s 4 extra years to accumulate stats.

@@_YourFlyIsOpen This is a great point. Lebron came into the league right from high school. Jordan missed three seasons BEFORE his NBA career even started, plus retired TWICE in his prime. The longevity arguments just aren't even remotely convincing to me, even if you grant every longevity point, it's not remotely enough to put Lebron above Jordan.

If you're an owner or GM you take 20 Yeats of greatness over 12 every day. I don't disagree than Michael's the GOAT but I don't blame people choosing longevity over peak.

Kareem also spent 3 years playing in college. Kareem won 3 National Champions and MJ played 3 years in college and won 1 National Championship.

The debate is between MJ and Kareem as the GOAT. Period. Sorry, Lebron.

Exactly !! He’s been on record saying lebron is better because he’s bigger, stronger, faster…. Yet has jerry west over Kobe when Kobe is bigger faster stronger… can’t believe people who take him serious

@@MR.__G I was with you until you said he has Jerry West over Kobe. He has Kobe at 6, Duncan at 5, Magic 4. Did he do an all time list that I don’t know about?

This dude changed his pick to the celtics during the 2022 finals AFTER the celtics lost a game.

He’s a plant. Just start dropping plant emojis on his videos. It’s so obvious. 🌱

@@carlosmurray1528 pretty sure he said he switched to the Celtics in hopes that they'd lose.....

Kareem has same amount of rings and number one in points in nba history, also he has 10 final appearances to Jordan’s 6, Jordan isn’t the GOAT, why couldn’t jordan be number one in points? Just wasn’t good enough I guess lol

If he puts LeBron ahead of Kareem he will look like a hypocrite

No it didn't lol if anything it just mover Kareem back lol to like 5 🤣🤣

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he has Kareem 1 and Lebron 2. It's entirely possible following his logic with his list so far

@@matthewm6123 Jordan’s peak was better than anything lebron and Kareem did let’s not act like Kareem wasn’t winning most of that with another Top 5 player of all time and the best PG of all time. Kareem has same amount of rings 4 less FMVP 1 more MVP 1 less DPOY in a league that was built for big men. MJ was by far the best player on his team each title he won Kareem can’t say that. Mj really had 11 FULL prime seasons and look what he did.

In the 1975 season (38-44), the Bucks were 9th in offense, 8th in defense, 8th in net rating, 13th in points scored per game & 5th in points allowed per game. Kareem only played the last 65 of 82 games where they were 35-30 with him & 3-14 without him in the first 17 games of the season. They finished 4th in the Midwest Division & tied for 6th in the conference. It should be noted that the DET Pistons in their division @40-42 & NYK in the Atlantic Division in the East @40-42 both made the playoffs as the final seed (5th). Kareem averaged 30/14/4/1/3 in 42 MPG on 51% FG (13/24 per game) & 76% FT (5/7 per game) coming in 5th in MVP Kareem was 3rd in PPG, 5th in RPG, 1st in BPG, T-18th in APG, T-16th in SPG, 3rd in BLK%, 9th in TREB%, 4th in DREB%, 4th in EFG%, T-11th in TS%, 2nd in MPG, 2nd in WS (6th in OWS-8th in DWS), & T-5th in Defensive Rating that season. 🤷🏾‍♂️ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the 1976 season (40-42), the Lakers were 7th of 18 in offense & 13th of 18 in defense; scoring the 3rd most PPG while giving up the 17th most. However, this team had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division-38-44 Bucks & 36-46 Pistons who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division. The Suns in comparison were 42-40; 3rd in the Pacific Division and the 3rd seed in the West. Kareem also averaged 28/17/5/2/4 in 41 MPG on 53% FG (11/21 per game) & 70% FT (6/8 per game) with no All Star help that season 🤫 Taking home the MVP that year Kareem was ranked 2nd in PPG, *1st in RPG* , 11th in APG, T-11th in SPG, *1st in BPG* , 2nd in BLK%, 3rd in TREB%, 2nd in DREB%, 5th in EFG%, 8th in TS%, *1st in MPG* , *1st in OWS & DWS* , & T-2nd in Defensive Rating. ******************************** Firstly there was 18 teams-not 16 which is the reason why the 1st seeds in each conference had a bye to the ECSF & WCSF respectively to face the winner of the 4/5 matchup. 5 teams each make the playoffs in each conference-so 10/18 teams make the playoffs. 10 of 18 teams in 1976 were under .500, ranging from 40-42 LA Lakers & *Eastern Conference* HOU Rockets to Western Conference Chicago Bulls @ 24-58. At the time both conferences were separated by 2 divisions. In the West, all the 4 Midwest Division teams had a worst record than the Lakers. The Lakers *(4th in Pacific, 4th in West)* had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division- 38-44 Bucks *(1st in Midwest, 5th in West)* & 36-46 Pistons *(2nd in Midwest, 7th in West)* who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division--but were the 4th & 5th seeds in the West First Round Playoff facing against each other 🤔 The Suns in comparison were 42-40 *(3rd in Pacific, 3rd in West)* Prior to 2005, NBA division champions were seeded higher than the other teams in their conference, regardless of their record. Prior to 2004, when the NBA was aligned into two conferences with two divisions each, the division champions were guaranteed the top two seeds. This meant that top two teams in a conference (by record) would be seeded either first and second (if they were in opposite divisions) or first and third (if they were in the same division). Because of the NBA playoffs' preset matchups in the second round, this meant that the top two teams in a conference could never meet until the conference finals, assuming they both made it to that round. ******************************** First off the NBA went to 4 divisions across 2 conferences for the first time in 1971 with an increased number of teams. In 1970, there was 14 teams separated by 2 conferences *(East & West)* In 1971, there was 17 teams separated by 4 divisions into 2 conferences *(East: Atlantic & Central, West: Midwest & Pacific)* Eight teams still qualified, four from each conference. Hence, the division semifinals and division finals came to be known as conference semifinals and conference finals, respectively. The top two teams in each division qualified as the Eastern Conference, comprising the Atlantic and Central divisions, while the Western Conference consisted of the Midwest and Pacific divisions. The first place team from one division would face the second place team of the other division within their conference. In the conference playoffs, a division winner always held home-court advantage over a second place team regardless of record. *71’ BOS (44-38): 3rd in Atlantic; 3rd in EAST* *71’ PHO (48-34): 3rd in Midwest; T-3rd in WEST* *71’ DET (45-37): 4th in Midwest; 4th in WEST* All due to an outdated rule missing out on playoff basketball. Instead in the East, You had a *42-40 Bullets team (1971 Eastern Conference Champs; 1st in Central & 4th in East)* make it *(Central Div. Weakest That Season)* alongside a *36-46 Hawks team (2nd in Central, 5th in East)* ____________________ In the West, you had a *48-34 Lakers team (1st in Pacific, T-3rd in West)* and a *41-41 Warriors team (2nd in Pacific, 6th in West)* *The only two years where this “problem occurs” since the expanding into 4 divisions separated by 2 conferences is 1971 & 1976-the year before the merger that added a 6th seed 🤔*

