Drinker: Wasn't excited about Lady Gaga's casting when I read it but the trailer showed promise. MauLer (wearing a Lady Gaga t-shirt): Excuse me, what did you say?
lmao yeah, but on the other hand it was good to see some disagreement for a change. Watching open bar is like watching a bunch of those nodding dog figures sometimes.
I was sure Joker didn't need a origin movie and Phoenix was not a good choice for the role... Clearly I was VERY wrong so I'm willing to give this the benefit of the doubt.
@@ramigilneas9274the chance is close to 100%. It was made a musical specifically to piss off the fans of the original. This will be Harley Quinn and the birds of the long movie name, elseworlds edition
Y'know what the problem is? The Mandalorian (among other things) taught me that a well-received installment of an IP like this is just the little worm at the end of a long phoquin' hook. I have learned to expect attachment to IPs is just an attack vector for ideologues, and so I try to care about them as little as possible in general.
Testify it. You can say "It's a Star Wars movie", or you can say "Some people paid for the right to use the same name as a great series of movies from the 70s and 80s".
@@kjgoebel7098 movies from the 70s and 80s whose messaging, characters, legacy, and fanbase we actively hope to spite in the process of co-opting their legally licensed names*
Once they see something is successful, they assume if they push their politics with it that it will stay successful because why wouldn’t it? After all, it was successful before. Look at the immortal hulk comics, they started off fairly well. Sure, there were some warning signs but ultimately it was good. Buuuuut by the 10th issue they started pushing lgbtq politics and started creating strawman allegories for the critics of their ideology and it became a cesspit. Much like every comic released for the last 10+ years.
Agreed. Trailer looked very good. I will say I was shocked. However, we’ve been down this road too many time with movies, shows, and video games. I’ll wait until the reviews come out. Now if the media do like they did with the first movie and tell people don’t see this movie, then I could very much see the hype working in the sequel’s favor
It uniquely spells out what you're in for tho. You can actually know pretty well if this will work for you before you see it, but the reception will be clear so you're best off waiting by default
I also didn't think a sequel was really needed but the fact this one looks to be trying something quite a bit different has got me intrigued rather than just another paint by numbers trying to capture what came before. The original film delved pretty well into the more surreal moments and his own imagination running wild so the thought of it turning into a musical within his mind could work well and blur the lines in a fun and creatively dark way.
no,hes not musically inclined, he didnt seek to be a musician , or wasnt seeking romance - he had a serious issue with the system, and was persuing being a standup commedian. suddenly its romance and music, because they have to somehow fit gaga into the role,and she only knows how to act portraying herself whilst at the sametime inflating her ego.look what she did to bradley cooper in interviews, he was a performing monkey for her look at me trail.
From the wiki on lady gaga - "She also studied method acting at the Lee Strasberg Theatre and Film Institute for ten years." Doesn't mean she's any good, but she's not some singer who just decided to try acting for a lark.
The "I can fix him" mentality is strong with modern women, Baggage Claim is absolutely right. Also, he's hardly ugly. Maybe not traditionally handsome as he is presented in the role, but average to striking at least.
With the recent Tomb Raider changes; to remove her from her colonial past of raiding and stealing from other cultures, your name is sort of implicative. Basically, you love slavery and horrible things. So your opinion is pure reflection, and you therefore love a white woman. Clearly, you are a sexist while at the same time discluding trans people in your comment. Transphobe also. Thank you for coming this far, this is a joke, and I will be deleting my account soon to instead go fight bs like this, where as this was more of a chill account. But damn, there are people on that birb now x place that says stuff like this, well Im headed there. Have a good dway.
@@Hail_To_The_King Yikes. The movie will have to do insanely well for it to reach profits like the first one. I am assuming 200 is before factoring in marketing, which probably puts it around 300. So 600 to break even. That being said, I would be surprised if this movie didn't hit 1 billion.
@@lawlietriver8869 I would be surprised if this one hits 1 billion, the first movie was a lighting in a bottle, I hope I'm wrong and this is a great movie because I loved the first one. Im not a fan of Gaga tho.
After listening to you legends lament the state of the movie industry for the past few years, I think I heard a glimmer of hope in your voices? Cheers lady & gentlemen.
@@dmacleod3843 why so? The first one was great and this seems to be on the same level. Also it'll be great to see a Harley Quinn that is not a discount Deadpool
That's how I look at it. I see the addition of Harley Quinn as caving in to the fact she is a popular character so can't have a joker movie without her crowbar-d in anymore
i don't know, the first one was a surprise for ppl, but it was really an art-style movie. this time the surprise is gone, so what remains is...an art-style movie. and i hear it leans towards musical?. i very much doubt that will work a 2nd time, but hey. also...the first was a character study about Joker, this one will be one about HQ, not sure how many will be drawn to that.
