DRIFT vs GRIP: Which is Faster?

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Grip or Drift, which is fastest in racing games? Today we’re going to be finding out the answer to one of life’s biggest questions. Now i know some of you are rolling your eyes. Whenever a tyre is out of traction, we get almost no acceleration out of it. So of course, grip is faster ALL of the time right? Well, no.
I’ve done some rigorous testing. Three different drivetrains and types of corners in racing games like forza, gran turismo and sim titles such as assetto corsa. And, this is what I found… Let’s start off with your bog standard, right angle corner. It requires a short brake to shift the weight of the car forward, giving you more grip to turn in and hit the accelerator before you hit the apex. You then exit as wide as possible to gain as much speed for the following straight.
And we’re starting off with a bang in the front wheel drive civic. And no, it’s not VTEC kicking in. Unbelievably, it is an entire hundredth of a second faster whilst drifting than gripping. But, why?
On the drift run, instead of pedal braking, I ripped the handbrake. This means slowed the car less, and the front of the car was already pointed towards the apex way before grip was. Then, all I had to do was stomp the accelerator to line the car back up, and get a fast exit.
But the same can’t be said for all wheel drive. By the apex, grip already had a massive lead, and by the straightaway, it was over 4 tenths of a second ahead. Rear wheel drive was closer, but drift ultimately lost by some 7 hundreths of a second. That may not sound like a lot of time, but in a race scenario, that is a lifetime on a corner by corner basis. If you lost seven hundredths of a second per corner for an entire race, you’d end up 30 seconds begind.
Moving onto my favourite corner in this test, the hairpin. Although this one isn’t your typical hairpin. It requires more of a double apex, than a hug the inside or late apex approach. Either of which would result in you scrubbing off too much speed.
In the front wheel drive car, I chuck it in as hard as possible. Once again trying to get a straighter shot out of the turn. But, the girth of the corner makes this approach poor, and grip gets a much faster drive out of the turn, rendering drifting useless. Once again, rear wheel drive was closer, but grip was once again victorious.
But, here’s the interesting part. In my impreza, drifting had a massive lead even by the half way point. This is because I knew I could throw the car into the turn sideways, and the all wheel drive system would dig me out of the corner. This is something that is only possible with four driven wheels, if attempted with two, it would result in a massive hemmorage of precious time. However, once launching out of the corner, grip began to catch up, as I didn’t need to regain grip. But, overall, drift was a huge .12 seconds faster.
However, let me warn you. Despite drifting obviously being the best approach for this particular turn in this particular car, you shouldn’t do it. Sure, if you’re hotlapping and are striving for a single fast lap, go bonkers. But, over an entire race, if you drift this corner every single time, it’s going to overheat and wear your tyres, making you slower over the entire length of the race. Not to mention, drifting is dangerous with other cars around, especially if they’re not expecting it.
Now I know what you’re thinking.. “What about a proper touge hairpin, a closed hairpin, in which you practically have to stop the car to enter. You know, the ones that are actually recommended to be drifted”
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@nightflash96 Год назад

I feel like some of the reason why you might want to drift on a touge hairpin is that, althought the time is very close or slower, you can enter the hairpin much faster and lose speed in the drift, which sometimes, in a race, will allow you to get ahead of someone who brakes early, to grip the corner.

@strzelamcementemzlokcia1030 Год назад

To be honest there are only two reasons you drift on touge(not in 4WD im no expert on that) One because its fun and second you can on some certain corners go faster with 4 wheel drifting in RWD. But 99% of the time even 4wheel drifts are slower/equal to regular grip driving

@mintango9087 Год назад

also, when leading on a mountain pass, while the times may be slower drifting a rwd car if the lines are right then you can have some incredible defense by taking up much more of the road while keeping the gap by the apex closed. much harder for clean passes

@strzelamcementemzlokcia1030 Год назад

@@mintango9087 True. But it is a veeeery risky move. Looking at how severly it will backfire if you mess up even a little bit.

@peesche Год назад

Clutch kicks?

@nightflash96 Год назад

@@strzelamcementemzlokcia1030 touge races are all about the risk. They're never not dangerous!

