DR SIZWE MPOFU-WALSH. DEMOCRACY, NEW APARTHEID, YOUTH, GOVERNMENT, OXFORD,ANC, | Mpho Dagada 

Two young great minds, that's what SA needs now.

Y’all make me listen to politics as a young person which l never had interest as l have now! SA future is bright🎉

Mpho, please address him as Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh...The Title "Dr" is important 🙏 👌

What an impressive young man.

We need Young blood to lead SA... and these are the ppl who can lead

We are complicit in the downfall of this country by not hold those in so called power to full account. I also agree that we have been hold hostage by the liberation blackmail rhetoric for far too long while countries like Singapore have flourished.

I'm glad to be a part of the same generation as these guys... I hope one of these days I'll also feature on these platforms and share my 2 cents regarding the Governance and future of South Africa and Africa as a whole.

You have an intellect there. I'm enjoying listening to Dr. Size Mpofu-Welsh.

Conversations like these are golden.

I really appreciate the conversation, I have a sense 5-10 years from now, south africa is going to benefit from such conversations.

Sizwe's book is a must read. It's perfect description of what is currently happening in the country, and it confronts us with some of the most unconfortable realities

Well done Mr. Dagada....so mature in your reasoning.......aware of the people in their homes....proud people who no longer want to vote....

Yes boys yes ❤❤❤. No lies, real high level conversation.

Absolutely loved this conversation! So essentially, Black and Coloured people have been failed unforgivably💔. The cycle of survival and suffering is ongoing and endless, unless they become part of the private sphere of the country, and even there they still have to face all kinds of unnecessary challenges. Hai ke🚶🏾‍♀️

2 Terrific & Politically Sound Minds - They are my favourites - Other Intercessors out there - let's cover these guys in Intercession & Prayer - They represent hope of a Future Reformed & Rebuilt Africa.

