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I don't know why I did it, but I entered another Surf Ski event.
Watch to the end to see why I think I didn't do so well.
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@wallybent
@wallybent 2 года назад
A very amusing and honest account of what happened Tim. We’ve all been there. I started at around 60 and feel I have improved every year since (now 68). In my first real competition (21k Squamish) I felt much like you. On the one that followed, a few days later (The Gorge - big event), 20 mins into the race I couldn’t see anyone, anywhere, and thought ‘Bloody hell, I’m last out of hundreds!” And I felt that way for most of the race…not to mention when I got T-boned and knocked off. I spent at least half the race loudly swearing at myself - the few stragglers around me probably thought I was demented. Now, a few years later, each time I go out, something new ‘clicks’ and feel I’m continuing to improve with age seemingly not being a handicap. I now do it 5 times a week (which includes two interval sessions with a group). In Hong Kong, we’re fortunate to have a vibrant and sociable s/surfing community, not to mention some spectacular coast-lines and really good conditions. Added to which, every November when the wind is really pumping, we have the international Dragon Run downwind…albeit Covid has put the dampers on the ‘international’ component. So, keep at it mate - you can only get better - it’ll come good and you’ll become addicted. I guarantee it!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
That’s good to hear that things will get better. I’ve done a fair bit of paddling since the video and you’re right, things just click each time. Maybe one day I’ll get to Hong Kong and have a go there!
@simonc1526
@simonc1526 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for taking the time to post this. I'm one month into my surfski career and I will be entering my first ocean race next (UK) summer. At least you have warm water - think about doing this in water at 10 degrees, that's my training ground until July next year. Keep paddling.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 11 месяцев назад
My advice: get a really stable ski! Good luck mate
@takethecatout
@takethecatout Год назад
Another superb video. Great to see what a high skill sport this is. These sorts of videos are invaluable to beginners such as myself. Really shows what’s it really like - the skills required - the exhaustion - the complexity of waves coming from variable directions. Thanks once again for your brutal honesty.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
It’s really cool you get something out of these videos. My truth is i just don’t paddle enough to really get big gains from the sport. I’m committed to triathlon right now but I really want to give paddling a real go at some point.
@takethecatout
@takethecatout Год назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda I get so much out of these videos, I just bought your t-shirt.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
Thanks mate. You’re a legend!
@jacqueslombard6967
@jacqueslombard6967 2 года назад
Very entertaining. I have just started paddling at the age of 54 and boy it’s like sitting on a needle. I loved your honest commentary and must say it’s given me great motivation to keep going. I recently moved to Herceg Novi in Montenegro and the sea here is like a mirror, almost every day. Despite this I have really struggled to stay on top but am improving everyday. Well done on only falling over “twice” and keep it going.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
I’m happy I entertained you. Thankfully I’m a strong swimmer. There’s 2 sayings I keep hearing: ability before stability and time in the boat. Good luck and thanks for watching
@Alastair510
@Alastair510 2 года назад
You seemed to do well getting out through the surf break. Maybe give yourself a pat on the back for that! As for the wavie turning your ski; this is something you really need to get a handle on. If you don't, you'll broach on steep fast waves. Tips; Use the rudder hard and early. As soon as you feel the boat going the wrong direction, correct strongly. Brace and lean to get it going in the right way. Keep looking for bumps 'pointing' in the right way. Put effort into getting to those. Maybe try shortening your paddle, if possible. Oh and when you need to sprint to catch a wave, shorten your strokes, get cadence up. It is ok to spill a bit of water.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
These are all great tips. Thanks. You’re not the first to say shorten my paddle. I’ll definitely try that.
