Dreamworld - Goblins, Nuclear Water and ANOTHER Item Dupe 

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The Redemption arc for Dreamworld was pretty short lived.

"It was a Lord of the Rings trilogy of pain" is a quote I will borrow for real life, thank you.

The sentiment of "you can be proud of what you've made, but you have to realize when it just isn't fun" is definitely a very important thing to consider with game development - as I am much the same way. Hopefully I'll remember it going forward!

9:30 I think the actual issue of the game is that they have no idea what the game is they wanted to make, they just came up with features and put them in one EXE. They don't know what a game is, they didn't have a game in mind to create. Even if they hired the world's best devs to make their game, it would look polished as hell, but it wouldn't play like anything you would enjoy. It would be just a 3D virtual place to walk around in.

In my language the word for "giraffe" directly translates into "camel horse." I guess that is what the mount evolved into.

Been missing this series. Nice to have a new episode.

What's strange to me is the fact that they're now building a regular, typical MMO, while the pitch was originally a "sandbox"-like experience wherein you would be able to add multiple gamemodes, objects, etc. A platform that would be able to do "anything". How's that going?

I'm someone who enjoys these videos and never thought that Dreamworld was paying for them. I will never play this game, like ever, but its fun to see how an amateurish MMO got started and the progress and mistakes its made along the way. I hope we continue to get these videos every now and then

I'll give DreamWorld this much, it really does seem like the devs are trying. I thought it was a scam and they would run as soon as they had the money. But I have absolutely no faith DW will ever succeed. There's a huge difference between wanting to make a game, and being able to make a game... and it is pretty clear they do not know how to make a game.

Funny to hear that game dev is a lot like art: You spend hours upon hours drawing a certain thing, maybe even finishing an entire piece and then just have to be honest with yourself when things don't look right or don't convey what you want them to. Glad I'll be able to use my experience with soul crushing do-overs when I start learning game dev in the future :')

this series is great for new game devs to see and learn from, never stop posting dreamworld videos because you're teaching the next generation of game developers what not to do

What you said about building something and then having to scrap it hit me so hard. When I was designing a device for my senior project in college, I spent a month making a purely mechanical system to switch the batteries from in series to parallel for discharging/charging. After I showed it to the team and showed it worked, they bought a rechargable battery to use in it. I was crushed but I realized that my way, while interesting, was completely impractical. The mantra of any designer is "Fail Faster", and it is by far the hardest lesson to learn

Your comment on throwing out systems really hits home. Non-game programmers have to do this as well, perhaps less often, and it was a difficult one for me. My CTO said something that put it in perspective, “I’d rather throw away a few days of your work than have us maintain the wrong thing forever”

I appreciate your dedication to this game as it’s very interesting to follow. Aside from shits and giggles, I can’t understand why the average player would ever want to spent time and money on this game when there are so many better options out there.

The first scene of this video sent me into an existential crisis with the textures of the interior of that building. It legitimately frightened me

Funny you should mention about first time development. I remember my first attempt to make a game back in 2019 and it was a big learning experience for me. I'd never made anything like it before but I decided that I wanted to make it a real game as id had this idea in my head for years. The project would have been a first person horror game with five levels each with different gameplay. It was a mistake to try and do so many different gameplay systems rather than just one that could be fun. The game would go from being like PT or being like slender to even turning into a platformer at one point. I worked hard on it on off for about 6 to 8 months. Fair to say it didn't work out and I never finished it. I made so many mistakes in development ranging from messy code, not planning out level design, no tutorials, tones of bugs and that's just the start of it. However despite the fact the game clearly was pretty bad and sloppy I still hold a soft spot for it because I learned so much whilst making it. A few years later I've learned a lot more about game development since that project and understand a lot of my mistakes. I'm still early as a dev in many ways and do run into problems but I hope one day I can actually launch a game of my own and people will enjoy it. I do feel that more developers should talk about there first time making a game as that's not something that get's brought up enough.