We've actually lost the capacity to think, even beyond the status quo......Sizwe for CEO of SABC. Human Nature is always to migrate to places of commonality. THAT is not Apartheid. It is natural. Regardless of 'colour'; and the WORLD has changed - the WORLD is no longer safe, on your own, hence 'safe' environments; And, sadly also, seemingly, many of our people of colour seem to want to have their feet on both sides....part of the modern economy and it's trappings.....but still 'longing' for the comfort of the familiar....of the 'township', the lifestyle/community/traditions. Yet, traditionally, in a 'western' society - with it's desired trappings/offering - as working class advances, related individuals move/elevate/migrate/grow/assimilate totally, to(wards)/within more affluent, class based societies/areas/suburbs. Not so, necessarily, in South Africa? Therefore/thereby, arguably SUSTAINING 'old Apartheid' areas? WE NEED TO DEFINE AND INCULCATE A SOUTH AFRICAN CULTURE. ALL ENCOMPASSING, ALL EMBRACING. ACROSS COLOUR. ENGAGING, DEBATING, ARGUING, LEARNING, GROWING. TOGETHER. TOWARDS SUCH - WITHOUT POLITICIANS; We do not yet HAVE such a culture - and therefore much of the 'division'; although already, arguably, we as a people, of all colours, are MUCH closer, than apart - certainly than those with another narrative/agenda would have us believe. TO ELIMINATE 'APARTHEID', CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT; GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE ONLY WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD - STOP TRYING TO MANAGE, MANIPULATE AND CONTROL SOCIETY; AND SOCIETY WILL DO THAT THEMSELVES; NOT RE-INVENT THE WHEEL;. LET GOVERNMENT JUST DO WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO. FACILITATE. NO MORE NO LESS. AND THE PEOPLE/INDUSTRY WILL DO THE REST. INSTINCTIVELY. AUTOMATICALLY. And we have an INCREDIBLE calibre of young people of (all), colour developing now - in the past years - unlike, arguably, ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. Making us unbelieveably unique, advanced. And, as a consequence, BURSTING with unheard of potential/possibilities. AS A UNITED PEOPLE. Young people such as these two MOST incredible personalities; the growth and self identity of Dr. Mpofu-Walsh for one; so awesome, and humbling to watch/see. As are MANY, MANY others. No need to rethink ANYTHING. Apart from politics, values and corruption. Look and learn from those who have gone BEFORE, and DONE what we need to do: PROVIDE a successful economy, empower the people THROUGH such an economy, such as Singapore, such as Japan, such as South Korea - and such as South Africa historically -WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, (love it or hate it), WITH CURRENT RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE - Apartheid aside, not to diminish Apartheid and it's atrocities; yet, not throw the 'Baby out with the Bathwater'; WE HAVE PROVEN HISTORICAL POLICIES, INDUSTRIES, AND CAPABILITIES THAT - ALTHOUGH LARGELY FOR THE PRE-1994 MINORITY - ALSO PROVIDED BETTER THAN CURRENT - FOR ALL; FREE WORLD CLASS HOSPITALS, VOCATIONAL TRAINING/INSTITUTIONS, FOR ALL, FREE EDUCATION - ALBEIT UNACEPTABLY SUB STANDARD/UNEQUAL; ALL THIS FROM AND THROUGH THIS MINORITY; it is NOT necessary to re-invent the wheel - just expand the minority successes to and for ALL? The very SAME policies that have taken failed economies to Global Powerhouses - Japan, Singapore, South Korea, China, (Chinese anti democratic society aside) etc. Indisputedly so. But we have it all here already. Proven - let the Government facilitate the same - let the people, the economy, create, provide, thrive. Democracy - Change in Government. Profoundly said. Roll on May #2024 - bring on the period of pain. We are in a coming of age. We are maturing. Will the young people step up. Will they stay. Will they sacrifice. Towards the most incredible Country - EVER? Short term sacrifice - for long term gain? AND WE WILL NEVER FALL BEHIND THE REST OF THE WORLD - 4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION OR NOT. The Truth WILL set us Free. Together. Get back to Basics. The Family. The Community. Jobs. Prosperity. And all else will fall in place. Including the Constitution. And rights will manifest automatically. Within the Hearts. Within Society. GET POLITICS OUT OF DAILY LIFE. SOCIETY DOES NOT NEED POLITICS. POLITICS NEEDS SOCIETY - Time for the Tail to Stop Wagging the Dog. THINK. Beautifully put. Our people, through life experiences, second to none, have FAR more to offer than they realise - across all walks. To all. Globally. We need to get that confidence. And a successful economy and country will do that. What a powerful interview. Thank you.

This is rich. Quality!

Young people in government will make a great difference

Thanks!

I love these two intellectuals ❤❤

Future is bright!!! ANC Voetsek.......

We have to change the way we vew politics. People need to learn how to think, and not so much what to think.

What also worries me Mpho is Arise as a youth party is very slow in implementing new campaign ideas. Competing parties are scanning your pages for ideas in your comment section and quickly implementing them. There's nothing as effective as proving you are a worthy candidate by showing through implementation. E.G. You should be first to use AI as a campaign tool because if old parties that don't govern well campaign better than you, who is to say you will govern better than them. I sked about who is protecting Amapiano, experienced politicians saw power in this and ran with it. Ever since that comment the major party is campaigning through Amapiano. You shouldn't campaign through promises but through demonstrations.

Another idea Id wish you could discuss, If RU-vid, facebook and Tiktok can govern billions of users effectively then apps can replace ministers and governments with IT specialists, computer scientists, data analysts, app developers etc. After all, ministers sleep in parliament anyway. If managers can be replaced with software, politicians are just assigned government managers.

Two brightest minds in one room.

I think we must advocate for change whereby the people address the so-called ‘leaders’ instead of leaders addressing the people. When do people get a chance to debate and interrogate the leaders? So far in our democracy, The president only addresses the people and we don’t get a chance or platform to ask questions. This podcast here would be a great way to ask Ramaphosa’s views on this topics? He hasn’t had a single conversation with the people since becoming a president.

Loved every second of this interview, so informative. New Subby!!!

