Did you even realize what you just $aid? Convert to_____? Then equated it with submit to ______? Christ is equal Catholicism. You just basically said Christ oppressed and burned people in medievall times. That Christ land grabbed and murdered children in Canada, that Christ lied to people and sold indulgences to build Vatican building.. Do you see your point? What a debasing the meaning of Christ. Please distinguish the difference of "submission to Christ" and those that "Come in the name of Christ" Papacy and Roman Catholiccism benefits from the gospel of Christ. Jesus warned believers many will come in his name and deceived people. Given the actions of Roman catholicism in medieval times and recently the FIDDUCIA SUPPLICANS - you must be dreaming of what Christ is .
@@sonsofpolaris6102salvation, for any who receive it, is through Christ alone. The fact that you claim anyone needs the RCC to be saved only shows that you are teaching a false gospel.
”The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.“ John 6:52-55 Jesus was not speaking symbolically. He meant what he said. It was so controversial that many disciples left him. Notice Jesus let them leave thinking he was being literal, because that is exactly what he meant.
Does the Levitical law have any weight using scripture to interpret scripture Leviticus 19:26 Leviticus17:14 disputing one among another; some understanding Christ, and others not; some being for him, and vindicated what he said; and others being against him, and who were the majority, objected, saying how can this man give us his flesh to eat? which is to be understood, not physically, but as morally impossible and unlawful; since, with the Jews, it was not lawful to eat the flesh of any creature alive, and much less the flesh of man; for the Jews understood Christ of a corporeal eating of his flesh, being strangers to a figurative or spiritual eating of it by faith, in which sense he meant it.
@@ottovonapps I can tell you that wanting exegesis on a single verse is not exegesis. John 3:3 cannot be separated from John3:5, a clear reference to baptism that gives us spiritual rebirth. In contrast, sola scriptura Protestants generally believe that one is "born again" through the Sinner's Prayer, which has no basis in the scripture they claim is the sole rule of faith. In fact, the Sinner's Prayer's historical roots only date back to the 1800's making it a man-made tradition.
John chapter 3: Jesus confused Nicodemus and then clarified. John Chapter 4: Jesus confused the Samaritan woman at the well and then clarified. John chapter 6: Jesus confused the disciples but instead of clarifying, he doubled down and simply asked the apostles if they were going to leave too. We have examples of Jesus speaking symbolically in John but the portion of chapter 6 that deals with eating his flesh is clearly different from those symbolic passages.
So you would separate the bread of life discourse from the rest of the text? Jesus states "the one who eats this bread will live forever", follows that with "the Spirit is the one who gives life...The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." Then we see Peter's confession in which he doesn't confess eating the flesh of Christ gives life, but His word does. Peter doesn't reaffirm the controversy of cannibalism as the key takeaway, but the concept of Christ as God whose words have eternal life. And just in case you were still confused about the Spirit, we see in John 7 a teaching on the Spirit (which gives eternal life) as water which one needs to drink. A direct connection to the Samaritan woman who fully understood there was no water to drink, only the Messiah to listen to as He is God. It's a poetic and symbolic masterpiece when read as a whole, and not in separated fragments
Those who heard Jesus were disciples who believed and yet left him after heard the hard saying on eating his flesh and drinking his blood, contrary to James claiming Jesus was only referring to flesh and blood as faith. Faith is ordered towards eating and drinking Jesus in the Eucharist contrary to James' Baptist errors.
I have provided the holy scripture to provide insight as to Catholic dogma on the Eucharist - the REAL presence. I find it problematic Dr White isnt able to do same for his audiences. The Son of Man, explanation given by White is well known for thousands of years, it is a term the Jewish faithful would correlate to the prophets. However, Dr White has a recurring habit in his apologetics to jump around a lot instead of making his point. Why doesn't not make his path straight, instead digressing about new words, anecdotes, describing the Son of Man all unnecessary to refute or debunk the Eucharist. If he has the proof of this let him cut to the chase using scripture in the all the Holy Bible to do so. For 1500 years before the protestant church began it's movement of faith alone, all early Christians ( Catholics and Orthodox) believed then and do now, the REAL PRESECNCE OF CHRIST JESUS in the Eucharist. Let that sink in. There is nothing NEW that Dr White can demonstrate, but he tries @ ironically 33:33 min he quotes "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh" then he ADDS "same as believing". Didn't Martin Luther add "alone" ? If Jesus wanted to double down on belief alone for his Eucharist remembrance, he would have said it, correct? Jesus goes on to say " I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me." again He didn't say " same as believing in His divinity. When the multitude are leaving Jesus and his apostles tell Him that the saying is hard to accept, does Jesus reassure them that it is a metaphor or parable and that he meant belief in Him being the Savior? NOPE. As you will SEE believe St Paul ALSO believes and CAUTIONS those believing Christians NOT to take the Eucharist UNWORTHILY. Finally, below you see that purposely Jesus did not REVEAL His identity to the 2 men on the road Emmaus until He Blessed and broke the bread...then VANISHED. Some protestants like to jest that Jesus isn't inside a wafer of Bread. Jesus is God and He has already proven He is capable of all miracles and He also has proved He is diligent to fulfill all prophecies and truths of His Word. Truly. as his vocation, I hope Dr White do a little more due diligence in his anti-Catholic rhetoric. Also, seriously researching the miracles of Eucharist throughout the ages, with more modern miracles' findings making scientists scratch their heads. You won't hear on mainstream news, just like you won't hear the miracles of the Shroud of Turin. RESEARCH and READ and learn for yourselves. JOHN 6:45: It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me. 46 Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread[c] which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”[d] 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” Luke 22:15: And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you I will not eat it[a] until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves. 18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.[b] ST PAUL 1 Corinthians 23: For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for[c] you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Partaking of the Supper Unworthily 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. Luke 24:28 So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He acted as if he were going farther, 29 but they urged him strongly, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them. 30 When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA “’Eat my flesh,’ [Jesus] says, ‘and drink my blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children” (The Instructor of Children ST. IGNATIUS of Antioch on the Eucharist in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans: “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.” The earliest Christians were much more informed without their faith being watered down by 500 years of protestant interpretations. The belief in Jesus' REAL presence for His future believers is essential and let's not forget Jesus said He is with us always until the close of the age.