That only adds to his goat argument

@@BlackGeniusGod nah, cause Players would have voted Lebron, Jordan, and Kobe way more times they got MVP.

@@dimitrythomas4158 We don’t know that for sure nor do we know how those players would last in that hypothetical timeline of the NBA. No factor of injury or teammate presented by you.

@@BlackGeniusGod no it doesn't, you're slow. Players are notorious for being the most biased votets.

Nick Wright wins this debate since Chris Broussard never tell an argument

I don't think Jordan or Durant would be on his favorites list though lol!

Magic did almost as much as Micheal in a shorter time, magic is the definition of ultimate winning in a short time not MJ, the reason he's higher than Kobe is because he was a better player than Kobe, but he's not a better player than Michael Keeram or Lebron, and because he didn't play as long as those guys he's not better than, he can't be ranked higher, if you want to understand people's thoughts and opinions, you have to actually listen

@@samuelgaona7196 Magic almost did as much as Michael did in a shorter time!?!?!?? Magic 13 years 5 titles 8 loses Jordan 15 years 6 titles 9 loses There you are correct HOWEVER Leading the league in any category Magic 6 Jordan 13 MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 5 Final MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 6 DPOY Magic 0 Jordan 1 All defensive team Magic 0 Jordan 9 So no Magic did not almost do everything Jordan did 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@Tonio5100 fair enough and that's why Micheal is ahead of magic, but my point was mainly about the winning, won just as much as MJ in less time, good points tho

@Tong Zou NOBODY says Stockton better than Isiah tho

@Tong Zou I listen to all type of basketball podcasts ALL THE TIME and I've never heard anyone say Stockton is better than Isiah.... Link me to some videos of people saying this and the argument they using 🤔

how is mj in ur top 3, hes so overrated

Wayyyyy too serious

@@windowpainzplays8601 because you don't know how to rate

It’s really not hard to go over it’s always a rite or wrong no matter how emotional we get involved

That's exactly what it is

The gave up their bench for what ever reason, Russ wasn’t horrible but overall bad, AD was injured and Franky V who won a championship with them got fired. Lebron at least Offensively played well. Probably motivated by that all time scoring record. He still looks like a top 5 player even tho they didn’t make the playoffs.

Injuries

If you think MJ at that age is anywhere close to current lebron log off.

