TBH, most women already practice polygamy but are in denial calling their sister wife terms such as side piece, jump off, baby mama, hoe, home wrecker...Everybody move in one house to cut expenses, Raise those kids together and call it a day...since y'all doing it anyway. 🤷🏿♀️
I hate when proponents of polygamy use this argument. There are many of us who are against polygamy who would not accept infidelity from their spouses. Such a weak argument, your guy is gonna cheat anyway so you might as well let him marry a second wife? 🙄 So stupid.
It depends on how you look at it. If your family is materialistic and worldly then of course a average man can't afford that. That's what wrong with family's now. Materialism!
+vohnholley I was thinking more along the lines of needs. I don't think the women in that type of marriage should work outside the home. But it's not that big of a deal because that doesn't effect me.
I personally believe it should be a choice whether to work or not to work. Unfortunately greed it the way of life here in the states.We need to be reprogrammed. Polygamy isnt for everyone but for many, it would behoove us to keep an open mind.
Well women are also liberated financially, so they can work and contribute to overall economic wealth, especially if they don't have children. Also, as vohnholley mentioned if materialism is an issue, then very few top tier men in *society* can even sustain polygynous relationship. Materialism is bad for everyone in general and contributes to corporate green and destruction of a lot of things anyway.
what are you talking about? There is no way to accept a man sleeping with other women and then coming back to me. I won't accept that and that's because it's disrespectful and it shows a lack of self control. Most of theses men in support of polygamy cant even handle their woman looking at another guy and they can't handle being faithful to one woman but think they can handle multiple ones? I'm not cool with sharing my body with everybody. Just cuz it's happening doesn't make it acceptable. You already see how much dysfunction it causes.
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DUMBASS SAID. Polgamy is a consensual type of relationship that multiple people agree on and you just compared it to hoe ass niggas who can't keep their dicks out of other women and who hide and lie their deeds. That's how I know yall not going to be responsible enough to engage in polygamy. If any woman has an ounce of sense, she would stay away.
Miss Piggy no that's not even close to the same thing lol. Baby daddy is a title that isn't respectable at all and you don't get wife benefits being just a baby mama
@@sparkman1314able there are actually no similarities at all. "Baby mama" is a title that comes along with no privileges and very little respect. A baby mama in no way can be compared to a wife. I say this having a child by a man that I am no longer with so I am technically a baby mama. I don't, haven't and wouldn't sleep my my baby daddy ever again. He's with another woman but the two of us aren't "sharing" a man. He is alllllll hers lol. I'm also in a relationship and those men aren't sharing me because I know which one I belong to. He also has a baby mama that he has had no relationship ties to in years so again there is no sharing. So unless the man is still in relationships with both baby mamas and they are both aware and accepting of it and both reap benefits from him then there is no comparison at all.
Life is NOT fair, let's get that out the way. Now here's some rules that will change our community for the better! 1. No kids before age 26 PERIOD. 2. No kids before being married successfully for 3 years, and having BOTH parents sign an understanding that they BOTH want to have a child and have a written up plan of how they plan to provide and care for said child. 3. Hold children to an academic standard of A-B honor roll! Blacks do not put the proper value on education which is the key to success. 4. Live well BELOW your means! No designer foolishness and fake hair and nonsense. 5. No killing black people. 6. Actually be a parent when you have children and protect their innocence and keep them from growing up so fast 7. Vote FOR black issues and support BLACK interests 8. Support Black owned businesses Follow these rules and see if their isn't a change for the BETTER
@@BittyCryp It has to be, otherwise you won't get any progress, and a lot of what he said is backed by data and sound logic. Fact of the matter is, you cant just allow anyone to do whatever they want to do and expect a certain result.
Im a straight black man who does not promote polygamy. I dont see many black men supporting and raising one family faithfully, so bringing another woman in doesn't seem right.
Thank you, I watched a docu of a family that practices it, and the first wife said that once men who are considering it realize the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it, the decide against it. I was with somebody that tried to force that on me & ultimately decided to kick me AND his 2 children out & said he’ll just make some more babies 🤦🏾♀️ lol.... exactly why this won’t ever work
@@justxkendra OMG THE SAME EXACT THING JUST HAPPENED TO ME!!!! It happens ALOT in the Hebrew Israelite Community!! I was with my twins father for a year put through SO MUCH hell!!! He put us out to be with another woman who supports polygyny & him financially!!! I am BEYOND piss because he told me (Go ahead put me on child support I can just make more babies)
@@justxkendra that's the thing I'm all for my people, I'm all for Israel but will that make against TMH if I were to follow through? Because I need help I didn't make these boys by myself & their father who I considered my husband is forcing me to make decisions I don't want to make.... I need help $15 here & there will not help me & these camps have a way of making you feel guilty for doing what needs to be done & standing up for your self not all camps but aloot of them do especially when it comes to the woman they treat them like trash!! & It's not right, I see alot of men go into polygyny not to build a nation in the correct order as it should be, but for their own selfish reasons!! For their benefit alot these camps use these women not for the will of TMH but for their own selfish purpose....