Mpho im really heart broken you won’t be on the ballot brother. You are a leader that this country so painfully needs. Your time will come brother. Let’s fight it but if the IEC don’t approve we’ll come back strong in 2029

I have a few objective views, especially on the state of SA in terms of wherer we are and where we could be. It's important to consider that we are one of the most advanced African countries, economically and socially. Our education system, as flawed as it is is still one of the best in Africa (hence we see so many foreginers comining in). As a consultant I have worked with various businesses and institutions and I recognize that most times what blinds us from seeing what SA truly is, is our priviledge. Outside of the political system we are one of the best nations in the world, and more than anything I reall wish such conversations would stem from that point of view versus a negative point of view

My Daughters came back with a school assignment asking how was apartheid in our days. That question smacked me in the face coz I still feel like we are still living under the same conditions. I said it was just like how you we are living now. What worried me is that they think we've gone past it which is dangerous coz they wont resist what they cant identify.

Smart conversation gents.

Very cool podcast. You guys should use Adobe Podcast (i.e. the audio enhancer function) to get rid of the background noise, while keeping the fidelity of the voices.

I have been waiting for this. Two brilliant minds.

interesting viewpoints, but as the young man says, idealistic. However, the points raised and the points made are very relevant. The discussion is real and insipiring.

Interesting ✅

When @swizempofuwalsh steps away from hosting. the future Administrator/Minister/President steps up. I watched and listened to a whale in a pond today. Thank you Mpho.

Great podcast 🎉

I think a harsh lesson that sizwe might learn after this interview, insightful and honest as it may be, get ready for a warning letter ✉️ from the SABC, rule number one of life, never speak truth about the powers that be, they will break your neck and leave you starving.

Ever heard about freedom of association? Respect it! That's democracy!

Podcasts are taking off in south Africa ✈️

“I think we have become lost in liberation blackmail and we’ve been told the story for so long (*conditioned!!!) that life is better than it was during apartheid, and we have failed to appreciate how far ahead we should be at this point…” “…we’ve actually lost the capacity (*demoralised!!!) to even imagine something beyond the status quo…” Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh. Wow, that cuts deep!!! *Words in brackets added by me for emphasis.

Hello Mpho Dagada. It is nice to make an acquaintance. Yours sounds as another one of these fresh voices that are critically thoughtful.

Just a small point - GDP per capita is a measure of 'economic output'- not, how much each person has. Thanks for another great interview

Great conversation

This is beautiful. Enkosi majita.

This is good. I learnt a lot . Please bring Prof Ramose Mogobe and Dr Lwazi Lushaba. From Zimbabwe- Bulawayo

Mpho continue working hard yoi are such a brilliant man the ability of young raising up

Love you Mpho ♥️♥️♥️♥️

Thomas Mabaso is a young gentleman who can be trusted with the head of political parties engaging he is the best in politians ❤

The summary of this conversation is at 41:00 and that's the most one thing we need. The Constitution of South Africa has to me changed...

Lovely seeing & hearing from Sizwe on a different platform & learning more about his opinions & perspective. Mpho you had some great questions & I look forward to diving into your content more! Just a few comments from me: Mark Zuckerberg went to Harvard* & not Stanford; As a fellow South African who’s also been educated abroad (US tertiary system - liberal arts undergrad, state school graduate program) I think we should be cautious about idolizing overseas, & particularly the elitist institutions especially given their biased admissions practices (RE USA - college admissions scandal) and history of producing people & institutions, companies etc who perpetuate systems of inequality at the nation state & global levels to varying extents. Their ethics are questionable but the quality of education is great thanks to the resources they afford students. At the end of the day it’s not like the likes of the Ivies or Oxbridge have periodic tables with elements the rest of us can’t access. I wouldn’t consider the US as a beacon of democracy either ( I mean their geopolitical & domestic policy track records aren’t great). In the words of Julius Nyerere “The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them (parties).” The west has resources but not the solutions or answers for Africa at least. Fantastic conversation!

