@@bluej854 It's called due diligence. Also what prospective buyer doesn't have the property surveyed prior to purchase. I'm sure the lawyers would have required it.
Why should he? He's on his own property. It's not his fault his neighbors don't know where their property lines are. He can put his dock 1/2 an inch from the property line if he wants. It's HIS property. The old man is just going to have to move his dock over. The guy gave him a 6 month notice of intent. Letting him know he was going to expand his dock. The old man should've moved his dock instead of being a prick and going to the media. He's just showing how stupid he is. Just Sayin'!
rockit730 and tootsiesCreationz, there’s no reason to build the extension though! And for him to say that if the old man had “done his homework before he brought the house, he might’ve seen an issue down the road” is complete bullshit. Who plans out for what “could” possibly happen if you get shitty neighbors? Like get real people
ski man what's wrong with you the young man is legally extending his dock? The older man has the audacity to complain about the young man's legal dock while his dock is illegal!!
@@Kirbykin88 you moron if you had the money to live the lifestyle as these people and you wanted to legally extend your dock you would do so. It comes down to buyer beware.fool.
Thats something this young guy doesnt understand. Theres no amount of dock space worth being cussed out every time you go outside your house (even if its just a subtle look and middle finger every time).
Yah, there's a _lot_ of subtle ways to make his life miserable. Depending on the prevailing wind, dandelions are a good start. 😂 Two or three Weiner dogs, that have been taught not to like that one neighbor is good too.
Something like this happens in Bellair Florida a few years back and it got real nasty. Most of the people with docks have lived there for over 20+ years and a new person moves on to the street and pulled this stunt. There wasn't notice posted like there should have been and the city gave him the green light to replace his dock. It not only blocked two other docks next to him but on the other side of the water it stopped that person from leaving their dock " they had a 50' boat". The other homeowners sued. In the end, he had to remove the dock because all the older docks were grandfathered in before new codes went into effect. The local news found out the man worked for a company owned by City's planning commissioner and that's why he got the green light so fast.
This sounds just about as I expected (see below). It sounded like someone had a lot of free time on his hands to do the research needed to figure out - how to screw your neighbors, legally, with the amount of least effort. Like they say, idle hands are the devils workshop. ~.... The local news found out the man worked for a company owned by City's planning commissioner and that's why he got the green light so fast....~ A good Real Estate Agent ...must of told him, warned him of the repercussions.
He just brought his dock to legal code and their docks aren’t to legal code and they won’t pay to bring it to code. Really not his fault. Maybe he will be using the waterfront commercially and needs it to pass and it wouldn’t have before.
They would have been, as with nearly all non commercial constructions/properties. Imagine having to modify your house every 2 years or so to meet new insulation, tornado resistance or fire ratings. Or your car.
@Chris Kibodeaux Yes there is a such thing as being grandfathered in, I have an apartment building that was build in 1908 that is less than three feet from my property line. My cities current code says you can not build structures with in 15 feet of a property line. You care to explain why this 1908 apartment building is still standing if it is not grandfathered in?
@@brianhaflin9799 I would disagree with that, Brian. Replacing existing structure exactly as it was before should not lose grandfathered status, it's considered normal upkeep and repair. Most structures will only need brought up to current codes if something gets altered from it's original design.
@Charles Ng They will get the finger, especially if they honk. I mean why, with all the available space-time in the universe, would someone have an ego that he is entitled to an already occupied by me?
The guy expanding his dock may be in the right legally but morally he is bankrupt. To do that to his neighbour is mean and crappy. The bully on the lake.
So a little rich boy moves into the neighborhood and then decides to throw his weight around and bully his elderly retired neighbors who are struggling to survive on a fixed income. Then hides behind the law to excuse his harassment! This guy needs to be taken "behind the schoolhouse" and taught a lesson in respecting his elders.
That kids wants and needs are more important than everyone else’s. Something as important as a dock is reasonable to turn all the neighbors lifes upside down. His parents must be so proud of him.
Yup I live in the city and our problem is finding parking for our car 🚗 🙃.... we have a neighbor that when he goes out he takes a car that is parked in the street brings out one of his many POS cars from his driveway and parks it in its place till he comes back ..