This conversation between these two went very well. The woman was not only listening and responding, but she took the time to think and retort without using emotion and they both were able to have an intellectual and thought provoking dialogue. Much respect to Dr. Johnson, and the sister.
The way y’all expect literal human beings to never use emotion is wild to me. We are not robots. Men like you are so weird. The way y’all talk about women shows how dick obsessed you are. You didn’t even use her name and you only talked about the way she responded. I’d expect someone with a pfp and name like yours to act like this tho. This is what no hugs do to a man.
@@corimoon3360 exactly! tired of these males thinking men don't use emotion. He thought he was saying something and giving a compliment. Very backhanded compliment.
It is very fine for a woman to seek to be financially independent. What is a great blessing for a woman too have a dependency upon her head, her leader, her husband as well.
That's in the old testament. Polygamy was allowed actually. But God forbiddened it because of the abuse of power males had. The focus wasn't on building a family and respecting women anymore it shifted to extreme lust and extreme want for pleasure. In the new testament it's forbidden.
@Daddy P i see you know the diff, between polygyny and polygamy, christianity cannot define nor explain true hebraic culture, which polygyny is found in and btw nowhere in the whole bible does the tmh forbid it as well , kudos to your deeper learning sir. most dont know the true meaning behind polygyny and polygamy they are not the same.
It’s perfectly fine to create the life that you want for yourself and not the one society wishes for you. If you want a monogamous relationship or marriage, cultivate that. If you want to have a relationship with a desirable man, go for that and continue to be a desirable woman during that process. I think the real shocker that people will see over the years is more Black women entering into monogamous marriages with desirable non-Black men if the dating pool of Black men becomes too small.
Polygamous marriages are more stable than monogamous marriages. Americans marry 3 or 4 times in their lifetimes but they think it's ok if they do that one at a time, which is much worse. Getting divorced and remarried multiple times is the norm and socially acceptable but it's not good especially for the children nor society in general.
Polygamy - I was once against it. It’s not for me - but I understand it’s just like any relationship - there’s still the partnership, trust, honesty and respect involved, resulting in happiness and love for the entire family. It all falls apart when theirs secrecies and lies resulting in betrayal
RedIgauna Unfortunately after all was set and done those women did no good for the men and the men ended up regretting marrying so many women. Especially Solomon. He found out that the women were leading him astray from worshiping God.
@@God.sDaughter false David had no regret, and nor did Solomon. The God of the bible was angry with Solomon because he partook in the rituals and ceremonies forv the gods of his foreign wives. Solomon was the most wise BECAUSE of the knowledge attained from exposure to so many women and cultures. But the God of the Bible is a jealous God
Which is why polygamy would work. The men that CAN'T support themselves are put to the side, and the men that can support more than one woman will have no issue doing so. Woman aren't obligated to get into a relationship with men that can't support themselves.
@@absmith5188 THE MOST STUPID SHIT IVE EVER HEARD! IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY?? "YOULL BE CHEATED ON.." SIMPLE MINDED TO FORCE WOMEN TO SHARE NO GOOD, CANT PROVIDE, SASSY, EGOTISTICAL, LOW VIBRATIONAL, POOKIE MEN!
A man in a polygamous relationship doesn't need to be able to provide for all the wives. The wives can work too. All of them can work as a team to provide for the whole family.
The concept of romance practised by many blacks currently is European...eg..do you know on the weekends African men would spend time with other men i.e their brothers,cousins mostly and women the same but now its a must you be with your girl on the weekend and everyday other day your together .....a man will not be in a place of women if he is married but a place of men...adultery highly reduced....
Polygamy is ok but Polyandry is not ...Polyandry means marital Brothel system. If one woman mates with more than a man then she becomes gents' urinal. Because men ejaculated semen and urine drops. Thats why polygamy is acceptable but polyandry is perceived as dirty thing. Because of difference in working way of sex organs in which one discharges or pours fluid and the other one receives , gathers and ""absorbs"" that fluid , normally female virginity is given importance in real mankind. For "animals" there is no importance of female virginity. If men uses genital in public toilet and accidentally penis touches the pot , it makes very uncomfortable unless shower is taken. But it's surprising how come many men accepts and dips their dick into that vegina which has been earlier urinated by other man.
Here my parents were each other's first everything, stayed married monogamously 50 years until their deaths, and instilled this in us. I guess that's why I am loner.
Jeez, ppl are so insecure and want.others to act like them. Also, tell me, except for lust, why on earth would anyone have more than 1 wife/ husband at a time?? More kids that you are not even gonna be around enough (no, money is comfort but doesn't raise kids)
I know a black man who had four “wives” within the span of twenty years. They all lived together. He eventually left all of them for a much younger woman- with whom he later had a child. He’s still married to this younger woman and her alone.😑
I’m just glad a few people in the comment section have mentioned that polygamy is NOT for everyone. As an individual, I personally do not agree with it and I’m not sure if on a global scale that it has had a major impact on African-Americans as a collective. In the words of lauryn hill “it could all be so simple...but you’d rather make it hard”.
