Driver VS Mini-Driver | Mid-Handicap Fitting at Average Swing Speed 

Thank you for recruiting Ron as your average swing speed tester. We can all relate to the excitement he's showing when you find a driver you have confidence in.

Ronny is a great addition to the TXG team. Ron is more like the people whom I believe watch your channel for some of the best information you provide, thanks !

The fun part of getting fitted is taking your clubs outside and watching your newly acquired hang time. As a former low ball hitter cured by Chris at TXG , I can confess that I actually laughed out loud when I hit my driver at the range. It was so weird hitting high fades instead of bullet hooks 20 feet in the air. I’ve considered using a brown paper bag as a head cover this year, so my golf friends won’t know that I have a secret weapon.

Love your testing with mid and high handicappers. Much more relatable for us not as gifted and Matt “the machine” Blois 😉

Fascinating, it’s wonderful watching Matt crush shots , however these tests with guys that are more representative of average golfers is so valuable..😉🏌️⛳️🍻

Definitely eye opening session here guys! Thanks for doing this and thanks to Ronny too!

watching your videos is part of my daily routine... by far the most informative youtube channel.

Genius stuff guys; well done on addressing ‘confidence’...at last we see ‘the thing between the ears’ as key in equipment!

Another great video. Always look forward to getting that notification of new videos from you guys. By far the most in depth golf equipment channel on you tube. I've learnt alot about my own game from watching you guys and how well you explain the details in your fittings.

I have the ping g410 sft and seeing how your closing the head has helped me a lot. Keep up the good work guys

Always great info with an unbiased presentation!

This format is very good, the time just flies by, which means it must be engaging me.

What a joy it is to see these kinds of fit, more performance for every type of golfer.

Loved this video. Reminded me of all the times the Manager of the retail shopped I worked in would yell at me for taking sleeves of various balls and marking them up for the Vector Launch monitor to fit customers back in the day.

I love the analysis that Ron made I can definitely relate with him

This is a super helpful video. Glad I found this channel.

Another great and informative video!

Love the video and keep up the great work!

Been watching a ton of utubegolf..... enjoy this stuff as much as anything....gracias

I like the lighter shaft ,great content again .I love all technical aspects .

These boys are the best out there!

I've been meaning to create a file filled with fitting tidbits from Ian/Matt. I've wondered what driver apex I should have (similar swing speed to Ron), and Ian mentioned that 75-85 feet is good for Ron. Ian added that your 6 iron apex should be similar to your driver apex. Priceless.

Amazing video glad you found a swing speed close to mine

Excellent. And this is why you do a fitting especially with the maestro. The more subtle differences such as confidence, consistency, height, flight of ball and tight dispersion come through with a modest increase in carry and total distance. You can then further refine with ball fitting.

Great stuff guys.

I love that you went into this fitting thinking the TM Mini-driver was the answer and came away with a Ping G410+. Shows the value of a PXG fitting.

Re-watching this for the third time and only now asking myself "why?" The answer is of course that these fitting videos are a mine of info and I pick up a little bit more with each viewing. It allows us to see how a professional fitting should run, the sorts of things we should be thinking of and the questions we should be asking. Keep them coming, please. :) Ron is a gem too. As others have said, apart from seeming a really nice guy, we can relate to him. Thanks for sharing his journey and experience and your expertise.

Great video! Leaves me wondering who if anyone will be fit into the mini driver. Not surprised he fit into the Ping their drivers are so solid!

I was fit for a G410 plus the other week and have never hit a ball off the tee longer and more consistently. The sound and feel are amazing. Btw, the little bit at 17:19 is spot on.

I'll be seeing you guys soon!

Great information, relevant to me thank you

Excellent video..... Ron's consistancy with the ping was greatly Improved over his original m2 and the misses seemed much more acceptable compared to where he started from .....

A great person to fit I think that could help a lot of people is like a young bomber mid handicap. But nonetheless the best channel to watch to actually learn about the clubs and become better informed. Thank you guys

Just echoing most of the comments, great to see a mid handicapper that most of us can relate to and take insight from

Hi, I have come back to watch this again 11 months later and understand the numbers much more now, because basicly I'm Ronnie but I prefer to tee up lower and still can't decide if a mini driver is for me. Being in the UK I can't come to yourselves and I haven't been for a fitting here. I love watching your channel, there's so much to learn I'll just keep watching, many thanks

Biggest improvement is teeing the ball an inch lower than that first video...also it was nice to see giving him a closed Ping driver for accurate comparison to first video with closed mini driver.👍🤙

Fantastic content as always. Takeaway is that I will only want to be fit using the best golf ball for me and not “practice” or range balls.

