They say that “if you don’t like Drake’s music, you don’t get chicks?” Haha, who says that?! To us women, Drake is that guy who THINKS he’s attractive and cool just because he has money, but we see him as corny and dorky. And if you’re a dude that LOVES Drake, that’s such an ick, we think you’re a weirdo.
God, I didn't even comprehend how true this is until you said it... If it's a woman, it's like, whatever, you're probably a casual and just like his dance songs and are kinda immature or whatever -- no biggie (even though I probably don't want to be friends with you because we're probably incompatible as human beings). But the DUDES that say Drake is their favorite rapper, like.......... REEEEEEEEEALLY love Drake to an unhealthy degree and almost seem to be changing their entire lives to resemble him more. They also share his trait of talking about women like they're cuts of meat they're browsing in a local butcher shop. Instant turn-off!
When you start making art for other people, or you start making things you THINK people will like, like "ah, I should make a summer banger with that new drill sound" that's when you lose your identity, your sound, your drive. You have to always make art about shit you believe in, things you feel in your core. I can tell none of what he goes on about is shit that's real to him, which is funny because he said about Kendrick "I don't listen to guys I don't believe in"
@@venurian Nah, it's deeper than that. Drake is a mulatto who is half Black American and Half Jewish and was raised in Canada around mostly white people and Black people who are just as confused about their identities as he is. He is so used to code switching in real life that it bleeds into his music.
@@SmokeyBoat-wk1le I agree with that for sure, it's another thing I believe as well, I just wanted to expand and speak on it from an artist point of view, as it's something I see apply to not only Drake but is also happening to him. I'd hardly consider him a true one though, it's more of a means to an end rather than his thing, I don't truly know what his thing is other than colonizing and acting as someone he isn't.
@@officialconchYou mad, it suks to be OvHo's! But I give yall credit, yall going down with the Ship! Drake ask for all this, now he a victim. His first mistake, he severely underestimated his opponent. Idgaf about who has the most hits? Half of them he stole or had help. Kendrick can drop when he wants. Cause he owns his music😮Drake doesn't even own his name😮Drake has to drop 3 albums a year. So he is a Slave now, see how that works! Nobody wants to be Drake? Hell Drake dont want to be Drake, that's why he stealing lingo & swag. Bragging about sleeping with his opps women, wth! He has sneaked diss or snaked all the ppl who did colabs with him. He helped nobody except himself. His Creepy azz hanging out and texting little girls! And yall on your knees kiss azz. He is a fraud and a liar. Everything Kendrick said about Drake is True! If it wasn't why hasn't Drake sued for Slander or Defamation? Cause he can't, Kendrick wouldn't have said it if he didn't have receipts. He's king of Cease & Desist! Drake is being exposed, these things are not new, we all heard how weird he is! Kendrick told him dont tell no lies about me & I won't tell truths about you!😮 Drake thought he was untouchable😂 even JPrince ain't jumped in on this one like he did with Pusha T? You would've thought he learned his Lesson! And everyday ppl are telling their Drake encounters😂 pride comes before Destruction! And we're gonna continue to drag him😂 Aubrey the artist formally known as Drake😂😂😂💯 Wop Wop Wop Wop Wop
@@awhi3765nah, he's just a straight dude who hates women but uses them whether for money or sex who never grew out of being 17 His feminine behavior may look gay but it's actually his way of trying to appeal to women, he's soulless like that, he's gonna pander to whoever has money
Typical evolution of the “nice guy” persona. They can’t figure out what they’re doing wrong so they blame it on women cuz it’s easier than bettering themselves. Always ends that way
Real talk the biggest Drake fan I know is a Colombian guy that even slightly resembles him physically. He sees women as objects and even took the chance to have sex with minors who sneaked into the club. Every time he got laid it was like an achievement, always one night stands and ofc bumping him while driving. His whole personality was on clothing/appearance and was basically empty on his head. He was the quintessential Drake fan in my eyes. That’s how I see them
I was 10 when Pac passed. Tupac’s music was all I knew. Imagine being 10 when Drake came out or when he hit his peak… he’s all they know, but he is not your savior. And there’s music beyond Drake
It’s really crazy that there was ever even an argument art wise, people forget what an album is supposed to be, it’s not a mixtape it’s supposed to have a cohesive narrative and theme, drake will drop an hour and a half of music to get 4 hits and people are like, that’s a good album no that’s an album with a few good songs not the same shit.