The new guy moves in, and builds a bigger dock, to block off the established docks. The water isn't "his property" and there's such a thing as being neighborly.
I agree with being neighborly but the county wouldn't give permits if it wasn't possible to build in the water. I assume this is a man-made canal and rights to and in the water were given to the homeowners when the homes were built.
The new guy is just building a bigger dock and has the permits to do so. He is not doing it to block anybody. He just wants a bigger dock. The water is not his property, true. But that has nothing to do with the construction of the dock on his property. Explain how he is taking the water as his. The old man is complaining because he knows he does not have a legal leg to stand on and he is wrong. Being neighborly is not calling the news to air your dirty laundry in public or to try to get sympathy when you are in the wrong. It is not the young man's fault the old man can not read a contract or research before buying.
When my neighbor put up his privacy fence he went all the way to the alley blocking me from being able to pull my camper in to the back yard so i had to have my alley leveled and graveled so i could back in (small town i own my section of alley ie my responsibility) the fact of the matter is complaining wont do anything but cause drama he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
DID you even hear the story? That is NOT what happened. The man who made the new dock is building legally and in compliance with county codes and on his property. The neighbors docks were NOT built in compliance with codes thus is making the conflict with the new dock. THAT IS NOT THE NEW GUYS FAULT .To fix the neighbors dock and make them compliant, would solve the issue, but would cost a lot of money. The neighbor does not want to spend the money so he is trying to go after the new guy who is doing everything by the book.
I see nothing wrong here, sad that a dock built who knows how long ago wasn’t done correctly but this sure isn’t the person who’s expanding their docks fault. That’s taking away their freedom, if ya got a boat and a dock you can probably afford fixing it. It’s your problem, not his at that point.
This would be much, much clearer if it was on land what is actually going on, and it would be clear that the original neighbor is in the wrong. When you live on a lake, your property lines usually extend into the water. The dock itself probably doesn't encroach from the sounds of it, but the access does. In other words, the first dock was using the neighbor's property as a "driveway" for his boat. Also, it looks like they are on a concave curve. So ANY dock added will crowd the surrounding docks. If your existing dock prevents your neighbor from being able to build his own because it wasn't built correctly, and you're using *his* property to access *your* dock, you're not just equally culpable. You're fully culpable. The new owner notified his neighbors of the encroachment, and they didn't do anything about it, possibly because they knew their dock was built wrong. Unless he bought and recorded an easement to use his neighbor's land to access his dock, he is in the wrong and has to move his dock.
Looks like the existing dock guy was using the new dock guy's access point, and the other neighbors down the way did the same thing. A domino effect. New guy comes in and does what everybody else should have done in the first place.
Well Don, except for code likes to change every few years, so the prior docks were likely to code at the time of their construction. Code tends to be more about revenue than safety. Most places allow for a grandfather claus, which should protect the older docks. But the new docks code , while legal, may cause an obstruction. The solution is for the existing docks to have to be modified. Modifications that likely require a permit. Then to be modified or altered means they lose their grandfather status and would have to comply with new code. Seems like a raw deal to the owners that already paid to build docks to the then code, to be forced to meet the new code.
@don...i agree with you. So because he purchased property and wants to update his dock but cant because it would block a neighbor who apparently isnt compliant with his dock. Why should he be punished not to be able to do his property he wants. So dumb dumb would burn down his dock go to jail for it and forfeit any chance to go boating again...u ppl are stupid so tough at a computer saying what u would do...acting all manly.
According to maps: the old man, along with his neighbor on his left side, have possibly built their docks docks too far to the right... blocking water access to the young mans property. The young man, like the old man, paid good money for their properties and deserve the access they are legally entitled to.
Nope. All the neibors who have illegal docks including Earl are going to have problems because of Earl being a entitled spoiled old brat. The problems are going to come from the county which is going to make the fix their docks or the county removes them and the neibors pay more than it would have coast to fix their docks.
You don't understand, because you don't run a newsroom. Simply, they want people coming back for the story, of course they are going to give a piece now and then more later, its called a business.