@rw20000
@rw20000 2 года назад
Mate this is a great video. Some funny stuff in there. Congrats on finishing the thing. I'm a far worse paddler than you are and I found this pretty inspiring
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate. It’s nice to know that me falling in a thousand times inspires peor😂
@scottsawyer6128
@scottsawyer6128 2 года назад
Great video and commentary. You echoed a lot of the thoughts us less experienced ocean paddlers have. You finished 1 place ahead of me. Very sorry you didn’t enjoy it. It was tough. Personally I do enjoy that there’s so much to learn and seeing the stepped improvement. Good to get out of life’s comfort zones occasionally.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment Scott. I think part of my problem is I’m very competitive by nature but not competitive in this style of racing.
@steveclark8731
@steveclark8731 Год назад
Great video. Thanks for the ‘everyman’ perspective. It says more that you did it, knowing it was going to be a real challenge. “…you see these skis here in front of me… you’re not going to see them for long.” - laughing (MAO) with you, my friend.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
Glad I could make you laugh 😂
@daveneal2960
@daveneal2960 2 года назад
Good job Tim! Don't give up on the downwind ocean paddling mate, we've all been there! Don't forget you paddled 15km in open ocean and still came 12th! A lot of folk wouldn't even contemplate paddling out there, let alone being able to finish the race. I'm no expert, but if you can get yourself involved in an ocean paddling group that also does some flat water technique work, I think you'll be surprised at how you improve. Once you get a taste for linking those downwind runs, you won't look back! Have you looked into Paddle 2 Fitness run by Julian Norton Smith. Not sure if he's close to you, but I've heard his paddling groups are great!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for your comments. I’m really trying to work on my technique in flat water right now. Maybe I’ll give downwind another go when I can practise more regularly. I use to live in the Gold Coast but now I’m in Brisbane and don’t get to the ocean much. Yes, I know Julian. Amanda bought her ski from him.
@SteveSmith-xf1ju
@SteveSmith-xf1ju 2 года назад
Great video Tim, it's good to be able to laugh at yourself and know what suits your skill set.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
And this definitely doesn’t suit my skill level 🤣🤣
@craigsalkeld2871
@craigsalkeld2871 2 года назад
Great video Tim, true to life. Have seen many vids of the legends making it look easy, this is refreshing and perfect for those getting into ocean paddling. Keep at it, its an awesome sport, nothing like getting out off the coast in the ocean.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate. I’m here to say that anyone can give it a go. Don’t compare yourself to the pros - you’re right, they make it look easy.
@DavidMorrison
@DavidMorrison 2 года назад
Onya for perseverance. Don’t give it up. I started paddling and doing downwinds last year and had a few challenging first downwinds. Absolutely love them now. Thanks for sharing :-)
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate. I’m trying to get out more often to get better at my technique before tackling more downwinds
@mrs10001
@mrs10001 2 года назад
The mullet, indeed. Great video! Thanks for that.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for watching
@zavman109
@zavman109 Год назад
I know this is a late comment, but gotta say I find this inspiring. I have paddled sea kayaks for years and just this summer picked up a surfski, then another. I got the bug in an annual relay race in Bellingham WA USA. I am getting comfortable on flat water and braving the boat wakes a bit more. To me you are brave to do an ocean paddle, good work completing it. I am 54 btw. Hoping to do the race in my ski this year.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
Good luck with it mate. I find the older I get the less stable I get, but you also just have to keep practising
@DamianMillin
@DamianMillin 2 года назад
Excellent video and we’ve all been there! Keep on paddling !
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks! I’m determined to get better at this
@paddlefaster
@paddlefaster 2 года назад
A very honest look at your experience. I'm not one for short races. I absolutely can't stand them and every time I do one I wonder why I did it. Distance Flatwater is my thing and I'll stick to it.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Good on you John. Follow your heart.