I'm turning 19, and I grew up in a household that never played drake's music. I discovered drake's music for the first time 8 years ago and even back then, I thought it sucked because it didn't sound like hiphop to me, it sounded like pop😭
These tracks sound like pop to you? The ride 5am in Toronto 4 pm in Calabasas 6Pm In NY Do not disturb Lose You Weston road flows 9am in Dallas Tuscan leather Too much I can keep going
@@MrASAPAB I want to applaud you for taking initiative in wasting your time. Because I am not going to listen to these songs. Because *my* first impression of drake is that he was a pop artist *at the time*. When I found out that he was considered hiphop, it surprised *me*. I do not speak for other people and I don't hold the same opinions as when I was an 11 year old. If my OG comment wasn't clear enough, I only heard drake for the very first time when I was 11 in 2016. To add more context, I didn't have access to the Internet till I was 14 in 2019 because I was poor . That's 14 years of my life where I had no access to social media. Being poor and the only songs you hear about drake being about women he used to date and used to love and him kinda bragging about his money and his "lowest" being an actor will never be relatable to me. I don't connect to his music on a fundamental level. Thus *MY* good and *YOUR* good is not the same. Have a nice day further, drink your water and stay healthy.
Well we just found out Best I Ever Had Drake had a Ghostwriter too and that's considered one of his greatest if not, his greatest hits of all time. His pen needed assistance in the early days too.
Ghostwriter?? The whole phrase “baby do it real big bigger than you ever done it….i could spend whatever on it” was straight froma wayne mixtape song called “My” Nigga” the year before
I think your thesis that "Drake fell off because he wasn't using his pen anymore and was just copying other people" is interesting -- but consider this! Maybe Drake was NEVER really using his own pen at any time during his rap career? Apparently he had been ripping off artists extremely early on in his career, starting with The Weeknd, which makes me think he never had a creative bone in his body. We only caught on to how much of it was an act when he started copying the linguistic quirks of whatever region he was in. Drake was a child actor, so I truly believe that basically no one has seen his real self besides his mom and close family members (that includes his dad, even.) He's so used to wearing a mask that he does it reflexively now to protect himself and create distance between him and whoever he's getting close to. I could be thinking too much about this, but the idea seemed interesting to me, at least!
I can name about 5 maybe 6 drake songs and 4 are from the battle...he never fell off for me because he was never on...he's one of those super popular entertainers that I've never liked and just can't understand how they became as big as they are ie Taylor Swift...their music is just not it imo
He’s lightskin, he’s "harmless" to white America - so it makes him marketable, he takes from Black culture when it’s convenient for him and he’s extremely corny. So it allows dudes who are corny and Chad-like to act out and support a fellow corny pop star.
Both of them are ridding off brand names at this point. It’s crazy how both of them are so insanely greedy, and for what? They are the biggest in the industry because it’s background music, entry level
Yo I’m not tryna dickride bc fuck drake but fr you can’t understand this generation of music if you aren’t at least familiar with drakes work. His shit is nowhere near the best but I genuinely believe that you can’t understand this generation of rap if you don’t understand drakes music, what he is and thus how he affected culture. Good or bad, drake had a hand in where hip hop is now.
@@bobbytropo2314 I don’t think anyone can discredit what they’ve done (less so on Drake but let’s say he’s a talented script reader 👍) both of them to a degree have worked hard for what they’ve gotten. But especially with this newish contract both of them have, the greed has taken full force. Again no one can discredit the early stuff. I feel like we’ve grown against them, they stick to a formula that to their credit works. However that formula can only last so long, at this point for many is it really listening to what they put out? Or is it because they are the most streamed? For example Taylor Swift releasing so many versions of that new album (out of spite and to stay charting) and then you have Drake with so many albums being pumped out. It’s become a point where the art is lost on both of them and they need to take a break from music. I’d actually like them to experiment and try something new for them. I want them to grow to really enjoy the craft and less about the money they’ll make simply putting out an album
I have never listened to an entire album by Drake. His music is foreign to me. Like you said, the way he deals with women is strange to me. I tried to give his music a chance right before the Pusha T beef and when I found out about the Degrassi show and the black face thing, him having ghost writers was the nail in the coffin.
@@fredrickbrown3253 funny how many of these accounts are actually bots with ZERO activity on their RU-vid profile. It’s pathetic at this point Kendrick. I know you see this. Please stop botting Kendrick 🙏 please 🙏
What you’re saying is correct, but it DEFINITELY has something to do with Kendrick. Drake’s been falling off, but the way the music biz is, it’s easy to ignore because he’s still putting up numbers. It took Kendrick calling him out to make a lot of people realise he’s fallen off.