I don't care how much of a draught or men shortage there becomes, I will be alright by myself if it came to this. There is nothing wrong with being ok being by yourself.
I do not believe in polygamy relationships at all because my faith says it’s not right, but from a realistic stand point for the men that believe in polygamy, most of your actions don’t even equal up to you attaining the responsibility of having a polygamist relationship. You’re not faithful to a simple phone plan, how can you be faithful to two women... some of you men aren’t in your children lives and neglect the very one woman that loves you for you, but you want to add on one more woman to the equation... I call bull crap. Men, let’s be faithful to one woman and one woman only, we can not build up our community if our homes are broken, have a relationship with whatever religion god or belief higher than yourself and nature, have moral about yourself AS A MAN, stay home with your woman and treat her right love your kids and work hard to provide knowledge, wisdom, and assets for your next generation. Once we tackle our home problems, then and only then will we build up our communities. Kick this polygamy bs to the curb
You don't want it. Polygamy keeps more resources and care giving in the family. It protects the children in the family. Little need for daycare. It provides for communal care and companionship as we age in this decentralized transit society.
Brother Umar too smart his reply on polygamy shut her down but in a good way. Great dialogue with tremendous respect for one another. She had great points as well. When you take on multiple wives it means that you accept responsibility. Family continuity is the only thing that matters. Polygamy has been practiced by black people since the beginning of time.
Umar is a clown he's not a therapist first off !!! All he's doing is massaging a sort of grooming of his goals his real agenda into the Mass 's ....he's a loser just ask his abandoned daughters
The tragic part is we don’t realize it and applaud anything that begins show or give inclusion to us, which is even more delusional. For example as a young West Indian descent girl I remember telling my parents here, in America, we have a black ( Vanessa Williams) Miss America. My grandmother said to me what does that “ mean” to you? We,West Indians have always had black women win😏❤️👏🏾 Revelation moment ✅ I understood what she was trying to teach me constantly if I would listen Peace
It not about sharing your man it about loving your sisters and helping each other raise the kid , to help Reduced load and the stress of being a single mother trying to make sure everything straight by yourself
@@aaronjohnson7619 they don't want to accept it, but women already rely on other women to help, they call them babysitters instead of just "women". Men with means attract multiple women who agree that they like the same man. Those situations look identical to polygyny.
I don't see what the issue is with a man having one wife.. that's extremely selfish to want a woman to share something that's really not meant to share...
Says who? Who says it’s not meant to share? Cuz tbh monogamy fails quite often. Not saying everyone should be polygamous but it ain’t this horrible thing people make it out to be. Hell if I had two girlfriends and babies by both of them no one would say anything at all 😂
do people realize that polygamy is not about AFFORDING women and wives? it's about men who have attained or been born in wealth. the practice polygamy as a way of keeping the wealth inside of the family and want their bloodline to grow to a size that will manage all they have. because the amount of wealth that one man has cannot be managed just by one child. this isn't about just having a shit load of wives. it's inheritance, upper class families practice this.
Rain And Petalsss 3 or more incomes should help grow familial wealth. Many people aren’t ready to deal with the social responsibility that comes with that
As a single male expecting a six figure income upon graduation, I always thought polygamy was wrong because I couldn’t imagine my sister going through that, so why on earth would I put another women through that...I definitely need to reflect with God on this one because I’m hearing more logical arguments on the pro side, and more emotional arguments on the anti side... so I’m not sure if I’m pro, but quite frankly the media has corrupted our minds and I do think people should be more open to having these serious conversations instead of emotionally blowing it off...
Don’t do it, don’t devalue your self or a female. Changing the system is what needs to happen. Fighting to get rid of privately owned prisons is what we need to do having more educational resources for young black males is important promoting male mentorship programs is important. Sharing a meal is gross. Not to mention the same thing will happen you have two females producing children by one male they will always be more women than men.
Id like to touch on “private prisons” Research how many of those prisoners are black men. Then research how many of them come from a single parent more particularly single mother household.
The reality is once a woman has a child, which is nearly inevitable considering biology, she is IMMEDIATELY OUT of the labor force. (Unless you want your child being raised by some outside source after the 6 weeks passes in which she has maternity leave.) So anyway, she leaves the labor force because she has to take care of her offspring. This alone shows that a man who wants multiple wives needs to be able to care for his multiple lives. And not in the projects. Why is it so hard for people to believe? I, like many black women, have a master's degree and plenty of skill sets, but if I reproduce then my first and most important skill will be daily rearing of the next generation along with my husband. I won't be going out to work for some white man. And if I do entrepreneurship, it will come secondary to raising our children and taking care of our home. So for those who think they're going to have a harem in which a whole bunch of women work and bring in the majority of income while the man sits around and keeps on having sex? Doesn't make any sense. And women who fall for that are simply thirsty and need to get their hormones in check. Men would never tolerate that from women if the tables were turned, so women should not tolerate that from men.
Sis in Transition I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated. The man is made to provide and protect his family and his home REGARDLESS, so in polygyny, that role would certainly not change. If anything, it would increase his responsibility.