@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 I do appreciate Mauler standing up. Drinker was prob being alil ruff on her. Personally I can't get past the Musical part. Def gonna have to wait for reviews I trust. Multiple reviews lol
3 soy boys, 3 soy boys, see how they run, see how they run. Like little girls I sure do bet, arms waving down by their sides, 3 soy boys, see how they run 😂
Madonna was going to play Harley Quinn in the late nineties, along with Howard Stern as the Scarecrow, in a sequel to Batman and Robin which thankfully never got off the ground
@@devlinallistair-zx5by With Nick Cage Superman! Actually, I might want to see all of these in a multiverse movie, with them at their current ages and abilities.
Oddly enough now due to the low standards for a woman's appearance in media, Howard Stern could play Harley Quinn and Madonna play Scarecrow without any added makeup or special fx.
its just going to be more of that movie, but with added face paint.gaga cant act, or sing.she doesnt have any variation in her voice,it doesnt go high or delicate, its just one droning tone that gradually gets louder towards the end of the song.listen the song from the bradley cooper movie.
One thing that will always amuse me is that Hildur has worked for two people who both started out with stuff like the Hangover and then one went and made HBO’s Chernobyl and Todd made the Joker. I just found that interesting
The reason i think this could work as a musical is because the first Joker movie was arguably a theatre-of-the-mind, unreliable narrator business that might have all, or partly, been in his head. Having perfect musical adaptation based on a vision he had of a dancer that sets his madness going again... I think it works in premise. Heck, that was the majority of how they pulled of "Chicago," treating it as a theatre production in Roxie's mind. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Maybe it's another trojan horse for The Message, but I'll hold out hope until it shows up.
nope, he wasnt a dancer in the first one, that was a coping method (slow danced twice after shooting the guys on the tube and before going on murrays stage), his vision was to be a comedian....., murray called him the joker, no the dancer. i know the films that have come out recently have been total shit, but i think you have all lost some perspective. the first movie was a very articulate expression of mental illness and the social stigma and struggle with it - therapists "nobody gives a shit about you arthur", the way the two cops spoke to him outside the hospital, how the black girl treats him. it wasnt theatre or a dance.it was like michael douglas falling down movie on steroids, with depression, and face paint.
Yeah, but trailers are unreliable at best. A 1998 film 'Lost in Space' had an amazing trailer, and it turned out to be one of the worst films of all time. Trailers are meant for hyping and misleading people. That's their purpose. To be frank the first 'Joker' wasn't that good. That idea was done before, and done better in my opinion. The only reason that film got any traction is because it's a DC based character. If the film was about Arthur, a crazed loner, no one would care much.
Love Mauler's point with Lady Gaga, it is true, no one is talking about comparing her to Phoenix. Gaga can act and is a great performer. How she acts in this movie, to this particular character can be dissected when the movie plays. Drinker needs to shift in giving examples of poor acting performance he has seen with the actors/actresses instead of assuming an opinion.
I believe one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that Lady Gaga in and of itself is a performance. The person Stefani Germanotta has been performing as Lady Gaga for over 15 years, and I believe that deserves as much credit as her more conventional performances in films.
Yeah… in that specific role. Outwith that he is an absolute tit. This is the problem with todays world, if I had saw him in that role and other roles showcasing his acting, yeah great… but no.. with social media and every single actor and actress on it making their personal and political views known to the world, it completely ruins the immersion for me. Now all I see is an absolute weirdo who cries on camera on social media and makes absolutely out of touch statements and is absolutely trapped in his Hollywood bubble. Same for 90% of celebrities now.
My introduction to Todd Philips was Road Trip back in 2000. It was one of my favorite movies back then for when I wanted to have something casually fun on my TV. I'm glad to see he's been able to evolve as a filmmaker. Every great piece of work is a result of culminated experience.
And now after being portrayed as a victim from SoC1eTy, joker is a semi-wossie that needs Harley's help to pull out his confident, malevolent persona. It's not joker brainwashing a psychiatrist with his charisma and constructed persona, and a smart therapist willingly falling into madness and making the same choice as the joker...it's a 'weakened' and 'silenced' man who needs his woman to find himself. I have no doubt this will be visually beautiful and I'm actually in favour of the mad musical approach (you'll see, they sold it badly, it's not a freaking musical) but this is not joker to me.
Having looked into it, being an extra in a scene where she is uncredited isn't as confidence-boosting as you think. Good show but even Lady Gaga says that role isn't the highlight of her career.