@@jon401 MJ is better at any age than LeBron. The only reason LeBron is in the conversation is because he got 3 extra years of youth and prime by not going to college, while MJ wasn't allowed to do that. Also, I think it's hilarious that James a guy who's taller, bigger, and is a small forward playing out of position as a guard is still trying to catch up to MJ, a true shooting guard who didn't rely on 3s or bully ball. In fact, he's the one who got smacked around. It's too bad these young folks didn't get a good look at Jordan. They'd realize what a weak replacement James is.

How many mj averaged that year if you don’t mind

But getting out of the playoffs in the FIRST ROUND 3 years in a row is ??

@@Tojohiruma Really dude? Lebron had a super team and were the odds fav. to win. Lebron felt out give up on the series. Losing happens but it's the way he lost is why people get on him. Jordan might have not gotten out the 1st round but he never quit like Lebron. Go look at Jordan's number, he never scored no 8 pts in a finals like Lebron.

@@Tojohiruma those were MJs first few seasons playing with cokeheads lol

@@Tojohiruma and missing the playoffs entirely with other HOFer is cool 👌🏻

That's Finals was an Epic collapse by Bron and that's with his superteam he created to try and win an easy ring. Disgraceful and disqualified from any Goat conversation.

Westbrook is past his prime with bron

@@dannyfonseca07 So was Rodman but since Jordan STILL WON people NEVER bring it up he was 37 and lost his starting job at one point during the season by 98 🤷🏾‍♂️

Facts!!!

How does Jordan achieve more than Lebron and Kareem with less help? Jordan’s competition in the finals wasn’t all that great tbh. But I still have him #1.

@@dannyfonseca07 he was still averaging a tripple double the season before and AD is in his prime. LeExcuses going wild

Liar🤭

@@CreativeBigL you or Kareem?

Man if that ain't the truth!

Bingo

It's a combination of accomplishments, stats, records, context and eye test.

@@OfficerJakeyPoo they all have those in their respective eras. It was Wilt then Kareem came in a younger version of wilt. He was the eye test in the league back then

since the 2011 Lebron has been on the best run this league has ever seen he’s had 9 finals appearances in 10yrs u have to go back to bill russel back in the 50s, 60’s whose team had 8 HOF and the league had 8 teams to see such dominance lol, LBJ is doin with the toughest competition ever the league has 30 teams and basketball is more globalized than ever so the pool of talent in the nba is the best ever filled with the best athletes in the world so yeah what LBJ has done is second to none. how is LBJ not the goat that’s the question, makin 6 finals in 15years in a watered down era when nba had 6 expansion teamsisnt that impressive, mj needed Phil Jackson and pippen and he understood that too cuz as soon as his coach got fired in 98 and he had a chance to play for a new coach, what did mj do ? He quit and retired ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴀ ᴡᴇᴀᴋ sᴀᴜᴄᴇ while LBJ has taken 5 head coaches to the nba finals 4 of them rookies ffs and has won with 3 different franchises. By the way b4 Phil and pippen mj was 1-9 in the playoffs and couldn’t get out the 1st round😂🤣 while LBJ was gettin to the finals as a 3rd year player ❗️ sᴋɪᴘ and rob talks about LBJ finals losses but lemme ask u since when gettin swept in the first round became better than losing in the finals so this notion that LBJ havin 6 losses is the worst thing in the world is a false narrative , when u’re able to take a bunch of cadaver to the finals,(LBJ did it 2007,2018) as an underdog and lose its an accomplishment , just gettin to the finals is an accomplishment all itself, it means u are a division champion which u get a trophy for and get to represent ur conference in the finals so yea LBJ still got 2 or 3 prime years ᴜ left the way he played his 19th season by the time its all said and done LBJ’s career is gonna be miles upon miles better than Jordan cuz LBJ actually never quit the sport twice like MJ , LBJ has been 19 years of greatness and counting enjoy haters❗️

And cp0 is ranked too close to luka

No he doesn’t not all time lmaoo

@king cat!!!!!! "don't know basketball" is an overused statement with no real argument being made. The fact is Luka haven't done anything of significance in the NBA. Maybe he's better but hasn't proven anything.

NBA HISTORY most ring - bill russell - 11 most points - kareem - 38,387 most dominant - wilt (hold most nba individual titles) most accomplished basket baller ever - kareem ( won in high school / college / pros

you should know people dont like to use context. If we did lebrons finals loses wouldn't matter as much when he was undermanned.

7 foot 2*

It's still valuable in the modern game. See KD, Giannis and Shaq. Sure they may not be 7,2 but they may as well be 7 footers.

And? I mean, I don't see why that's in the discussion: it's not a bad thing to be tall, and it's not more important for a basketball team of you are effective because you are smart, tall, athletic or whatever. This thing that "skill" is more important is such a fake argument: would rather have Kyrie or Giannis? Kyrie's way more skilled, but Giannis is the better player and that's it.