True, from 325AD, Catholicism plunged the church into a dark age that would last 1200 years. If Jesus literally intended His disciples to eat His literal body and blood, then He would have been teaching individuals to violate the law found in places like Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 7:26-27, 17:14, 19:26, Deuteronomy 12:16, 23, 15:23, 1 Samuel 14:34, Acts 15:20, 29, and elsewhere. Eating blood is often described as a "sin against the Lord," so unless you are prepared to accuse Jesus of contradicting the law and teaching His hearers to sin against the Lord, Jesus OBVIOUSLY did not mean this literally.
Jesus Christ is the new passover Lamb to be consumed for our salvation, for Jesus Christ teaches "My Flesh is True food and Blood true drink ". Fallible Protestant Pastors like James White say to Jesus, "no it isn't!". The false and fallible teachings of James White, have made me a stronger Catholic Christian!! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!!
The Catholic Mass is the fulfillment of the Old Testament in Christ. Where in temple worship only the high priest could consume the sacrifice. Christ removed the veil of the holy of holies and by His sacrifice opened the way to proclaim by His death and resurrection and make those of his believers become priests (unlike the consecrated priest we have at Mass). Scripture says we are a nation of priests with Jesus the high priest. In this way we consume the sacrifice, the Eucharist, which is Christ resurrected and seated at the right hand of the Father who continually calls all of mankind. Scripture also says that unless we eat his flesh and drink his blood we will not have life, his life that he sacrificed for our redemption. If we look at the reaction of the apostles to this saying, they knew it was literal as many could not take it and no longer followed him. There is so much to unpack of this but I’m just giving a small amount of the churches teaching for now. Praise and glory to God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit which makes all happen.
Shame on you Dr. White has defended the faith far more than you could ever hope too ,I ve seen you posting around other RU-vid channels. Dr. James white is a trinitarian and brother in Christ. Smarten up!
@joelc-gc1hq James White attacks the Roman Catholic Church! I am simply refuting the repetitive errors taught by James White! James White is one of those false teachers that Saint Paul warned us about!! I challenge James White to a public debate on RU-vid regarding the teachings of Pope Francis as Biblical or not, if James White is not afraid! The false and fallible teachings of James White, have made me a stronger Catholic Christian! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
One needs to keep in mind that “eating” was what got Adam and Eve into the creation of original sin and non communion with God. Therefore “eating” as Jesus said is what will bring us back into communion with God after baptism and give the graces to live a holy life. It’s not a symbol but a reality.
@@charlottelauzon3147 exactly, as the Flesh of Jesus Christ is True food and Blood true drink, as Jesus Christ is the new passover Lamb to be consumed for our salvation!!!
I encourage everyone here to read Jesus and the jewish roots of the eucharist by Brant Pitre and see how amazing and deep the true teaching of the church is. There is absolutly NO WAY Jesus is merely speaking symbolically.
Off camera? Beginning of service? But you're right, they should've recorded that, also, the worship and the Lord's supper. Oh, And really they should record the tithing too. And imma need to see the camera of the parking lot gotta make sure he isn't preaching to an empty house. If we are going to weirdly gatekeep, why stop at the opening prayer
Speaking of John, here’s what his disciple, St. Ignatius of Antioch, had to say about the Eucharist in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 A.D.): “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.”
