Froslass-line Solo Challenge - Pokemon Platinum

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@Lotus_RT День назад

You going back to the Move Reminder with Froslass gave me a good idea for a possible solution to Byron, and I'm hitting myself for not thinking it! The answer? Wake-Up Slap! 4x Damage on the Bastiodon, and a better hit on the Magneton. Also another reminder: Saturn is male, not female :P

@ZhangLiao07 2 дня назад

I saw wake-up slap on the move relearner. May help ik future playthroughs for mons that are 4x weak to it

@archiiebarrett День назад

It does. I usually teach it to her on a play through in gen 4. A lot of Pokemon are doubleweak to fighting, and have low defense. It does a lot more damage than one would assume.

@ShadyScienceFeline День назад

In generation 8, evolved pokémon can also be reminded of their pre-evolution’s moves if they couldn’t themselves learn them by level-up. It looks like this is also possible in Scarlet and Violet, but there might have been some oversights that got fixed in updates (I’m looking at you, Breloom). In generations 3 to 5, pokémon can only be reminded of moves within their own level-up set. In generations 6 and up, there are additional categories of moves that pokémon can remember: Moves they hatched with (relevant for egg moves), event-specific moves, and moves known due to being encountered in some special encounter types (hidden pokémon, island scan, grand underground). In SwSh and SV, pokémon can also remember moves which they learned from a consumable item (TR in SwSh, TM in SV).

@MrMovees87 День назад

I’m sure Pryce appreciates his old Icy Wind move getting lots of use today!

@DwunD016 День назад

Poor Froslass. I cant wait to see Drapion tomorrow. I made it to 38:29. And no Scott, YOU'RE INCREDIBLE!

@myzelf99 День назад

Someone probably commented this. But Mars Purugly has thick fat resisting ice moves. Will your software ever include that in resistance calculations?

@john_sensei_ii День назад

I think return with the silk scarf would've done much better against Flint. His pokemon have a lot less physical defense than special defense and you probably would've one-shot the Houndoom and the Flareon. I'm not sure if you can get multiple return TMs in Platinum but if you can, that would definitely be the better option.

@redwings13400 День назад

I think you could have gotten further against Flint at 33:52 by using substitute against the Flareon, since overheat lowers its special attack by 2 stages. That said, if shadow ball didn't have the ohko range against Rapidash, then you're probably also missing the range against Infernape and Magmortar, so... yeah, I guess that wouldn't work. The rain dance/water pulse strat was probably the way to go in the end.

@megariderfire1994 День назад

Guess Saturn being a female and Fatina's lead pokemon being a Dusclops instead of the Duskull is now the new "Venomoth/Armaldo typing gag" of Gen 4

@silver_was_found День назад

"Are you a boy or a girl?" Saturn: Yes

@megariderfire1994 День назад

Wait, hold on...did I just call Fantina "Fatina"?! XD

@Dictionary_Remix День назад

LEST GOOOO Froslass is one of my favorite mons! Hope it gets a solo run on the future, where it's good traits can shine!

@T____W____7777 День назад

Looking forward to when this gets a rerank. This thing looks like it will change its moveset a bunch and push your strategizing.

@retloclive9118 День назад

Froslass might be a sign of things to come that the Ice and Ghost types struggle in Platinum. A lot of opposing Pokemon are Dark-type or have Dark moves to oppose Ghosts, and the Ice-type seems to run into walls against Fire.

@Snowstorm174 День назад

add in that the only thing ice resists is ice… defensively ice is really bad, and it doesn’t have a good matchup against many of the major fights in Sinnoh. The ice type is weak to steel (Byron), fire (Flint, e4), fighting (Maylene), and rock (Roark). It’s super effective into grass, flying, ground, and dragon, of which only grass (Gardenia) and ground (Bertha, e4) are used by major opponents. Champion Cynthia does have several pokemon weak to ice (Garchomp 4x, Togekiss and Roserade 2x), but she also has her Lucario, which can hit for super effective damage against ice with either of its STABs. Meanwhile, ice STAB is resisted by steel (Byron), water (Crasher Wake), fire (Flint, e4), and ice (Candice). Overall this means ice is weak to many major opponents and also struggles to get good damage using their stab moves against many of them too. I suspect this would be especially harsh in the early game with Roark, potentially against Maylene as well. If the mon gets good coverage, it should become easier, but if it doesn’t, Byron would probably cause problems. thank you for coming to my ted talk, I’m going to have to rewatch the video bc I got distracted yammering on in the comments 😅

@dvillines26 День назад

I think part of the problem is that this thing has a lot of options, and needs to switch things up strategically rather than simply relying on the same strategies. so if you get stubborn with it and try to ram square pegs into round holes, you have a bad time. also it dies to strong Fire and Steel attacks. but the fact that it's a mixed attacker with access to Ice, Dark, Ghost, Water, Electric, Psychic, and Fighting moves as well as Return means it doesn't ever really need to beat its head against a wall. idk there's just some Pokemon where the Scott playstyle is really, really bad for their first attempt.