You're absolutely right, being tall is awesome. I myself I am 6'8 and I absolutely love it. I wouldn't trade it for the world, so you are preaching to the choir but my point was back in the NBA at that time, players could easily pad their stats if they were that height. Kareem was amazing but the idea that he was better than Michael Jordan is just crazy. That's just my opinion

And I'm not saying that it's not valuable to be tall. It's one of the most valuable assets a player can have. What I meant was back when Kareem was playing, there were way less 7-footers in the league. Now every team has two or three, back then some of the post players were 6'9.

shawn kemp 96, casual

This is a lie. It says a lot about your ability to grasp reality

Ppl really just think his career was a movie fairytale n nothing went wrong.

@@Spacetech3000 i swear 😂

Guy played 12-13 seasons but somehow only 6 count. Kareem dominated in high school college and pro yet MJ’s 6 yrs of winning trumps all that. It’s BS and a Jordan bulls fan

Yeah he's annoying AF, constantly trying to cut in and interrupt the other two even though he's already dominated the first 5 minutes of the segment...and the segments only go 10 mins on average.

First round sweeps should be countered with missing the playoffs. - Jordan swept 3 times (and missed it 2x with wizards) vs Lebron didnt even make it 4times

Would you rather a silver medal or not even making the podium ?

​@@rashaanc.richardson9057 lebron year 1 missed playoffs Year 2 missed playoffs Year 3 finally made playoffs in a weaker eastern conference.

first roun is more e,barrassing

Nah it's just a bunch of out of context cherry picking like Nick normally does. Kareem is the only supposed GOAT candidate to miss the playoffs twice in his prime, and wasn't even the best player on half his championships. That alone excludes him from being in Jordan's league.

@@scoop2448 same with Kobe lol

nah, nick is being disingenuous. he’s made and shown us countless list before ab his top players ever, and literally every time he has jordan ahead of kareem but now suddenly doesn’t 🙄

Yeah I rate Kareem that high but I rate Lebron real low like number 9. If you are giving Kareem all this praise, then what the heck type of argument will you have for Lebron's weaker GOAT resume???

@@TotalMobilizationOfLifeForce Yeah it was unstoppable shot in the regular season, but not so much in the Finals.. and that's the point.

Bro it’s simple lebron has played 19 years at level no one including Kareem has.

@@christianshaw9385 Jordan’s peak was definitely higher than LeBrons peak

Somehow going 6/10 in finals is better than going 6/6....6 in a row....according to nick 😳😑 wtf am I watching? 😆

@@artur583 it wasn’t 6 in a row he fumbled the bag against Orlando

@@christianshaw9385 then he came back and swept em

Debates would be no fun if everyone thought the same way

@@kanestra8upmenace251 Not truth Bulls are considered the greatest team of all time for a reason Jordan never won without Pippen at least Kareem won in Bucks without Magic also MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson and great shooters and clutch players around him like Kukoc and Kerr and also the greatest rebounder in the last 40 years at least named Rodman so yes he had much more help than Kareem had in his career

And you are now ignoring everything and all facts that Nock Wright said about Kareem

@@paulrodriguez2337 ok let’s start 6 championships Kareem to 6 championships MJ (Mj never lost a final and never went to game seven). In all 6 Finals MJ got the MVP and was the best player of his time. On the other side Kareem was only 2 times MVP. . This alone says it all . Kareem was not even the best player of his team. I don’t have to go to the 10 scoring titles of MJ versus 2 of Kareem and other individual accolades that MJ is better than Kareem, Kareem is totally overrated. He should be outside the Top 5. In his peak Shaq was WAY BETTER than Kareem. Not to forget that Kareem was ridiculed 2 times by other centers. In 1983 Finals where the lakers lost 4-0 from the sixes and Moses Malone made fun of him - go check the stats and in 1986 western conference finals against the Houston Rockets from Hakeem the dream

@@georgekontogouris6618 Ok You are again ignoring all the facts that Nick Wright said about Kareem you are just going by whatever you like i will not debate with you about Kareem stats and accomplishments just go to watch the video and see Kareem accomplishments and what he do in his career only thing i will said in response of your thing about Shaq you need to be a dumb person to put Shaq over Kareem everyones know that Kareem is much greater Shaq really didn’t do much in his career what he do without Kobe just tell me he never accomplished a lot also in response to what you said about Kareem getting swept and dominate by Moses Malone like common MJ got swept in the 1st round thrice 😂😂😂 he got dominated by Larry Bird he was just a loser before Pippen came there and before he had a great team he also retired twice so he quit from basketball since he had no longevity Kareem just play and dominate for his whole 20 years career he was the best player for over a decade i am talking about from the 70s to starting at the 80s he also won 6 MVP and could won DPOY multiple times but the award didn’t exist in that time also remember MJ miss playoffs with Wizards and the best prove about he doing nothing without a great team is first years with Bulls he never make the Finals and win championship until the Pistons got old also with Wizards he miss playoffs and got bad games and i don’t want excuses of him being 38 years old because at that age Kareem became the oldest FMVP in history and at 40 years old he was competing in the Finals while MJ was missing playoffs and getting forget by people 😂😂😂😂

@@paulrodriguez2337 it’s the only thing you have to say because you have no arguments. stupid facts of Nick. Always avoids mentioning the serious facts that separate the Goat from the Greats . Keep listening and o stupid Nick

He's so overlooked it's disgusting.

