Landowner reaches out to 2 NEWS On Assignment after he's forced to close business on his own property, property that includes two counties and two townships.
Are there were there any Twnshp meetings or zoning meeting about this before it started where are the minutes to the meeting that would be proof & okayed for compliance. I did similar in Williams Co,OH when they straightened a Twnshp road taking down a fence that sits 5-8' off the road edge because the road sits to far my side of the center line due to a house built across the road way back when that has the road pushed off. Corner pins & some post in place for fences return.
the state line should be marked if its NOT!!!! that is not the property owners fault i say move the state line so that all of his property is in warren county
If he still has a mortgage after 10 years of $60k a year in rent, he didn’t give a shit about paying it off! Which is exactly what I would have done. Every spare penny would have gone to that mortgage.
That's why you should stay out of business. Think about what you're saying. You're saying he's putting $60,000 in his pocket every year. Well, he's not. By the time you figure mortgage, taxes, Insurance, upkeep, and all the other things that go along with owning that business, you have much less than half of that left. Now let's just say you had $30,000 left over when it was all said and done.... How long would it take you to pay off a $300,000 mortgage? Do I need to tell you you're not just paying back the $300,000, but you're also paying back the interest.
IT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE GOVERNING BODIES.. thyey are the ones holding the bag. there is something missing here. a first year law student could win this case. i think we are seeing an altered version of the facts. as presented this is the fault of the county.
Ruin the neighbors lives? Lol. It's super easy and completely legal if you know what you're doing. As someone who has dealt with pesky neighbors in the past its really easy.
It's easy, she's a lawyer. After three years of law school most of them are brainwashed to believe that what is legally possible is more important than what is right.
@@augustusczar7375 She isnt fighting on any side. She was a lawyer hired to figure the legality of the situation out. Did you guys even watch the video? She is right there, on camera admitting the town did wrong and that the man was screwed. No lawyer fighting for a client (town) would openly state such things that could be used in court against her client (town). She is a third party mediator.
Holly B a variant is a zoning law exception..the county gave him a pass to use a residential property PROVIDED no one complained about him doing it. The minute the asshole next door went to the county office and filed a complaint the county was legally bound to remove the variance! The neighbour is the problem, the news reporting the story is slanting the fact, and you people don't understand the rules and are being led like 🐑!!
I'm a small business owner myself..I operate my business thru such a variance on my residential property. Invisible ink? Animal abuse?? You're a weird guy..pretty weak burn!!
This sort of thing happened here in Colorado a number of years ago. The business owner welded armor onto his bulldozer and knocked down city hall, as well as the former mayor's house. Locals nicknamed it "the killdozer"
Yeah, as much as I don't condone his actions, I was sad to see the killdozer get destroyed. They cut it up, and then distributed it to like 10 different scrap yards so nobody could take any souvenirs. It would have made a great museum piece.
Neighbors worried about their kids? Don't let them play in the street. County should reimburse this man for the money he is screwed out of and any costs for winding down his business.
@@snake21ab The road to access it is through residential zoned land, that is the problem. Simply put they need another road going to the east over the creek that is in industrial zoned land.
@@Mortlupo Yep. They said that was an expensive option but didn't say how expensive. That is probably the only option. However since they didn't exercise it, I suspect it is cost prohibitive compared to the income of the storage business.
So, Reader's Digest condensed version, both townships in both counties and both counties were okay with the business operating on this property. Now we have some kids playing in the road so now the business is illegal? I wonder of the business was operating before the families moved in?
It was from the neighbors complaining about the traffic coming and going from the storage facility. Pay attention to the story. Try listening to it again.
The neighbors to the west Jack and Alice Henkle John Chambers from Dayton to close the Grays down. The home that complained about his kids playing was purchased in 2010, nearly 4 years after the Grays were already in business and the man that lives there put his house in Jack Henkle's name as a Trustee and Jack Henkle and his family "own" Warren County. His Father George is the reason KI and the Lebanon YMCA are there. Now how could they ever get a fair trial.