@standard-carrier-wo-chan Год назад

Seems like it's ultimately comes down to how much grip you have/need. Drifting gives you much higher friction compared to grip, so in scenarios where a quick stop-quick launch is possible, it always comes on top. The problem with RWD is that once you initiate a drift, your rear tires stops having grip, making it nigh-impossible to do that quick launch part, while AWD and FWD has the advantage of the front wheels still having ample grip to quickly launch forward after the rear wheels lose grip.

@FuntimeAG Год назад

Nice video! I like those kind of experiments. Theres a little downside to this though. Despite drifting being faster in some cases, thats only because you're showing the difference in sections. Exit speed matters much more than a corner section and i gotta say you need to work a bit on your trail braking. Gripping is always faster on circuits but what's most important is braking. You can steer however you like but you have to get the best braking approach as possible. That being said if you sacrifice the corner entry for a faster corner exit it will result in a gained time. Drifting is meant for narrow roads with less visibility like the mountain pass but even then the drift you should utilize is grippy and speed concentrated. You purposely have to dive your car into the corner to get a better approach, just like you said in your slip angle video. The drifts you're showing here do get faster entrys but they lose like 20kmh in the mid section, because the car straightens up everytime. I look forward to seeing more videos related to these complicities.

@shadyomo3636 9 месяцев назад

My view on it is that it's about judgement, drifting can be a helluva lot faster than grip on certain corners, but there are also plenty of corners where drifting isn't necessary and WILL slow you down, plus whatever comes after that, the car itself, and the conditions all determine what is the best course of action. But i also gotta say, using the handbrake to drift is gonna slow you down way more than just using the foot brake

@isellcrack3537 Год назад

I`m surprised that the "slip angle" technique wasn`t mentioned here o.O edit: even more so when you have in mind that there is a whole video dedicated to this on this channel

@TSRB Год назад

Perhaps you might want to watch this slip angle video xd ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P_PDkWtvyFs.html

@genjieching2016 Год назад

This guy made tutorial entertaining by the edits

@yeehaww4892 Год назад

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@benfennell6842 Год назад

Why would i need this question answered seriously?

@jo-fhreycorpuz 9 месяцев назад

Downhill test

@firewizard6800 Год назад

thx, now i know

@totsugeki4t4everyone91 Год назад

Rally driver and co-driver:hairpin over "cut" and 4 medium left Track driver and circuit racer:Thats cheating but its faster This is a joke btw still nice video

@aliwe2263 Год назад

Can someone tell me the game name?

@TSRB Год назад

Assetto Corsa

@aliwe2263 Год назад

@@TSRB thanks

@tomasvintur9501 Год назад

Than why takumi was faster on akina using drift than the r32 that use grip? ')

@ActionPlayer734 Год назад

Key words: downhill, horsepower difference, body weight difference The 86 being lighter and having less horsepower allowed it to be more aggressive on the downhill than the R32, and because the R32 was so heavy it took alot more braking to slow it down for a corner, a because of its heavy body it eventually wore it's tires out to where it couldn't steer that well and had to slow down more for the corners to avoid understeering, and we all saw what happened in the end when he tried to push it again to try to get back in front of Takumi

@ksweew7476 Год назад

Initial d is partially realistic . But the ae86 is so light that it doesnt suffer from swinging the car around all that much compared to an r32 that is so big and long that griping is just mendatory , you dont have the option with these cars that are really made for race tracks big and wide compared to an 86 that is compact and did rallying

@MGdrifts Год назад

i think you're drifting way too much on rwd. they key is to rotate the car faster not to drift all the way.

@AustinHampton594 Год назад

I feel like documenting the exit speed at the end of the finish line would be very useful as well. Since if the straight is huge any small speed gain will compound for a faster lap

@jout738 9 месяцев назад

I have seen that in online racing games nobody really drifts, because the exit speed is much more important, that you only get a lot, if you brake for corner and then go full throthel instead of drifting. Drifting looks cool, but its the exit speed from corner, that you will lack with, if you decide to drift.

@D0gsbody1 Год назад

coming from someone that’s played with fwds at limits irl, the fwd drift only works properly if it’s an inertia drift. you’re relying on the car to load the suspension itself to maximise grip on the longer or shorter corners without sacrificing speed. very hard to get properly right but definitely an advantage. shorter corners like hairpins and such would more rely on the good ol’ Scandinavian flick, this pulls the rear around without flat spotting the tires. again, very hard to get right and i haven’t attempted it many times due to it almost going wrong on me last time i did it. cars :)

@kisbalintkirill4443 Год назад

And also the flick is way better in loose surfaces than tarmac.

