Today a reference track for Drake's 2018 record "Mob Ties" leaked with Vory performing the vocals, but how much does it really matter? Let's discuss. #drake #mobties #reference
You people don't listen to anything you need to do your research before you people come and chat a lot of garbage but it drake it different you are not say anything when Kanye do it are other rapper they all do it but once drake do it. He is biggest talk and social media everybody have something to say and what they saying is garbage and bull shit.
Drake really is Bron of rap… lol cuz my whole problem with him is sayin he the goat with 6 final losses.. can’t be the Goat with ghost writers and I rock with Drizzy too 💯
I think you overlooked a key point. People hate being lied to. If you’re Kanye or Dr. Dre, you don’t walk around talking about how impeccable your pen is and how you’re the greatest…do you, but don’t lie.
That’s a good point. Rhymefest was going on MTV around College Dropout and openly talking about writing for Kanye. It was never treated like something else.
@@lastevolution6678 there's literally proof of Drake taking 70 % of the song word for word on more than 1 song. You can't put him in the same convo as jay-z , lil wayne , biggie , etc. Sure in the studio there can be suggestion on changing bars or improving them. That is also why Kanye cannot be also in that convo.
drake has ALWAYS used other peoples music and killed it. Sings like controlla and one dance were sngs given to him. The moment you hear an artist on the background f drake song. Its fair to assume it was their song
@Abdullah-vg1uc are we talking about song lyrics or bars? Anybody who doesn't write their own bars is NOT a rapper, but simply a performer. It's implied that true rappers write. Period.
Ghostwriting and reference tracks are ok for singers. NOT for Rappers and MCs. Drake can still be celebrated as a pop star. As he should! But when it comes to Hip Hop he gotta turn his playaz card in.
@@mindispotent8 ding ding ding i swear i hate rap fans bruh you are correct none of them are for time stamps or him constantly rapping. The references are for pop and R and B tracks things rap fans hate drake for so i have no clue why there mad and also drake is not Jcole or Kendrick. Drake raps, sings and does pop so if he has people write the pop and r and b tracks and he writes the straight bars songs then whats the matter ? most of the "RAP" fans dont listen to hold on where coming home lol so if there was a reference for that why is that jaw dropping lol yall dont like signing drake anyway lol
At this point, I'm convinced Drake fans are not hip hop fans, or simply don't understand what it stands for. Also, the new generation idolizes people more than music itself, and it's weird in my opinion
There’s a HUGE portion of his fanbase who are basically pop stans and act as such on social media which is understandable considering he’s such a big artist and has made big pop songs. It’s always really cringe watching them speak on hip hop though. They’re so out of touch on the culture
I saw a tweet that made it make sense for me- a lot of his fans intro to hip hop was him (especially younger kids) so a lot of them have this weird hive mind that he is the alpha & omega to everything hip hop. They literally don't know better
I’m an old school hard core rap fan. Yet I like Drake’s music especially the rnb sounding shit. But I would never consider him a top lyricist. But he is a hit maker can’t dent that.
Reality of the matter is, most of these listeners are casual fans. Don’t matter if you are from the culture or not. It’s all about having that deep understanding of what makes lyrical skills. So don’t want to hear anything from people who only listen to rap when there’s commercial press around it.
@@buttabutta2721 Let it go man. He knows that there is some level of belief that he wrote the song. He does a lot of shit to appear to be someone that he isn’t.
@@buttabutta2721 there's google and youtube son, drake literally said to brons face all his biggest records he wrote every bar.. which is a lie.. YOU LIED
Drake can be in the best rapper conversation despite having ghost writers for years but cole can't be in the conversation because he apologized. That's hip hop in 2024 for you.
Someone said it best about Drake "Not every rapper's credit list looks like the side effects to a new drug!". He is a hit maker but he should not be put into the same convo as other rappers.
Drizzy Vanilli: We don't know what else he didn't write. He can't claim to be a goat rapper if he has writers. Unfortunately he is a chart-chaser so he has to go to these lengths. He's talented no doubt tho.