Agreed but Bron isn't 2

He played with so many Hall of Famers that I can’t give it to him

@@missrachel2 I agree, he is number 3.

He's my goat too. He had the best career from high school through the NBA. The never say kareem vs Jordan but I make the argument for that debate all of the time.

He's not, that chart was garbage. Like Nick said. He talks about winning and Kareem has the same number of rings as Jordan and more appearances in the Finals. Like I've always said MJ didn't play just 6yrs he played 15yrs, so what happened the other 9yrs?

@@tankwhite.7036 Kareem wasn't the leader of 5 of his 6 chips. So saying "he has 6 like Jordan" is disengenous.

@@x-man9473 yeah like comparing Bill Russell 11 to Jordan 6!

@@tankwhite.7036 In that case are you willing to put Horry over Lebron. Lmao

@@Lovechie4life Are you willing to put Horry over Barkley?

Jackie Chan is a better action star

@@DannyDoGood overall, nobody ranks Jackie Chan over Bruce Lee. Jackie would would slap you in the face if you do. 😅

Jackie Chan has smashed Bruce Lee in box office revenue like a hundred times over, so yeah, that actually is a factor.

@@onidtubes The legend of Bruce Lee is big, but Rush Hour beats every movie he's ever made, in the box office. Chan is a bigger action star.

If you guys are millenials, I don't blame you, lol. Let's go ahead and rank Steven Seagal over Bruce cause he was a box office king too. 😅When I say " overall " , i include impact.

and jordan quit on his teammates during his prime after winning, id understand after a loss, but mans so weak, he couldnt handle the grind, hes a quitter, his own words was close to a burn out

Longevity must be a big part of the equation. Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever for one season, but that does not mean he is the best overall. If Michael Jordan was by far and away the best ever, then he would be the career points leader, and he is not. Michael Jordan is popular, rich, and has a "cool" factor, but that does not mean he is the best ever.

@@youraverage90sguys7 but yet ppl just add that to the fairy tale like quitting for 2 yrs dont count. They can say he was on the greatest team of all time but everyone else got more help than mj. Ppl so delusional

@@youraverage90sguys7 man’s weak? His father died that summer and his father always wanted him to play baseball so he left basketball to give his father’s wish a try. You really should do your research before you judge someone.

@@deanalbertson7203 Wilt’s dominance lasted for multiple seasons and if you don’t think playing at a historical level for 12 years is longevity after going to college, you really have some problems. The man walked into the league as one of, if not the best player. Averaged over 30 for 8 years, including 3 season over 33 a game. He has the highest player efficiency rating ever despite his “weak years” in Washington dropping that average. Karl Malone is 3rd all-time in points and never led the league in scoring. So according to you he is not only in the argument for being the GOAT but he is also a better scorer than Jordan. And with that argument Larry Bird and Magic Johnson might not even be hall of fame worthy.

That’s subjective you could never say whose the greatest because it’s all opinion based

@@PatriccSellapound372 I can do what I want because it's MY LIST lol but I understand what your saying Respect

Yeah Chris Broussard really never had an argument only that graphic Nick Wright tell a lot of facts about Kareem i was surprised about Chris Broussard actitud since he was screaming saying how Nick Wright was so wrong without telling an argument

I would say kareem is the greatest basketball player ever and Jordan is the greatest NBA player

@@THE1BELOWANDABOVEALL Another MJ fanboy did you are mad just because your lover is 3rd all time 😂😂😂 even if your argument is that Broussard brings that graphic that was his only argument he was really screaming and crying to Nick Wright saying he was wrong without telling an argument at least Nick Wright brings a graphic plus spoke a lot of facts about Kareem being over Jordan he also brings something else and was SportsCenter picking MJ as the greatest college basketball player of all time over legends like Kareem and Bill Russell and Wilt and Magic and even Bird all this 5 players are over MJ as a college basketball player this just proves how MJ fanboys are the most stupid and bias of all time that is exactly what SportsCenter is and also how ESPN for the most part is and much others that is how the media influence and brainwashed a lot of people always talking about MJ being the best when he is not

Wow Nick Is so right about this it’s scary!

100% true and so many arguments that are in favour of MJ that will take hours to write them

You hit it on the money

No one who says “it’s about winning” then says any name other than Russell has any credibility.

