Muy buenos recuerdos la turboland en extendido. Una de mis decks favoritas all-time!!!! Pendiente de la versión que dices azul verde tronco, yo me monté esta deck de todas las formas posibles jajaj, pentacolor de varias formas, con duress y todo, para progeter los cuernos y toda la chicha, y luego tricolor y bicolor tb. No tira ninguna jajaj Gracias por el video Fran ;)
Match 2 game 3: I think you could have cast Akroma. You had Exploration in play. Tap the Plains, play Treva's Ruins returning Plains, and replay the Plains.
The big issue I always encounter trying to make these 3 color control decks work is that I can never get close enough to the 21 U sources that you need for turn 2 counterspell, and then it kind of becomes "why am I playing heavy blue if I can't play counterspell" and it turns into something more like the GW control-ish oath decks every time. The squeeze between needing turn 1 exploration and turn 2 counterspell seems really tricky to get right. Especially because just adding a bunch of yavimaya coasts makes the gushes worse.
I found myself in this exact same spot, and that's why I was saying in the video that this may simply be a worse version of Rich's straight GW Oath deck, which only really splashing for Zur's Weirding, which is an extremely lategame card anyway.
Welcome to the channel! I usually play decks that I personally liked or that I find interesting, or that I can put my own spin to and hopefully improve (or in this case make worse, hahaha). I do have a "donation deck" option available (in fact this right here was an example of that, that's why I shouted Danny out at the beginning of the video). If this is something you may be interested in you can find the link in the description of the video.
That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes! I may revisit this deck at some point, cause I found it pretty fun. But as I said, I think just playing Rich's straight GW version may just be better.
soo I don't play this format but I watch all your videos on it, this deck looked cool to me and I always wondered what you could do with exploration in this format, from watching this play out I think you could take it 2 ways: make it like a bant oath control deck in which case I think you'd rather have mox diamonds over it, or maybe like 2 diamonds 1 exploration because exploration is better in the ultra late game, cut the etutors horn and the leaks to add 2-4 sylvan library, last counterspell and i dunno, maybe a last breath and/or another wrath? OR go deep into the other side of the deck, run like 4x horn of greed 4x exploration, have a small white splash for ray of revelation and sb mages/plows, you could even add more lands(up to like at least 28ish I'd say) and 1/2 mox diamonds, maybe go up to 2-3 treva's ruins since they do the quirion ranger thing when you don't have more land drops and you have exploration out(+they can also do the undiscovered paradise thing with horn of greed) and I feel like you'd really want at least 1 dust bowl in the 75 if you're going that direction. I think you referenced early in the video that you adapted some list with upheaval in it(?) for this but I think if anything you'd want 1 copy of that card for clock considerations on mtgo, because when you're running that many horns and explos you're sorta consistently drawing your deck in the mid-late game and getting to the time warp blessing loops while having oath shore up your early game against creature decks.
I agree 100% taking one direction and sticking to it seems like the best path forward. There's also the consideration of moving towards Wrath instead of Oath, and basically having G solely for Exploration, which in and of itself is only really actually good once you have Horn going anyway.
I never realized time warp was a card you could play with in premodern. I imagine you could play a deck like this thats playing more and going in on that effect. Also a potential home for retraced image which i havent got to cast since it was playable in legacy about 100 years ago...
Estoy jugando una Lands UWGr pero sin oath. Es bastante divertida pero no veo deck techs por ahi. He quitado incluso los oaths del banquillo porque contra aggro ya llevo Stp+ WoG + humility. Una carta que estoy probando es Smokestack, nosotros solemos desarrollarnos mas rapido sobre todo si hemos robado con el Horn. Por cierto, llevo 4 impulse, acompañado de 3 enlightened tutor para buscar piezas y 3 fact or fictions para depender menos del Horn.
Sacar Oath es una opción, pero estás sacando una de los aspectos más poderosos del mazo. Se corre el riesgo de que el mazo te quede como un UW control con un engine de ventaja de cartas distinto (y más riesgoso).
@@fpawluszmtg cierto, si nos cortan el Horn, nos quedamos un poco vendidos. Por eso la idea de llevar Fact or fiction, aunque con la cantidad ingente de tierras que solemos acumular Stroke of genius no seria descabellado
I love UG turboland but I cant really see it working with 3 colors. Once a friend said I keep trying to cover every corner instead of going for it and maybe that applies here too
100% agree. I honestly think that it's the green for Oath that kind of destroys the deck's mana, so I wonder if there's a way to build this deck base UW and splash for Exploration, which is really only good once you got the Horn engine going.