@ndrb7596 Год назад

I haven’t figured to drift on dry road with my cobalt LT besides doing a slip angle by entering corners with a death wish. Kinda useless though since it’s a stock I4 weighing 3200 lbs

@tatewaki11 Год назад

@@ndrb7596 3200...damn

@derblaue Год назад

@@ndrb7596 "doing a slip angle"? What does that even mean? You don't do slip angle, tires always have slip angle. Driving at the ideal slip angle is gripping, not drifting.

@ndrb7596 Год назад

@@derblaue yeah I haven’t figured to blatantly drift besides a little slip having the nose slightly more inward than a normal entry. Never said it was drifting

@sooryan_1018 Год назад

Short, precise and accurate. Thank you for your content (now make a Cobra maneuver tutorial for a MIG-21)

@hotdogcar6618 Год назад

maybe after how to not die in a flat spin or save yourself from a stall in a mig-21

@voidvisual Год назад

proof that Bunta knew all along.

@HPsawus Год назад

There’s nothing more satisfying than accidentally sliding through a corner and shaving a few tenths of a second off

@martyguild Год назад

if you enjoy that feeling, you should play dirt rally 2.0 :)

@rusher5283 Год назад

@@martyguild Yes, that game is so fun, especially with a wheel.

@sr71sr71 Год назад

in all of these situations, what about that kind of middle point. Using the brakes, weight shifting, and letting the cars 4 wheel drift mid corner where youre still steering in, in most situations. There, youre both sliding into or at the mid point but usually gripping from mid-out. Also, for certain turbo cars, a light slide can help keep engine rpm up and not let the power bog.

@codysimonson6260 Год назад

So, small angle drifts. F1 drivers do this a lot because you literally get the most traction from the tires at small yaw angles. If I'm remembering correctly the sweet spots are 1-3 degrees on tarmac and something like 6-12 degrees on softer terrain like dirt, gravel and snow. Obviously making sure you have the proper tires for the application.

@sr71sr71 Год назад

@Cody Simonson Right, and you can even see that in tv coverage when the rear tracks out a bit. You even see it in ither forms of racing on asphalt too. That being said, Id love to see it compared directly to these and where the +/- point is.

@demonrox1228 Год назад

Isn't that basically slip angle? He has multiple videos on that being the fastest way through a corner

@sr71sr71 Год назад

@Demonrox122 Right but I want to see that compared directly with this to kinda gauge it on an even keel

@datboi_gv7957 Год назад

I like to take references from real life. for example, if you watch the old lotus cortina’s racing at good wood, through a majority of the corners, they are four wheel ‘drifting’ with minimal countersteer. This is similar to takumi’s technique, and I have a suspicion this part of the inspiration for it. They are doing it for the same reason as takumi too, since they are driving lower powered cars, they need to maintain as much speed as possible, hence, four wheel ‘drifting’ (its more of a slide than a forced drift)

@arinb.756 Год назад

Harder tires is also conducive to this

@woodensauce1063 Год назад

@@arinb.756 First person I see to have mentioned this. 80s/90s tires are a joke compared to the extremely sticky compounds we have today.

@Delimon007 Год назад

Old cars had to drift because they were boats that didn't steer. The old tyres being used didn't grip for jack either so you were better off carrying too much speed into the corner and using the inertia. For newer cars this would just be straight up slower with how much more downforce and traction they have.

@datboi_gv7957 Год назад

@@Delimon007 thats what my point was, how drifting is faster for older cars

@serial_sequence2k Год назад

Tsuchiya’s main inspiration, Kunimitsu Takahashi was also one of the first to drift in racing. It actually was faster back in those days because the tire compounds were not as grippy as they are these days.

@badass6300 Год назад

So the setup with the most grip is fastest when you drift, the irony in that is just crazy. I assumed that RWD would be the best for drifting, but I guess I was wrong.

@adlannizar60 Год назад

It is best for drifting. But for beginners, since you don't have a lot to do make the car go under-steer.