@effy9526 День назад

A bunch of people already pointed out Wake-Up Slap for Byron, but just as a note: at 23:28 you say that the Bastiodon is scarier if you have your special defense lowered by Magneton's Metal Burst, but Bastiodon has no special moves. Its only ways of dealing damage are Stone Edge, which is physical, and Metal Burst, which is based on the damage it's taken. Byron really, really sucks.

@kylekingery5471 День назад

When I was young my brother gave me his game boy color with gold and it was the first video game I played. I don’t remember why but I’ve always had a special place in my heart for the snorunt line. I love snorunt and glailie, and then when they made froslass, I loved it as well. Not sure what experience I had with this line but it’s so nostalgic and will always be one of my favorite Pokémon evolution lines 💚

@shootingstardust97 День назад

Hey scott, just something that may help u with acquiring more pokedollar for your future platinum runs if needed. In these games, there are 2 ways to get the doubling money items, the amulet coin or the luck essence. Amulet coin - Amity square. Behind the bench, all the way north from the east entrance. If you are getting psyduck as a HM mule, it should be easy and faster for you to obtain as soon as u reach hearthome city. Luck Essence - Ravaged Path. In the north end of the cave (requires Surf and Rock Smash). This is more out of the way and requires more HMs, which makes getting the amulet coin the more optimal choice. Hopefully, with knowledge of these, it makes getting some of those notorious game corner TMs a bit easier and offers a faster alternative for you to obtain them if u need them to further optimize the play

@Wow1w 11 часов назад

the problem with the Amulet coin is that only "cute Pokemon" will be able to get it, due to the limitations for entering Amity square. It can be a way to give them an advantage for future playthroughs, though. The Luck essence, on the other hand, could be a possible option for mon struggling near the endgame and need a Game Corner TM to proceed. *edit* OOOOH, he can use the HM user to gain access to amity square! Ignore my second paragraph. 😅

@PieEyeToon День назад

I love the detail that, much like Glalie, Froslass is just a floating head and the 'body' is just a hollow decoy. She's like a Boo with extra long, gangly arms!

@bananaspice1967 День назад

You underestimate the power of Wake-up-slap on this thing. I think it could really help it out if you ever do another playthrough.

@aarondodson5804 День назад

Scott not gonna lie. I feel you did my 3rd favorite pokemon a little dirty. No biggie I look forward to when you eventually rerank it. Peace

@perkypenguin1663 День назад

Nice to see another Platinum video again! Froslass is an interesting Pokemon, so I’m happy to see it get some attention, especially in spooky month.

@rooislangwtf День назад

This run had some questionable decisions, but not surprised Froslass had a hard time

@Aelayer 2 дня назад

At around 14:30 the base stat total for froslass is off by 6 it should be 480.

@sepg5084 День назад

"Elite 4 are pushovers" proceeds to blackout/reset multiple times to them 😁

@silver_was_found День назад

yooo, it's one of my favorite Gen 4 mons! The thumbnail art looks amazing, Brian did a great job :D

@llSuperSnivyll День назад

20:24 Breloom: **cries in losing access to Spore**

@weebrahim День назад

I think froslass suffers from too much move diversity by the end, as well as the assumption of her being special focused, return, wake up slap, would've been very helpful

@jonathanfrank9207 2 дня назад

Double Scott exposure

@MatthewJemilo День назад

I loved the movement on Candice's gym leader animation!

@trevorbrooks274 День назад

This why I like your videos. You know how to make a proud pokemon fan. Also can do a video of Froslass in Gen 1 or 2. I would to see how she would be in a game when ghost moves are physical.

@KingOfMongrels1 День назад

I had a guess when you said a Poison/Dark type was up next. Great to hear it was the one I thought of!