Critical thinking!!!! That is what I learned at the University of Pretoria in 1987.

Government employees should go to public hospitals, schools n clinics... They will be forced to fix those institutions. Idealogies by Thomas Sankara should inspire change in dynamics.

At 24:36...you realize who is in touch with the people.....because what follows is a bizzzzarre answer by the Dr. concluding with.....it's that simple.....???

"We think we're a democracy..!!??... we'll see..!??!!...".. how thought provoking..

I read the caption and agreed same time 😂😂😂 Worse i had a conversation with my grandad literally this morning

amazing

If MK for us why are their not votimg against electricity and water hike show us u for the people ...we has people dont care about parties we want a society in which we can raise our kids.give us a safer south africa

Mpho muted Sizwe @ 35:29. Where he said " If MK puts its house in order we could have ....??????". I'm curious now.

49:48 Come on Mpho, Mark Zuckerberg did not go to Stanford, He went to Harvard. What dorm room were they showing you in Stanford? Stanford is in California and Harvard is in Massachusetts literally a 48 hour drive from one state to the other. Don’t make us question your education. Anyway great chat with the honourable Dr Mpofu-Walsh.

I challenge Sizwe to show us the definition of democracy that necessarily means you have to have a change of government. There is no such definition. Democracy simply means a way of governing which depends on the will of the people. Regime change has nothing to do with democracy. If the people choose to vote for the same party 100 times in a row, that doesn’t meant it’s not a democracy. Why do we allow people say dumb shit and go unchallenged?

Not sure if looking up to Japan for economic inspiration helps given the huge historical differences between the 2 countries , if one looks at an Asian country we rather look closer at Singapore closer

America hasn’t done well with the lobbying at all. That government is captured too. The corporations with the most money fund the lobbying and influence policy making. Thats a whole other mess.

I do not like this guy Mpho Dagada because of his comments of Julius which I am of the view that it was misrepresentation of what Julius said, but just like I am well within my right to have my views so does he. But overall this is one of the most intellectually stimulating podcasts. Such intellectual questions and answers. Really really got me pondering on a lot of what is happening and what could be in our country. Big ups 👍👍👍👍

Was starting to enjoy some really intelligent debate. But this apartheid position is so backward thinking. Why would we want government involved in anything outside of legislation, infrastructure, education and health. Governments have the worst track record in capital deployment of all investment classes. Please keep the debates looking forward and not this apartheid nonsense.

... lots of deliberations here ... but not a word about the starving Xhosa children in the Eastern Cape ... ?

Racism 1:37 is very much alive in the Northern Suburbs of the western cape💞

Wow

I dont think its a new apartheid.... Its capitalism based on who contributes to the income of society..... So you want communism or socialism or capitatalism?

If apartheid is privatized in SA after 1994 then my question is obviously why. Who want apartheid, is it whites, blacks, colourds? If whites are paying to enjoy apartheid after 1994 why what is the reason for that? Let's discuss this topic I think it would be very interesting.

If the definition of apartheid is ' a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.' this would put BBBEE squarely in the court of ' apartheid ' - I think that world wide there is segregation on the basis of culture , education and economic resources - birds of a feather flock together ' . The new generation now have terms like ' gender apartheid ' . Those who put in the effort , despite all odds, survive and I really don't think its a race issue. Many of my friends across the spectrum have done well , and many others have struggled . The point I am trying to make is we should be very careful of using terms like ' apartheid ' only with a clear definition , to avoid it becoming yet another trigger word that will be used as the reason for many's predicament.

Is it privatized through corruption!!

Rupertized. The Oppenheimers are throwing everything in, including funding of podcasts 😂😂😂

National party join ANC & get lost in the midst of ANC, come on, it never died.

Politicians don't behave like junior school kidz

Lobbying of politics is the problem of the the us

Why did he cut sizwe at 35:30 🤔

Sizwe talk to him about the 1820thys settler's who fought for apartaid to be abolished and freedom to unite

Which private institution that's are better than our education system/public institutions.😅

It's easy to tell when an interviewer has read the book from the way he introduces the book, Sizwe shouldn't do interviews to those who haven't read the book cause the conversation gets relegated to superficial stuff while the book has so much depth. Even to you Mpho, why request an interview while you haven't read the book, especially if the book is one of the bullet points in your topics?