@@NathanCassidy721 Oh, she wasn't a big part of the Sopranos. That's just an excellent show. But I do think she was very good in A Star is Born and House of Gucci
@@Promance2300 TBF she has been trying to break into acting more and more but I don't know how big a draw she is. House of Gucci underpreformed at the BO.
as someone who is not a Fan of the modern interpretation of Harley Quinn,i still liked the first movie enough to at least give it a chance. Lady Gaga as Harley is actually kinda interesting considering how Eccentric she is in real life and Hearing it was going to have Musical elements actually had me very intrigued. I really want this to actually be a Romantic story in some ways,but not in a way where they make it out to be where Harley Quinn is the true mastermind behind the Duo's schemes like with the Harley Quinn Animated series or with Margo Robbies interpretation. The only thing im wondering is why is Zazie Beets coming back? Her role in the first movie was fairly small and doesnt need to be revisited.
I tuned in late yesterday and didn't realize they were talking about musicals because of the Joker! I love musicals, so this has me intrigued as well. I wonder if it would be too dark for me though.
@@MaryRohwer I like certain Musical elements. I love the original West Side Story film adaptation and the In the Heights film was fairly well done with memorable songs and great choreography. Then we get terrible musicals like Dear Evan Hansen.
@@dominiqueodom3099 I had a hard time getting into West Side Story and the other two I've never even heard of. But I love musicals: Seven Brides For Seven Brothers (Bless Your Beautiful Hide is pretty funny), Sound of Music, Hey Dolly! (the lovable gold-digger and I love Louis Armstrong). I like Grease; my husband prefers Grease 2. We both enjoy O!Brother, Where Art Thou? and quote it pretty often. My mother said she had a hard time getting into that one, but maybe we relate since we're in the south. I thought it was fun to figure out which Odyssey character was being portrayed. Also, I still listen to the music from the Hobbit on RU-vid. I love that they kept those poems from the book and made them into songs.
@@MaryRohwer oh brother Where art thou? Is legitimately one of my favorite films. I don't see it as a musical but more of a Journey through the depression Era Deep South during an age of Transition. Too each their own though on why we like though lol.
@@dominiqueodom3099 My husband said the same thing when I mentioned it as a musical. He hadn't thought of it as a musical either. I suppose if there's no spirit fingers and jumping out from behind buildings unexpectedly, it just isn't considered a musical. lol
If this movie is commercially successful, I think it will have a new standard for superhero/supervillain movies. The first movie was crazy good and I think the second one will be even more insane. Who knows Lady Gaga could set a new standard for Harley Quin.
I didn't want to see Joker, as Heath Ledger had already done the best performance I could imagine. However, I did enjoy Joker. I am worried about the musical bit for Joker 2. I really hate musicals.
Coming from NY, Lady Gaga was a known talent before her albums blew up. She’s a weirdo theater kid / performer. You could criticize her for being a little derivative and wearing her influences on her sleeve, but she’s definitely capable of having a solid take on Harley Quinn. Shes a great casting.
One thing I'll say is she definitely gives everything she does her all. So I'm reserving judgment until it comes out. I think alot of people will be pleasantly surprised.
You forego immersion using her, a famous pop star, for 15 songs. There's no room left to get a Harley Quinn when you're getting obviously-Lady Gaga. I'd love to see what we might've gotten but we're getting this now & I can't see them fitting both when one requires immersion while the other one breaks it. Think ppl. 'oh she's great casting' ..bc she can sing & act & that's all we'll consider here. I can't believe mauler didn't think beyond the obv here when there's a ton to consider
I’m on the fence with this one. While the trailer looks great; the last time Todd Phillips did a sequel to one of his movies it ended up being crap. Then again that was a decade ago and he’s probably improved in his writing.
You'll be happy to know Todd Philips didn't get a writing credit on the first one but he did on the sequels. 1. John Lucas, Scott Moore, [Jeremy Garelick] 2. Scott Armstrong, Craig Mazin, Todd Philips 3. Craig Mazin, Todd Phillips
exactly. this is going to be a hamming it up lady gaga movie, guest appearing arthur fleck as a plot tool. all she did in the trailer is things arthur did in the first movie, that nobody else was around to see to be able to copy. its fucking stupid
I think this has the potential to be the 3rd or 4th musical I actually like. I can only remember The Little Shop of Horrors off the top of my head but I know there were others. I have a strong feeling that this is going to be a banger. I rarely have expectations, so my experience in life is that I am guaranteed to be disappointed. When you are 0/300 on positive expectations it can be traumatizing, I hope it is great.
Mauler didn't have to be afraid to simply say Lady Gaga is a good actress. There are plenty of people who started as musicians first that are also good in movies.
I watch Joaquin Phoenix for his ability to play tortured characters. His ability to show multiple emotions in one expression is very impressive. Lady Gaga, when given the right material, can also act the hell out of things. I'm quite curious at this point....
When I saw they made Harley a patient instead of a doctor I lost interest. It could be good but I don’t have much hope this will be as good as the trailer otherwise makes it seem.