Speak for you. There is no man as wonderful as the black man. Strength, loving, passion, logic. I have a helluva black husband. Strong but gentle. A leader with patience. And I know that the black man I have is so rare. And if there is a black woman that could benefit in our relationship, I am open.
Definitely SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. That's EXACTLY! What they wanted you to do hints why black men are even put in such a set up for failure system to begin with anyway. But, in the end the wypipo time is over... it is TOO LATE. 🌍🧘🏾♀️👑✊🏾
In zimbabwe when a man is marrying a woman and goes to the court to sign the marriage certificate, he is given a choice between two types of marriages. They ask if he would want to marry more women later or is going to only marry one wife for life. If he opts for polygamy he gets a certificate which allows him to come back and add more wives therefore allowing his wives to all be legally married to him and in the event of the husbands death they are all entitled to an equal share of the inheritance
Polygamy is just a way of excusing a man’s inability to have one woman the way it should be. As far as sister wives go, get some damn friends for God’s sake.
Polygamy is a business. If one wife is home caring, the other is out working w the man. It's about the kids, and it's about the unit, not the individual
"Is this what we've come too??? Embracing a community of people who chose to live life in a adulterous type manner. I don't remember my grandparents or their parents, demeaning themselves to this magnitude in order to find a point of resolve. The outcry for what is needed and what is necessary, has already been addressed by Dr. Umar in this very episode. Me-ISM!!! ....individualist ideas individualist behavior.. Individualist thinking and rationalization; are all recipes for barriers that forgo forward progress. Polygamy is an excuse for men to do what we've always done throughout history, "indulge in ourselves" God gives man and woman free will. "What you chose to do with it is ON YOU!!!
Duane Bishop I think the men who agree with Umar, are ones who have no intentions on getting married anytime soon. They either don't value marriage or don't value themselves enough to not expose themselves to stds, out of wedlock children and a lack of self respect. It takes a self respecting, humble and mature man to write the comment that you did. Bravo
There was polygyny in the bible if you're going to take the ignorant religious route. and 85% of societies were polygynous prior to widespread monogamy. It's a more 'natural' and beneficial state for man(singular) and women(plural).
@@rainandpetalsss6244 The bible never stands _against_ it implicitly or explicitly, and you're religion aside, it's biologically the most _natural_ state of man and women. I care not for your religion, this is the real world, not a 'fairytale' book.
Yup, all I get from this is "men already cheat anyway, we might as well accept it and make it okay." "Let the men cheat in peace!" It's all bullshit. Hold these men accountable. Don't reward their behavior because we are DESPERATE!
This was very interesting. I agree black women do need to love each other and show more respect for each but I'm selfish, and no way would I share my husband with another woman. I don't think polygamy is the answer to it not being enough black men for women. The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that we as a community need more unity, better role models and a better educational system.
--- because that somehow creates more men??? There's a shortage period. So unless you want the women left out to become lesbian or nuns, good luck. P.S. You're the ones with the problem. Selfish! Destroy the whole for preservation of self!
+Gr8nessnMe070 If we had more leaders, better education, better opportunities and less people out for themselves maybe these young men would learn how to be men. Maybe alot of them wouldn't spend the majority of their youth and adult life in jail. There isn't a shortage at all, they aren't available. I don't have a problem at all, I'm not losing any sleep worrying about a women turning to women because they cant share my husband with me.
Polygamy is the definition of unity and a better education system. And better role models is a given when dealing with the maturity that it truly requires to be polygamous.
So not to be disrespectful. It's a question that makes more sense to me. So, the recommendation is for women to live together, and share in the care of the children, and the upkeep of the home, and we have to "work on our sisterhood." Then why share a man? Why not build a community of women, and from time to time, if the urge hits... engage with men for procreation or pleasure. Why would it make sense for a woman to be monogamous to a man? When men tell the world (quite often) that they clearly are not satisfied with being with one women. I think maybe we should scrap "marriage" all together. Because it's definitely not about holding someone sacred. It's not about pledging your love to one person. I say, let men can come and go, as they always have and we maintain our community and be responsible for ourselves? Personally, whenever I needed help, women have been way more resourceful for me. Not saying a man has never helped but the consistency and delivery is more reliable from women. In my opinion, I would rather roommate with my besties, and share goals, rather than take on cohabitation with a man. If someone can't offer the bare minimum of loyalty, why subject yourself to a lifestyle of being with someone and whatever woman/women he scraps up. Emotional devotion means a lot to me and it doesn't seem like it's a big ask. Especially, when sharing bodily fluids, living spaces, finances and feelings.
First, as a black people we need to love, empower, and accept ourselves. Once you do that, everything else aligns. Trying to out number white people with tradition is counterproductive. We need to learn to work through our traumas and stick together as a people.