Imma big lebron fan and the case that he made for kareem def changed my mind on lebron being second lol but I’m ok with him being 3rd

what?! lol lebron does more on the court than mike, kobe, duncan, etc. bron has scored, rebounded, and gotten assists his whole career.

@@Tonio5100 i actually watch the games and now lebron still dominated when he didnt have a star teammates unlike jordan,

@@romondoellison1332 The man just had HOFer as teammates and had a WORSE record than Jordan on the Wizards with Kwame Brown & Tyrone Lue 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@@romondoellison1332 Jordan only needed ONE star teammate to win SIX titles Lebron played with like 8-12 stars in his career and only won 4 GTFOH 🤦🏾‍♂️

thank you.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lebron>MJ

Alot of his Postseason accomplishments were due to Magic joining the team as well.

Would you rather be with a girl who's a 10 for 10 years or would you take a 9 for 15 years?

That’s BS argument because ppl call Brady the GOAT cause of longevity when it’s other players who can match his prime

@@asieduy that’s a poor analogy and you know it. Greatest is about peak. Longevity brings in a whole hosts of outside factors that don’t indicate skills, or impact on winning. No one says I wanna be second. No one tells their boss no to a promotion because they prefer getting paid less. No one strives for their kids to be a follower. You don’t tell your daughter to date lower than the best she can.

Longevity isn't the reason. You have to be good for a long time to do what Kareem has

It's of the last 50 years. We arent including anyone before

Yep , Kareem was insane , the top three guys all have cases people get too irrational

10 years???? Jordan was dominate over 13 years. All 13 with the bulls. Unless you don’t want to count the year he got hurt and the year he missed half with retirement

This is very true

Leave NW alone...he's going to die on this hill. NW is one of those you just agree to disagree with...he's a troll 😄. He knows it

with age I definitely have more respect for this angle....Kareem, Rose, Ripken, Lebron....guys who played a ton of games at an uber high level. Respect.

Load with trash bags who could barely dribble

not only that, the margin in which he lost the 4 times he went 7 games against russel series was 9 points over 4 game 7s, bascially 2 points per game, thats a single possession game, couldve easily been a toss up, russel never dominated even with a loaded team when things were equal

Wilt had loaded teams too don’t forget that

@@Playboyy1985 yes he did, but never nowhere near to how loaded russels team was. its exactly like lebron and kd, yes cavs was loaded, but gsw with kd was not getting beat by anybody, same with celtics in 60s

@@youraverage90sguys7 nooo not even close. Russell did not have a dynasty type team that also added another top 20 player of all time. The three years After Cousy retired: 64, ‘65, and especially ‘66 Wilt had easily the better cast and still lost to Russell. His numbers drop drastically from regular season to playoffs as well.

Hes 10th on my list

This comment is exactly how Nick is setting it up

And this is why I consider Nick to be slippery and disingenuous. He is just blindly biased for Lebron, the shepherd of the "blind witnesses" to reluctantly use a Skip reference.

Nick think he smart lol

@@kybernetic8 but what he said still is a fact you can’t counter the argument that kareem had a better carrier than MJ kareem is like Duncan Kobe comparison Duncan is better than Bryant but a lot of people take Kobe because he was electrifying

@Tong Zou he picks and chooses when the Lebron is goat narrative suits his conversation. In this one I don’t think the year after missing the playoffs he could convince everyone Lebron is #1, but saying Kareem instead of Jordan is better makes him seem “less” biased, knowing the second Lebron passes Kareem in scoring Nick will elevate him to goat. He’s essentially reinventing the goat argument by throwing Kareem in there to make it seem like Jordan and Lebron fans can meet in the middle knowing when Lebron passes him it’ll be easier to convince people Lebron is the goat

Broussard explanation defending Jordan is so lame

@@albertparson5097 How so?

@@fundy023 To say because

@@fundy023 It was no big deal for Kareem to have been outplayed by Moses Malone in 1983 because he was 28 years old and in his prime Kareem was 36 years old and to add to that 3 tears later he was outplayed by Olajuwan at 39 just shows your how lame Brousard is He refers to himself as the elderly wise one but really I think not

@@albertparson5097 Right? And the reason I think it’s an insult isn’t because it is to everyone. But Kareem was without a doubt the goat before MJ and Lebron so for him to see himself go from #1 no doubt to never being higher than 3 by most analysts has got to feel like trash. And then these Michael Jordan apologists making it seem like he was perfect. He’s allowed to miss seasons and do this and that but nobody holds it against him. In every other sport longevity is one of the key factors. Nobody calls Tyson the greatest boxer of all time even though he had probably the best/most exciting prime. They’re all beyond amazing but when it’s this close it’s fair to nitpick every little thing but when only lebron and Kareem get any criticism how can you call that a fair argument?

