Drapion-line Solo Challenge - Pokemon Platinum

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1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, or save states
4. No movepool evasion-boosting moves before level 100*
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-- I make no attempt to have the exact same rule details between generations.
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- Evasion boosting is allowed if the move is not obtained from the Pokemon’s movepool. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed.
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1 & 4, banned in gen2, and allowed only to bypass terrain in gen3
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@OctoNocturne 14 часов назад

I think accupressure boosting evasion is fine, as long as you aren't specifically using it for the evasion boost. We allowed Froslass to use hail and activate its own snow cloak, after all.

@handicapgaming9385 14 часов назад

On the topic of Acupressure raising evasion, I think you should just let it if it does for the following reasons: -It isn't a common move, even when you take into account learning it from breeding. This makes it more interesting and unique for the user, similar to how you let a Pokemon use Pickup if they have it, but don't use it otherwise. -It's random and uncontrollable so you're just as likely to only get special boosts on Doduo/Dodrio as you are physical boosts, which could potentially cause a reset anyway. I think the risk for reward factor should allow you to use the evasion boost if you get it. Functionally (but mathematically), this is to me would be the same as raising your crit chance and hoping for a lucky crit. Or hoping for a lucky miss or paralyze proc from the status. Double Team is really easy to get to a point where the odds are so stacked in your favor the game loses any challenge. But with Acupressure it's so wildly varying that I think it's more interesting. -Sort of branching off the previous point but it's a nice test of adapting your strategy mid-fight too. Medicham gets Acupressure, and getting a special boost at the right time might mean using a special move instead of a physical one. Unlikely to happen given your ruleset and how Pokemon are judged but still worth thinking about.

@bluethemew9273 10 часов назад

Also mid bit for your thing, I’d say if he gets 2 evasion boosts cause of acupressure so he’s plus 4 I’d say reset but just plus two is fine

@zerovolt1406 14 часов назад

11:04 …however, due to Skorupi’s Battle Armor, night slash’s high critical hit rate is meaningless! Another win for our precious queen.

@ASteveVaiFan 9 часов назад

Relevant to that timestamp, he should have been going with Pin Missile over Rock Tomb against the Skuntank.

@evilvitamin 14 часов назад

I also think Acupressure should be allowed and not restricted for future runs. It’s part of Skorupi’s level up learnset and almost it’s signature move, using it is fundamental to the experience of using the mon.

@Lockirby2 14 часов назад

I think allowing evasion from Acupressure is probably fine in the future. It's not as abusable and not common either. In general, I think that if your strategy is to fish for an evasion boost from Acupressure, it'll take long enough in real time on average that it's usually better to find a better strategy anyways (that's not really true for Double Team IMO).

@lorddelibird 14 часов назад

Haven’t watched yet but fingers crossed Scott discovers the joys of acupressure. Imo a surprisingly underrated move

@lorddelibird 14 часов назад

Just got to the first acupressure use. I understand your logic but I do think resetting is too high a price. I think a better middle ground is if you get an evasion boost you should just not be allowed to use it anymore. Part of why double team is so broken is stacking the odds ridiculously in your favor.

@dooomdesire 15 часов назад

Acupressure being so random should be allowed but should be limited in some capacity like if you get an evasion boost you can't use it any more, stopping you from raising your other stats that you actually want to raise

@Speedrunner0218 13 часов назад

Imo it should be fully allowed. It's random plus risky

@sparkypikachu7776 13 часов назад

@@Speedrunner0218yeah I agree and I mean it's not like every pokemon gets it either

@dooomdesire 13 часов назад

@Speedrunner0218 that was my original thought as well but then I thought about Scott's rules and why he has them in place and you could simply for hard fights just setup 6+ everything on a easy pokemon and sweep that challenging fight

@asdfasdf-xb6bv 12 часов назад

@@dooomdesire ehh... even just for the five base stats, i don't think any pokemon is going to especially benefit from spending 15 whole turns on setup? if things are so dire that so many boosts are necessary, then it'd probably be a last resort. With how unreliable it is, it'll certainly not be as meta-warping as evasion-boosting moves are. I doubt it'd even be as useful as something like Swords Dance, honestly.

@dooomdesire 12 часов назад

@asdfasdf-xb6bv I know that no pokemon wants that. it was just a reference that it could be abused, and anything that can be abused will be abused and give a false time as it is a rng move and not the best to set up over 15 turns

@mewr11 14 часов назад

You might already know this, but during double battles in gens 3 and 4 you can press 'START' to switch from HP bars to HP numbers.