To be specific on why I have an issue with these reference tracks, there’s nothing wrong with drake collaborating, the problem is that he is so loud about his accomplishments as if he’s the only one responsible for his success, and for years in his songs he down played the help he gets. “ they just mad cause I got the Midas touch “. If he’s getting help on his raps, ( especially from lil yachty ) he’s out of the conversation for best rappers. Add this to the list of his contradictions.
On drakes biggest song ‘Without 40, oil there’d be no me Imagine if I never met the broskis’ wtf you talking about lol Drake has ALWAYS given recognition to his team and people around him
@@jacobholley6181 Drake doesn’t need to specifically shout out his producers and collaborators whatta ridiculous standard to have. By this logic, Kendrick should have a verse dedicated to Drake for taking him on his first arena tour right?
@@kayeezycop I’m only specifically talking about his collaborations. Drake stays saying he’s one of the best rappers, singers, and writers in general. And I don’t doubt that, the problem is we can’t trust what he says on what he did and did not have help on.
@@erickcarrillo4968 well, if you ever have a doubt just check the credits crodie. Vory has been listed as a collaborator on mob ties for 6 years, QM was listed on IYRTITL for damn near 10 years, lil yachty was on jumbotron shit poppin, etc. Drake has always given credit to his collaborators which is why I find saying Drake has ghostwriters to be funny
If a reference ever comes out for a timestamp record or a record like Look What You’ve Done, You and The 6, Lose You or any one of those introspective deep cuts, that’ll be the end for Drake as a rapper🤷♂️ the Mob Ties reference was the last straw for me personally though. It wasn’t until this beef that I knew just exactly how many reference tracks are out there of his songs.
@@dg23457I hope Not bruh that would Hurt bruh or Back to back or summer sixteen smh he also said on that show the shop he wrote mob ties by himself smh
1. The OVOMole strikes again! 2. This will always be a cloud on Drake’s legacy. His interviews on the subject just show him trying to spin the story to make it more acceptable. 3. At what point do we start ranking Drake amongst the best actors of all time? 4. This is another example of not respecting the genre. To say you are the 👑 but you are not writing the majority of your hits is sick!
The question is that people feel betrayed. It's doesn't matter if you dominated the industry for a decade, but if all your hits were wrote or even recorded to you just Karaokeying over it, can you be discussed among the greatest in RAP? It's ok to pop, R&B, we don't expect those artist to be authentic anyway, but HIP HOP? It something totally different.
He just can’t be in the best rapper conversation. Even if we believe he writes the time stamp records, he has about 7 of those. A man can not be considered the best off of 7 records
@@Getawaykyou guys keep telling us this rubbish. Apart from Rnb hits, what rap hits has he written for other people? And how do we know those are not songs written for him by a ghost that he passes on to other artistes?
@@electricman68 Thats moving the goal posts. First he writes nothing and now he only writes RNB. It’s him writing those songs, crediting is important in the industry, if it was someone else giving it him he would have to state that legally. He doesn’t even have “ghostwriters” the ones he used are always credited
If you really pay attention to detail you can see alot of the little things that Drake added that just made the song bigger and better. In my opinion lol.
@@RobMarkman that's fair. His version was fully produced and fleshed out but the lyrics sound more natural coming from Vory. Drakes delivery is very monotone in comparison
This is still ghost writing, in my opinion. These people were credited along with a list of other people who may have done actual tiny minor adjustments. But if the person supplied the Cadence the ad libs and the whole first verse we can't then say Oh it's fine because they're credited. No they are a Ghost writers.
I feel you, sometimes you can hide something in plain sight, but if they’re credited they can’t be ghost writers. Because there are actually writers who take the upfront bag and never get the credit and stay hidden.