Just for future reference, iOS if the OS for the mobile devices of apple. The OS for desktop ist called osx. Eitherway love your videos, they are funny and informativ, thanks and keep it up. :)

It's always such a trip to come back to Dreamworld after all the other crazy shit going on in the MeTaVeRsE

Let be honest. Dreamworld is so atrociously bad, you can't even call it a game. I'm watching your Videos for a looooong time now and I really love what you're doing. I'm working as a Programmer in a german Gamedev company for two years now and love my work. I enjoy coding code to fund fun. But seeing this abomination that wants to call itself a game... is just bad... and sad... I don't see anything thats worth in Dreamworld that makes me want to pay any amount of money or spend any amount of time on it. I'm amazed how you're able to spend so much time on this... thing... Thank you so much and keep up your work, Callum!

As someone who hasn't seen this project in like a year, I'm shocked there's something approaching the resemblance of a game.

I love how the talks on this project went from "dumpster fire" to "get your heads on straight" to critique and praise where it is due. Yeah it's mostly shovelware but it's not completely impossible to develop something great out of bought assets. Though if they go down the nft route... just no lol.

The operating system on mac is called MacOS, not iOS (iPhone) :P

I only just today heard about DreamWorld, and have quickly binge watched all of the drama while I was working to catch up with what happened. So when I clicked on this video, I was actually surprised to see what can technically be called "a game". This feels almost like The Producers, where these two knuckleheads tried to scam people and are now being forced to scramble and create a video game with zero know due to a few RU-vidrs pointing out the scam. I feel like these two are in prison, and people like Callum are their wardens making sure that they carry out their sentence of spending hours upon hours creating something that will never realistically work.

Really glad you are back making Dreamworld videos! Sucks that some people always try to come up with conspiracies about everything, but yea, they just have nothing better to do with their time. Keep up the good work! Dreamworld is such a fascinating and horrific story, all packed into 1. It is so weird lol

Just to nitpick: iOS is the OS for apple mobile devices (iPad, iPhone). OSX or now known as MacOS is the OS for apple Desktops.

20 years ago, when I was playing Tribes 2, got involved with a developer, who was using the engine to make an RPG with up to 64 players. One guy, working by himself with tech that is now ancient. And yet, the test levels we played on his server looked better than this.

Hard to call Dreamworld a game. It's about as much fun as seeing what happens when you keep scrolling down an infinite excel spreadsheet.

Ahh I miss these dreamworld videos, it’s how I found you!

So good to see this new episode! I missed this drama series 😁

Backers of this project were basically paying a couple of guys to start learning basic game development.

I also enjoy looking at how this is progressing. Thank you

no matter how you swing it, dreamworld is a minecraft clone with an identity crisis and a backer wishlist as its main dev todo list.

The animation doesnt go too slow or fast for the horse. It keeps the same consistant animation speed, but the rate at which you move becomes really fast or slow, but the horse keeps the same persistent speed. So it looks seriously janky and awkward.

Good video, I have to say, before I thought DreamWorld was just a scam but after watching all your videos about it I'm almost inclined to change my mind. Don't get me wrong what they did for advertising and funding was still VERY scummy, but maybe, JUST MAYBE it was not malicious with intent to scam, but more of just incompetence and inexperience and that they did intend to make the game they said/promised they were making until it came time to actually make it and their inexperience caught up to them. Or it could still just be a big scam and they are only planning on doing the bare minimum to release all the backer rewards to cover their legal bases to avoid any lawsuits. I am starting to kind of lean the other way, but it won't surprise me if they just cut and run as soon as the bases are covered and are not in danger of getting sued

I love these, simply because when you release a Devlog for Nightmare world I'm even more amazed at the comparison lol

Please keep up with this project man, I love seeing it develop, and your reporting is way better than what I can scrape together on its status. It's like a camera at a Russian intersection .. always interesting to watch :p Thanks for creating this series on Dreamworld.

You can't deny that Dreamworld is one of the games of all time!