@@mattlane2282 You are deluding yourself. Last 2 covid "relief" bills that went through have bitcoin legislation in it. They are already starting to phase out money. Didya notice the "coin shortages" signs. Matt shits a lot more complex more involved than telling people that got screwed over by a government entity to go use bitcoin.
@@offgridhomesteaders863 how do you call someone deluded then not only type that up, but that posting this was worth anyone's time? You have wasted my time and everyone else reading that
This zoning shit is so petty. Wtf does it matter the man owns the building and the counties dont care...they just wanna make everything hard for people
I''m no lawyer but i believe that if a town rezones your property, effectively making your business worthless that they then have a legal obligation to buy it at market value.
The did not rezone the property. The people who own the property took advantage of the fact that they were in two counties that allowed them to do what they are doing. House on the residential zoned in one county and commercial zoned in the next county. The courts are basically saying that you can not use the drive way from the residential zoned county for commercial purposes. He does have an alternative to put the driveway in from the commercial zoned county but it would be prohibitively expensive.
I would sue the county for approving the project in the first place as he would not have invested the money had it not been with the condition he could run the business
jburr36 the country that approved the storage center being built is not the same county as the one telling him his private driveway isnt allowed to be used for commercial access. The county with the residence zoning has nothing to do with the other counties commercial zone.
I think they mentioned he might have access in the other county? Something about a ditch or culvert. If he can work with the other county to get access, then that should be the rout to go to get back up and running. Then sue the crap out of everyone involved in this fiasco.
his business was there for 5 years says the guy renting space for his boat.. this guy needs a real good lawyer to sue the township the county and his neighbors into bankruptcy
When you look at the map there isn't a subdivision there. This is just stupid people being stupid and the judge is being one of them. I sure hope this has been resolved equitably.
I would drive a private f150 up and down the private residential drive at high speed many times a day, just as a resident and not enter the business. Then see what the neighbours think. "This is s resident driving in a residential private drive that no children are allowed to enter."
6.5 acres plus 2 acres makes 8.5 acres. How on earth can dust or kids playing nearby be a problem, that would mean the kids are trespassing. And the storage is near the end of the property, which means people aren't driving fast enough to kick up much dust. Id demand a list of the individuals making the complaint, get a court order if you had to.
The county said it was legal they are responsable for any damages he is out. The best course of action for the county would be to grandfather what is currently there but not alow it to be expanded. That would save the county from a very expensive lawsuit.
7/19/18.....WHO did home owner/business guy piss off? SOMEBODY. is def AFTER this guy and/or his family. THAT'S how the govt works! GOD BLESS THIS GUY & HIS FAMILY!
That county is INEPT, and much worse still: CORRUPT. There is no way they can legally put someone OUT of business that they fully approved to go INTO business. If their bylaw inspector was wrong, THEY should eat it, because THEY hired him, not the Gray's. I hope the Gray's sue the counties and townships that caused this, and draw all the people that had a hand in either end of it into this personally.
no! trailer homes. its cheaper to set up and you still make an income and you get the benefit of trailer trash to really endanger the neighbors kids. muahahahahahahaa!
According to the comments, the complaining neighbor moved in 4 years later (so they should have known that they were moving next to a business). And apparently, they were also friends with the family that "owned" the town. But yeah, that's the first thing that crossed my mind too: Someone wanted to steal his land.
That fell through apparently, as the law suits continued, the last of which I can find is this decision that went against the Grays in Dec 2015. www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/12/2015/2015-Ohio-3711.pdf
They won't win in a lawsuit against the county for making the mistake in the first place. I have seen similar issues since I worked for the county for 2 decades and we have been sued for mistakes but never had to pay out for any of them. Its almost impossible to sue the government unless you can prove they knowingly did something wrong. Its funny to read the comments on here where people are giving legal advice when they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. Free legal advice on RU-vid is beyond worthless!