Sizwe please click on 1820thys settlers you will know how apartaid was abolished

Mpho please also go on the macg podcast. We need people like you to speak to that demographic

Only obaba can sort out this mess,only obaba

Sizwe call for Thabo Mbheki for Anc most people will vote Mbkeki not Ramaposa

23:31 12:39

Young men what do you know about apartheid you weren't even born you need to have lived in the apartheid era to know anything of about apartheid. Don't read about apartheid in books and claim to know apartheid.

Superb interview, but the host needs to stop referencing USA, probably the worst and most outdated example for this topic...but great interview 👍

I don't think Dali Mpofu's son knows what the hell he is talking about when it comes to race issues. He just speaks well.

Build a bridge and get over your past. Victim mentality will get you nowhere

Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi fought apartaid without war very brilliant 2 gentleman war in 2 country's 😢

Apartaid still exist with due respect to the Eff fighting with Indian's gor land in KZN forcefully, unfair inappropriate bad influence to threats of removal of thier sovereignty during the struggle with Nelson Mandela the Indian's brought forcefully by the British colonial also the Duch involved in , inhumanity unfair unconstitutional to the slavery to work on the sugar cane field a very huge field surrounding areas with sugar cane imports dome list thier lives....😢

44:10 This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about... America has done really well with lobbying?? Have you heard of the gun lobby? The israeli lobby? Military industrial complex? Big pharma?

Dr Sizwe👏...my view of you as per your SABC programme, changes from today. Your dad's public profile did not help it nor your last name, Mpofu-Walsh. Not that I have any problem with the English. My favourite Bible Version is the KingJamesVersion, the hallmark of English heritage, is the anchor or base of our Christian civilization. As a Pastor I promote this version. Christ Himself being the highest form of civilization humanity can ever experience. True Freedom. Listening to your short book (metastisized apartheid)review just now, with Mpho Dagada is incisive and ideas you both espoused are really up there. Solutions to our problem in South Africa lie therein. You are a true #tintswalos which Pres Cyril spoke about. And it's the tintswalos that can change our country. Tintswalo though in Xitsonga, meaning #Mercy can and does apply to all races. Pappas like both of you are tintswalos example. First acknowledge then accept your own identity. You have to accept Mandela/deKlerk/Ramaphosa/RoelfMeyer etc, just like you honour JohanRupert/Elon musk/PatriceMotsepe. Robust engagement like EFF, now MK and PA can good wheels to move this democracy train. However the #Script. Mpho quoted a Scripture, you must underline your craft with a Script. Remember sangomas have no international recognition because they have no script. Hence, the question 'whichCraft is this' so you must delineate your craft with a script, lest you be labeled a witch.

Sizwe again talking nonsense by suggesting that governance hasn’t gotten worse since coalitions. Let’s look at Gauteng alone. The water crisis alone is evidence of this. Look at the Auditor General reports on municipalities such as Ekhuruleni that had achieved clean audits multiple years in a row and no longer do so. Same goes for Tshwane. We don’t have to believe each other on any of this. Just read the Auditor General’s report both before and after coalitions and check the facts. We can’t be using platforms to spread misinformation like this.

American proxy🙂.

Just saw an interview of this Siswe Mpofo he is to full Hom himself Gayton McKenzie exposed his lack of knowledge he is totally detached from reality!

Library📚📖 are for free good people READ BOOKS. 👉I love Mpho❤but you are being mislead on this one🤞People will laugh at him, if he was to explain what is a evolution and how many years is 1 evolution🤞4:02 😔I feel bad for people who think we in 4th industrial evolution😂

It is a call for paradigm shift indeed, to redefine and create a whole new reality where the basic good and human condition is a class standard. 🫡•| #2024_our_1994•