First and foremost i think it needs to be understood that polygamy is about the village; the community. Polgamy is more or less about a private affair, its about the whole. At the end of the day a man is going to do his best to take of his family whether if he has one wife or multiple. So i don't understand why people keep saying "its up to the man to be able to afford having several wives". As if a woman is a product that needs to be reup. The whole point of polgamy is an all hands on deck approach; everyone brings the resources to the table for the betterment of everyone. Too many people are interpreting polgamy from an individualistic standpoint. Like i said before a man is going take care what needs be done regardless but please understand the words in which we use. Does a man really need to be able afford multiple wives or should they be building together. Affordability is based on perspective and not on building together. Some people are higher maintenance then others, which proves my point affordability is not based on building. Building is everyone put their talents, skills and resources to the table. From their you have common ground which is the setting stones for empire or whichever place you aim to reach
Strategies that work, work, regardless of where they came from. Stop thinking you can build your ideal with a dollar and a dream, hands need to get dirty, always.
I admire Dr Umar for putting his ideas forth. Everyone has a choice and he is just bringing an idea forth to look at solutions and he is brave enough to do just that.
I agree that with him on the need for more structure. But this can be dangerous if your structure is being designed by an immoral, jealous, selfish, money hungry group of people.
Yall need to do deep research about polygamy before jumping the guns. Practically its a disaster and failing in Africa. (I have never heard that economics is the reason for polygamy in Africa, its more about prestige for a man to have more wives and children and gratifying sexual desires. Please don't be decieved. )
Please tell them. In Nigeria it's just to boast that you have 2 or more wives. A display if wealth. And the Gold digger second etc wives. Looking for a male child. Polygammy is BS.
It's not about we don't have enough men it's more about we don't have enough responsible men it's about we don't have alot of men that's loving caring faithful don't get me wrong if a man chooses to be in a polygamy relationship and it works that's great but we shouldn't have to share 1 man in order to be with a man I don't think thats the solution to the problem
There are plenty of responsible men you all just don't want them. Responsible men are not going to be the court jesters that most women love so much therefore they label them as "boring." A lot of women are immature and only look at how much fun and exciting a guy is and will choose solely based on that. Does he have family values? Is he responsible? Does he have goals? Does he have a plan for the future? Is he reliable? Does he have integrity? These questions are never asked because as long as he's fun, dresses nice, likes to go out, has a decent car, among other superficial nonsense that will be enough for most women to have children with him. It's just when things don't work out for them because of their juvenile selection process then women want to point the finger at the male gender. The problem is YOU and YOUR CHOICES.
@@chocolatenikki you may be a deadbeat and you may know it. Speak for yourself you don't know me to make that accusation. Godlyinspirations41 is my and my wife old channel where we talk about God. Please don't accuse us all my father was a deadbeat
@@kuunami No point in arguing with women, it's never their fault. Problem is allowing women's to freely choose that's the problem, and they _naturally_ choose poorly and exploit a system that supports the exploitation of men. Don't worry though, the bubble always bursts, it's only a matter of time.
I don't believe in signing contracts for love that's clearly the economical aspect and much less be polygamous, it's seems totally non spiritual with a more carnal lower self focus, I would then prefer to just have an intellectual exchange with a man and be celibate then due to having to deal with the subtle bodies of more than one person which could be psychologically overwhelming. It's not for me.
I would assume it’s because he felt as though this interview was beneath him. Back then, Umar was popping; he was doing a lot of seminars and speaking engagements. I’m curious as to where this interview took place and how she was able to interview him.
Amenah King I agree. I’m glad he took the time to share with us as well. Back then I really liked Dr. Umar. A friend (she was a stan) and I drove to Raleigh to go see him not knowing until 3 weeks ago that he had been in my hometown. Well I’m assuming this interview took place in my hometown because I know the interviewer and she now, or at least last I knew, lives in my hometown.
I pray brotha Umar overcomes the obstacles & accomplish the goal of FDMG academy , he is a smart , knowledgeable & well informed scholar .. it is evident 👏🏾👏🏾
@Kero Kero Bento Box learn the definitions first then speak on them … ~~|| all those verses tells us is to NOT covet another man’s wife …sexual relations with another’s wife is the immorality & sin ….& women should not be with more than one man .. .. ||
@Kero Kero Bento Box go now & find the word for ‘ONE’ & then the word for ‘FIRST’ in Hebraic .. … ask yourself why ‘ONE’ is used when it should be ‘FIRST’ in the translated scripture verses !!
If I was in a polygamist marriage I would let that fool take care of me, pay my car note and while he with the other wife I would be with my man on the side it's no way men today can control a household with multiple wives. Lol I would take full advantage of being taken care of and in my free time I would run wild behind his back.
It shouldntbe forced on anyone this not slavery 😂😂💯🤦 its 2018 wake up ppl if u black man want multiple wifes find women that are ok with it problem solved and those woman who dont want to dont have to yall making it more serious than it needs to be honestly 💯
Polygamy could very well be a very viable solution accompanied with other community, social, and economic efforts made on the part of black people collectively in America. As with everything, black women who are against the sheer thought of this subject are so because this is deep emotional uncharted territory for us and this man is right, this is because black women are in sheer competition with one another for the attentions and affections of their male counterparts, the black man.
+sasha fierce Polygamy is when a man OR woman has more than one s/o. Polygyny is when a man has more than one s/o and polyandry is when a woman has more than one s/o. In American majority of Black men can't financially take care of multiples wives and children.