@dwg-v1f День назад

Oh man the moveset. I accidentally used a snorunt in a dark type only nuzlocke of Emerald a while ago. Only after I beat the E4 did I realize it and Glalie don't have the dark type. 😅

@Naxhus2 День назад

Act like you belong

@Girthquake1488 2 дня назад

The wealth of surprises this month just won't stop, I love it 😭😭😭

@EthanEvans-nx7dn День назад

7:33 my theory is that since the AI in some pokemon games can roll damage for various moves as a critical hit and then when it uses the move it doesn't crit, Roserade saw the KO with a crit magical leaf and the situation described above played out

@pokemontrainerharryghost День назад

The real reason is she had already used her Super Potion on Cherrim lol

@EthanEvans-nx7dn День назад

@@pokemontrainerharryghost Gotcha I just over thought it 😅

@sw33t.angela 19 часов назад

Definitely need to replay this mon. Although it's tricky to play, the amount of resets to stubbornness and removing ice fang were the faults and it definitely can get a time in the 2:40-2:50 range at the very least.

@christopherustupski2316 12 часов назад

Sudowoodo really set up some teams in Scott’s life

@silver_was_found День назад

Glalie has always seemed like a physical attacker to me, just like Froslass feels like a special attacker. Kind of weird that both of them have balanced attacking stats, even Mega Glalie.

@PieEyeToon День назад

Totally agree! Heck, any kind of specialization would've been preferable to what Glalie got. An average BST spread perfectly evenly just means it isn't really good at anything. Froslass is at least fast but still suffers from mediocre attack stats. Personally, I'd have distributed their stats like this instead: Glalie HP:80/Atk:100/Def:90/Sp.Atk:60/Sp.Def:70/Spe:80 Froslass HP:70/Atk:60/Def:60/Sp.Atk:100/Sp.Def:80/Spe:110

@ZerglingOne1 2 дня назад

Gen 4 is my favorite. It's what reignited the spark of Pokémon for me as I became a young adult. I do love gen 1 still, but gen 4 felt like the peak in design around dedicated players. Everything just got so much easier in later gens.

@evawhite1144 День назад

Wow, Froslass did much worse than I expected. Like, I was really expecting it to do better, it's one of my favorite ice types. Also, hard agree on Froslass looking more like a special attacker. It catches me so off-guard, everytime I'm reminded it actually has equal attack and sp. Attack. Also, kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who gets annoyed when he says the E4 in this game are pushovers? The Sinnoh E4 is one of the most challenging in my opinion, they all have genuine good pokemon and coverage for gen 4 standards. They aren't even bad, he's just extremely overleveled in a solo run, not to mention this game has lots of rare candies you can pick up. That's the only thing putting him at an advantage, and he still struggles beating them sometimes. I don't want to sound mean, but I can't help but roll my eyes every time he says they're pushovers, while he's like, 20 levels higher than the E4, with rare candies still available in his bag, and still losing to them.

@metaloom День назад

He's saying they're pushovers for a solo run usually, specifically because platinum leaves you so overleveled by the time you reach them

@pikminman13 День назад

not that replays are happening anytime soon, but i think wake-up slap would be good for the byron and candice split. Lvl 52 52 Atk Froslass Wake-Up Slap vs. Lvl 41 0 HP / 0 Def Bastiodon: 68-80 (60.7 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (adjusted for the 111 atk froslass had at the time). candice and cyrus also take decent damage from wake-up slap, though i dont know which move you would replace.

@tristangray8046 21 час назад

for weather strats id reccomend using the underground to get the weather rocks to extend their duration. i know you dont want "infinite money" but nothing says you have to keep and sell everything, can just drop all items that arent actually gunna be used

@buttonychaff6679 День назад

Great video as always! I wonder if you'll do Skuntank vs Drapion (a poison dark duel) or maybe Mismagius vs Honchkrow (they're kinda counterparts; Murkrow is Diamond exclusive & Misdreavus is Pearl exclusive, and they're both found in the same places). Cant wait to see whats next!

@MsMissTasha День назад

Hi from the UK hope your having a good day love your solo challenges and hope to see an umbreon one this spooky month bye!!

@lorddelibird 2 дня назад

I’m feeling so spoiled today with the lunala vod, volcarona stream, AND now the snorunt preview.

@Randroth День назад

Hey Scott. I noticed two minor mistakes in the video: You kept bringing up the fact that your special defense was lowered against Byron's Bastiodon like it matters, but it doesn't. His Bastiodon has no special moves. Metal Burst is a Counter-like move. It does exactly the same damage like Counter or Mirror Coat, but it counters both physical and special moves. Its downside is that it does not have decreased priority. The second thing is a tiny inconsequential detail that I noticed in several of your last Platinum videos and it has been bothering me for some time, but I thought someone else would correct you by now: Commander Saturn is a man. You keep referring to him as a "she" for so long right now, I just had to say something. Mars and Jupiter are women, Saturn is a man. Otherwise, great video as always, I always enjoy your work!