@khelmotovlog4890 Год назад

For me drifting is useful when I made an overtake and then immediately defend/blocking

@IbrahimAli-wi2ui 9 месяцев назад

Honestly, drifting isn't done to go faster, but instead, people drift for fun.

@Xerxes1337 Год назад

True but every corner is defined by what's coming after it. We should compare exit speed for straights and car placement for the next corner

@zulik9831 Год назад

drifting in tight corners its better for surviving than for being fast, also drift its only good in rally and touge, fwd drifting isnt recomended, but an oversteery setup its, you dont want to use the handbrake, can you test it and do a video about it?

@wrighteously Год назад

you're the man! your videos never dissapoint

@spike1269 Год назад

Good video, there are some other cases in which drift might be faster, for example, if you watch a video of a Caterham driving (which is RWD), you will find them four wheel drifting, because they're basically just modernized Lotus 7s. There are also certain circumstances in which a braking drift will allow you to enter and exit certain corners at full throttle, where grip may not.

@onivlasbrony7432 Год назад

I think he talked about this in an older video, with a BMW 2002...

@RaceNfunTv 9 месяцев назад

IRL it depends on each corner and what corner comes after the corner. In my Ford Escort RS2000 I usually do Grip Racing but if the Corner is really wide I just throw the car in with lift off drift to get as much speed as possible out of the corner, especially when there is a long straight after this corner. While in my 3000GT VR4 i use the E-Brake at slow corners while braking hard too and turn the wheel faster as you usually would do. The back turns out and the front turns into the corner better, because the car has massive weight on the Front with the heavy V6 Iron Cast Twin Turbo engine you would end up with understeer but then the cars 4-wheel steering just give you even more rotation. If you step on the Gas mid corner way before you would do with a 2WD car, you end up with tyre squeeking but an faster lap time. To drive a 4WD Car fast, you need to use the potential of the car and mechanics. Compared to an Evo, which gives more power to the Rear Wheels, the 3000GT VR4 feels more heavy but turns in better and accelerates faster out of the corner due to a way shorter wheelbase and the 4 Wheel Steering. But Evo makes more fun and will have an advantage if there are very different road situations since the AYC-AWD give you less understeer which means you are more safe when driving fast which gives you a better feeling as a driver. This is why many people prefer the Lancer Evo, because the AWD System is so driver friendly and makes lots of fun. If I drive my 3000GT VR4 very hard I may be faster than in my Lan EVO or Escort RS2000, but every corner just feels like I could crash the car if the brakes or 4 Wheel Steering would fail. Because of heavy front weight to VR4 usually turns in better but also wears the tyres off faster which means the Car is good for Time Attack but the longer the race, the less you can get advantages of the car. Same with the Nissan GTR which is also an amazingly fast car but because of the weight you get tyre problems at long distances. Over an 1h Race I would prefer my 50 Years Old Escort RS2000 since the brakes and tyres have no Problems with 800kg weight. The 1800kg GTR or 1700kg 3000GT VR4 will loose Grip after 20 mins of racing at full speed. The Lan Evo, especially the most famous VII, VIII and XI are still 1580kg which is still much weight. On a long distance an Old Lan Evo IV or Impreza GT / GC WRX STI which only 1100kg would be the better car. Thats the reason why Bunta bought the Impreza in the Anime Intial D, since the old Impreza is one of the best cars for road racing on long distances and combines AWD with less weight. There are not many cars like that. Probably the new Toyota Yaris GR is the best fast AWD Car ever build....

@tomatesacree4795 Год назад

Well drifting in a rwd slowdown the tires that are giving you traction so it seems pretty logical

@mclarenf1lm374 Год назад

With rwd it's less so whether or not you drift and more so how you drift. You can either do a smoke show or try to just barely reduce grip at the rear then eventually gain it back and floor it with the extra rotation providing a marginally straighter line

@gtnate8502 9 месяцев назад

Except for inertia drift or 4 wheel drifts. Pushing the car beyond its front grip level and added rotation to corner exit

@lakshaydhall7456 Год назад

drifting tends to be slower when you dont know how to drift

@thedude4795 Год назад

yeah, sim racing channels are usually so serious, this i dont mind watching

@NeonR32 Год назад

1:45 You sneaky and smart bloke.