My neighbour bought a mercedes the same colour as mine. Isn't that disgusting. My neigbour added another story to his mansion and now my mansion doesn't get that beautiful vista we had. But at least we do loathe poor people. So we have something in common.
@The Emperor Protects but he literally explains why he’s not wrong both legally and morally. He has a right to build on his own property. He’s legally right because he submitted his plans and everything was to code. Morally he’s right because as he explains, it’s the buyers responsibility to see if the house you are buying is properly inspected to make sure everything is to code. The reporter even looked it up and found that he was correct. Was does the burden fall on the guy who did everything right and not the ones who did everything wrong?
@The Emperor Protects but the disruption is the fault of the other neighbors. They clearly say in the vid, that the other neighbors docks are not within the code. If they were, then this guys dock would not be interfering with their docks. So you can’t say just because the others are inconvenienced that this guy is some how incorrect. Now that’s the end of it.
@@supertrooper1600 All of the docks were up to code when they were originally put in. I guarantee it. Somewhere along the line, some law changed and now this bullshit happens. "My neighbors should have known an asshole might move in and block their dock access" certainly does not make you morally right. You might be a psychopath.
@@nancyhoward7005 Most homeowner insurance on water doesn't cover boat docks for good reason, the average home would file claims at least one or more times a year lol
When the neighbor applied for permit, he probably did no show existing docks around his addition and the impact of his dock toward others. If he had, then the governing board would have seen the conflict and might not have certified.
All you do is find a neighbor that lives in-between the new dock and the gulf, fundraise for his dock improvement project, and make it so Micheal can't get his boat out to sea.
There is always that 'first' guy who builds what he wants that makes all the others just shift a little and twenty years down the road - this is what happens. A new guy comes in and wants to do what he legally is allowed to do. Sounds like all the others need to revise their docks. This story is three years old. I wonder what ended up happening.
this looks like it could be a case of all the docs passed code enforcement when built originally but changing terms means rules have changed over time with the other docs being grandfathered this is more likely with all the others being the same and only the new expanded one being different
i don't see update, but i bet this is Earls end of life last home, been there a longtime already and all the other docks have been setup sameway, long before some code was enacted, now new young man is upgrading to what code is and he did give notice. not sure why they didn't consider combining and docks and make it work for both without screwing all the neighbors and causing a chain reaction of upgrades for all. and still be good human beings toward each other.
If I could no longer access my slip I would just anchor my boat behind his slip. He wouldn’t get his boat out unless I decided to take mine out. What’s good for the goose.
Dude, you'd lose your boat. The point is, your dock should be built so that after leaving the dock you stay on your water and then the public right of way. If you build a dock on a property line, then set the slip up so you have to go across someone elses property to get to your dock - you're going to have a hard time of things.
It appears to be an issue of what happens when or If the new guys boat is stored or "lifted"out of the water? Those boat guys don't want the stains, maintenance required if the boats stay afloat - especially in bad weather. the 'new guy' is causing a ripple effect all down the access way. I wonder if its a tidal thing or a real issue? Wait a few years....Global warming will fix the problem - Maybe?... rising tide lifts all boats.
Often title guarantee firms are on the hook in property line misrepresentations on a sale. And as to that libtard twit Diane who says she would rather move , Go ahead.
The affected neighbor would have to prove the prior owner knew about the situation. You are only legally obligated to disclose that which you know about.
The docks were built on Michael's property. As stated in the beginning if you have to drive through your neighbors property to access your driveway that requires an easement. I've seen garages cut in 1/2 because they were on someone else's property.
There are two reasonable sides here and I agree with both people, but my question would be why is a bigger dock needed? If its just for appearance then I would say he is in the wrong, now if its because he needs it to accommodate a bigger boat then he is in the right.
The county doesn't run the water ways. That's the State. State supersedes County. Old man needs to go to the Department of Land and Natural Resources at tge State Building
Just because you CAN be an jerk doesn't mean you need to be. The older guy(s) might have plenty of time to figure out some petty ways to irritate the younger guy, though, whether through legal technicalities or otherwise. That seems to be part of a lot of these neighbor dispute videos I seem to have gotten roped into lately.
because the other docks aren't up to code. this story is about a grumpy old man who doesn't want to obey the law. he doesn't want to build his dock up to code while the young man is filing paper, getting permits, building his dock legally. the victim is the young man not the old man.