I'm in no competition for male attention. That is beneath me. I'm in search of a man who wants to be with me as much as I want to be with him. I wouldn't want it any other way.
It all sounds like a good idea until you bring in that 3rd or 4th person and get completely left behind. LOL Happened to me and I laugh at it now but boy ol boy the hurt. Anyone constantly looking outside of self for love is lacking something deeply within & I don't wish to be involved. Also, not looking to play a nanny to anyone's children or share my resources. If you need to pool resources you should rethink creating a family. Different stroke for different folks but never again. It all boils down to someone's selfish reasons of needing some type of help.
Would not be even marginally beneficial for the men reproductively as the female reproductive system can only accommodate a single birth slightly under a year. Polyandry was more of an economic decision among families in a lot of historical accounts, also infanticide is an issue. You would also have to question the genetics of the men you would have. Most men competed for reproduction, as was the natural state, so it would be very unlikely you get top tier genetics from alpha males in a polyandrous relationship, unless the sex ratio is *extremely* skewed, and alpha males weren't able to achieve other women, or go outside the local availability (like traveling the world, or moving to different location, etc)
1400 years ago God gave you all the solutions to all of your social and individual problems but unfortunately, people choose to reject it people they say " i cannot sustain multiple wives but they are okay with sleeping with multiple women and get them pregnant and leave them not knowing who the father of that child Ask yourself this question How does a Muslim man in Afria in the desert is able to take care of 4 wives and have more than 20 kids and all of them grow to be engineers and doctors? With zero divorce My grandparent has 2 and one of them is my dad who is a teacher today and he lived in a village The one who said " get marry to 4" is the one who say " I will provide for you like i provide for the birds" Allah said " I will provide for you" and that's why people forgot about him and his guidance and today we are in this mess Look at prostitution statistics in America and Europe Look at pornography statistics Look at drugs abuse look at the divorce rate in America look at sexually transmitted diseases Look at debt( today the majority of American citizens are swimming in debt whether its a credit cards, student loans or mortgages) Look at alchool abuse!, 2-3 million die each year from alchool Look at gambling ( people are homeless today because of gambling) and people are in prison because of it should I continue Today people forgot about Allah's guidance Allah left them in this chaos but he also said " Follow my guidance and you will return back to your normal life" But people continue to refuse that message
Until we finish serving our punishment time for the errors of our ancestors, the curses will not be lifted off our heads-Deuteronomy 28:15-68, Hosea 5:15. Until our blindness and deafness is healed and removed by our God, this calamity on our people will not stop -Isaiah 35:18-25, Isaiah 43:8. Until we return to seeking Yahuwah our God and not the gods of other nations, we will continue to be put lower as a people -Deuteronomy 32:29-33. Let him with understanding learn and teach our people the only solution to our problems - Hosea 6:1-2.
I agree with the brotha and I have been looking for a sister who is open to polygamy. I am very successful and I can support two women and be faithful.
Everyone doesn't deserve to engage with you in the eyes. That's personal and intimate, also he's powerful he may not want to stare at her. Meaning his truth, could be too harsh and come off to strong. Nobody truly wants to feel chastised, especially someone who's still lost or weak.
What a shock! A man trying to sell a women on the idea of accepting polygamy. This idea of polygamy is nothing more then a way for men to have a group of sex toys for his pleasure. Miss Natural, your voice and facial expressions, tipped how you feel about polygamy. Any one who watched this interview can tell you are against polygamy and that is a good thing. I always have to laugh when I watch a video where a black man is trying to explain to the black women how she should live her life. The majority of black women are smart enough and strong enough that they don't need to be told how to live their lives. Miss Natural, you spoke of how the difference in income and knowledge between black women, would cause friction in a plural black marriage. I think what you really wanted to say was, the fact is that percentage wise, African American women have a much higher education and income then African American men. Why would 2 or 3 women want to be the bread winner for one man? Let's be real here. There is no way that 3 black women are going to live under the same roof and share a man. Aint happening.
+Stephanie Johnson Would you feel happy living under the same roof with, say 2 more women and you have to wait your turn to share his bed? Do you honestly believe a man could love all of his wives equally? It is only natural to want to be loved unconditionally. In polygamy sex is the only thing shared, not love. If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you.
Larry jones Larry the common sense point is that most people in the black community are already practicing polygamy, by the very fact many black men have several baby mommas, I think the point that is being made is that it would make more sense, economically if they just all lived together. I don't see how you got to the point of "If sex is all you want, then polygamy is for you." a better point would have been the money point
Stephanie Johnson Stephanie, you are right. I never should have went right to the sex subject. Let's look at the economic part of polygamy you speak of. Starting in 2014, female black women became the highest educated group of all people, when it came to a college education. The most educated people tend to earn the higher wages over lower educated people. Now what happens if 1 college educated black women falls in love with a black man who makes much less money then her and the get married. She then becomes the bread winner and that's cool too, it's 2015 not 1915. Now let's say the man falls in love with a highly uneducated women who is unemployed. He want's to marry her because he fell in love with her but don't worry, he says he still loves the other women. Put yourself in the college women's shoes. Should she tell the man that it is alright to marry her because it is their duty to keep the black race from disappearing. Come payday, the educated women kicks in $400, the man $200 and the uneducated women only has $20 to give. Tell me there won't be friction. The black community doesn't practice true polygamy. It nothing more then bed hoping. The part I just can't understand about all this polygamy stuff is what is the true purpose of it all. If a black man can have 2 or more wives, is it ok for a black women to live under the same roof with 2 or more men? The whole story about why black polygamy is needed, to me is absurd. There are way to many pitfalls to it. Just my opinion.