@@RobMarkman The idea of a ghost writer is not knowing that person wrote the song. If no one outside the label and camps know Vory wrote the whole song, it ghostwriting. If Vory couldn't talk about in public, its ghostwriting.
drake can be in the most popular artist debate no debate, but i honestly feel like drake can’t put himself as the greatest rapper or writer ever. he definitely write his own stuff, but after all of these times of him having other writers and him still claiming as the goat kinda sets a bad taste to his writing as he keeps going this direction
@@RobMarkman like someone said in the comments, it would horribly make drake’s image bad if we found a reference track of his timestamp songs, and found out that he copied every word and bar to it. to me, the most damaging thing we could find is that drakes disses to kendrick also had reference tracks, most unlikely that he does, but if he does. he automatically loses every way of this battle and will forever hold that burden.
@@prodmasjay What percentage of artistry is being delivered upon? We don’t know. He’s Milli Vanilli status to me. Rap at its core is authentic, and represents an experience of certain communities. The flagrant fakers like Drake and Tekashi can’t be allowed to inspire ignorance and lower the ethical bar any further.
Drake’s definitely a rap legend. But as time goes on, I feel like his lane narrows. He hasn’t had a real classic album - or even a cohesive one - in a long time. We know he’s out of the writer conversation, if only because we can’t say with confidence that he writes his own stuff. He’s the best hitmaker in rap history, which for most people would be a huge accomplishment. But it’s obvious he wants to be the GOAT, or at least one of them. I just can’t put him in that conservation when he makes watered-down albums and doesn’t write his bars.
This is a very fair comment. We can acknowledge his ear for hits and soundscapes but also be aware that the reference tracks and overall discography creates some issues.
This is how pop and rnb artists have made music for decades, its not a surprise that it's working. Drake didnt invent anything new, he just decided to do the same thing with rap. It's all good but he can't lie, spin things and claim things he didn't do. He can't get rap legend status when he's moving with pop star work ethic. He isn't creating, he's just reskinning work that's already done and signing his name to it.
I think Drake needs to come out and acknowledge that he has writers. If he were upfront about not solely writing his own lyrics, a lot of the controversy could have been avoided. I like Drake, but he should clear the air and be honest before presenting himself in a way that could backfire.
@@Getawayk the interview back in 2019 he even said the biggest hits - mob ties , time stamp he wrote him self . He even stole rappin 4 tay bars word for word and paid 150 k . But I’ll give it to drake , he made mob ties for what it is . The referenced track needed tweaking , but copied most of the lyrics .
@@Yugoslav1918 The rapping 4 Tay bars was homage to me. Rappers do that all the time to show respect, being that was a west coast song. And those references tracks were mainly hooks. He barely used the original lyrics to mob ties. If he had a lyricist come out and put a timestamp reference I would believe it. The writers he had for his reference tracks aren’t even lyrical, they harmonize
@@Getawayk he wasn’t paying homage to rappin 4 tay because he sued drake . Rappin didn’t think it was homage . Drake should have gotten permission first then it will be homage . For me the reference it is fine as an artist but being mentioned as a lyricist or top rappers or goats list he can’t be included u have to admit . And that’s my next problem with drake . He always copying stealing and indeed making them HOT songs . He raps, then doing Rnb or combining them both . He got an identity problem not black n white but cultural and rap or RnB . It’s absolute fine for RnB to work with each other giving lyrics and sounds because they do it all the time . Drake just has to decide what he is .
@@Yugoslav1918 I see what you’re saying because of optics. But most of the time when works with an artist he always lets them shine. They always benefit more than him in the long run with their career. It’s up to them to keep that going after the co-sign. I don’t think it’s stealing cultures or sounds when he always shouts out the culture or helps make the sound known and he usually gives credit where it’s due. Like we wouldn’t have the Afro beat and UK drill craze we went through without albums like more life and some songs on views. When both parties benefit I don’t think it’s stealing but that’s just me
If you want to have writers, go for it. Great songs can come from a team of writers. Rappers have been doing it since the beginning. Biz Markie did it. Dr. Dre did it. Diddy. Ye. Just don’t expect to be on a list of lyricists and definitely expect to be penalized in a greatest rappers list. Singers can have writers and not be penalized in the same way because that has never been part of how we measure singers and we recognize the difference between singing and rapping.