I'm 19 now and I never saw Drake for hip-hop or rap, I always saw him as a pop star and it confused me real bad when I rediscovered him as a rapper (a rapper that was stale for my ears)
Another problem with Drake or people like him is that no matter how famous and wealthy they are they don’t really inspire respect. This beef has shown us it’s important not to conflate/popularity, visibility with RESPECT. Kendrick managed to navigate this beef without gimmicks, IG memes or captions.
Aubrey fell off the second he started calling himself Drake, he's _always_ been the mid pop version of any rapper standing near him. Nothing recent has changed that fact imo
Drake is a playlist rapper, fishing for hits by jumping on sounds will impress only the casual HipHop fans but the rest of us don’t actually care for his crossover music and as a result with all those projects released it feels like he doesn’t have a lot of the real rap conceptual stuff… his subject matter also doesn’t seem to change which makes it difficult to grow with him because as you get older your perspective shifts from money, girls and trips to Turks and Ibiza.
I was 11 when my hommie played me "You goin make me have to catch a body like that" And to this day I wish I never heard that zesty wanna be gangsta ah song
Drake is a playlist rapper, fishing for hits by jumping on sounds will impress only the casual HipHop fans but the rest of us don’t actually care for his crossover music and as a result with all those projects released it feels like he doesn’t have a lot of the real rap conceptual stuff… his subject matter also doesn’t seem to change which makes it difficult to grow with him because as you get older your perspective shifts from money, girls and trips to Turks and Ibiza to real life vulnerability and getting to grips with the world around you and ghost writers cannot provide the context of a life they do not live. Where Drake has betrayed his fans the most was not growing with them in favour of staying relevant in strip clubs
I agree with damn near everything said here. I never felt the need to go through a chick phone. I just couldn’t relate to what he raps or sings about most of the time. I never understood how any Man could.
Drake ain’t been the same since IYRTITL. That was the last album I actually kinda rock with as a whole. Then the ghostwriter stuff came out and I was done. 2016 was his prime.
I’m 22 and I don’t know what hip hop looks without drake but I’ve listened to his whole discography and the fall off in quality is extremely evident. This all started with Hotline Bling on views in my opinion. The first time I felt like he abandoned himself for the money. Like over my dead body Drake is almost a different artist than the current one.
thanks for saying it bro. i constantly try to say drakes music hasnt been as dominant as it once was. even before this beef, drake has been getting outdone by alot of other mainstream artist he simply isnt as searched out for as he use to be. i think that is why he is so antic heavy nowadays, he has to retain this mass relevancy somehow, why not use controversy if it clearly works? i really think it was around clb for all the dogs era where its just been so blatant... videos on drake before the beef it was drake getting clowned or being memed literally everything he does he is either playing a role, acting clownish on the internet for clicks, or both. drake fans blame kendrick when the only person they should blame is the man they praise, he had it coming... no other way around it.
“The time I saw people most passionate about Drake is when he first came out”. “NWTS was when he started to change”. Two A1 takes. I was in high school and loved comeback season, so far gone, thank me later, take care. When NWTS dropped I distinctly remember thinking “drake is starting to act like a gangster and one day this is going to bite him in the ass”.
Thank me later was the only drake project I fully liked and it makes sense since that was probably his most authentic. Even with take care there are times were you can tell he was chasing a hit but his debut album almost like an autobiography. The hip hop media called him soft for it and as someone who constantly shows us his insecurities that pretty much changed his trajectory. Even with take care he started to take subtle jabs at women that didn't seem prevalent in his earlier works. What makes kanye ye is he can disregard what hip hop media thinks while not letting it affecting how he feels about "the culture ". Tough guy drake was inevitable, he may have admired 808s and heartbreak but he definitely couldn't handle dealing with the backlash that comes with being vulnerable especially in a genre such as hip hop.
@@Top5Troynah it's okay bro u can admit u like big money & ymcmb, they had one of the best line ups. No need to fake jus cause drake was part of that line up😂💀
@@DeeMulaahOn God! Drake releases songs to cater to a Pop audience, he's a Pop star with huge commercial Pop star numbers and he brags about how he is a Pop star and "went Pop" for his sales numbers. We as hip-hop fans simply believe him and know he's Pop
Im in the same position. Most current Drake fans dont remember Drake before his repackaging. How many of them have actuality heard his first two mixtapes? When Trey Songz and Nikelus F gave him features and cosigns for Replacement Girls. When he was rapping like Joe Budden. This was before Cash Money. When Drake was Canadian and authentic, his music was decent.His music shifted when rappers constantly dismissed him. That's when he went against Lil Waynes' advice. I wasn't heavy into his music, but the decline was evident. To his credit, he is meeting the contract expectations. But for those who know music; two albums a year is quantity over quality. No matter how you spin the narrative.