@thekingo
@thekingo 2 года назад
Great video and commentary mate. Makes me wanna have a go. Despite the pain looked like fun to me. Its an achievement.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
It’s a love / hate relationship. Definitely give it a go
@thomasstorey5582
@thomasstorey5582 2 года назад
If you want to practise wave surfing head up to the Noosa river mouth. The waves there are quick big on high tide, and you can ride the waves all the way in. I paddle a Fenn XTS and it is stable enough to surf those waves with a lot of practise. Nice work on the race
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks. I’d love to go paddling with you there one day. Feel free to contact me via Insta if you’re interested @trifit.Tim.Amanda
@davidGrainger
@davidGrainger Год назад
Looks like the bucket is way too wide for you at the hips. The ski can tip pretty far before you get any feedback. Hip pads would help. You could get some 1/8" (3mm) kayak outfitting foam and build up layers along the vertical sides of the bucket at the hips until the boat is closer to your body at the top of the bucket. Good to have the pads thicker in the middle and thinner forward and aft so the ends don't interfere with your lower body rotation. I use 3M super 90 spray adhesive to glue the layers together and to the boat. GooGone cleans it up and allows you to remove it from the boat if you need to.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
Great tip. Thanks mate
@scottwatson1727
@scottwatson1727 2 года назад
Enjoyed the video. Not as easy as anyone thinks. Thanks for posting
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment Scott. It takes a lot more practise than the pros make it look like.
@chrisbarnes9260
@chrisbarnes9260 2 года назад
Fantastic effort 15k in the surf looks very tough. Keep it up love the videos
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate
@xscale
@xscale 2 года назад
Excellent video, Tim, thanks for recording it. I think you showed great heart - I'm not a lot more skilled and my longest paddle last year wasn't a lot longer than that, but I did it on Sydney Harbour with the comforting knowledge that if I screwed up there would be someone handy to save me. While I'm a newb too, it looks to me like your biggest problem is your stroke. I see you using your arms to pull the paddle backwards through the water. If I understand what I see and read from the likes of multi-Olympic winners Oscar Chalupsky and Ivan Lawler - they have lots of coaching videos on youtube - that's exactly wrong. What you want to do is fix your arms and rotate your core. That properly engages the big muscles of your body while letting the little ones - your arms - just take care of stability for you. You want to make certain to extract the paddle blade before it gets to your hips - anything past there will just destabilize you. And you want to let the blade fly through the water sideways while you drive the boat forward with your heel ... and ... Well, it's a complex set of movements and I can't possibly do it justice writing about it. All I'm really saying is, go watch Oscar and Ivan's videos and you'll find you improve incredibly quickly. Not certain what ski you have there either but you might want to go down a notch there to make this easier on yourself. I'm in a Think Ace myself and just loving it. This sport is always "stability before ability"!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment Peter. I watch a lot of Oscar and Ivan’s videos and I know my technique isn’t great. I’ll keep working on it and I’m sure it’ll improve over time.
@xscale
@xscale 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda No worries, Tim. Over the past 18 months of learning I've been writing a series of "Newbie Notes" in the Surfski Kayak group on Facebook, which has both of those champs in it - worth joining! Anyway, fwiw, when I go out these days, I generally think of just the same 5 fundamentals: 1. Adjust the heel rest to as close to the body as possible while still being able to straighten the driving leg. Start with it too close and then gradually lengthen it. Oh, and begin with the paddle on zero feather per Oscar and then gradually increase it to +30 on your dominant hand per Ivan ... 2. Top arm's elbow weighted down and close to the rotating body throughout the stroke - never straighten it. If I do this part right I expect to see my top hand pass horizontally in front of my eyes throughout the stroke. 3. Let the wing blade slide out while driving the heel forward. That increases your leverage while generating lift so long as you're also weighting down on the paddle. If I do this right I expect no splash on blade entry or exit. 4. Both arms stay "broken" - neither straight nor bent - and fixed throughout the stroke. With the chest and shoulders they make a rigid box that I rotate with my core. Doing this right gives me a feeling of "3 legged stool" on the water - where the legs are hand, hip and heel. 5. Lean forward on the bump to accelerate. Start paddling when the water is "uphill" in front of you, and stop paddling before the crest gets under you. Basically, if you have a bump in front of you, you almost certainly have one behind you too ... hence "keep the nose in the hole" and so on. No idea if any of those will be useful to you but just trying to explain them is useful to me ;-)