Love the details and as I also don’t hit driver this may be an alternative, had four New drivers over the past five years and still use my 5metalwood as I can’t hit driver🤬

Ronny is awesome!

I always hope your first guess at a club head is wrong, so that we can get more side by side comparisons of drivers/irons for players. I also couldn't help but hope you would also have Ronnie test the MTBX vs the Chromesoft X when you mentioned the MGS testing.

Just made me want to get ball fitted. My good swings are closer to Ian’s but it’s really interesting to see how the different balls perform

You guys are really amazing at what and how you execute the fitting process. I’m curious to hear the specific journey each handicap(low, mid, & high) player is recommended from you. With fourteen clubs, the ball and the player’s swing seems like the precision in finding the best fit is a fairly lengthy process. Where do you normally begin once baseline swings are obtained? Is it top of the bag, the putter, or what the customer feels like working on? This is assuming the proper length club, grip, lie have previously been established. Thanks guys! Excellent channel!

I were your 36 000th subscriber!

Always interesting to see what loft and head suits each individual player

Can you do a video on the Hi-Toe/PM grind vs. traditional wedges? TaylorMade and Callaway claim that they launch lower and have higher spin, which is something that I would love to see you guys test. Thanks for all the great content!

I would definitely benefit from a full bag fitting I am currently saving to try to come out to see you from the UK

I’m enjoying this for sure. As a mini driver user I’m looking at going to a full-size driver. I did hit the same ping driver as Ronnie as well as an old used M4 and I didn’t see a big difference with my eye. A launch monitor and the balls I game would prolly be what I need as well. I’ll be honest money is a factor when I’m deciding on which driver to buy. New or used....

Ronnie. What a lovely bloke.

Great news about a possible UK visit, please keep my details and if possible let me know, would love to meet you guys and do some testing

I was correct in my chat - I don't understand the mini driver if there is a proper fit of a driver - which this video really showed. top notch. I understand the need for a "mini driver" with a shorter shaft, smaller head and higher loft - e.g. a 3-wood - when you want to be safe when it is narrower, or dog leg or your normal driver isn't working. I play a 4-wood which is supposed to take me about 210 - 215 meters. My dispersion with that club is much less in comparison to my driver - in particularly if I am a bit off balance with it. I have managed to squeeze my driver to a good 240/245 meters carry. The longest so far is 276 meters (303 yards) including roll. I have an Epic 3-wood with loft 13.5 degrees. That is my "mini driver" if and when needed.

I wish your Shop was near me. Nothing within 4 hours for a proper fitting for me!

Love seeing mid and high handicappers test this club, any future video testing launch with this club for a 110-115mph club head speed range?

Amazed Ping hasn't sponsored Matt yet. Congrats to Ron on finding a confident Driver.

Forgiveness was a big issue. The bad swings with the M2 resulted in bad shots; not like the Ping.

Hi guys another great video. I was wondering I'm in the process of purchasing the Cobra King F8 one length cluybs. I have the 7i which I got first as the tester, thinking if I can hit this I can hit the rest of the set. As it stands I hit a solid 155-165 yard with what feels like an easy swing (I think swing speed is approx 90mph) What recommendations would you have for a fairway wood or driver that would compliment the one lengths. I prefer s shorter shaft length and having hit the Cobra F9 driver that felt like pushing a sail through the wind. Any suggestions would certainly be great. Keep up the great videos

Lol bruh came back with a vengeance mane! 🤣

GREAT POINT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET PROPERLY FITTEF FOR A DRIVER USING RANGE BALLS.I WOULD RATHER GET FITTED ON THE DRIVING RANGE BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY WOULD LET ME HIT DIFFERENT MAKES OF BALLS ON THE RANGE.THEY MIGHT DO IT ON THE MONITOR INSIDE BUT I DO NOT LIKE HITTING BALLS THAT WAY.MAYBE IT IS JUST ME.GREAT VIDEOS.

I'd be really curious to fit Matt into the lower lofted one where you use his stock driver as baseline but you don't remove ANY shots, with the point being to see if a higher skilled high speed player could lose minimal distance but gain any accuracy via better striking.

I know this is one year old. I purchased a mini driver 11.5 and for my clubhead speed (85-86 MPH) I reache just below 200 carry and the rest roll. So best results are with mini driver. I always had a 2 wood of some kind in my bag, (Great Big bertha for ex). I purchase another Mini Driver on sale at Golf Town, regular 13.5. Of course I think it will be a better fit as my launch angle is a little low with the 11.5, and I hate the looks of theclosed face when I adjust it uop. You make grat reviews. I am now a senior and kind of gave up on Drivers 45 inches. In my case, hope is not a strategy :)

Way to go Ronnie!! I can see that handicap going to single digits this year!