@morkoski6046 12 часов назад

Wait, WHAT?

@kevin427 11 часов назад

TIL...

@CGInsightHub 12 часов назад

I think Acupressure evasion boosts should be allowed due to the opportunity cost involved of using the move. Competitive pokemon bans evasion boosting moves and even some evasion boosting abilities, but they allow acupressure evasion boosts. It isn’t the same as clicking double team for sure, but I understand your take on this!

@chrisdaignault9845 15 часов назад

Bide is a priority move in gen 4, I’m fairly sure. Also, pin missile is clearly better than rock tomb against Skuntank. Average 3.1 hits gives it over 60 effective power.

@connerhochstein 15 часов назад

Drapions so goofy like bro is the most bug but not a bug I’ve ever seen

@input-latency2684 15 часов назад

no venomoth is the most bug-but-not-a-bug

@philiphunt-bull5817 14 часов назад

Flygon Porygon Z

@connerhochstein 13 часов назад

Both flagon and drapion could be called that u right

@LuKo3x5066 14 часов назад

Your decision on acupressure really hurts Drapion. You should be allowed to use it freely with a caveat that you should always have a plan for battle other than "evasion boost into miss".

@wildstorm3486 14 часов назад

And I’ve seen this solution as well. If it gives you an evasion boost just don’t use it for the rest of the battle. Honestly I think that’s a fair trade off. But like you said. As long as the plan is not to pray from a 1 in 7 chance for an evasion boost you should be fine.

@JackConrad-e4v 14 часов назад

Acupressure should be allowed as long as evasion isn’t the stat ur trying to increase. If it’s accidentally increased and isn’t part of your plan to defeat the gym it should be allowed

@Penguindude1 13 часов назад

Funny thing about Bide, is that starting in Gen 4, it gets +1 Priority, so it didn't matter if that Pachurisu outsped you or not.

@henry5274 14 часов назад

I frankly havent liked the evasion rule applying in gen’s 3 or 4. I really prefer when you allowed for it if it was in a level up move set and should absolutely should not count for acupressure with how garbage the move is on a garbage first stage evolution. If its what you need, then it should be fine for skorupi. For the most part, I found that even when you allowed for evasion moves if it was in their move sets, it is almost never the strat you want to use for a speed run. You either want to get a good time without the extra time using double team or to just reset

@philiphunt-bull5817 14 часов назад

Agreed

@theshankpain2228 14 часов назад

Disagree. Evasion is extremely busted in solo runs. Acupressure is a unique evasion move, I think maybe it should be allowed if he removes the evasion boost from it.

@henry5274 11 часов назад

@@theshankpain2228 it is absolutely busted in solo runs, but 9 times out of 10, it isnt the fastest way to speed run a solo mon and he is speed running solo mons

@XrostheFox 10 часов назад

Hey Scott i had an idea about the Lopunny run in Platinum. Gen 4 introduces the friendship boosting berries which give 10/5/3 friendship depending on the pokemon's current friendship. These berries also reduce a specific EV by 10 in exchange. In Platinum there are 12 total, two for each EV stat. If picked up and used as early as possible to get 10 or 5 friendship at the cost of a few EVs, which you will inevitably get back before end game, it could make Buneary evolve much earlier. Plus the EV loss will be offset by the stat increase of evolution. Iirc Lopunny basically steamrolled the game once it evolved so I believe it would be worth it to hasten that by any means necessary. In addition, using TMs and battle items give +1 unless the pokemon is >200. I would argue that using battle items as a friendship tool and not to cheese a strong foe doesn't go against the spirit of the rule, but I suspect you would be steadfast in following that rule regardless. However, teaching even bad TMs just to teach over them with another move is a small but helpful way to get a few more points. For example, teaching Buneary whatever useless TMs it can learn before just teaching Return right over it, or teaching some moves right before it levels up and gets a move you want to learn. It would be interesting to see a stream where you figure out how to FRIENDMAX and what the best path to achieving that would be. Lastly I think learning this would be beneficial for future Pokemon that require friendship in Platinum, since you are doing lines instead of fully evo Mons. Love the content as always, been around since the era where you were bad at Yellow

@MattScottJones 13 часов назад

I’d say allow Accupressure! You used Hail when using Froslass, despite that raising its evasion. Har chomp gets an evasion boost every time you fight Bertha’s Hippowdon. As long as you’re not intentionally using the move to boost evasion, and replace it with another setup move (e.g. Swords Dance) when you can, I think it’s fine.