@danielspoon1234
@danielspoon1234 2 года назад
done well mate i started 3 months ago and getting very excited to just paddle with some others let alone trying an event! got a gibbons gsx been out in the ocean in it twice now third time in ocean, today was unreal fell in many times need to get some cardio done now so i dont die in 30 minutes on the water but the recoverys are whats hard i practiced alot of stabilisation drills on flat water and i have a regular paddle lol
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Sounds like you’ve got a spec ski. They’re as tippy as anything! Where do you live? We should catch up for a paddle
@danielspoon1234
@danielspoon1234 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda i live in yeppoon central queensland. yeah its pretty fun lol that would be great if your ever around or if im ever down south with my ski
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
We just passed through Rocky on our way back to Brisbane. We’ll be back there next year
@danielspoon1234
@danielspoon1234 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda yeah sweet! ill keep an eye on the channel mate have to go for a paddle at some point
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Our Insta or Fb are more current. Sometimes our RU-vid is a little behind.
@tommycheshire5508
@tommycheshire5508 2 года назад
Relax your hips. You boat is shaking as if it has tremors. Practice, spend a lot of time with your butt in the seat, practice practice. Everyone goes through this. I have faith in you. Take some lessons. On a wave you paddle as hard as you can to try and stay slightly in front of the wave. I am proud that you signed up.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
The boats not trembling, I am! Thanks for your confidence
@tommycheshire5508
@tommycheshire5508 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda show yourself that you can do it.
@Designerantable
@Designerantable 2 года назад
Hey Tim, try this: change the offset of your blades so they are the same. That is zero degrees. Then when you brace it will be the same both sides. Paddling becomes easier. Shorten your paddle when you get tired also. Look up Oscar Chalupskys clinic on RU-vid.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Mate really cool advice. Thank you I’ll try it
@Alastair510
@Alastair510 2 года назад
This is really individual. Oscar advocates it, but finds he doesn't cope with zero degrees himself. I think you have the angle right when the none-dominant paddle just naturally enters the water at 90 degrees to the boat.
@Designerantable
@Designerantable 2 года назад
@@Alastair510 Oscar has trouble because he's been doing it for 45 years with rotation. Tim should be fine
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
I feel the paddle angle is correct after lots of trial and error
@paradeltahike
@paradeltahike 2 года назад
Nice thank you for sharing
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Glad you liked it
@JuneQ1991
@JuneQ1991 2 года назад
Great video, thanks for sharing!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@wilsono-mt4nu
@wilsono-mt4nu 2 года назад
Great video mate
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate
@jd32k
@jd32k Год назад
How on earth are you staying in when those boats went infront!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
Hahah I have no idea 🤷🏻‍♂️ I was in my more stable ski though
@danielspoon1234
@danielspoon1234 2 года назад
only fell in 3 times! i think thats great for 15kms i understand why you didnt enjoy it the surf is fun for me but i get quite frusterated when im out deep and cant get moving fell of probably 20 times in the surf yesturday lol
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
It’s an incredibly frustrating sport!
@danielspoon1234
@danielspoon1234 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda it takes some detirmination, all my friends who try on my old anderson roll off the whole time lol
@stuartkent383
@stuartkent383 2 года назад
How is the aft cam Stabalised?