Great second test, looking to go see my pro and text the G410. I have a stiff heavy speeder shaft but struggling with driver. Going to ask for a 40-50grm shaft and see the results. Thank you. Will you ever visit the UK?

Fantastic video as always although you just cost TM a sale. I need to get fit instead of changing drivers all the time.

ANY video u guys post are brilliant and a great learning/teaching tool ... BUT can i ask who is coaching Ron .... and WHY that coach is not assisting him in "caving" in his left knee to get and stay behind the ball as hitting the driver?!?! Seems half useless fitting him to a driver if his position as a hitter is totally off..... get his swing in order... then fit him... if u ask me. BUT again.... great video and much appreciated ;)

Really enjoying Rocket Ronny's journey!!!!!

Call him Steve Stricker with those locked wrists... nice hittin brother!

Funny how even with similar numbers from M2 to G410 initially, Ronny seems more free to whale away with the Ping. Just like the reminder that golf is more about making the best misses than the one great swing

I have a 52 inch driver with a graphite 300 cc head , regular flex shat swing speed of 80 and it goes 280 yards and straight with a slight right bias of ten yards

Good video. One question why not use shorter shaft in his driver?

Do you feel if you make the shaft shorter it will help with accuracy consistently?

Love the idea, but can’t you achieve most of this by having a shorter fitted shaft still with a larger head?

With a moderate swing speed 90-95mph the hard balls seem to perform better at normal temperatures. Would that still apply on cold days when the temp is below 10 Deg C, as I am guessing most of the testing is done at around 20 Deg C. I'm guessing Ian doesn't miss the feeling of thinning a 2 Iron on a cold morning in Scotland.

It doesn't just suck getting fitted with range balls it sucks hitting them. They fall out of the air or dive left or dive right...or dive left then right.

Can’t unsee the cat face on that mini driver.

I like the H&K sticker on the GC Quad. Ha

Could you add the link to the previous video in the description? Thaanks

Why no hmt with the ping? Especially with Ronnie, like myself, strike and face to path moving around.

How much of a genuine difference is there between a 15* 3 wood and mini driver. Does the bigger head offer more forgiveness, because I would have to figure unless you can get the CG low enough, the 3 wood would be easier off the fairway

Just wondering, have you tried it with a regular length shaft? Wanted to know how it performs.

@txg What shaft length is best here. 3W or Driver?

I have a ping rapture it acts like a Threewood and a mini driver Best club ever hit

Put the G410 in the bag Ronnie!

I can understand the driver change bc of the consistency and confidence change for Ron, but a Pro V1x for his swing speed? What other balls did he test, if any?

Where do you guys operate from? I don't know of any fitting centre nearby to me that would be as in depth as you and would love to find my perfect driver /shaft.

so what comes to mind......COBRA F9 MINI driver with rails.........the f9 was by far the best driver ive ever hit off the deck. low on the face on the f9 was remarkable off the deck or the tee...put some rails on it and you have a perfect mini driver.....

I don't understand why loft increases when you close the head?

Awesome content as usual! Was there a reason you put Ronnie in the balls that you did? Did you guys try moving the loft down to 11 degrees (making it open)? Ronnie seems able to close the face to the path. Did you adjust lie on the driver at all?

So much for mini drivers then. Multiple RU-vidrs are coming to the conclusion that they went out of fashion for a reason.

Thanks guys ..... I think golfers with ron's swing speed should stay with big forgiving drivers...the mini makes no sence for someone with his hcp! But please do a comparison with a lower hcp who would actually benefit from the mini! 🤘🏻

Matt, follow up on the live. I don't remember which video you were actually swinging righty.

Please try The Benhogans Gs53 driver

Are you guys able to explain to me, how the "Mini Driver" is not just a 2-wood? Cheers!

Mizuno Ronnie

H&K sticker on your GCQuad?

What setting on the ping hose g410 closes the face?

I would donate a kidney to have a fitting by Ian .

As long as the range is long enough...I sneak a couple real balls in to practice on range to see real results...driving with a parking brake on doesn't tell me how well a car accelerates...

Just weird to see 5 degrees up, 13 degrees of loft, but 9 degrees of launch…

So, high lofted mini driver with shorter shaft isn’t that a 3 wood.

What's to stop a manufacturer from making a "Maxi 3-wood"? Wouldn't that make more sense so they can get around the COR limitations of a driver?

Ah a 2 wood test.... ;)