@Chronoflation 14 часов назад

You know your health was way more than double the Pachirisu's, so you could've survived if you just used acupressure, even if you're risking evasion boosting. I still think acupressure should be an exception for the evasion boost since it's only a 1/7 chance. You can reset if you successfully dodge and are unhappy with that. If you don't successfully dodge then it doesn't matter/affect the results and is just a dead turn for you

@iantaakalla8180 14 часов назад

Also, Acupressure is not just a straightforward set-up move. It is a useful set-up move, but it being random means there is still a cost. If you don’t get what you want by the time of the first evasion boost, that’s it. And sometimes you could make it through, and sometimes you may not.

@Chronoflation 6 часов назад

@@iantaakalla8180 right. Even with an evasion boost, you could get screwed with back to back accuracy or sp atk boosts that make it high risk reward to use. Evasion just slightly offsets that. I think it's fair. At the very least, if the enemy doesn't miss, I think he can keep going even with his strict rules

@xxx-ir6tg 7 часов назад

silly little thing but. i love the stats being organized like that - HP across from speed, special and physical across from each other. a lot easier for me to parse! thanks for these videos, boss - keepin me alive rn. :o) like any person who loves pokemon, im weirdly picky about the ways that other people talk about the series. not to get too into it, but your vibe is immaculately chill and positive and fun. i love your variety of challenge formats (line-only + solo only) - i find it allows different 'mons to shine in a way ive never thought about. :3

@JohnJacob56 14 часов назад

It’s strange to artificially slow a pokemon down for an ability changing evasion. I think that was a bad decision.

@johngleeman8347 10 часов назад

Agreed. I understand why he doesn't like evasion as a primary gameplan, but in this case the evasion boosts were incidental to the primary gameplan.

@tsawy6 6 часов назад

Frankly acupressure evasion boosts do provide the means to luck through any fight tho

@melfice999 14 часов назад

For why Vespiqueen vs Drapion speed difference question. I could think that part of the speed difference is caught up by late game, where Drapion only has to set up swords dance, and sweep, which cuts few seconds from every single fight. With this minor gains stacking in the end, vs Queen's setup being a bit slower. Also I would love to know how fast you cleared the Team Plasma and Distortion World at end game, as I could imagine this part being in theory a part where Drapion gains more speed than Vespiqueen. Also with Acupressure, I would think it boosting evasion is fine, as its random effect move, and you can't rely on it, unless you want to spend way longer on using it than using other strategies. As even in this run, you were using it for attack boosting, not evasion, with evasion boost being merely a side effect born out of randomness It would be worse if you used it to boost accuracy, so you can hit 1HIT-KO moves more accurately.

@overseerpjoe9477 4 часа назад

I'm doing my first casual playthrough of Ultra Sun, since I skipped it when it came out, and I'm using a Noibat on my team. It's absolutely terrible right now, so your experiences with Scorupi are absolutely relatable. Funnily enough, they are both Poison types that evolve in the 40's. I've also heard the Pokemon that go from absolutely awful to absolutely amazing as a "Zero to Hero" style of progression.

@Speedrunner0218 13 часов назад

Imo Scott, acupressure should have no limits. I've used it with drapion in a solo run before, but it still felt bad to rely on. I think what you did is making skroupi just worse compared to other pokemon.

@NevG27 14 часов назад

I like the way you're dealing with acupressure. Risking a reset by using that move means you only use it when you need it too, so it's more of a hail mary play.

@leekyb3837 15 часов назад

One of my fav gen 4 mons I’m glad

@redwings13400 13 часов назад

I think it's fine if you allow accupressure. It's a super rare move that is only learned through level up, and it's also insanely inconsistent, so I can't imagine you actually using it as a solution much in the late game, unless the pokemon is awful. Even then you'll definitely get some resets and increase your time from that, so I don't see the evasion boosts there as a huge issue.

@Stan_Vanderakt 14 часов назад

I just noticed that Fantina has an illegal Haunter. Gastly evolves at level 25, but the Haunter is level 24. You can encounter one, but the minimum level is 25.

