I mean, there's a lot of oxygen to burn in a spaceship... ...the problem is that all of the oxygen inside the spaceship is supposed to be used by the people living inside the spaceship, not by the coal boiler that's going to asphyxiate them all before they even leave a planet's orbit...
Kora is not a Mary Sue, she literally (failed to) kill a child. The film writes her with so little self-awareness that she presented no character whatsoever; but she's pretty much just a shitty imperial who was betrayed and now parades her sins around as if she's the victim. It's not a bad premise for a bitter antihero, but Snyder has no idea how to write an actual wretched character, despite being so obsessed with edgy theatrics.
The fact that Zack honestly thinks that he can make a 6 film franchise out of this is laughable. I'm honestly shocked the sequel managed to get greenlit.
wait... if snyder plans to make 6 movies then will he make a snyder cut for all of them? So the fact that he never had creative freedom ends up being a big lie because he had more opportunities than any director seen. 
Let's see, who does our heroine kill in this movie? -A child -a team of non-combatant medics -a crew of unarmed 19th century laborers -an imprisoned god
@@georgeray1906 What an advanced idea, they turn grain into coal, to fuel their ships, a brilliant idea that I can't think of any problems they might have (ethanol)
First, no SOS was sent, and unless the MotherWorld KNEW exactly what happened and where it happened, it wouldn't know where to check where their missing ship was. That being said, I don't think the farmers can really hide a massive dreadnought wreck lying in their fields.
Speaking of spoiled fields, exactly where are they going to harvest any food now? I'm guessing that wreck is gonna deny a rather large portion of their fields for next harvest?
Belisaris also knew Nobel had found Arthelais, and knew his general search area since he's the one that dispactched Nobel out ther in the first place. Even if the dont have some kind of lojack on their spaceships (it'd be dumb if they didn't but that hasn't stopped zack) they could probably retrace their steps easily enough. @@sigmacademy
normally i don't 'like' comments that laugh at itself, but that would have been better. that suggests the whole body is there, and i don't want to know what hack snyder would film for the crotch area.
I cannot wait for the mega-director's cuts that will "explain everything properly" which is "in a completely different universe, as they are a completely different version". Anyone admitting they put out a sub-standard version on purpose deserves a chance to fail harder. Only by knowing the Lord of Edge will the cult of Snyder truly know it is over. If they create a cult around JJ we are all doomed.
I can't get over the fact that's his go to excuse for everything that bombs when he makes a movie by himself. Oh don't like Sucker Punch watch the DC, oh don't like Watch Men watch DC, don't like BVS watch my DC, oh don't like my JLZS cut then watch my extended DC with things that won't matter since I'm out of the DCEU. I hope this guy disappears and comes back when he can actually make a movie worth 3-4hrs.
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There was an old Next Generation Star Trek story. In the future the Enterprise didn’t have an engine. The ship moved around because an alien creature lived in the area where the warp core used to be. It was like a giant hermit crab. The crew figured out a way to get it to move the entire ship where they needed it to go. I know weird.
In the 1936 Flash Gordan TV serial with Buster Crabbe, they have a coal powered floating city. It was kind of silly back then when coal powered ships and stuff was still in living memory, we have coal power plants today but we don't have people shovel the coal into them. But a coal powered spaceship? What were you thinking, Zack? Were you thinking?
I love the fact that Kora is really the "Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight" from the Tick placing bombs throughout the Comet Club. Quite possibly my favorite super villain in all of comics.
A true Scotsman doing a fake " Scotty" accent brought such joy to my bitter heart. It really drives home how bad that accent was but how iconic it was at the same time
Grain was the only character that had a full story arc: a back story then planting to growing to harvesting to processing. So clearly Snyder CAN do character arcs.
@@Rotom0479 Ummmmmmm actually, I just left a board meeting at Netflix. Analytics overwhelmingly prove that the films are most consistently watched (and rewatched) by Middle American states with high rates of grain farming, and the slow-motion shots of the grain are the most watched bits of both films. Creative control has been renegotiated with Zack Snyder, and it's been decided: this is Zack Snyder's Grainverse, and the grain will take a bigger and bigger role as the films progress. There may or may not be a huge twist at the climax of the fifth film, in which the grain turns on both the Motherworld and the current roster of heroes, but you didn't hear it from me. What am I saying, I shouldn't be posting any of this. You're welcome (to the Grainverse).
Ahem, this movie is awesome. Movies don't have enough grain representation! The fact that it focuses on grain, it's harvesting and milling is a testament to Zack Snyder!😂
Steam machines to harvest grain existed since the end of the XIX century, still they Need to do It by hand... But with a Flying cart. But i'm sure the snyder's snyder cut with his 3 days of runtime Will fix this.