That graphic he presented was impressive. Kareem might overtake LeBron on my list. Might have to go Mj, Kareem, then LeBron after Nick releases his video of Kareem and he gives an even further break down.

@@sandman1008 Exactly the argument that LeBron is the 2nd greatest that’s just propaganda, people who know what they’re talking about been now this. And we know LeBron is not the greatest.

@@sandman1008 that graph was cherry picked

Mj ,Kareem , lebron , Wilt , Tim Duncan

@@Dayxh8 lebron, mj, kareem

MJ By far the goat. not even close

against worn out teams? Not to mention having all time great teammates? Didnt he get bounced off 1st round everytime scottie wasnt there? but yea stay delusional.

Last time i remember twas the Bulls led by Mj and Phil not only Jordan but yeah go ahead casual lmao

@@pepegachamp684 What worn out teams? Jordan played with one franchise player in his career. Jordan led the Bulls out of the 1st round with a rookie 8th man Pippen, rookie Pippen started zero games, no All-Rookie team and wasn't even the best rookie on the Bulls. How many 1st round exits does Pippen have without Jordan despite joining Hakeem and Barkley and a stacked Portland team?

@@pepegachamp684 Stay indignant with your worn out excuses.

That graphic was so biased 😂 someone could easily do that to favor LeBron or Kareem as well. Dude put all-defense selections but not all-nba selections, 3-peats instead of finals appearances, and dedicated two whole categories to meaningless single season statistical 'championships'.

@@matthasahand5495 Well I'd argue that WINNING 3-peats and doing it TWICE is more impressive than going to the finals and losing. Many players have done that. But I agree, take that out, you still have MJ over all of them. Additionally all-nba selections again, is a longevity stat. The fact that Jordan as a shooting guard who everyone remembers as a scorer was all defense MORE times in LESS years than the others is astounding. Again LeBron and Kareem have the longevity stats. That's it.

@@mak23997 having 3 peats and rings as two categories is redundant. It doesn't matter how close the chips are together, just that they exist. At a certain point longevity matters, otherwise we would only judge guys by their very best season. And all NBA 1st teams is not a longevity stat. Only 3 guys ever have more than 10.

@@mak23997 Didn’t his 3Peats come through a year & half’s worth of rest away from the NBA grind? Isn’t MJ solely responsible for the length of his career?

Hes a utter fool. Jordan must have not gave him an autograph when he was a kid or something

Easier to just call Nick stupid

Not really Lebron is going to pass Kareem in points, and also has 10k assist and rebounds and unlike Kareem he was the best player on all his championship teams, Lebrons longevity is already better than kareems too, the only thing mj has is 2more rings which is because mj didn’t have to play the warriors with kD back to back years and 1 more mvp

@@randygoku4055 so as per Nick, 6 out of 10 is better than 6 out of 6, what do you say for 4 out of 10. Is that better? Most rings of the era, most mvps of the era... Isn't that more than LBJ too? More rebounds than MJ he said. LBJ? Most unstoppable shot. Does LBJ even have one? I think he spoke about two way player. Has LBJ been a better 2 way player than KAJ? I think KAJ is third or fourth in blocks all-time. Listen, LeBron gets a lifetime achievement award. He deserves it. One of the greatest. Definitively. But stop with the GOAT stuff now. He's not even better than KAJ on the lifetime basis, much less on a GOAT status.

@@randygoku4055 also, MJ made the Bulls his era's Warriors. Unstoppable. And that was literally unstoppable. We always try to use the Warriors argument against MJs teams without realizing that it is the most nonsensical thing to do. MJ WAS the big bad wolf. And nobody, Magic, Isiah, Drexler, Hakeem, Shaq, Stockton and Malone, Payton and Kemp, Ewing and the Knicks, Reggie and the Pacers, Zo and Miami, Barkley and his Suns..., NOBODY was gonna get past him. Of course he didn't have the Warriors to play. He was THAT guy... His team was a better Warriors

Facts 😂😂😂

And yet Nick stupidly thinks he’s winning the debate.

1. Jordan 2. Kobe 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Lebron Now that’s what u call simple.

Kareem should be #1

1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Kobe 4. Lebron 5. Magic

@@soleil3gs Kareem should be #1

I can still hrar bob costas voice after jordan hit the shot "chicago with the lead"

Agreed

he's done plenty to surpass magic.... Bron is almost inarguably a better all-around and more individually impactful player than Magic, and is just as accomplished for his career. he's still not better than Jordan tho

He always does

@El cucuy (my opinion) Chris tripping on this a little Kareem is disrespected always in there convos. I really don't have a problem with Kareem being first I have MJ as the goat though....