@justsomejojo Час назад

I like the distinction between whiplash and balanced, since even playing full teams, you really notice it with some mons, either through their stats, their new typing or even a new move they get. Some mons are specifically designed that way (the early bugs, Magikarp) but I think the more "hidden" ones are interesting to find. Regarding Acupressure, I honestly think it should be allowed to boost Evasion if it happens. It didn't seem to impact this run too much as a whole (and I can only think of one other mon that learns it), but Acupressure feels integral to Skorupi and Drapion, and you did use that reasoning in the past with Gen1 mons that learn Minimize. As long as you're not resetting for certain boosts and instead treat it more like the coinflip that is Hypnosis, I think it shouldn't be punished, so to speak. Overall, this one's actually nostalgic to me. I used a Drapion on my very first Diamond run in 2007. Skorupi was one of the few exciting encounters in the otherwise disappointing Gen4 safari area and I liked its design a lot. I also used Acupressure quite a bit and liked Drapion for its bulk (though I think Skorupi is the better design since it doesn't have quite as many similar looking "chain links" for its limbs).

@retloclive9118 14 часов назад

Hearthome rival's turning out to be one hell of a wall.

@Philipp19967 15 часов назад

Ok finally someone who hates the detective as much as I do Thank you ❤

@ultlifeform Час назад

Drapion is my favourite Poison type Pokemon. It was very fun in Pokemon Sword/Shield. It has the Sniper Ability, boosting the damage of critical hits. If you equip a Scope Lens (or Razor Claw), and have high affection, any high crit rate moves will have 100% crit rate without needing any set up (doesn't get Focus Energy anyway), and Drapion gets a lot of high crit rate moves, like Slash, Night Slash, and Cross Poison. Moves without a high crit rate end up with a 50% crit rate, so still very reliable.

@Hagot428 14 часов назад

Acupressure should be completely allowed imo

@javelin4646 15 часов назад

I was always of the belief that they should've made Arbok a Poison/Dark type in gen 2 like how they added Steel to Magnemite. Drapion makes for a cool first Poison/Dark type tho

@goldkobold6496 14 часов назад

I think the evasion boost rule is honestly a bit pointless past gen 1. Past gen 1 it’s a useful move but not nearly as broken and there’s a good case of there being something better and the move acupressure I think is completely fine even if you accidentally boost your evasion Also by the logic of Acupressure shouldn’t Froslass last week be invalid since you used Hail to boost your evasion by one stage?

@bettyunicorn6132 13 часов назад

Yeah

@Br0oham 8 часов назад

Man, playing through Diamond and Pearl one of my first times I learned that Cynthia starting with Spiritomb is a horrible mistake, as my team had Drapion, and Acupressure stacking meant I one shot all of her mons and she couldn't touch me because of lucky Sp.Def and Evasion boosts to start... Drapion is such a funny mon Also I love that I come to the comments to mention this right as I start the video and the first few comments I see are all about Acupressure

@Witzwo1 12 часов назад

Drapion is one of those underrated Gen4 Pokemon. It deals Damage like you haven t seen and takes hits for days, cannot get crit, has the probably third best defensive typing in the game with the probably best Stab-Move to spam the opponent with in any game and its movepool is deep af. I believe there are not many story fights from Kanto up to Paldea that will be huge roadblocks for Drapion. Sadly Scorupi is pretty bad.

@unboundsoul3582 11 часов назад

2:30 "Knock off isn't good as a move" >But wait, I thought-- >Pre-buff Knock Off Oh god that's right. This episode is probably gonna remind me of a lot today huh

@kulrigalestout 7 часов назад

Pacharisu reminding us all that it won Worlds and has what it takes to hang with the big boys, ain't got no time for Skorupi

@xShail 10 часов назад

every time I see one of your platinium runs, I feel so sad, that the "strongest" trainer here is such a pain to unlock and therefor is not included in the challenges :S (just in case, if you didn't know it: Your rival has a lvl 79-85 Team in the Battle Zone, starting first at lvl 48-51 and AFTER 20 TIMES ENTERING the hall of fame it increases to the former level cap. Maybe there is a way with modification, but i dont know.) Still, great vids :D Edit: BTW there is an unused battle with Barry, that should unlock after 10 Hall of Fame entries, with lvls around 70

@bigswole2133 4 часа назад

Yes, I'm the 800th like 👍, The lines are the best, just watching the growth is outstanding.