@catalystmac Год назад

In FWD, I feel like there is a magic spot in a turn where you can "tap" the e-brake and use that sweeping rear weight shift for momentum + acceleration to get an even better time than throwing it in, ebraking, and powering out the other side. There is such a fine line in it that it sounds ridiculous, but I swear there has to be a distinction.

@thandontantiso3744 Год назад

I know all his videos and the context of the video. I do but I still watch. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Summary ROTATION

@jesskoenmaniac Год назад

u explained it well, kids can understand.

@clutch44444 Год назад

I was watching and I thought I recognised the song in the background, glad to see someone else listens to Breakcore windows breakcore - proloxx, for anyone wondering

@aperson8627 Год назад

The theory Ive always gone by is that drifting allows you to keep your momentum in a sense. When you drift through say, a hairpin, you're keeping the constant, albeit slower pace throughout the hairpin, as compared to someone who grips the hairpin but loses a lot of speed in the entry.

@isellcrack3537 Год назад

Drifting is ALWAYS slower when racing on circuit (asphalt). I mean if it was faster you would see race car drivers doing it. You are right in a sense tho. It`s not exactly drifting though but a technique called "slip angle" and I`m surprised it wasn`t mentioned here. It`s arguably the fastest way of taking a corner.

@redcrafterlppa303 Год назад

@@isellcrack3537 you could also argue that cars setup for drifting are potentially faster in some more cases since they are tuned to improve slip angle in corners. As far as I could see he raced the exact same car drifting abd gripping. Which seems logical but might not show the real picture rather drifting is faster in some scenarios with the proper tune. I mean by standard all cars are tuned for grip putting drifting in a disadvantage.

@aramisnicola4181 Год назад

if your on a moutain or rally drift is the answer

@isellcrack3537 Год назад

@@redcrafterlppa303 nah as long as we are talking about circuit/asphalt racing. I don`t think drifting is ever faster regardless of what setup you have.

@redcrafterlppa303 Год назад

@@isellcrack3537 he literally showed that there are scenarios where it's faster in the video. They may be small but existing. Thus doing it (supposedly) with a car tuned and designed for grip. Also like other comments suggest there are more benefits to drifting than speed.

@DannyBlox5 7 месяцев назад

How to do any of those: Drift: Handbrake Grip: TURN OFF ABS AND SLAM ON THE BRAKE AS HARD AS YOU CAN AND THERE YOU GO… ALSO TOU NEED RWD TO GRIP

@francorodriguez5487 Год назад

Grip is faster, you're welcome. Edit: Nvm.

@drakealt8287 7 месяцев назад

Most of the time, yes.

@themrwinston9570 Год назад

with fwd, i just try to let off and do a slight flick into the corner. i dont even use my handbrake when im trying to drift fast (catching a lead car for example), so i virtually never go near it while racing on tarmac. also, flat spots 😅

@FairladyS130 5 дней назад

In tight corners, particularly hairpins, rally style would be best. They don't have other traffic to worry about and they through real competition know the fastest way. Be interesting to know if the game reflects this reality.

@chidori7234 Год назад

0:07 Takeshi Nakazato: _(gets crossed)_ "NANI?!"

@oivato2279 Год назад

Thanks for te content, i always use your videos to improve my driving to go further in the FB Championships i take part in Gran turismo 2

@edblue7369 3 месяца назад

Look. If drifting were effective, it would happen on EVERY SINGLE CORNER OF EVERY SINGLE LAP ON EVERY SINGJE RACE BY EVERY SINGJE DRIVER. It never happens, ever, people!

@MrDeapGamingMedia Год назад

Drift is slower in real life, but not as exaggerated as in simracing using trailbrake. You can find JDM video doing those test. In those JDM video, the car lose like 0.1sec while in AC you literally lose almost a second doing similar drift.

@rpm3458 3 месяца назад

If you have no grip or bogging down on loose surfaces you drift. If you have grip and not stuck in mud just driving round.