Bosh is trash, he had 1 first round exit before joining lebron, he was never an mvp, he was only picked for one all nba second team. Olajuwon and Barkley were mvps have multiple all nba teams, multiple all defensive teams, rebounding titles. And both players lead their teams to the finals. Bosh is overated

@@carokann4397 i took barkley and oluwajon because they where Same draft class Like Wade and Bosh was lebron. Ok replace barkley with stockton. Feels better?

@@sethilumets3637 nah choose another guy that never won a playoff series lol

@@carokann4397 Even Jordan, oluwajon and Dana Barros make 8 in a row

he changed his mind hows that fishy lmao

@@jon401 He’s just being petty. His rationale even contradicts itself if you apply his logic to anyone that’s not Jordan. Like Luka being 20 for example when he loves career totals.

The difference is Kareem had Magic for 5 of those NBA titles

MJ 3rd all time actually 😂😂😂

@@paulrodriguez2337 🤡🤡🤡

@@andrerandall7873 The only clown 🤡🤡🤡 on here is you

That's where analytics comes into play. And Jordan is still #1 PER of all time🤷🏾‍♂️he's just the GOAT

@@norwoodhammond650 my man Jordan averaged 30 ppg for a career shooting an average of 1 3-pointer per game. Jordan has the most players defeated on his list that NEVER got a Win on Jordan.

@@norwoodhammond650 PER such a bad stat it’s creator knows

@@tyjohnson3111 right, unless it's your guy who had the highest PER of all time.

@@norwoodhammond650 PER doesn’t even weigh defense properly

That's not true

Then why doesn't Magic have any rings without Kareem

Thank u

Yeah it was Michael's team when he was getting swept in the 1st round. When they lost to Orlando on his turnovers and awful series. I guess we skip over The Wizards era since it was a disaster. It only counts when he wins. Smh

@@mikekillagreen9432 u can say the samething for literally every superstar. Nick is just mad that most sensible basketball fans and players prefer MJ over Bron and Kareem. So he will do everything in his power to bring up every bad moment in MJ career

How was magic dragging kareem when Kareem won finals mvp playing with magic 🤨

This is spoken like a true basketball novice Magic Johnson was not dragging Kareem alone Magic Johnson only made one finals when he wasn't playing with Kareem at least know your history before you open your mouth

With all those nine times he played 82 games he still didn't play more years more games for more points get more rebounds more assists more blocks than Kareem

@@Tojohiruma I was mostly speaking of the last couple of years where they lost to Detroit, beat Detroit and beat Boston. I think there's a legitimate case that Magic should have won both of those Finals MVPs instead of just the one

Jordan couldn't keep it up tho. He literally quit the league for years at a time in between.

IF doesn't count

@@MrMDMPOfficial but them 6 loses in the finals for LeBron does though

@@captinchewy7592 so do the 4 wins. So what's your point?

@@captinchewy7592 and why bring up LeBron?? You were talking about Kareem and MJ

Losing in the finals is a failure?

@@dparks2856 yes

Be embarrassed for the paranoid Michael Jordan Stans, who Lebron terrifies worse than Michael Myers in "Halloween"... Every day, they'll spend a hour telling you Jordan's The GOAT...Then they spend the next 23 hours obsessed with telling you Lebron's NOT The GOAT. 🤔

Greatness ain’t quitting on your team twice

Never being dominated? Let’s not forget him losing to Detroit 3 years in a row in the playoffs.

@@joshuadean525 losing to the defending champions isn’t the same as choking away a title to Dirk.

that's not an argument, it's a bad love poem to Michael Jordan. Here's some questions why is he better than Kareem, who has the same number of rings, more league MVPs, scored more points, at a higher shooting percentage, pulled down more rebounds, more blocks, only averaged a little than one fewer assists per game. Or why is Jordan better than Chamberlain, who one year averaged 50pts and 20rbs per game, who once averaged 48.1 minutes per game, who one year lead the lead in assists. Or why is he better than Russell who had 11 rings in 13 years, and 8 in a row?

@@robotclark I can answer that: propaganda. Jordan's biggest fear is being forgotten and these people don't even know what came before him. Let Kareem get a documentary on Netflix. Let people see what wilt did.

No! Because the league was tough in 70-80s weak in the 90s and then tough again in the 2000s it’s just facts man duh bc Nick says so

@@bobbyd1632 Nick is the most delusional mfer on tv

@@bobbyd1632 shut up you don't know what's you're talking about 😂😂

@@bobbyd1632 😂 so 4 teams being added to the nba from 88 till late 90s made it weaker?

@@SeverancePay500 no man I was kidding, the expansion argument is way overrated. Sure it did make the league slightly more top heavy and the bottom teams slightly weaker for 3-8 years depending on the franchise. But in its totality the argument Lebron’s fans use to diminish the expansion era is very very flawed. I’m happy to explain in more detail if you want