@wohnbert5096 11 часов назад

I really like drapion. It is such a sturdy mon with absolutely amazing defensive typing. It is really fast for a defensive Pokémon and gets sword dance on top of that, along with great coverage. Shame skorupi evolves so late and is straddled with a slow growth rate. This is one of those Evo lines where I wonder why there is no middle stage. It gets such a massive boost on its late Evo that it feels like there should be a middle stage.

@Johnny362000 10 часов назад

I see a lot of comments against the Acupressure decision so I just want to throw in my engagement to say I am fully on board with how you chose to handle it 👍

@bluethemew9273 10 часов назад

Dunno what happened at the Fatina fight at 15:10 bit of older video footage from a drifloon fight snuck in, unless that’s somehow intentional but doesn’t seem to be, but damn the slow growth rate and what you explained early in the video about whiplash and balanced Pokémon clearly is true here with at least the skorupi part getting really frustrating cause leveling and stats

@Nagassh 3 часа назад

I'm strongly in favor of NOT resetting over random evasion boosts - I think a better line would be are you pressing Acupressure explicitly for the evasion boost? If so, that's probably over the line when you're fishing for it and your plan to win the fight needs explicitly evasion cheese, if it happens randomly then I whatever, you've fished for crits that are probably more statistically significant. Having a move that makes you randomly reset a fight seems a pretty hefty burden for an already weak line.

@Lotus_RT 11 часов назад

9:17 Starting in Gen 4, Bide is actually +1 priority, so there was no way you would have moved first against it. Acupressure unfortunately would've been the way to go! Fun fact, Bide has also bypassed accuracy checks starting in Gen 4. It does in Gen 1 as well, but it didn't bypass this way in Gens 2-3 though!

@JJ-qo7th 9 часов назад

Optional compromises: 1. If you get a sharp increase to evasion, you stop using Acupressure and proceed with the battle. 2. You only use it if you were actually looking for a different stat boost, like Atk or Sp.Atk 3. You can use it whenever you want, but only three times (A sharp-increasing move only is useful three times for a stat).

@ZhangLiao07 11 часов назад

I'm not sure if it was a typo or like a program thing, but when you are showing the stat difference in the evolutions its showing medium slow growth rate. I know you work on your own things so not sure if it was a typo or not. Thanks for the videos, and i vote acupressure is free game.

@Kali_Krause 10 часов назад

Drapion has excellent typing in Poison/Dark. It is only weak to Ground and becomes Immune to Psychic. It's worth the wait though as I have one on my Poison type team in Heart Gold. It has X-Scissor/Brick Break/ Cross Poison/ Night Slash

@maciejkaminski97 13 часов назад

The three raiders of doom with poison typing in gen 4! Drapion, skuntank and toxicroag 🥳 Waiting for missing ones. 😊

@omenhiikoyashi 14 часов назад

I look forward to the video of a Drapion only solo run, maybe it’ll be a balanced run over a whiplash style

@Zack-d3u 13 часов назад

Honestly thought piplup would be the rivals starter. Steel to resist the poison and dark, knows peck for stab super effective in the early stage, also ponyta being on the team instead of buizel

@jamesskaine4877 5 часов назад

I think Accupressure is fine, because it's unreliable and it feels more similar to the badge boost glitch in gen 1. It would be unavoidable using it so long as you're not trying to make it an evasion move

@theshankpain2228 14 часов назад

I agree with your decision to reset when you got the evasion boost. Maybe in the future patch out the ability for acupressure to boost evasion. An example of gamefreak doing this is with the ability moody. Initially it would raise and/or lower any stats including evasion. This caused the ability to be banned in competitive. In later generations the ability for moody to boost evasion was removed. I don’t know specifically what generation this occurred. Maybe someone else here could fill in the specifics.

@salamense6791 14 часов назад

One fun thing about acupressure is that it can target it's partner in double battles

@thedancingguy828 14 часов назад

Drapion is so cool. Skorupi seems like a Johto pokemon that Sinnoh fixed, like all Johto broken mons lol

@SonicMeters 12 часов назад

This run is one of the most fun runs ever

@wildstorm3486 14 часов назад

Entertaining video as always. Here are a few of my thoughts. 1) while your decision on acupressure is fine. I agree with others and say that’s fine if you only get one evasion boost. And when you do just stop using the move. As long as the strat is not relying on getting 1 in 7 boost to evasion you should be fine. 2) would saving 4 rare candies to wait for Lv 40 and then jumping to Lv 44 for Crunch before evolving save time? Or is Crunch not super useful until Lv 49? 3) I’d image that Vespaqueens time diff was because of Swords dance being a quicker set up move. But I’m no expert. So I could be wrong. 4) someone else brought this up. They asked if Sniper would have been the better ability. But I imagine that Battle armor is superior just because no crits is better than some extra damage from crits here and there.