We will see the scene where they grind the grain to turn it into flour, in slow motion, finally, the true climax of the story, I can't wait for the scene where the bread is in the oven in slow motion
@@petriew2018 that's because so many people want to hold Zack Snyder down. They're trying to stop him from unleashing his wondrous vision unto the world.
if you watched just those two movies you'd think he was pretty good. those both still hold up imo. but thinking that you would be sadly mistaken. lol. the dude is a joke.
@@Shlogger They’re good cos Zach didn’t write them, only directed them. He’s really good at making established works shiny. His problem is he thinks that means he can write, too.
What happened is he's writing his own stuff now. Both of those are based on graphic novels written by other people. So the two "best" things he ever did are the two he didn't write haha.
I didn't like watchman. Even dawn of the dead was alright. 300 always a good time. Man of steel was the longest episode of dragonball z. Batman v Superman was stupid. Didn't bother with the synder cut. He's always been a one trick poney
Just the fact they did a science fiction story where the evil empire wants "grain" is pretty hilarious. Like they could have just made them miners or something where they extract unobtainium or burbaru for sci fi travel, heck even call it "spice" and rip off Dune, and it would have at least been believable. They literally just made a western set in space, with the same stuff a western would be about. It is actually kind of funny.
I mean, if you REALLY want to question something about the film, how about this? Villagers pile flour all around their buildings so that they can't be targeted from orbit, but then has to face a hostile ground force that LITERALLY wants to level the village (based on the firepower they are bringing to the fight), blowing one of the biggest buildings to kingdom come (and destroying a large amount of flour in the process). Also, the ground troops were returning fire, which I'm going to assume ALSO hit various flour bags. Also, why did those special unit of soldiers go into the one building to engage the villlagers, when their objective (the flour was stacked all around the EXTERIOR of the building)? Wouldn't it just have made more sense to take the flour scattered around the building and highlight it out of there?
Grain would make sense, if its several trillion tons a year from a massive, mechanized farming world, feeding their millions of troops and crew of their ships. And this world is thinking about rebelling so a powreful Admiral is sent to crush it. But this village can make a couple tons a year maximum? Since they do it all by hand, wtf.
One of the more interesting little scifi short stories I ever read centered around the idea that the secret to FTL travel was actually very simple and our civilization simply missed it. So 'first contact' for us was a bunch of steampunk soldiers with muskets coming out of a bronze spaceship, announcing the conquest of earth, and promptly getting blown to hell by the National Guard. Humanity rapidly expanded its empire after that. Rebel Moon has far less thought put into it than this 15 page story I read twenty years ago.
Sounds like a story called "The Road Not Taken" by Harry Turtledove. It's a classic, the image of a bunch of aliens filing out of a spaceship and attacking with matchlock muskets.... Great example of how technological progress isn't always going to be linear, just ask the people who came after the Romans.
The only precedent I can think of for a fleet having to go home after losing an admiral is how in 1241 the Mongols pulled back from their invasion of Europe because the great Khan died and the princes needed to be present for the election of the next Khan. However, the Mongols were not an organized empire ruling over many worlds across the stars.
@Rotom0479 Forgive me, person on the internet, for I apparently cannot see what it is that you see. Please explain how this movie is "a triumph for humanity."
The coal powered spaceships could have been neat if they had the balls to go full retrofuturerism / steampunk, but from what I saw they are using modern sci-fi weapons and rocket launchers, so yeah…
Star Trek v is under rated. Yeah it sux but u get some friends over with proper party favors it's a fun time to laugh at it. Also iv read William shatners memoirs and he got screwed on the budget for the movie
I once heard that the most important and underrated skill that a filmmaker can have is the ability to pitch movies to studio executives. Adam Sandler is said to be excellent at this, which is a big reason why he’s been able to make so many movies despite the fact that they don’t usually do that well. Perhaps Zack Snyder is amazing at pitching movies and ideas to executives…
I commented before on your opinion with part one, disagreeing on the Zach Snyder slow motion shots. NOW, i got the sense Snyder saw your reviews and doubled down on the slow motion for part two. Lost it laughing at the wheat shots in slow motion.
Hahaha 😂 that is fantastic. I was laughing through the shots, I did skip the random singing part when the male character just stood there and everyone was silent for 5 mins.
The fight scene with the orchestra is a complete K-Mart bastardization of the opera scene in The Fifth Element. They thought the concept was cool without bothering to think about WHY it works in Fifth Element.
Rather than going for the wheat, they should have been Mining for some sort of special fuel for their coal powered spaceships.That would make way more sense if you could only get that special fuel from that planet.
IF they went after a sole fuel source, that would have made for ONE HELL of a strategic target for the Resistance, never mind the fact that they would have had FULL LEGIONS of ground troops stationed at such an important key asset in their space military industry.