I think many games struggle with the lack of genuine reasons to build something at some point or another, especially when there is already some kind of established "meta" where either guides/tutorials will tell you how to set up things and which structures and items to deem useful and worth your time or not or when people will directly and maybe with one finger near the kick vote button tell you in multiplayer to do it either the way xyz or get lost. Like, in "Don't Starve Together" I of course could build many walls around my base or set up extensive trap fields for enemies. But walls can burn down or are easily destroyed by bosses literally just moving through them, and both walls and traps consume large amounts of resources that instead could be spent on something more useful and less fragile. Even that aside there are many RNG-ish hostile elements in the world - why even make a big, fancy base in it to begin with when it all it takes is one silly mistake to lose it all and render your time wasted and thus (in a sense) non-respected too? And that basic question is only bigger in multiplayer where you are supposed to survive with others and not make their lives potentially harder by wasting valuable (non-renewable) resources on stuff that is totally far away from the "meta". I notice such an "inconsistency" in open world sandbox-survival games between theory and reality quite often. You have like these hypothetical endless options, but will you actually ever use them? I have come to realize: "No, proably not." If I ever go beyond the purely necessary than that is only because out of spite and boredom, because I actually want to build something big and fancy or just silly to test the engine and the technical boundaries - but certainly not because of any actual relevant gameplay implications. No, that large tower in "ARK - Survival Evolved" that I'm gonna be kissing the sky gods with will not help me tame some super rare dino lurking in the stratosphere or kill some nasty moon boss that I would otherwise never defeat. I'm just putting it there for the lulz. Of course if a game is only out long enough there will always be some kind of "meta". But it still bugs me a bit, this discrepancy. And the technical limits always seem to be left out but should be mentioned more often: even if I can do lots of stuff in a game, who knows when the engine will give up and the game start dropping really bad in FPS or my save file gets corrupted or whatever. This is just as important today as it was yesterday, seeing how projects like E2 are promising the world and nothing less but at the same time people neither using similar PC hardware nor the same platform (PC vs. consoles vs. handhelds) to begin with. There is a totally good reason why I don't play open world survival-crafting games on my Playstation but only on PC instead. Sure, I don't need an absurd amount of time spent on some silly RNG-implementation to get my first pickaxe crafted in ARK or to get a bow in "The Forest". But this can also go wrong the other way. You hoping to not lose that hard-earned first pickaxe in DreamWorld, there can be a certain value to that - mostly methaporically by you appreciating having done this... incredible (?) feat but also like when you were actually down to fully embrace NFTs and the monetization of gameplay. ("Mint your precious tier 1 bone pickaxe and sell for a minimum of 500 USD!"). But I guess I can see how risk vs. reward or time spent vs. things earned can be a tricky thing in game development and that DreamWorld isn't doing too well there. When in doubt it's probably wiser to design things on the easy side. I sure as hell wouldn't have the patience to go through such a chore. But on the other hand I find games like The Forest too easy, the way items and resource nodes are hardcoded to respawn at specific spots forever and ever and ever in a relatively short span of time. How does that fit into a horror-themed game where you are supposed to struggle for survival? Exactly: it doesn't. TL:DR: making a worthwile game loops seems like really hard work.

This game is what happens when you don't sit down and draft a storyline. But to be fair they have said multiple times that this game doesn't have any linear content...it's strictly a build sim.

Goblins for some reason? Goblins don't need a reason.

Callum slowly drifting lower and lower in the frame each episode, don't fall off the edge 😳

The word your looking for is game flow, its a critical part of the game development process which should always be one of your design pillars

I really enjoy these videos, I like to see where things end up with "Potential Spam" games. I also really enjoy how honest you are about it all, once it became clear they were not just dipping out with the money you have given them a fair (even if critical) shake. I feel like a lot of the other people covering this game kind of stopped because it wasnt a rug pull or a scam (other than the sense that they very clearly over promised stuff they could never dream to produce) Cheers Callum keep up the good work

After following the story this far, it's fun to watch what they come up with next.

2 minutes into the video and wondering if the goblins are store bought.

fun fact on this... that loading screen is just asymetrical loading screens plugin... they literally didn't change anything, other than the name and bg image

As I understand bones are like buried tresures. So, they could add an excavating ability. By doing excavation, you earn more knowledge and you can specify what you are searching to excavate. Certain levels will unlock specific items as filters for your excavation. But those filters would not show you the exact location of the item but a small area where it could possibly be.

I think they should just contract you guys to help develop their game. Not only would you guys make the game better, faster... You are one of the biggest sources of information for this game. You could show your audience actual progress being made and plenty of people might actually come play it. They have plenty of money to make you guys a fair offer and partner up. I sure would miss these videos shitting on DreamWorld though.