@SheetFiber Год назад

In assetto corsa, if I attack corner sliding like these, in sector 3 my tyres will be cooked. I prefer the clean smooth for sector 1 and 2 then full agressive attack in the last sector. (merc sls gt3 - spa)

@nighpaw4651 Месяц назад

rwd is what you use when you want to keep drifting in a drift competition or something, where you want to link as many corners as possible and even drift on straights. which is obviously not faster than grip when it comes to actual speed, you want grip on the road whether drifting or not. because even if you're drifting, you still want to grip as quickly as possibly after the corner and awd has that push to just go (rally drivers drifting on tarmac hairpins for example)

@Delimon007 Год назад

For FFs? Flick? Yes. Drift? No. For FRs? Flick? No. Drift? Depends but usually you'll be using slip angle anyway. For MRs? Are you trying to die? For AWD? Flick? Sure, the drive system will allow it and depending on how much power the car has getting pointed straight faster can be worth it. Drift? Hardly unless you plan on destroying all of your tyres.

@Elis_D4tsent Год назад

drifting is faster if u have correct tune 4 it (SAME WITH GRIP LOL) i dont talk about 65' in corrner, for drifting fast u need stiff susp. STIFF car must be stable in slide not going like open diff 1 wheel spin other not or ohh i losing grip now sliding oh shit grip again OH SHIT NO GRIP AGAIN u start to catch ur steering wheel and loosing seconds

@ocularcavity8412 Год назад

Great Video and I Love this channel and how you test test thing but I am gonna make things a bit complicated. Here is the thing that makes this conversation difficult is at what point between Drifting and Griping does it become become Slip Angle driving. Slip angle driving is faster than both, But can be like drifting some times and other times it is more like gripping. So if you use more slip angle driving techniques In more of a "grip" run or more of a "drift" run won't the one with more slip angle style driving utilized be faster?. Also I would like to see this experiment done with low grip or worn out tires and bad suspension with noticeable body roll, I noticed that when I am driving an FR or MR Sim car with these problems my driving style usually has to go more towards the drift side of slip angle driving to make decent times but like you said Tire wear means it can not be done to the extreme or for long periods some time just to get a pass or subdue understeer

@TSRB Год назад

There's no such thing as "slip angle driving" unfortunately ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P_PDkWtvyFs.html But if you mean slightly over the limit of grip, but not yet sliding, that is essentially being fast whilst gripping.

@ShiningPancake Год назад

Not watched the vid yet, only clicked on it seconds ago, but I can answer right away: It depends.

@jauntyy1891 Год назад

This is interesting. You should try to see if cars that are prone to under steer(including rwd) are faster inertia drifting or going slightly above cornering force is faster. In my experience it is, but this is also because my car will plow me into a wall if I don’t have enough force on the front tires. Ah and also this is in game for legal purposes and scientific purposes😊

@estate86 7 месяцев назад

the only thing I could think of use for drifting are for light weight cars with low HP and sports tire. Especially useful trick for first Suzuka circuit corner, Sliding in to the corner hitting the apex then exit wide preparing for the next corner. Mixing combinations of drift and grip I get about 140 kmh exiting first U corner

@alejandrobadia4835 10 месяцев назад

wait: why are you comparing different cars? Shouldn't you compare same car in different traction settings? Distance between axis is a massive thing comparing cornering. Also: isn't Impreza turbo? Thats a lot of difference too

@LukeAisenAgustin聡芸愛泉 21 день назад

Me: So which car is best to drift over the stint of a whole race, excluding position and only paying attention to performance and tire wear?

@orbitmvm Год назад

Drifting is never realistically faster on asphalt surfaces (not including rally). The optimal way to take a corner is by using 100% of the tires grip (no slipping/sliding), anything over 100 (>100) you are slower since you are over utilizing the tires (eg, having to slowdown / get on gas later to wait for tires to regain grip). For some AWD on a specific corner (like tight hairpins in rally) it may be faster but the amount of tire wear you use drifting is a massive net loss long term especially if you are in a circuit race, not sure if racing simulators are accurate with this but after a few big slides like you would in a drift car the tires are overheated, shot & possibly have flat spots. Maybe you can be quick drifting in-game, but in real life you would never drift a corner purposely

@RuukuLada Год назад

I think all of these skew towards drift when you aren’t on very grippy tires. I have a couple Rx7s in my wing, and the one loaded with tighter suspension and stronger coeffs just ends up being more of a grip car. Scandinavian flick exists because of situations where grip just isn’t feasible, such as on ice, where you certainly have poor traction. I understand there are a lot of variables, but mot talking about grippiness conditions directly this way limits this videos potential

@Dean-TLS Месяц назад

Are you really drawing comparisons using a simulator? Wish i had thar precious time of mine back.