I'm only thinking in the case of the men who already have like 5 baby mommas (and their all maybe on welfare) and yes you could say it's bed hopping but some women don't have an issue with it, and if they don't have an issue with it who am I to judge, there are some men and women who don't feel guilty about having multiple partners and if it works for them, who am I to judge. And I'm not sure who in 1915 in the US had multiple partners :/. Gotta go way further back then that.
Stephanie Johnson I want to let you know that I am an atheist and I don't base any of my beliefs on any religious teachings. I am telling you that so you understand that I agree with you that no one should judge anyone else . Many religious people are very judgmental. I am all about the here and now because I believe there is no after life. As a atheist, I believe that polygamy hurts me in the pocket book. Let me explain. You talked about there could be some brother with 5 baby mommas and all of the women are on welfare. Well he isn't going to be able to afford to support 5 wives and all the children. That leaves me and millions like me, paying taxes to support him and his family. I wouldn't judge anyone on having 5 wives and all the children but don't try and get up in my wallet to support the whole mess. You see, religious people will worry about their souls going to hell. I am concerned about my money being taken from me.
Polygamy in the community would be a great fix. Especially if everyone plays their part for the betterment of the family and community. It would also make men and women accountable for their actions. Less babies out of wedlock. Like he said we are already living polygamous lives when everyone is sleeping with everyone anyway. Children will know their fathers. Taking away polygamy from us was the beginning of destroying the black family and putting us against one another. Granted it’s not for everybody but those who can should.
I say Polyamory. Women should have the same option to maintain multiple relationships if she so chooses. Polygamy carries a dark cloud of jealousy among the women involved. Which unfortunately leads to the mistreatment and abuse of children within that community. Polygamy also sets a terrible example for girls...that they should be all about the man..making sure he is kept and his needs are more important than hers... As the Mothers of the earth this is furthest from the truth. We matter.
As long as all parties understand,disclose and agree. Cheating is not pologamy it is deception because it does not include disclosure of deeds and agreement because it is done without the partners knowledge.
POLYGYNY 1. Increased political viability due to increased numbers. 2. Increased disposable income, due to pooling of resources, that could be used to invest and, therefore, solidify economic infrastructure. 3. Best balance between sexual/social/societal chaos (polyamory/promiscuity) and sexual/social/societal order (monogamy). It addresses man's instinct to copulate and procreate with many women, for the purpose of diversifying his genetic legacy to increase the chances of genetic survival; and women's monogamous instinct to select the most resourceful, stable, and attractive (genetically fit) mate possible, who's offspring she must sacrifice for and invest time and energy in until maturity. 4. Mirrors Nature- objects that are considered masculine, such as the Sun, are often surrounded by objects that are considered feminine, such as the planets (Mother Earth) or moon (which govern the woman's menstrual cycle). "Can you afford it" is women's way of shutting down the possibility of polygyny, knowing the vast majority of black men's answer is going to be "no". The fact of the matter is black society only owns/controls 2.6% of the nation's wealth, we must strategize as to how we can make it work until the children mature and are able to make money, themselves. We also have to consider that we live in an environment where black women are favored, economically, above black men! We can make it work; but we must have the resolve to do so. *Anti-Polyandry 1. Women tend to be more monogamous because a.) biologically, they must choose the best mate because they are the ones who must invest the most time and energy into raising the child to maturity; b.) their neurochemical composition causes stronger emotional bonding during sex than men; c.) their bodies retain an imprint of males' sperm; d.) having one mate eliminates confusion as to who the child's father is; e.) women, generally, do not have sufficient income to support multiple husbands.
Coming from a 19 year old African, I see nothing wrong with a man marrying two or more wives, as long has all wives agree on the union and he is financially stable enough to live comfortable with them. Every woman has the right to choice whether she wants the be apart of the polygamous relationship or not. Treat your wives like queens with freedom and empower them (like them owning their own business and henceforth). Equality must reign between the man and his wives. That results in a happy life. When a monogamous marriage faults, nobody blames the institution of monogamy itself, but the people in the marriage. Polygamy is not the problem, we need more responsible men and women that are willingly and that equates to a happy union. Just saying that polygamy is wrong because a man is allowed and a woman isn't, doesn't make it a valid point. Just imagine women, having 10 different husbands, servicing them, cooking (or is that sexist?), eventually a pregnancy will come and nobody would know who the father is. Imagine getting a DNA test on ten different men every time the woman is pregnant. It brings much of confusion. Polygyny, however, can be much more organized and more natural. Just because a woman can't do what the man does, doesn't means its a way of oppressing or dehumanizing her. Lastly, a man with one wife or multiple wives are both justified, as long as there is 100 % HAPPINESS!! Show less
One woman with two men works well for some societies Tibetans in Nepal, parts of China and part of northern India, and other places. They consider themselves to be one family.