They never wanted to follow the source material, other than the bare necessities. They just wanted extra profit from all the obsessed DC fans. That first film wasn't even about the character of Joker. It was about some guy named Arthur who got screwed by the system. We've seen that film before, and it was don e a lot better. 'Falling Down' comes to mind, 'Taxi Driver', 'King of Comedy', etc...
being on pitch is not the only thing that makes a voice sound good, especially in a musical where you have so much expression in how you’re using your voice. if you have a really high budget musical, i actually think the singing is more important than the acting ability (of course relatively, both have to be on a high standard and i personally think the singing ability should be a tad more important). then again, i’m a musician so i’m biased
It’s the Joker, he’s known for being theatrical whilst committing sickening acts of violence, most versions tend to maintain that aspect of his character.
I’m kinda happy to hear everyone having a different opinion on this instead of the usually rank and file opinion. This movie could go in any direction, and these critics’ opinions showcase that.
Whoa this like the first time I think drinker is just talking out of his ass about people who started doing something other than acting and get into it and are good. Say what you will about GaGa as an artist or popstar she has serious acting skills based off star is born\house of Gucci. Also no denying her voice I think she's actually a very thought out choice for the role.
THANK YOU. Everyone acting like the last six years didn't exist. Why on earth would THIS ONE MOVIE, from the same studio that's made one woke disaster after another, NOT make another woke disaster. It is literally all they do.
There are so many problems with this to consider & none of them have been brought up by the talking heads beyond drinker's 'I didn't know initially about casting a pop star...'
@@sirloin8745 I only recently figured out...Drinker streams from the main account. The main video gets privated, and chopped into pieces here to teaste the full reveal here. But...that took uh...quite a few months to figure out, because I was unsubbed and was looking here!
Lady Gaga had a small part in Robert Rodriguez's "Machete Kills". That one always flies under the radar when people talk about her film acting credentials.
Hey Wonderful Drinker and your lustrous cohorts. Love your takes videos and other things such as this. If you remember, the first Joker was all mood and music and method acting. I did not know until watching this that it will be a musical Joker 2. At the end of Joker and around the epiphany point in the film, he was dancing around with music that was not there. And the symphony at the end where he was heralded by the protesters and the music drove that scene. I have watched Laga Gaga in her films and honestly she had done an incredible job like seriously surprised. Vulnerability on display which is hard to make believe. Anyways, I think the musical aspect is to be the ethos in the mind of the Joker, that as long a the melody of madness is playing in his head, then he does not have to face the reality of his real life, which is tragic. Therefore, the movie explaines his madness as a separation from the actual state to a state of sedation in which he feels Powerful and lacks Emparhy. This will be a very interesting sequel, in which I do not recall anyone really challenging mental illness in this kind of way. I thought Joker 1 was a deep dive into the psychology of a mentally unstable person and I think this side show circus like addition speaks to that unhinged clown of of a psycho that we all kind of fell in love with as a supervillian. You know, the best thing about Batman and his row of antagonists is that they are all real people without godlike superpowers. In other words, they have to use their intellect, acquired skills, and resources to act in any and all capacity wether they be on the side of good or evil. I'm looking forward to this film, but wether it sucks or it's good, that's all I have to say about it. Go away now!
They were wise to keep any scene of the inevitable over-acting from Gaga out of the trailer. My one hope is that Todd Phillips was able to keep her mostly subdued.
Yup. Gaga sucks as an actress (not a fan of her ‘music’ either, but that’s irrelevant really). She’s not got classical leading lady looks either. Will still give the movie a go though, based on the quality of the first movie alone.
I remember seeing Blade 2 when I was 14. In that movie they cast Luke Goss of Bros (an 80s British boy band) as the villain, Jared Nomak. The consensus from most people who watched it was that Goss was horrendously miscast, what were they thinking casting a pop star as the main villain, that for most people it was distracting, completely pulled them out of the movie and prevented them from taking it seriously. The thing is, I had never seen or heard of Bros. I had no idea who Luke Goss was, didn't know he was already famous for being in a band, and I thought his performance in that movie was great. I just saw him as another actor and didn't notice anything subpar about his acting. The point I'm making is that I think a lot of times the problem people have with seeing a musician or pop star acting in a movie, a lot of the times the problem is in the head of the viewer.
I have never been a big Lady Gaga fan, but I have been surprisingly impressed with her in A Star is Born and House of Gucci. Plus if she brings this persona she had in the beginning of her career, it seems like a logical choice if this is meant to have musical numbers. Plus, I have seen many female Gaga fans loving her casting for Joker 2, so there's that huge bullseye from a marketing point of view.
I have this weird thing where I find it impossible to have an opinion about something I've never seen. I know, right? But judging by the trailer, this flick looks to have the potential for awesomeness. It seems like the writers were psyched to continue this story.
The icing on the cake would be that media would praise this film because the first one (which they hated) was popular. But the average viewer would hate it.