I’d kill for a look into their planning meetings. I have so many questions. Such as: 1) Do they have planning meetings? 2) Do they use scrum/sprints? 3) What is their decision making process? 4) Do they have a decision making process? 5) How do they prioritize updates? 6) Do the devs and designers they hired even talk to each other?

Water pros: coloring is nice, reminds me of Crater Lake in OR Cons: animation makes my eyes bleed

Can't believe this is a game in 2022 and they've spent years on it. You had better looking games 20 years ago that were much harder to make.

Finally a Dreamworld video! :D

Everytime you said iOS it really hurted. What you mean is MacOS. And yeah, whilst MacOS is bad for gamers, because most of the hardware supporting MacOS is not even meant for gaming, the OS itself runs more stable for professionals and is not "just bad" :)

Of note too. I was wondering why the "attack effects" I guess I'd call them? Of the goblins hitting you and when you punch them, looked vaguely familiar to me. It's cause it's from valheim.

I think I had a nightmare of standing by a beach while the ocean water swelled up much like the water shown here. It was like the ocean was angry and planning to swallow me whole. Needless to say I'd rather have that nightmare again instead of playing this game.

wow, lookin good!

Even when Dreamworld eventually ends, I hope they try again. Maybe not with a crazy MMO, but something that's a balance between doable and ambitious. It'd be cool to see a gamedev career that started as a faceplant blossom into something better.

I remember a project I started working on in Uni which was initially a Grass physics test, this expanded into a full idea on a game and took approximately 6 months to get to the point it was up to. I quickly realized it was out of scope when I was spending 90% of my time creating assets to add to the game rather than working on the game mechanics. The ideas I had were overly ambitious for one person, but I think if I were to go back to it (as I was almost complete for having all the assets required for the main POI) i'd probably turn it into an adventure game involving various different basic quests to complete, the problem is that the stealth system was only half-way to being completed, and the combat was a basic prototype at this point. Developing a game takes a lot of time and effort to do properly, I have since gone on to develop mobile games and it still now takes me months to complete a game (Doesn't help with how terrible it is to develop on Android when using Unreal Engine though)

Hadn't gotten any notifs of your new videos for a while so I came in to see what you'd been up to and wow, seeing that this is the current state of dreamworld is so sad. A while back it had almost seemed like they were slowly getting their shit together - but seeing that the player character still looks like a horrific goblin-monster hardly more human than the goblins you fought. Ouch. I feel so bad for the people duped out of their money on this. Human shrek if human shrek gave up on himself.

No word yet on whether Zach and Garrison's little existing motivation left them, eh?

We need dreamworld videos every 2 days.

We are so invested in the story now, you can't stop making updates! Maybe not to frequently though...

Great video, I do like hearing about Dream World because god knows I'm never going to play it myself

iOS !== macOS/OSX

My first development project was a simple endless runner game that relies on just pressing on the screen as fast as possible so you don't fall down. It is quite bad game on so many levels and it's no longer published anywhere. It was precious learning experience and I did many many mistakes that I had to work on later. I finished it in 2017 but the thing is I was proud of it and wanted to make money with it so I can build my first gaming desktop but I couldn't bring myself to put it on sale instead I relied on ads that earned exactly 0€. Now dreamworld is bad on as many levels as my first game and I can say that they managed to keep the promises but the game will never be a MMO in the definition of MMO, it's MO and with people buying the game out of curiosity only it will never be able to keep devs afloat.

13:15 Look at that goblin's animation! It's freaking possessed by the Elder God!

The appearance of the jump (can you even call it an animation?) How far it goes and the landing just hurts my soul because of how bad it looks.

10:34 Lad, you described Minecraft there, I think XD

"I stopped making Dreamworld videos for one reason" ...the water.

Dreamworl literally looks like someone wrote a bunch of random binary numbers into a text file and renamed it to .exe

i think they'll abandon it, but not cut and run. i think they'll try to kickstart another game. no idea what kind of game they want to make, but i can see a passion to want to make a game, its just when a game is this atrociously unfun it's probably the wisest decision for them to start from scratch

end of dream worlds about zack as the skelitor ass master from end of time somehow just gets more and more acurate every day huh

I appreciate the dreamworld videos. If they're going to make tons of money or have donators/investors, they should show what they have and what they're working towards.