The use of that passage for Catholicism is some the most ridiculous proof texting / ignorance. In the immediately preceding sentences Ignatius is talking about the docetists who denied that Jesus had a physical body. Thus, they could not accept the Lord´s Supper as being the Lord´s blood/body (neither in the metaphorical sense nor in the literal sense), because for them there was no such thing. Thus, Ignatius is not addressing whether "the Lord´s body/flesh" is metaphorical or literal here. It´s addressing docetism.
How does He transubstantiate bread and wine into His body and blood before His crucifixion James? Because He is God of all creation and nothing that is not logically contradictory is impossible for Him.
Honestly speaking dr white does do his homework and research and is a snart guy... He like many other protestant pastors or scholars will someday have no choice but accept the Catholic truth...As fior me I will go wirh what Jesus,Paul and the church fathers have to say..What was believed for the first 1500 years of christianity...No disrespect to this man....
Honestly I expected a little better explanation than this. Catholic teaching seems more logical and consistent w OT Passover and covenantal sacrifice/meal than saying that eating and drinking = gazing and believing.
You're so close Dr White! Yet you can't quite put your finger on it! Of course, ,when you say "I am the bread of life" we naturally call to mind the Eucharistic Lord -- Christ as he truly is in the Eucharist. But if that's all you think, then you really don't know us and you really don't know our Lord! If you think the ministerial priest is doing some kind magic trick, or, by his own power is calling God down from heaven, as you seem to be teaching your congregation, then you truly don't know what your talking about! You come close when you bring up John 1! You come close when bring up his broken body! Yet still so far away: coming and believing is not the same thing as eating and drinking. Even the demons believe! Don't be deceived, Dr White! Of course a Catholic can attend liturgy every day and still reject God's saving grace --- just as any one of your own flock can reject his own salvation! Connect the dots and you'll eventually get there! Take the step beyond mere belief! We ate the fruit of paradise when we were commanded not to and fell; now we are commanded to eat the bread that came down from paradise and we rise again! All things point to Christ and all things find fulfillment in Christ! The bread of life is all Jesus, all Yahweh in the flesh! The Hebrews ate the sacrificial lamb from the altar of the temple; we eat the Sacrificial Lord, the Lamb of God, from the altar in the New Temple. The liturgy is the fulfillment of the old covenant temple worship. You say you don't know how Jesus can offer his flesh and blood before he offered his flesh and blood; well, he's God and we're not! Yes we must believe! But we must also devour him! This food he speaks of is not merely spiritual -- it is true food for our true eternal life. And that eternal life is bodysoul composite! You speak of this food as purely spiritual. That's great for angels and demons who are beings of pure spirit! Yet our God gives us food according to our nature. The nature he endowed upon us is not spiritual! Our nature, both here on Earth and in our eternal home is soul and body as one. And as the early Fathers said, this is no merely physical food, nor is this merely spiritual food (for the Word of God, the scripture, is spiritual food!). Ignatius said: "I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ . . . and for drink I desire His blood, which is love incorruptible" to the Romans around 110. I don't think I need to quote to you what he said to the Smynaeans about people who hold heterodox opinions. Justin: "For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus." Irenaeus: "But what consistency is there in those who hold that the bread over which thanks have been given is the Body of their Lord, and the cup His Blood….For as the bread from the earth, receiving the invocation of God, is no longer common bread but the Eucharist, consisting of two elements, earthly and heavenly, so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible but have the hope of resurrection into eternity." Tertullian: "The flesh, indeed, is washed [in Baptism], in order that the soul may be cleansed . . . the flesh is shadowed with the imposition of hands [in Confirmation], that the soul also may be illuminated by the Spirit; the flesh feeds [in the Eucharist] on the body and blood of Christ, that the soul likewise may be filled with God" Origen: "Formerly, in an obscure way, there was manna for food; now, however, in full view, there is the true food, the flesh of the Word of God, as He Himself says: ‘My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink’" Augustine: “Christ was carried in His own hands when, referring to His own body, he said, ‘This is my body’ [Matt. 26:26]. For he carried that body in His hands” Cyprian: "He [Paul] threatens, moreover, the stubborn and forward, and denounces them, saying, ‘Whosoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, is guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]. All these warnings being scorned and contemned-[lapsed Christians will often take Communion] before their sin is expiated, before Confession has been made of their crime, before their conscience has been purged by sacrifice and by the hand of the priest, before the offense of an angry and threatening Lord has been appeased, [and so] violence is done to His body and blood; and they sin now against their Lord more with their hand and mouth than when they denied their Lord” Connect all the dots! All of these men --- disciples of the Apostles, theologians, saints, men of profound faith --- all of them are teaching essentially what Dr White is denigrating about the Catholic faith. I know that Dr White knows his Greek, but none of these would understand his theology if he went back in time and delivered this speech in Greek! We do not eat this bread that came down from heaven so that God can sit in our stomachs. No. We eat this bread to be fortified in him; we eat this bread of life so that we enter God, so that we become one with him, so that we become HIS BODY.