@tb12161991 6 часов назад

During your flight with the ghost gym leader the Pokemon on the side of the screen change after you beat her.

@cadencenavigator958 6 часов назад

As it turns out, in gen four Bide has +1 priority, so even if you made that Pachirisu slower it would have gone first with it. It also hits ghosts in this gen.

@TheKharymusic 3 часа назад

To chime in with everybody else who already said it, using acupressure knowing that it can boost evasion, then penalizing the mon for getting an evasion boost doesn't make a lot of sense. I get wanting to abide by the rules, but sometimes they're too stringently applied, like giving a speeding ticket for going 46 in a 45.

@beaky8138 7 часов назад

You likely already know this from playing 4x speed, but I find that alternating A and B when mashing through text is much faster when using speed up on an emulator. Might save a few seconds off future runs if not already implemented.

@andreapareti324 8 часов назад

15:09 I saw that small bit of the defeat from the two Drifloon trainer!

@Silver-Arm 5 часов назад

Reseting when you get an evasion boost is a good solution to allow you to use accupressure

@erikp5393 7 часов назад

28:56 Well, Lucian's Alakazam is faster at 156, but i guess Cyrus is fought much earlier, so Crobat's speed might prove more troublesome.

@MisterPuck 11 часов назад

Technically Bite started as a physical move in Gen 1 when it was a Normal move.

@_Vengeance_ 13 часов назад

Would you say any of the Pokemon you've done so far for Platinum is a reverse-whiplash Pokemon, where the early game before evolution is easier than normal, but the late game after evolution is harder than normal? I mean, I know it wouldn't be because of the evolution (it'd certainly be even more difficult without evolution), but still. If you haven't done such a Pokemon yet, an interesting thing would be to pick a Pokemon you believe could fall under that category.

@Dpmt 4 часа назад

I wonder if the optimal play is to prevent Skorupi’s evolution until 45, but use rare candies to bridge the gap and get the final moveset online sooner.

@banditrests 12 часов назад

If that’s your stance on acupressure, what about moody? That can passively boost evasion randomly as well.

@gamer19191 10 часов назад

I think for the future you should allow acupressure. A 2 stage boost will allow you to avoid hits 40% of the time, which is worse than confusion which is 50/50. I know that giving yourself a boost is better than debuffing opponents, and that the calculation above is considering each move to be 100% accurate at base, but acupressure is also random and unreliable. I know you avoid double team because its consistent evasion boosting, and nearly every Pokemon learns it. But acupressure is extremely rarely learned, and not guaranteed.

@27kap 10 часов назад

Could you change the code for Acupressure to not include evasion? While it could make for an abuse of the move, the challenge is more about what is possible, in the same spirit as taking out the trashcan puzzle and wild encounters in some areas.

@KromeDrone 14 часов назад

Hey Scott, now that you've done a good number of Gen 4 videos - when do you think you'll venture into Gen 5?

@soundmindwar 3 часа назад

Acupressure should not be banned. While it CAN boost evasion, it is not an evasion boosting move. I think it should be allowed but under the following conditions. The pokemon needs to learn it by level up and you can't use it if the only benefit in the fight is evasion. If there is no stat outside of evasion that gets you through the fight, then it should be banned. We don't ban dig or fly in gen 1 even though it causes opponent's attacks to miss. The spirit of the rule should matter more than the text of the rule. Or at the very least, if you truly don't want ANY possibility of evasion, you should mod the pokemon to receive a different stat boosting move.

@perkypenguin1663 9 часов назад

I think Acupressure is fine to use in solos, especially the way you used it.

@mastatheif9909 14 часов назад

Poison Bug types my beloved ❤

@Ysjoxkssjbd 15 часов назад

Wouldn’t accuracy lowering moves be the same concept of evasion boosting moves?

@williamstanley9048 15 часов назад

Only affects one pokemon per setup though.

@skilletus7334 10 часов назад

No because the evasion boosts work on all enemy Pokemon in a battle whereas accuracy lowering only affects that one mon

@kevinsips3658 12 часов назад

Definitely agree that acupressure should be allowed, and be a reset if it boosts evasion, but I don’t think those resets should count against the Pokemon at the end of the run. I mean, resets are probably a distant third in terms of importance of metric, so it’s not that important either way. I think the real time spent on failed uses of the move should definitely count against the Pokemon as well, since otherwise there’s incentive to keep using the risky move.