@PraefMace День назад

Ahoy! Guess I managed to arrive early this time around! Looking forward to see what Froslass is capable of.

@justsomejojo 2 часа назад

This one made me painfully aware how out of touch I am with the wider Pokemon community nowadays. I wasn't aware the move reminder thing was widespread misinformation - there's a reason Bulbapedia has a pre-evolution only section for moves after all. It's incredibly obnoxious on baby pokemon because some of them get moves that really benefit their evolutions, but can't be learned by them. The way how relearning moves works was changed in recent generations (in SV you can even relearn egg moves and TMs, which still feels crazy strong) so I *guess* the misconception at least has a somewhat understandable root cause.

@metaloom День назад

Flint could have been so much easier if you used substitute. Flareon would have drastically lowered it's special attack and the rest of his Pokemon would have been easier from there

@alexrobinet7576 13 часов назад

This little buddy would be good for a backport too.

@nich6200 День назад

Poison and Dark tomorrow? Are you doing my goodest boy? Are we getting drapion?! Let’s gooooo

@bluethemew9273 День назад

Froslass is my Fav ice type Pokémon such a great design and change for a Gen 3 Pokémon, the backstories they give it spooky but also always annoyed me it’s a mix attacker but still good that it is, it and glalie have weird stats, though what’s very enjoyable about Gen 4 games is that you get Return at the start of the game but 90% of the Pokémon we have done so far haven’t used it, only a couple I can recollect currently have

@gmanz5 День назад

Fun fact about me: I’d never discovered Frosslass until Pokemon Violet. I thought it was new

@red-eyessolares1817 День назад

Something consider for the future is get the Choice Specs item at Celestic Town to help improve mon’s damage like with Froslass

@weebrahim День назад

Love how chilling froslass lore is

@ArchonZach День назад

In future generation you can relearn pre evolution moves if the pre evolution learned them although I'm not sure which generation that starts in.

@mistabrown830 День назад

The started allowing pokemon to learn their pre evolution moves in gen 8.

@javelin4646 День назад

We gotta get some art of Cesar, with that trainer name he sounds like a Pokemaniac in a Scizor costume to me lol

@pommyadam День назад

18:45 - look at all those flying types on his team with low defence stats would be a good idea to maybe use a STAB ice-type move that attacks physically? and rather than RareCandy, why not train on Iron Island pre-Byron, it's a neat little fetch-quest with the added bonus of testing out some ranges for the likes of Steelix (which can be found wild), and the levels are not-awful at mid-30s

@francescganau7679 День назад

I feel the problem with this Pokemon is being tricked by ilFroslass’s design into thinking it’s a special attacker, a sweeper. It’s offenses are so bad. Like, Skarmory’s or Graveler’s Attack levels of mediocrity. frosslass is a bad Pokemon for anything but setting Spikes and Destiny Bonding

@vincentwerts4724 День назад

I was hoping you'd play Weavile, but if I remember correctly, the razor claw is a very late game item.

@Playmaker-sama 2 дня назад

Vídeo de Scott que veo, vídeo de Scott que likeo

@banditrests День назад

I think part of the issue with weather is that it’s really hard to count the turns when playing on 4x speed. That and hail is kind of a weak weather until Gen 9, and really even then. Separately, I think you’re also consistently forgetting that froslass is a mixed attacker until pretty late in the run because it feels like it should be a special attacker.

@TheModdedwarfare3 День назад

Fun fact: Frosslass is adorable.

@salamense6791 День назад

I think the choice specs might have good to have.

@adventureoflinkmk2 День назад

0:13 and 8:43 why does that sound like a modified moltres cry 1:03 oh scott.. snorunt requires the gen4 female protagonists stone to evolve 😂

@deathby1808 День назад

Froslass is one of my favorites from gen 4!!!

@LTDextel День назад

4:53 It doesn't print any text probably because you have the animations off. I believe I remember since i played a lot of gen 4 growing up.

@jadeyfire День назад

I usually take out the rival’s Munchlax in double battles so he can send out someone useful and contribute to the fight

@TheSirtempest День назад

Gardenia used her super potion on the cherim in your kill so she didn't have it for roserade. The previous attempt you killed the cherim in one hit

@Orange5_5 День назад

Could it be an idea to get the choice specs from guy in celestic in the morning and use that to sweep flint without having to get the raindance TM in addition to the water pulse TM?

@JuscelinoVibecheck День назад

Ghost is virtually the same as Dark offensively, but dark is usually worse because it has more resists (Fighting + Fairy in Gen VI). Keeping Dark moves on a Ghost type will almost always be redundant

@trevorparker6400 День назад

*weaknesses

@arfrostbyte245 День назад

@@trevorparker6400 I mean, the comment wasn't wrong. They do resist it. And they were talking offensively not defensively. But yes it is weaker in both aspects.