Polygamy legitimises plural relationships; i.e., all polygamy are plural relationships, but all plural relationships aren’t necessarily polygamy, “Dr Umar”! What you have in our community are affairs, cheating, unofficial, illegal and legitimate relationships; for them to become polygamous, they need to be the opposite.
i think a lot of people in the comments are confused. Having a side chick or other women while you're in a relationship is not the same thing as polygamy as practice in many different cultures around the world..... secondly why is it that when polygamy is mention no one ever mentions multiple husbands?
They mean *polygyny* , and because it's more prevalent today and historically speaking. It's also more practical than polyandry, which you're speaking of.
I believe it is technically a different term for it if I’m not mistaken. That is because most that takes the power structure and places all of the responsibility on the woman, she can delegate it out to the multiple men and they can work out. However most women are unwilling to do that because that puts her in place of the man and most women would never want to take on the responsibility of one man let alone multiple men. Even the women who are millionaires and billionaires will not take on that responsibility.
Kings and pharaohs always had more than one wife as an edition to their empire. Many people women in particular find this to be against their value because western society has programmed the belief that a women is to be on the pedestal of a single man. It is the phsyce which needs to change. Marriage in its self is a contractual agreement (signatures on paper) instilled upon us all by governmental power. Therefore the concept of marriage is that of a business union. The American system is not set up for the traditional way of life. Polygamy is about understand roots, position, respect, removal of ego, and embracing authentic love. It is not a way of life for most because many are not open to what lies beyond societal confines
Wow ! That's the most intelligent discussion that I've heard Bro. Umar Johnson have . Most of the time he get too excited and be repeating himself. But bro. Umar Johnson was so calm , professional , articulate and accurate in his assessment . Salute to Dr. Umar Johnson , and keep up the good works 👍👍👍
I know this is an interview and the cameras are placed in front of them but where is the eye contact from Dr.Umar, he looks completely uninterested and disconnected. This actually feels and looks awkward because he isn't engaging her at all.....Am I the only one who feels this way?
No. I was saying the same thing. Its great irony here, because the conversation is about coming together as a ppl but yet visually and energetically you can see the division here!
I am not saying everything has to be sexual, but they are sitting very close to each other. As a man, I know I’d get distracted if I were sitting next to a beautiful woman and looking at her straight in the eyes.
She wanted to do most of the talking and be heard for her views instead of listening. I think Dr. Umar already knew her position on the issues BEFORE the camera was on...so he kept his approach and tone at gently informing her while maintaining his views. Lastly, no disrespect to the sister but she said that she is married which is great but there is a high likelihood that her husband is involved with "supplemental" sex. She probably wants to consider herself as not being part of what Dr. Umar is talking about.
I would not participate in such an arrangement. I don’t see how they are beneficial. What would I gain? I also question the inability to connect with one person and bond as one. However, the important thing is for people to be upfront about what they want and expect out of relationships. If consenting adults feel that they are having their needs met in all regards, then they should act in accordance with what they can live with. Also, I don’t need an elder to protect my interest in a relationship. As a sovereign adult I can act on my behalf and advocate for myself. I would not trust another person to do that for me. In these situations it seems like women are victimized and controlled by others for the sake of community interest over their own.
Talk about sister hood and black men need to make some changes. Well what about brotherhood black men kill each other in this country so now we got sister widows just stick to one. One man and one woman. 2 flesh become 1 flesh. Can’t become 1 with 3, 4,5 and so fourth.
In Africa, there are two types of Polygamy, one that comes from a Patrilineal society and the other one that comes from a matrilineal society. In Matrilineal societies especially of the Bantu speaking people, polygamy was a necessity to protect the women during slavery because the women that did not have a husband was preyed upon by Arab slave traders. The second reason was if the wife is too old to bear children but would still want children to inherit her land, then she would ask the young sister to help bear the children. In America and Africa, we have reached a point were Polygamy is going to be necessary to keep the black family alive.
If you think about it. Yes “polygamy” is not an openly practiced institution (the concept of being with more than one woman). However in practice it is done within the community when you have black men sleeping with various women. Yet unfortunately NO woman is taken care of because there is nothing “binding” him responsibly to these women (and their offspring). At least in the institution of polygamy he would have to make a commitment to these relationships. Btw I’m not for or against it. I just find it interesting the example Dr. Johnson brought up with regards to it.
Wtf... are you dumb ? Our numbers are low because of white genocide why would that be our solution!!! They killed off many generations of black men. Also we would like to keep our blood black not make a class of mixed children to be tokens.
@@jessicakoulidiati9533 why would we mate with the people who got our numbers so low in the first place. At the height of our % we were 33% now 13% C'mon now wake up