@StarLore00 6 часов назад

spinac between teeth made me lol lol

@Muzgrob 29 минут назад

Dont care much about backports. But excited for so many yellow vids!

@1stCallipostle 10 часов назад

Acupressure isn't (usually) considered banworthy under evasion clause historically. I mean you do you on it, I see the debate, I'm just saying there has been some level of historical discussion on this. A lot of finger pointing and name calling, but discussion nonetheless

@banditrests 11 часов назад

Just spit balling, but you may have also saved some time with drapion just because it’s only hit super effective by ground and can’t be crit

@marcadiusrose 9 часов назад

I think Accupressure should be banned from your plays outright. Your rules state "No evasion boosting moves until lvl 100". Acupressure is a move that can boost evasion. It is a evasion boosting move, even if it isn't always an evasion boosting move.

@imlrg9164 6 часов назад

Pitching in my voice to agree with the others that Acupressure is fine to use as is. You resetting when it caused an evasion boost feels to me like you resetting due to the Badge Boost Glitch in Gen 1: it's functionally unavoidable if you want to actually play the game/use the move, and it actively harms any Pokemon that doesn't/can't use it to it's full effect. I feel like the move is rare and interesting enough, so why not?

@johnokane1899 8 часов назад

i hope gen 5's first playthrough is with the larvesta line

@DiamondDM13 32 минуты назад

You should have either accepted the randomness of Accupressure or not use it/delete it for Rock Tomb.

@mickgorro 14 часов назад

I must have missed something: when was Fantina's Dusclops born? :)

@PraefMace 12 часов назад

I never played gen 4, but along with Weavile and Magnezone, Drapion is one of those pokémon I really like and tried to have in my gen 6/7 runs. Really cool design and typing. Edit: Gonna have to disagree with you there on the Acupressure, it is a RNG-based move, it isn't the same as using double team and it is part of the pokémon's moveset. By resetting each time you get an evasion boost, you are affecting the pokémon's time. You said it yourself in the past many times; you try to give each pokémon a fair shot during these runs, so this feels a bit contradictory.

@GymLeaderMatt1987 12 часов назад

Dark/poison gang: Alolan Muk line, Drapion, and Skuntank line, and Hisuian Qwilfish line.

@daman8492 14 часов назад

God I love Candice. I love gyaru. Pokemon needs more gyarus!

@BubbaJoeSwag 12 часов назад

When you were showing the stats of drapion it says “medium slow” instead of “slow”. Not sure if you’re aware.

@calem7332 6 часов назад

Did you find battle armor to he a noticeable benefit?

@morkoski6046 12 часов назад

If Metronome calls something like Double Team, would that be a reset as well?

@mastatheif9909 14 часов назад

Gamefreal not asdding multiple types to different Pokemon was a terrible choice

@Sakurasan2023 14 часов назад

My first Shiney pokemon was a zigzagoon

@Naxhus2 4 часа назад

I'll keep banging my drum as per always - if a pokemon gets level-up access to a move, it should be able to use the move in the playthrough even (especially?) if it's an evasion boosting move. Luck is a big part of the game no matter which pokemon you're talking about, and as long as not every pokemon uses exactly the same set I think this little bit of diversity could lead to some interesting analyses.

@michaelsmith6155 11 часов назад

10:39 I just thought you were right 😂

@jinxtheunluckypony 8 часов назад

You absolutely dropped Acupressure too early.

@pikminman13 14 часов назад

not often the preevo spends more time being used in the video than the evo

@JustinSabryt 13 часов назад

Another great run! In the future, maybe you could disable acupressure’s evasion boost? That way, you could use it as you want while avoiding unnecessary resets. Thanks for the content Scott!

@llSuperSnivyll 14 часов назад

20:40 The Growth Rate says "Medium Slow" 26:08 He also only uses female Pokémon, when it's almost always the case that NPCs uses Pokémon of their same sex. I remember using Drapion in my very first Diamond playthrough, back in, I think, was either 2007 or 2008, when DS emulators became able to play commercial games at a minimally decent speed. Ah, those times of NO$GBA... it was the playthrough where I decided getting in blind is a terrible idea in Pokémon, because I missed the chance to use Garchomp as a result.