Well, they're going off the theoretical aspect of our legal system whereby if someone causes damages to you, then you have standing to sue for reparations... but as you've pointed out... they're not taking into account what happens in the real world: There's corruption and a clear conflict of interest with the government both being sued for causing the damages in the first place AND being the one to decide the outcome of the court case. Heck... the case probably doesn't even get that far... What happens most of the time is that the attorney for the government will file a motion to dismiss based on lack of standing and the judge will grant the motion. But that's akin my brother being the judge in a case where YOU have sued ME. Do you really think that the trial & proceedings are going to be fair for you ? +1 for sharing your real-world observations tho.
This is an over reach of government authority. Stuff like this seems to happen all they time. When someone sees you doing well they instantly start trying to find a way to fuck it up to feel better about working for the government and getting paid squat.
Was this also a matter of an easement for the drive that was not in writing and or was not recorded and/or was not covered by title insurance? Just curious.
I agree. Where are the parents? I am on a dead end street, you would not believe the traffic. Roads are for vehicles, not for kids to play on. I watched my kids and grandkids now. The neighbors apparently wa
He's being sarcastic... "vehicles driving on roads"... can't get more obvious than that. Plus, he's making fun of the liberal goto argument for EVERYTHING: "Can't we think of the children." On a side note, I think I smell Russian interference in this township. I think they got hacked. /s
Clearly the county that admits they made an error owes these people a driveway. The only fair remedy is for them to do whatever it takes to create an easement and a driveway coming in the other direction. If that cost the county three or four hundred thousand dollars they're getting off easy. You can't have people building businesses based on your decisions and then just say oops sorry you're screwed.
I had a inept city worker deny me a permit on a property. it was during the bubble burst in 08-09 totally screwed me from going ahead with my plan to save it. work dropped out too everyone knows how it was. but if they was competent I could have saved my land. or if I had cash to hire a lawyer. the Butch would not even look up the regulation.
Isn't it unlawful to block that? Forgot what it's called, right of way? no... umm Something to do with equal access especially if it's been used for years.
Their house is in one county and township, the business is in a different county and township. Who do they sue? The complaint is about business traffic in the residential area. My personal thought is the residential county should have to pay to build an access road in the business' county, then if possible have that county maintain it, or owners maintain it as a driveway. Both counties and townships agreed, their fault.
And this is what happens when you trust Government for anything. Honestly they made the mistakes, this person pays for them, and even if he sues in court they will draw it out for years (something he can't afford) rather than make their mistake right.
My daughter fell in love with a house that had an “easement” as the driveway and the land marker was literally right on the front porch. It was a mom/dad who allowed their child to build a house behind theirs. The adult kids didn’t keep up on the loan so it went to bankruptcy. That beautiful house sits empty because no one wants to be literally land locked or dependent on an easement. My daughter says….momma we KNOW them, they love me…surely it wouldn’t be all that bad. I told her the WORST thing to do is business with friends or family. Never ever break that rule. U get in there, get stuck in a mortgage, think u can live peacefully without worry over property lines and such and then someone gets pissed off because u planted purple tulips when their favorite is pink. U can’t get away because no one else would be stupid enough to purchase it and u suddenly have one inch of property as a “front yard” and ur kids can’t play. U risk a privacy fence going up right in front of ur nose…..so NO. Step away from that “deal” and call it a day. Take that sweet family some cookies and stay friends.
Seems to me that the County should provide an alternative access-way (or pay to move the business). Yes, as the attorney indicated, it is a pricey alternative -- but it was their error after all. The business owner would not have invested otherwise. In the end -- the community pays for what the community does (or does not do)...
This seems reasonable. I think the property owner should not be able to use his home's driveway as access to the business, because of the zoning. He needs a separate driveway in the industrial zone for the business.
You’re gonna have to turn it into little condos. I would suggest turning it into section 8, where the government pays you to house very poor people. Your neighbors will appreciate it too.
Bet ya da so-called concerned neighbors are the ones terrorizing them children,oh my,most likely there's not a whole bunch traffic going n coming there