Where is Mystery Science Theater 3000 when we need them? This sounds like comedy gold! Sounds like Snyder is becoming the Ed Wood of the 21st century, but Ed Wood if he had a multimillion dollar budget.
Honestly Spaceballs is more original than both parts of Rebel Moon is which is funny since the former was a parody of Star Wars and the latter feels more like a ripoff.
Its like Snyder learned the US Navy carriers are steam driven and thought he could transfer that over into space travel and people would just accept it.
I mean, Star Trek Voyager introduced "space garbage dumping" as one of its weekly moral dilemmas in one of the later seasons' episodes. And yes, it's illogical why you wouldn't just send something like that into a sun (when you've got sun-sized furnace to work with, and an easy way to destroy any evidence of "dumping").
@@sigmacademy I think it was final season of TNG where they discovered the warp lanes were wearing out from overuse so needed 'speed' limits or something
Someone asked Zack Snyder: Who's your favorite comicbook writer? "Frank Miller" Where did you learn how to write your characters in your movies? "Frank Miller" 😂😂🤣🤣
Why aren’t these farmers in the far future using combine harvesters? Why does the galactic space empire with big need grain from these farmers in the first place? If you can travel through space you can grow your own food.
My speculation is that they know the farmers are largely unarmed and not a match for them. The problem is, the director has ALREADY shown you just how big the MotherWorld's army was in that celebration scene in the first movie, so it seems unlikely that such a small village could really provide them with any significant number of resources.
My friend is a Zach Snyder fanboy and he’s already rolling out the usual snyder fanboy defense for this film, telling me that the directors cut will be good and is waiting for it to come out. He says it’s Netflix fault for restricting the movie’s runtime and thinks that they should just let Snyder make it as long as he wants to. He also claims toxic haters are review bombing the movie.
It's funny because I can explain how a warp engine assembly goes together in a Starfleet starship and what all the major parts do. These are story telling ASSETS!
I kind of like the way it looks too. All the pictures show the girl with the angry cut hair and the barely hanging-on cape with the large moon backdrop. But from that picture, I'm surprised the planet is agrarian. I would have guessed that it was urban, like the last of what remains of a once-great civilization. (Maybe something akin to a Tasha Yar backstory in Star Trek: The Next Generation.) I like the aesthetics, but it confuses me. Maybe they explain it in the movie?
I like disparu saying he likes some good shots by Snyder. It’s the thing he’s actually a good director as long as he’s got someone to reel him in. Horrible writer though.
After he ruined Doomsday made him get beaten by bunch of rockets i already lost hope for this director he doesn't have enough good skills to direct his movies
in army of the dead a Hummer goes offroad and gets disabled because of that... i turned off army of the dead rite then. Its ok to have portions of your movie that people have to suspend disbelief but sometimes zack goes too far.
Their conversation about slow motion made me recall the south park episode "this is lesbos".... When miss garrison had to heroically make coffee in slow motion
I'm usually defending Zack Snyder (I still think Man of Steel, BvS and his cut of Justice League are solid movies), but his last couple of movies were really undercooked mess. He's a great visual director (he made a silent short movie couple of years ago and it was one of his best works in the last 10 years), but as a screenwriter he's stuck between being juvenile, edgy and pretentious. Sometimes having too much creative freedom isn't a good thing and Snyder is a good example of that.
The only way i can imagine a coal powered spaceship would be if a poor mining station on a giant asteroid deccided "We've got no resources except all this coal so let's slap some Mad Max engines on this bad boy powered by our massive stockpile" and then they move through space in the most scuffed but metal way possible.
What would make more sense is said mining station needing the coal to make coal gas, which they then use in the world's most scuffed ion engine substitute.
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So they can capture a god to power their starships, bring dead admirals back from the dead, warp travel through vagina portals, invent sentient robot soldiers but haven't figured out how to feed their army and need grain.
He had his own lenses made for the films- he used the front end of an anamorphic and a leica spherical lens as a “taking lens” behind it allowing him to get a super shallow depth of field while still being relatively sharp. He’s a nutty guy
The world building was so bad all around that it felt like it was written by some twelve year old edgelord in a creative writing class. The characters have practically no dialogue or story arcs to explore and I had zero attachments to them. You guys are also spot on about the tech making no sense either. I loved the battlecruiser using thermal imaging to look at the villagers in the houses but not seeing the people in shallow ambush tunnels on the suspiciously open field nearby. The Senate assassination scene was terrible too in too many ways to mention. I wouldn't compare these films to Chick-fil-A, they seem even more bland, processed and uninspired to me. Rebel Moon is the pink slime filled Chicken McNuggets of cinema.