The problem is you can't come on the scene as a rapper and have a TON of tracks written for you. Most of the guys you mentiones are seen more as artists than rappers, and most came in as producers anyway. There's a difference and they've been penalised for it.
Well he had to say SOMETHING right? Lol He took an L, but I respect that he fired back. And Push Ups and Family Matters are strong records against any other rappers. Dot was just better.
Drake has a podcast coming out called 'Just Self Ponderings' with Aubrey Graham. Gonna come out a day or so after every Rob Markman release. Should be good stuff.
Rob, I love what you're doing with your channel! As a suggestion, maybe do a test run for your live or a few here and there as a sample so people know what they'd be joining the membership for/what to expect when getting the membership. You can tack on a promo for the specific time, date & what would be discussed when you upload your next video(s) so people can look out for it! Much love to you!❤
I agree with you that’s it’s especially important to write your own raps. I think one of the things that made Drake so appealing early on was how personal to him he made his music sound. After the Quentin Miller, I think we gave him a pass because of what he did with back to back but as more reference tracks come out, I’m starting to find myself not enjoying some of the older Drake classic songs at this point because I question if it came from him. It doesn’t mean that the songs aren’t good it just takes away because of how personal his music is.
he can not claim to be the greatest or the best or anything like that pertaining to being an mc/rapper. he can not be part of no big 3 w 2 lyricist ...period.. he can be the best hitmaker or hater tf but not rapper because to rap means to craft lyrics.
Little Brother with 9th Wonder was soooo good. Phonte's verse on Whatever You Say where a single word doesnt rhyme but still flows is an example of what made them great.
Im with ya rob. I stopped debating with people years ago about stuff like this. I love having conversations about stuff but i know whats important to me and if its not important to someone else then i couldnt care less. Its just whatever. People like what they like and thats ok to me. Anyways, would def be on board with memberships! Was hoping you would do that eventually. Just didnt expect it so soon. But ig thats what happens when shits popping off like it is. 💯 keep up the great work, man. Looking forward to the vince album vid.
@RobMarkman I thought about suggesting live listening parties for new albums. But in today's climate on RU-vid I just don't know how safe that would be for the health of your channel with possible copyright strikes and stuff like that. But, you could def do comic book reads or something. Like maybe share some of your favs. Or you could even do some story time shit about your career as a writer. I love hearing you talk about conversations you've had with big artists. But either way, whatever you do I'll be there. You never lack so I got faith that whatever you do it'll be a banger as usual.
I would say make a discord for the community to discuss and debate the videos and other topics. Maybe too early for a members paywall type thing, let’s grow this bigger first before introducing that. Thoughts?
I didn’t think this really was a shocking revelation 🤷🏿♂️. Still got dissected like a science experiment but his Career is still safe after this definitely
never been on this channel before but the moment i heard ur voice, and name, i was like, i heard this guy be4 but where?? then, it hit me, TAYLOR ALLDERDICE!! my nigga, u're on a certified CLASSIC. 💯
1. I agree with paywalling exclusive content. 2. Drake is a POP rap artist. He’s not my GOAT so I honestly don’t care. I just listen to the music and whatever I like I continue to listen to and whatever I don’t like I stop listening to. The issue with those who value the standards of hip hop is Drake refers to himself as an MC. IMO he can’t be in that convo. The only reason he is because of his stats as a POP artist. It’s understandable that some are irritated but it doesn’t change anything because his fans and the masses will continue to support him regardless. 3. If anybody needs to take accountability it’s all his peers and elders who still embraced him after the Quentin Miller reference tracks were released. Gatekeepers should’ve checked that but they didn’t because they wanted to play industry games and politics! 4. As you said fans are fickle. The man knows how to create hits. Once he does, the world will move on and it’ll be business as usual. 5. If I ever hear reference track for timestamp Drake, I might shed a thug tear.
@@RobMarkman Other content creators I watch that use the membership feature typically do exclusive interviews. You can do more niche content that will engage your core audience that typically wouldn't appeal to a larger audience.