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
It’s a GoPro on a mount on the ski. The GoPro has its own stabilisation
@stuartkent383
@stuartkent383 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Jeez. Really works. I nice
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Yeah it’s definitely one of the best things about the gopro
@yiannis_christodoulou
@yiannis_christodoulou 2 года назад
Great video and looks fun
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks Yiannis. Not really my idea of fun. I thought it would be, but it’s not
@yiannis_christodoulou
@yiannis_christodoulou 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Thats a shame, I might think the same after giving it a go
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
I love ‘playing’ in the surf and trying to surf the waves but the long race just isn’t my thing
@yiannis_christodoulou
@yiannis_christodoulou 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda fair enough
@paulpallet4960
@paulpallet4960 2 года назад
Try going in a double downwind . You will learn to surf . paddle less fall out less and have enough time to look around and enjoy .
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
That’s an awesome idea. Do you have a double? And when are we doing it?
@stuartcathcart9677
@stuartcathcart9677 2 года назад
GOLD!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Definitely not a Gold medal 😂🤣
@maldrury8313
@maldrury8313 2 года назад
I'am a kayak fisherman so can't give you any paddling tips. Your level of fitness seems quite good however you were exhausted because of your lack of surfing skills. If you want to ocean race then you need to spend lots of time learning how to catch waves which after all is what surf skis are designed for. No doubt you would then enjoy this type of event.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Correct, correct and correct. I train for 4 sports so it’s very difficult to master any of them.
@tommycheshire5508
@tommycheshire5508 2 года назад
I noticed your bum wiggles a lot because you are tense in your waist and hips. You need more time in flat water until you can keep your deck level for half an hour. You also are not rotating your upper body. Imagine that you have a beach ball between your chest and the paddle. Keep the beach ball in place while you paddle. One final thing I noticed is that you kept your paddle in the water too long. You were slightly lifting water. You just need to put more time on the water and paddle some in the ocean. You paddled through the waves nicely going out and even tougher I thought, mowed through the boat wakes. Just hang in there and paddle as often as you run. Don’t be discouraged, you have done other things that were hard to do. I have faith in you I am the guy who commented earlier in the week when you were experimenting with your new, less stable ski. I am sticking with you. I surf, not very well with your standard sea kayak. Not a sit on top either. I am 76 years old. Tommy
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
I totally agree with all your points about wiggling and being tense and not rotating enough! I’ve struggled to paddle in the last few months and am looking forward to getting back out there. I remembered your name from your other comments. I appreciate your feedback and encouragement.
@tommycheshire5508
@tommycheshire5508 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda How about trying some rough flat waster.
@DrTommyDDS
@DrTommyDDS 2 года назад
You're using a lot of arms. No core rotation. Probably no legs too, which is probably why you're getting tired. You're much, much more experienced than me. I've only paddled lakes, and I cannot use my legs, because I'll probably fall over. I started using core rotation 2 weeks ago, and it's much less tiring than only using the arms.
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Yeah, thanks for the comment. I am starting to work on the legs and core rotation. It all takes time!
@glinleyt
@glinleyt Год назад
Mmm a downwind race but there's no wind... definitely not a race organised by Dean Gardiner! Keep it up mate. SA paddler here with 30 yrs of downwind time. Find yourself a more stable boat - you're looking real wobbly in that Think ski and EASY on the rudder, contrary to other advice offered here. Good remount technique! ;-)
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda Год назад
I can’t get a much more stable boat than the Think. I’ve had plenty of practise with the remount!
@MrCoolerman69
@MrCoolerman69 2 года назад
Get on the water more do some out and backs go into the wind and turn round then try to surf back you don’t have to go far little bit by little bit you had the balls to go in the race you are a winner mate 🏆
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Thanks mate. I’m living further from the beach than I use to so don’t get much chance to practise in the surf as I’d like. I’ll get there and I’m sure I’ll do some more downwinding again
@Nothling88
@Nothling88 2 года назад
😂
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Definitely the mullet slowed me down. And eating sweets made me feel better.
@Nothling88
@Nothling88 2 года назад
@@TriFitwithTimandAmanda The only solution is to grow it bigger. Surely the bigger it is, the bigger the aero benefit - like an aero TT helmet!
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda
@TriFitwithTimandAmanda 2 года назад
Now there’s an idea 💡
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