Your comments are pretty abstract and don't offer much insight, not much to learn from them. I'm always looking to improve myself, so if you could elaborate that'd be very useful!
@@fpawluszmtg While his comments aren't useful, I'll try to elaborate a bit here on the whole: Your playstyle very obviously favors generic powerful cards over synergy cards most of the time. Library being a perfect example. Of course in a MU vs BW control, a deck infamous for 25+ lands, library would likely be superior to horn. Especially when they aren't putting any real pressure on you. However, what this deck is trying to do at a fundamental level is start chaining cards together. There were many instances where you commented something along the lines of "if I draw horn, I'll be in a great position." But you cut that basically out of the deck and left it as a 1 of. This is a synergy deck, and so while you are correct that you don't always want to jam it ASAP, it does get the deck to operating speed. Once you are drawing 2-4+ cards a turn cards like FoF are not needed. Ego's list, or the recent vise/upheaval version of the deck I think operate a bit more cleanly. You did also run into the issue of getting clogged up with gushes, which you did also note at the beginning you went from the classic 3. It seems like "good card = 4" but in the case of gush in this deck, it's not the case. You did have horrendous luck with some of those top decks, but again, I feel like that is an issue Ego addressed fairly well with the inclusions of opts and impulses, in conjunction with his controlling elements. You ran into top deck mode with very little manipulation, and no way to turbo through the bad draws via horns just burning the garbage out of the deck. (This deck very obviously does want some hard counters to protect its plays, but im not sure leak is going to pull its weight as you ARE helping the opponent hit land drops as well.) I'm curious what you felt like Ray/seal helped with over the traditional naturalize choices? Lastly, I'll share what I believe to be the optimal manabase for this deck (with the understanding that you're running 4x horn). 2 City of Brass 4 Flooded Strand 5 Forest 8 Island 1 Plains 2 Undiscovered Paradise 2 Windswept Heath I think you encountered areas where you had no fetchables left, and I understand wanting to go up on fetches to increase the value of scroll rack, but I'm of the mind that the above is pretty fantastic for resolving spells. On the other hand, Treva's is absolutely something to consider and I think it's a good call to test it out. It was a good try and test of the deck. Clearly your wrap up at the end shows you know its not where you want to be yet, but a lot of that I think is addressed in more streamlined version of the list. Best of luck! Not a bash at all on you, but just trying to maybe put into words what this viewer was trying to go into detail on. We all have our biases for playstyles and lines and surely you're entire motto is trying to test your own version of decks, typically with generically good cards. Surely that is why your take on GR oath or BW control have been so popular! They're piles of generically good cards that many players can pick up and use! It may also be why your love of Alluren feels so out of place! That is a synergy deck mostly. This type of deck certainly involves playing to your win-cons at a very early point and knowing what you will need to do to get there. (I do think this deck just has some bad MU's as well, but I don't think the changes this time around helped in any large capacity!) As always, love the content, hopefully my wall of text is "slightly" more useful :P Ps. While playing this deck, you should absolutely expect to finish games with barely any time left. I've found even vs control that brainfreeze is a fantastic sideboard card as they will deck before you if they keep hitting land drops, dropping FoF's, etc. You'll expect to play around literally everything in your opponents deck, so you need to be prepared. (Looping counters, all 4 deeds, etc.)
@@3o7Mian Now this is a great answer! I agree with a lot of your points, and having talked to Iñaki (egosum on Discord) via pm definitely gave me a lot of perspective. I am 100% in agreement that this deck should be a 3-4 Horn deck or play no Horns at all. I am a bit skeptical of playing the full 4 Explorations, though, since they're really only good once you already have Horn, and once you have Horn you can probably find a copy soon enough (especially with Tutors). I am 100% sure that my approach here did NOT work, but understanding "why" is a lot more valuable that telling me "your approach sucks" without any further explanation, hahaha. Thanks for the wall of text!
@@fpawluszmtg Horn of greed is a key card in this deck and you only have one copy and two tutors. Why? you don't care if your opponent draws extra cards as long as you play more lands and draw more cards than them. Also you always tend to sideboard like if you were playing a regular deck instead of a combo deck.
@@CarloGoiff666 You are looking at this deck as a "stock" Lands deck, when my idea was to purposely move away from that and take a more controlling approach instead. Now whether or not that was a good move or not it's debatable (or not, it was DEFINITELY NOT A GOOD MOVE), but if you think about it in that way then that should answer your questions. As I said at the end, I did not like this list and the original-more comboey version of Lands is most likely better than this.