@lynnmei4346 Год назад

If you watch the rally, you will know Sebastian Loeb did grip run on every stage. He is always the fastest driver. So, if a professional driver does it correctly, grip is always the best.

@dosh8276 Год назад

"Drift FWD cars on fast corners and drifter AWD/4WD cars on slow corners" So basically drifting with RWD is just for show ?

@perialis2970 6 месяцев назад

its the way you use a drift and grip is what makes it faster, both arent faster than each other. that being said, being in the fine line of drifting and grip is probably the fastest, being able to slow down the least, turn the fastest, will mean you can take corners faster than your opponents, exit faster than them aswell. but once you mastered the track, the car, and the opponent as well, it will eventually come down to strategy. entering a corner faster at a sacrifice of exiting it slower can mean you can overtake the opponent if you can sacrifice the grip. in this type of strat, a car that oversteers and is nimble is better, like max verstrappens F1 car. or if after the corner seems like a long straightway, and if the opponent is distracted by not letting you overtake him on the first straight before the corner, you can sacrifice the entry speed for a quicker turn, and exit faster, and accelerate faster aswell. like takumi :p honestly man before i got interested in racing, i just thought about it as who can finish the fastest, but its actually wayy more than that and thats cool :p

@zuzuren7131 Год назад

Everyone have their own thought. But for me . Front wheel car isnt doing drift , that is power slide . Cuz u accel , front will always follow the direction of steering and sometime might go straight even we steer it to right/left cuz no traction and 100% most of time steer is same direction of corner . While for rear wheel car , On corner and u accel , rear tyre will spin and make it lose traction and that when drift happen . Car want to go forward but limited traction on back so it slide and 100% steering will opposite of corner direction . But it different on 4wd car. The steering direction is depend from car power . U accel on corner and all 4 tyre lost traction and it slide opposite of corner and we apply same car direction as corner to make it slide more toward all the way of road . There can be inertia drift that happen cuz of weight of car . And a drift that happen cuz tyre spin cuz accel . Horsepower and torque play huge role on drift . Many thing need to take into account . But still , sometime it good to drift and sometime it good to grip . All of that depend from car tune and config and even driver skill itself .

@jscioo 7 месяцев назад

This video sounds like a gigantic skill issue, drifting is always faster. (I never touched any car, drifting looks cool)

@pylot_Biker Год назад

Drifting in rwd reduces time because you can’t gain time and recover speed by simply stomping the gas. It ends in continuing the drift. With awd and fwd it’s the opposite. So yeah with those two drive trains if you have the enough feel for the car you can very your corner entry styles

@KrazyKotYoutube Год назад

What’s the song at 0:54 with the windows boot-up song in the background? Sounds like some awesome drum’n’bass!

@DiegsurfPlays7 6 месяцев назад

also i think you should have mentioned how track surface material can have an impact. Theres a reason rally drivers dritfi around everywhere and it has nothing to do with the car. on dirt and looser materials drifting is basically nessecary to keep the car on the road at high speed because theres way less grip.

@arisfaria2723 Год назад

Drift will always be slower, even more on the long runs as you will overheat you car. If you want to be fast do not drift. Drifting is much more like an exhibition

@Dakkyun Год назад

If 3blue1brown has taught me anything, you start using calculus and get a continuous spectrum for your car and corner types

@jout738 9 месяцев назад

I heard that drifting was invented in Japan in the 1970s by dudes who drove around tight harpins in the mountains and so noticed that drifting was actually faster way to do it and since then drifting has been thing in the world.

@stephaneletourneau7712 Год назад

of course the driving line is the optimal way to go, but personally having a drift prone way of approaching corners, i usually go for a "Driftette", like a slight drift. Maybe closer to dynamic drifting ( See drift Bible ) but always gives me a little more room to patch for errors and/or, other cars and X factors.

@dacrispy5268 Год назад

As a guy who used to get clowned for drifting my FWD car, who’s laughing now.

@rihalleo9229 8 месяцев назад

it's a bit more complicate than that, of course, if you use a racing car on a race track you have no reason to use drift but it comes in handy when doing touge with a lite weight car.