Take Care is the last album I actually could listen to whole. I find it weird listening to Drake. That I guilty have deleted his songs from my playlists
Drake made me stop listening to the radio. I couldn't take that constant sound. Always wondered what was the reason he was in heavy rotation like that.
As a former Drake Stan and a true fan since Degrassi, So Far Gone is honestly Drake at his most authentic. Next is Nothing Was The Same and I’ll say Take Care because I do think he still had some of his voice in the project even though the label was applying the pressure. After Views it slowly started to decline.
Start it from the bottom was something that Future used to say in the studio.. Drake heard it, thought it was a song and released it.. Tracing is not drawing..
@stellviahohenheim well pardon my 60 year old arse being so generic. Here's something not so generic. Peking Drake, egg fried rice, dip sauce, and a blarmy, made his whole career off the back of other rappers. The mofu's even trying to colonise the uk music scene now. The only reason Drakes relevant is because of the culture he was brought up in, run a huge chunk of the music business. Now take this none generic reply and stuff it where the sun don't shine. You sound like a FAN to me. Have the day you deserve. 😀
I’ve always said “Take Care” is my fave Drake album, the only album I like of his. But I don’t credit him with that album, I credit The Weekend. I haven’t really liked Drake since, but I like The Weekend.
Without even watching the video I agree. My friend was trying to convince me the other day after I told him I hopped off the Drake bus at IYRTITL. But hell he barely wrote that shit lol
You literally have said everything I've been feeling when it comes to Drake, with the exact same timeline. Objective and fair, and I'm glad that there's still people that dive past the surface level.
As a young guy all I listened to today was Purple Haze, supreme clientele and Black on both sides. Stuff was just from the soul back then before it was defined.🎉
I've never been a fan of double albums like Scorpion. It always feels like we can edit this down and he was just throwing stuff on there to get a hit. I enjoyed Kendrick album cause it basically the length as GKMC, but generally I'm not a fan. Sza's was cool too cause of how long we waited for her and we had already heard half the album when it came out.
You are so right. I also don’t think Drake loves or gets women. You said it exactly. The way he airs out and talks about women is gross. His latest albums are not gooood. He is trying to be someone else completely.
More Life definitely showed him he could not give a shit, I think Scorpion is definitely when his shit started *consistently* sucking. I’ve never like him though so 🤷🏽 lol
My son stopped listening to drake when he was listening to a new song and I said "drake dont even try no more" and guessed the next few bars he was gonna say and my son aint look at him the same since lol
For me, u can never fall off, if u was never on. Ion know if it was on some spiritual ish or not, but I never EVER listened to anything he's ever made. Even though the beef....I only listened to Kendrick's diss songs. I'm not a Kdot fan, but I do listen to him, because he's really apart of the hip hop culture...but my soul wouldn't allow me to listen to ANYTHING Drake related....sorry....not sorry 🤷🏽♂️
I’ve been saying this before the beef because usually it felt like every album he dropped since Scorpion had maybe one hit to it and the rest just filler to run up streams. Feels like his music has been very hollow in that regard.
If you're a 90s kid, Drake is the modern Johnny Bravo. Conventionally attractive, well dressed, the preteen ideal "chick magnet". But look at them for more than a minute and they're just creeps.
For me, the clear beginning of the end was Scorpion. I was a HUGE Drake fan from 09 to Scoprion and after that, as I continued to grow up and he didn't, he lost me
I feel basically the same way as you when it comes to Drake. After Views it was all done hill for me 20-25 song albums and only like 5-6 songs are good.
Drake had a lane, and a niche but refused to stay in it. He tried to position himself as a lyricist despite having ghostwriters; that’s dishonest. The audience eventually wakes up and realise that he doesn’t have a strong identity. Popularity and cultural cache are not the some thing
To say that it has nothing to do with Kendrick is crazy. Now, whoever you have crowned the winner of that rap battle (and if it’s not Kendrick, I don’t want to talk to you anyway). You cannot say that although some of the things K-Dor said was already said by others Drake needed with. He was the one that MADE YOU LOOK INTO THE SCOPE of who Drake is personally, professionally, and culturally. He’s a conniving and creepy dude and he’s grimey! 25 RICH MEN aren’t mad at you because they’re jealous. He’s the common denominator. He’s also emotional, an CULTURE VULTURE, and now people see him for who he is.