What do you think of Anthony Palman also known as ovo hush who has writing credits on a lot of Drake songs including Tuscan leather, worst behavior cameras and a lot of other ones. Seems like he’s had writing help on a large chunk of his songs
Drakes rapping/writing ability is like an athlete natty status. You might be on the juice everybody might be on the juice We’ll never truly know how much of his music solely his contributions. Ultimately making music through committee has resulted in some great songs But positioning yourself like you are that guy when you aren’t is the most damning part
This side-by-side with him on The Shop talking about how tracks like this is straight from his pen is looking like nasty work. Drake is the worlds greatest Karaoke rapper? 😅
@@shaamlowery2632 Daylyte helped him write Back 2 Back. Lyte exposed that years ago bc Drake didn’t pay him for it That’s why Kendrick said “ your best work is a Lyte pack” on the “Like That” record 😬
I think drakes use of ghostwriters is uniquely bad because to me anyways it feels like he is using ghostwriters to maximize his output and flood the market with his songs. Like throughout this entire beef i have heard people praise drake for his unprecedented run how he is everywhere how he is so adaptable how he is omnipresent how he is so prolific especially in comparison to Kendrick and like yeah of course he is if he has other people helping him write songs of course he can put out project after project after project. There are real physical limits to how much art and artist can produce
I also don’t see this as huge news anymore but I think that’s the issue 😂. To me the fact that the validity of your pen can be questioned should be extremely concerning for someone that considers themselves a true lyricist 🤷🏽♂️ Also hella excited to see what you got to say about the new Vince Rob. My favorite full album listen 🎧 of the year so far
@RobMarkman oh also i believe Drake wrote for Wayne. I mean, the sources are Russell Peter's and Karrine Steffans, but it would explain why early Drake and Wanye collabs sounded that way.
It might've been mentioned already (I scrolled for a bit to check but there are 700+ comments lol, shoutout to building such an engaged audience/community) but Drake wrote raps for Dr. Dre before. None of them made it onto a project if I'm remembering correctly but a few are on RU-vid if you type both their names in.
I think a point that people are overlooking is these "credited writers" all are established artists with their own cultivated fanbases but they have probably have been sold under the guise of writing for Drake is the biggest thing they will ever do. Meanwhile Drake is one of the biggest worldwide artist propped up by artists who have had career lulls and no classic records. A lot of people argue that Drake has helped lots of artists (and he has), but somebody else could be in that top 3 if he wasn't getting references. And I'm saying this thinking there's definitely others on bigger songs hidden in a vault somewhere.
I’m an OG Drake hater so this hasn’t changed my mind about him. Would love you to cover the era of super producers like the Neptunes. I read Pharrell & Chad are fighting over the trademark. Sucks that Chad never got the credit he deserved. Their songs made my teenage years so it’s so sad to see.
That prime Neptunes era was insane!!! I think Chad and P will be alright; from what i hear it’s more of a misunderstanding and they just have different lawyers. I hope they can work it out.
I know reference tracks and collaboration happens in rap all the time, but it's different to hear the confirmation. Purists know about collaboration but we don't like it. Drake is applauded for his versatility as an artist and his output remains at a high quality level. By those metrics, a writing camp does put a dent in that artistry because he gets heavily credited for it while contributors are overlooked. Keep up the great work on the channel!
As a fan since 09 let me say hell no. Didn't consider him the best rapper but now I don't even put him in my top 20 because who knows how many of his classics were ghostwritten. Pisses me off. Obviously those people are credited but who gives a fk
Mob ties was meant for the radio and I do think that he writes all of his songs even the timestamp records and sometimes drake needs someone who can bounce ideas and I grew up on Drake and that doesn't matter to me if it sounds good then it's good, I also do you want guest coming on your channel that'll be dope if you can in the future???
I appreciate Rob taking it back to Sugar Hill.💯 History is important! And don’t forget 14:57 Drake wrote for Kanye on “Father Stretch…” They both have mentioned it multiple times.