@wishingwellYT Год назад

well, drifting is about STYLE. not speed. so grip should be faster!

@Ivo-American_ball Год назад

"life biggest questions now I know some of you are rolling your eyes right now of course griff" -captions

@NexusWarior211 Год назад

As per usual in life, the key is moderation. Using both in appropriate scenarios is better then sticking to one thing religiously.

@Phamzer Год назад

Just wanna say this...The awd drift was slightly off the track. Would that take away time?

@nerdodragonnerdpl4167 3 месяца назад

Drift and grip are bounded 1 turns into another...this is best way insteed striving just for one

@ahegaoeveryday Год назад

right setup wheel diffenecial win, when u drifting, u not a accelerating, becouse u lose grip and sliding, slide - not speed

@nathantowe4148 Год назад

This didn’t talk about true drifting or rwd all tires sliding, in that case you aren’t really correcting the slide all wheels are pointed straight

@micheljackson09 10 месяцев назад

The civic teaches you to be better, cant you see the lines? youd be close to power turning and not drifting every corner in your rwd with the steering you use in the fwd

@ViharS 9 месяцев назад

5:10 Only if I could change AW to FW in middle of Race according to the Corner 😂

@dovan3039 Год назад

can anyone give me the song ID whe he tests the civic? would be much appreciated!

@dovan3039 Год назад

can anyone give me the song ID whe he tests the civic? would be much appreciated!

@dan4itozd51 Год назад

What is the name of that "windows 95 startup remix" where is Civic?

@Audi_Sport_Quattro_S1_E2 Год назад

What about road material, wheel base and with, and wheyght/wheyght balance?

@XTR_NEELAN Год назад

I Would like to take some KIMI Drip

@samdoesdrifting Год назад

Takumi and keiichi are gonna be furious after watching this video.

@TrolledBy Год назад

What if you have really, really bad tires? Would it still be faster to battle all the way trough the corner for the tiniest amount of grip they have to offer, or just let the momentum do its thing until the tires find their grip again?

@theultrak641 Год назад

If you have bad grip then drifting is also going to suffer in terms of performance. We can visualize this through the lenses of driving on ice. If you attempt to grip the ice and begin turning your wheels, your tires will simply slide because there is nothing to grab! Now let’s try taking this corner sideways, you yank the handbrake and your car is now sliding sideways relative to the turn. There is still no grip to be had so you just kinda veer off at the same point but angled differently. Basically bad gripped tires are really gonna struggle to find their grip again when they are stripped in the first place.

@ocularcavity8412 Год назад

I have used bad tires on an FR and seen and advantage to Drift BUT at VERY low angles (more like slip angle driving than Formula D Drifting) and usually to avoid Understeer. I have found it is almost always faster for me, to subdue a car that is oversteering than try to make a car that is understeering corner. This is also a thing for cars with loose suspensions with tons of body roll, preloading the suspension becomes imperative to be fast and the higher level drifting like Braking, Feint, and Lift off drifting teach you how to load you suspension into a corner and all you need to do to keep from wasting speed is NOT swinging you tail out wide and keep from spinning you tires any more that ABSOLUTELY necessary

@-_-Framed Год назад

What about slip angle? Is that what u did in the "grip part"? or would that be the fastest?

@robertotjenatak2040 Год назад

If the grip lower is than draft than the has a massive angle and if you have more angle than the car loses more speed

@ocelot_zz Год назад

i think you cand rfit rwd faster if you think of it more as steering with the throttle and less of doing a good looking drift

@Jerry12533 Год назад

simply you want to race grip, next you want to look cool and inpres drift lol

@ThisIsCexary Год назад

Missed opportunity to use "GRIP vs SLIP"

@danyfry39946 Год назад

Me switching between fwd,awd,rwd mid race depending on which corner is next 😈

@soyelsanji Год назад

it depends the car , the maps and the game and the run and the and the and the and the and the and

@unotoli Год назад

Nice joke. Drift >>> Overheat >> NO_grip end of story, thank you. 1) measure at least one lap (two better) ;) 2) do overlay of turn with two cars "in same turn", or at least show them in MOTEC 3) find well made car of same KW and weight and compare FW/RW/AWD between each other as well ;)

@TSRB Год назад

I made a big point about drifting overheating tyres in the video. Nice one.