nah Kendrick made YOU "look into the scope" of Drake that way. Nothing Kendrick said about Drake during the battle was novel. It was information that's been public for years. Drake's musical downturn started way before this Kendrick battle
ngl we got a lot in common as former drake fans, in terms of what made us become fans of drake in the first place, and the point at which we started to move away from him but the few songs here and there we still appreciate. i agree a lot with your takes about why drake isnt what he used to be
Scorpion is when I got off the train. I really was about to get off after Views, but I gave it a couple more tries. I only recently went back and listened to FATD and kinda enjoyed some of Scary Hours Edition songs, but overall I can't really get into his music anymore. He peaked 3 to 4 albums ago to me, and only getting by on rep at this point.
No pause, but if I was a girl that Drizzy likes, I'm keeping it with me. Moment he touches me, he's on a shirt. Bro is pathetic at best, and creepy at worst (judging by his lyrics).
You got a point. 💯 He fell off after around 2014 for me probably. I haven't even listened to any of his newer albums. He's more for entertainment on social media for me than a real artist. I tuned out probably after Take Care which is really PartyNextDoor and TheWeeknds work. 😮💨I was deep into PartNextDoor and 6lacks music around 2015 -2016/17. I was into Cardib(even tho it took awhile for her to grow on me), Rae Sremmurd, Yung Thug, Migos, Beyonce etc. Drake didnt really catch my interest musically thru those years(except for his hit singles that we were force fed on Instagram like that KeKe song). Not sure why.
He got artist of the decade has 3 classics what else y’all want 🤔? People expect artists to be in the prime forever.. 90% of rappers don’t last after they 1st project
The songs I like liked the most on Take Care were all written by the Weeknd. The song I liked the most on Scorpion was written by Vory. The songs I liked the most on More Life (the only songs i liked actually) were written by PND. Drake is cool but his own style got receptive and stale for me on Take Me Later. I thought he fixed that until i found out about his ghostwriters.
Lmao I’m 22 and I can tell you I had a hip hop loving pops who listen to Jeezy, Kendrick, e-40, too short, Scareface, pac, biggie. He never really encouraged me to go back to listen to older music but i also lived with my grandma who listen to a lot of 80-90 Pop and a grandpa who Loved Funk. My aunty listen to a lot of Mary J, Alicia keys, Fantasia. My mom listened to a lot of Boosie. So music beside football was like my therapy so I would listen too personally a lot of older music and quality of albums and all of that. What he said was so true people My age don’t care too much about music to go back and listen to albums they only care too much about what’s popping on the internet and that’s why Drake got away with a lot of the BS albums he put out because like if you were to ask the average 22 year old who they thought was a better artist out of Drake and Kendrick 10 years ago they would have definitely said Drake and I’m not knocking Drake but he’s definitely not touching any of Kendrick actual albums. Drake to me was super average back then and only had a following because he had Wayne Cult like fan base behind him with Wayne Co-sign. I remember as a kid I would always go home and see if Wayne dropped but here comes another over played Drake song on the radio especially in San Diego Hotline bling was played on the radio every other song and was just terrible that song straight 🍑⛽️
It’s funny how hip-hop culture changed, in 2010 you couldn’t even join online Rap conversations if you hadn’t at least listened to some of the classic rap albums! Your opinion was immediately discarded
Saddest thing is If your reading this its too late isnt the most help proven.. Take Care actually is.. Half of it was The Weekend and the other half was Ye.. If im not wrong I think Ye actually was like one of the executive producer on it..
Drake definitely fell off over the years. His last good overall project was Scorpion. Everything after that in my opinion, he put out whatever he wanted to because he knew his Stans would support it anyway.
i can say i’m a youngin and tbh i agree with the fact we don’t need drake in hip hop i grew up with old school rap bcs of my mom and i’ve fallen in love with the culture and i rlly do take admiration for the art of music
I agree. To put it simply, it seems like Drake’s strategy was to release a project every year with a great marketing & writing machine behind him. Financially it makes since, because that’s how you “manufacture”. But as far as music, it means that you don’t have time to write amd you always have to catch the next wave. Like you said, his albums have been bad for awhile. I really wanna say since Views. After all that success, he really should’ve sat out for a couple of years, focused more on creating vs acquring. But, as they say, the more money you get shows who you really are.
One of my favorite quotes from some employee at Complex regarding More Life was, "Because it's a playlist and not an album, you can easily pick out the songs you like and add them to another playlist."