Drizzy vanilli at it again. Drake is what he always was and that’s an excellent actor. Aubrey is playing the character of Drake and people are it up. 2024 year of truth and everyone is being exposed. Drake is just right in line with Diddy to get exposed
Hope the love being shown to you under every video that has drake name in the title is real cause every video without his name barely got 3000 views!! Just something I noticed!!
Im glad you kept it real on how its cool now to hate Drake, yes he has things you can not like about him but most people have no real opinion, they just go with the popular narrative and right now its to dislike him.
Ghost writing and referencing aside. The context is the song is a response to a beef. So basically you have someone else to craft a response for you during this time.
Having writers is fine but comparing your success to people who write their own raps and saying you made people's careers when you had hits given to you is begging for people to call you out. Those aren't your hits those are yalls hits.
Drake has indeed collaborated with others on time stamp records, too... Kenza Samir is a credited writer on "6pm in New York," in addition to many other Drake records. He also cowrote his poetry book with her. I'd love to learn more about her. She seems talented.
Some of our favorite artists collaborate in the studio to create unforgettable art. Drake enjoys creating with other’s. As a hip hop head, writing your own bars is essential and how Hip hop should live but we know in this day and age the best outcome has a price/bottom line for the corporations. Also, some of the consumers of hip hop don’t care who writes what just as long as their favorite is performing the song.
It is refreshing to hear an MC like you tell the truth and not be called a 'hater' like they tried to call Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) or anyone else who states, yes Drake is a great artist but not a pure rapper MC. I am an MC out of Detroit/Pontiac, Ill Will (the battle rapper) is in my camp (6 Deep), I never made it to the heights of even Ill Will especially Drake but the truth is the truth, I don't or never have considered Drake a true rapper or MC. Irt is not hating it is just the facts of the matter if you ever put pen to pad as a rap purest. I was rapping since 12 years old, seeing it curated and growing up different I think we see rap different then most of todays fans. I left rap alone from 2005 to 2015 because of the direction I saw it going. Kendrick Lamar actually brought me back. I heard Swiming Pools by mistake (I was listening to strictky gospel by then, a different story) right before to Pimp a Butterfly came out. I coped to Pimp a Butterfly and played it two weeks staright, that is all I listened too and found my passion for rap again. For the rap fan, more power to you but for a true MC you have to put pen to pad, build your own cadance, hear and understand the beat, create. That is true art from a true artist. When Kendrick Lamar mentioned Raphel, I thought of the painter. I studied art, Raphel became one of the premiere portait artist. Two artist cannot create one portrait.
The thing I think that upsets people, are people who fall for the facade of Drake being a top MC. He never has been, if you look at drake in the same light as Michael Jackson this stuff won’t bother you. He’s a hit maker, and the number 1 hit maker of our era. He doesn’t set trends, he adapts to them and then makes the best songs for whichever sound is currently trendy. This is not what Kendrick does at all. Kendrick sets trends, creates new sounds, and takes risk. They’re different things and both great at what they do.
At this point we shouldn't be surprised with the many Drake songs reference being drop, wether is ghostwriter or a Collab... But we can't not put him on the same shoulder of K. Dot and J Cole as a rapper, I'm mention only this generation the top 3 they also Collab with others, we've seen some ad-libs, verse from k going to keem and vice verse but letting your writers going to the booth and record naah... From those three with their catalog "Writing their own records matters" specially in rap
It continues to amaze me how we let anything Drake do or say matter. We all know he's not authentic and a scumbag at the end of the day. He will never be in the GOAT conversation but what we can't deny is he's capitalized on creating a loyal fanbase and became wealthy off that. Can't really hate on it even if we don't like him.
there are a lot of parallels to this situation with Drake (ghostwriters, collaborative songwriting, both) and steroids in baseball. we know steroids doesn't change your ability to hit, the same way we know Drake having writers doesn't change his talent/ability to be successful without it. the allegations for both does muddy the waters because now we have to ask what did "this" impact and how much? there's no way of knowing how many HRs Bonds would have without steroids, just like there's no way of knowing what Drake's career, longevity and reputation looks like without help - whenever he used it. both Drake and Bonds are still "Hall of Famers" but to act as if it isn't part of either person's story is ridiculous. Drake probably went this route the same reason Bonds started roids: pressure. Drake is essentially in a MLM, he has money to recoup on record deals and many others mouths touch money off his work before it trickles down to him. so the result is being on the road 360 days out of the year and putting out this crazy output of work. Just as Bonds felt the pressure to be out on the field and to produce to live up to his contract or work towards another one.