This has got to be the only timeline where Dreamworld is more likely to become an actual game than Titanreach :(

Great advice,

Oh god, I see some wind wisps in there that behave identical to the ones in my tutorials lmao. On the plus side, at least they made them :D

Good on the devs for sticking through it up to now. This has been quite the saga

Always look forward to your dreamworld updates. Hard to believe they can just take away your mount and give you another one you didn't ask for. Like they stripped away your Spectral Tiger and gave you a Dire Wolf instead...

It seems from the last fight with the Goblins that they do in fact have telegraphing: swinging their sword in the air. Also looks like they drop loot. Or am I wrong ?

Learned how to roll a few months back and been working on it irl. That forward roll looks like it hurts

Well, I agree that assuming you are payed by DW Dev´s is insane, but more videos about it is more exposure. I´m 100% sure there are some people who have like 30$ or w/e is costs rn to burn to experience the same stuff you have for giggles. But in the end that will drag the end of DW just further out. They should have stopped when they realized "oh shit it aint that ez" , cancel the funding, write a nice letter from that they learned and make a Single Player game out of the leftovers. They could have started a new fundraiser for that SP game or even better: Take their own money and make that SP Game a Demo and if it´s sound with the community you can expand from there. Having a playable Demo on Fundraiser start is a very big plus imo. For me that would be even a bigger signal of growth instead of trying to form a pile of sh*t into something that looks like it has value. Admitting to mistake and making the right moves based on that is something way more attractive then w/e they are trying here. Sry if I came off in my previous comments as a negative Andy but I really like your content but I´m really not a fan of DW and the way they choose.

Gotta love integer overflow.

As an aspiring game developer, I never want to be in the position of the Dreamworld devs, because if they truly want to make the game and do not intend this to be an outright scam, then they are truly and utterly clueless about how game DESIGN works. If it's just the two of them with one or two other developers, then yes - they should be proud that they've managed to develop what they've developed so far, but the issue is that there is no clear direction in the design of the game, no systems that compliment eachother, no fun or engaging gameplay. A game is at its core an entertainment product - fun and spectacle matter. If you make things for the sake of having running code, then you're simply developing a game *without designing it* - and that's a big problem.

an employee is not only their salary but administration costs, health insurance, etc

Dreamworld, the epitomy of Don'ts' in game development.

What a treat.

Callum, I have no idea how you stomach this giant turd, but thank you for choking it down and reporting on it.

I got into game dev exactly 7 days ago explicitly because these guys make it look so hard. I continue to be baffled by every decision they’re making; like yea their assets suck, and they somehow fucked up the physics, and every system they create is wonky as hell, but behind all of that are a bunch of brains that consider these all to be LOWER priority than… continuing to… make more mistakes? Correct me if I’m wrong, but if none of your components function on their own, then won’t they all break each other every update? Why don’t they just make *an asset* they’re happy with before implementation XD

I enjoy the DreamWorld vids!

Better than Elyria, honestly. It's...something, but not entirely nothing. Even if barely.

7:35 i love how every time you roll the character does a halfhearted dab, maybe its dreamworlds way of dabbing on the haters :)

The come back of Dreamworld.... let's go.

There's already a 'make your own game' game out there, it's Dreams on the PS4.

Been following this for awhile now and the one question that always nagged at me is "What the hell is the point of this "game"?" It doesn't seem to be for doing quests since I don't see any NPC's standing around waiting for some one to take their quest. It seems to me that the devs are just throwing crap against the wall waiting for something to stick.

I agree with you on "How Dreamworld Will End"

I know this vid is old but I think your mount turned into a sad version of an alpaca

back in 2001 i did a sandbox using irrlicht drawing everything on autocad and was better than this 0 dollars. internet is a mad house

"Whatever the fuck this is" sums up the game pretty nicely

Are all the scars in the land from other players digging or is that just how DreamWorld does it's terrain generation? If so that is ugly as heck.