@trevorparker6400 День назад

@@arfrostbyte245 i was referring to them labeling fighting and fairy as types dark resists. Dark is weak to them

@JuscelinoVibecheck День назад

@@trevorparker6400 I'm not talking about dark and ghost defensively, I'm just talking about them on offense. Fighting and Fairy resists Dark type

@trevorparker6400 День назад

@@JuscelinoVibecheck oh! I completely misunderstood. My bad

@christopherballero866 День назад

I always thought Froslass was a special attacker as I never saw anyone using a physical Froslass only either special or status/tricky moves like spikes & destiny bond. Hard to compete with: ice beam, thunderbolt, & shadow ball though using physical moves. I'm unaware of any good physical moves Froslass gets though compared to the aforementioned moves

@theone825 18 часов назад

Surprised you got rid of return, could have helped with flint. I know it’s not Gen 2 lol

@Witzwo1 День назад

I really like Fantinas Dusklops. But it beeing an Water/Steel Type i am supprised Snorunt or Froslass had so little problems.

@Wow1w 11 часов назад

ruh-oh, the overlay didn't update the Speed stat when you were paralyzed at 6:38, has this been fixed? if it has, maybe it might be an option to include a date in the description for when the run was played for the single runs to minimize false 'issue reports'?

@blazedehart2748 День назад

14:26 wait hold up. It goes from Ice to Ice-Ghost…. Does that mean it evolves by DYING?!! 😮

@HarryPotter-ie9uv День назад

I wonder how this pokemon would do in Gen 3 in a VS video against its split evolution

@jinxtheunluckypony День назад

Mixed attackers are consistently the most disappointing Pokemon in my experience. You’d expect the bonus options to be a boon but in most cases the game rewards specialization way more.

@ConnorJH94 День назад

Finally my favourite Pokemon 🥹

@lordskaro8171 2 дня назад

I had never considered that there was a way to inflict every status but freeze with certainty

@bigswole2133 День назад

I dare you to do a Grumpig Line or Claydol Line 😮

@arrowsty День назад

I just thought of a way to make the most dmg potential I think, opponent is bug/ice make it gain grass type with a move, switch to a fire type with as much special atk as possible Terra fire into sunny day then blast burn, I wonder how much dmg that ends up being

@MazterP28 День назад

Pryce enters the chat.

@wingofshu День назад

the roud 2 shouldcut alot of time now knowing what exact tem are needed and when

@SonicMeters День назад

Cool run I like froslass

@Reluxthelegend 19 часов назад

34:05 a super effect water pulse is just as strong as a regular shadow ball. I don't think water pulse makes a difference. EDIT: nevermind he noticed it later

@dakotak4362 16 часов назад

I don’t have any useful suggestions, I just think that froslass is just not a very intuitive solo Pokémon. I think it’s best time will be much better when you start reranking.

@MrVelyx День назад

Beaten by the metal hiker. Shame on the lass xc

@pupsparky808 День назад

I love Froslass!!

@thenerdbeast7375 День назад

That was a whale of a misplay overriding Ice Fang, you should have gone over Crunch because Ghost and Dark have the same coverage so it would have been redundant. Also you should have just relearned Icy Wind as it is better than not having Ice type stab.

@PrincessGoth574 День назад

I love Froslass, shame she didnt get better results, she does not do a lot of damage

@zalostlorendeathless День назад

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH 💖 ❄👻

@chrisdaignault9845 День назад

So Skuntank or Drapion tomorrow? Or both?

@LuckyLucifer25 День назад

It seemed like substitute stopped being useful after fantina.

@ceulgai2817 17 часов назад

Pro tip: Metal Burst doesn't work on Hail damage

@handanyldzhan9232 15 часов назад

12:24 Dennis The Menace lol. 26:38 Saturn is a he.

@Pephan День назад

I wonder why you don't get the powerful but inaccurate versions of the moves in the mall. You have access to solarbeam, fire blast, blizzard, thunder and hyper beam for few coins

@djeldj День назад

Flint would have gone way smother with choice specs which is obtainable in Celeste town you were close to ohkos so water pulse would have oked his mons

@TastyMeerkat День назад

Venomoth Fact #47: Many consider winter to be the most beautiful season for a multitude of reasons. Venomoth considers it due to the dance they share with the first ever Froslass in the heart of the coldest blizzard, once a year.

@ceulgai2817 День назад

So, uh, why are enemy mon stats and player mon stats in a different order?