I wrote this on another video, but here goes again: When the rapper is representing themselves as an Individual, a Solo MC, I fully agree with you. I don't want to hear other people's pen when I'm listening to a Solo artist in hip hop. My only caveat is that there's an exception where I do think it's okay - Groups. To take it back to the old days, when we were talking about G-Unit or D12, the stuff Drake's doing would've been fine. If Drake doesn't want to write his own raps, then to me he shouldn't be a solo artist. OVO should make a group. A "band" of rappers. If you make an OVO group where a lot of their label raps on songs, then who writes what exactly stops mattering. The group as a whole gets the credit. It's about the Group's music.
@@RobMarkman Hey man, thanks for the reply! I'm not gonna say the idea is flawless or anything, or solves everything. But it just struck me that a lot of the accusations about OVO being a sweatshop for Drake (the solo artist) wouldn't have been so incisive if they did a group thing. I think there's a lot of nuanced particulars to be discussed, but the main thing for me is that they have a ton of great artists on the label that frankly don't see no love from the label, and I don't think that would be the same if OVO had their own rap group. I'm being rambly, but yeah, I just personally wish OVO didn't just exist for Drake, but that they'd give opportunities to prop up the whole label and all their artists.
Just saying that if we have a hip hop culture if we accept principles from pop it destroys everything. I remember Mili vinilli, p.m dawn, doesn't matter how big the BOP was once we found out it wasn't real it's over, so now not only can you have writers but also do every other form of music and still be hip hop? Love what u do tho man. Only unbiased opinion on RU-vid 💯
DRAKE WAS ON THE VERGE OF BEING THE GREATEST RAPPER/ARTIST OF ALL TIME UNTIL MEEK EXPOSED HIM NOW WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE BEST HE WONT BE IN THE TOP 25 FOR REAL RAP FANS
I enjoy both K Dot and Drake’s music. Even within the battle, I think both of them are both stellar artists. I’ve loved Drake’s music since 2010-2011 so it lowkey does sting to know he didn’t organically come up with tracks such as Over My Dead Body or Look What You’ve Done because to 10th grade me, I felt like those song were a time stamp to where I was in my life. Same thing I can say about Money Trees/Tammy’s song(even tho this song came out) about K Dot. Drake is definitely talented and has produced and written great music for others and I’m sure himself, but it does feel a lil sucky. K Dot definitely bodied Drake in this beef and definitely exposed what was once hidden to the fans
Some writers are just not good at delivering hits but someone can bring it to life that's a good cheque for them. I'm not mad at it. Drake is not one dimensional and what we can't say is that DRAKE CAN'T RAP! That's his talent whether his pen or not. It's not like he doesn't pen at all, and he's written for others also. Drake not my fav sonically but he's definitely dope at what he does. Do definitely find it quite bold of him to enter battles vs actual top pen game rappers like a Push and Kenny, but ego can take you places. Bottom line he's got his lane and a STRONG lane. Just needs to choose his battles better in the grand scheme of things.
Insane. There is another writer who is credited on Tuscan Leather - A Palman / OVO Hush … whether or not there is a reference or how much or what was contributed, i don’t know
This is a very conflicting topic for me. As much as I love lyricism, sometimes the voice delivering these lyrics carries more weight than who wrote it. These songs will never be heard by mos, if it stayed in a Vory or Quentin tape. So I’m grateful to hear their hard work gets heard, but I hate that it’s not gonna be as big without a Drake voice to it. Maybe I should be grateful he delivered these songs perfectly and the writer and artiste get paid regardless Or I should stay myopic on one point he didn’t write it.