It may not be an issue with being up to code but how the docks were located and oriented on their water frontage previously that worked for everyone and now the new guy is legally changing the location &/or size of his that's causing the problem. Similar issues have happened when someone wanted to tear down an old house and build a new one bigger and closer to the neighbors. It impacts and changes the lives of the older residents but is totally legal. It can even be beneficial to to older residents because it usually boosts their property values - along with their property taxes.
I think most people commenting didn’t watch the story! New guy is building the way the code and covenants tell him to do it! All the other docs were built wrong he cannot get a permit to build his wrong he can only build his the way they approve!! The new guy has no choice either don’t build a dock or build they way everyone else was supposed to to begin with!
The young dude seems arrogant and unlikable but he may have a point in the others not having properly researched the legality of the situation. Sounds like a job for LAWYERMAN with his super powers to extract peoples money.
You're right, that Michael seems to be a real douch. Many times these older docks are not in modern day compliance but are "grandfathered in". The County is at fault here for granting the permit without visiting the property. And Michael's an a$$hole.
Just because someone has been shitting on your front lawn for the last 20 years while nobody lived on that property doesn't make it legal. Going by the same logic, just because someone has been keeping their boats on the property that you LEGALLY own for 20 years beforehand does not make it legal. As much as I symphatise with the grandpa here, his dock is built in an ilegal way.
@@istvankovacs4154 the problem is that they weren't built illegally twenty years ago. City revives it's codes and doesn't care what problems it created. And then a selfish neighbor moves in and doesn't care about neighborhood norms. So yeah, no law about being a jerk to your neighbors.
Look, if he is up to code then he is up to code. The codes need to be changed otherwise. I had a neighbor call the town with concerns about the setbacks of a shed I was building. I was good, but he was not. When they arrived they noticed his carport/storage building was on the property line, violating code. He thought his building was grandfathered in, but found out it was not. Had to move it 10 ft. Research before accusing.
So many people that are angry with the old man for complaining. We don't know the whole story. If the old mans dock was built under an old code it would be grandfathered in under the old code. If he has to modify it because the new dock forces him to then he would have to bring it up to code. The county should come out and survey the situation and help them resolve the problem. Also Lee county code say that any structure or moored boat should not block access to adjacent properties so the young guy could be screwed.
I don't think this is a "built to code" issue. It looks like the two docks are at angle from each other. It also appears that the new dock is significantly longer than the older dock. By doing that, it is built right in front of the older dock.
The statue only applies to legally permitted and build docks...It's not grandfathered, it's just that it never came up before the sale of one o the 2 houses.
You are what is wrong with this country period. Laws who needs them. I’m sure you would be perfectly happy with a neighbor building a driveway across yours. Then when you tried to correct it and the neighbor complained you would just say okay. You are an idiot.
@Jeff Young Using what is there is one thing. Adding on and causing problems is another. It's the same as people with 6 teens who each have a car (!) buying a house with a narrow 15' driveway, and expecting the neighbors to be okay with their kids and the kids' friends parking all over the neighbors' lawns, blocking their driveways and mailboxes, playing loud music and screeching until after midnight in the street. Would you be okay with that, too? To me, a good neighbor would have purchased house and property according to the current family requirements of a huge driveway, 4-car garage and parking in their own yard, and not have expected the neighbors to provide solutions or put up with the overflow.
@Jeff Young Is this the same dock? "The residence that would be served by the dock is located on a nearby street. McGuigan is owner and partner at The Firestone, Los Cabos Cantina in Fort Myers, and Ford's Garage." "What's more important, a bigger dock or being friends/ getting along with with your neighbors?"
not included in this report is whether or not the other owners attempted any discussions to find out what exactly would be happening. if the 'rich guy' informed them but they didnt respond then its all on them
Pause at 1:18 and you can read the permit that said approval is only granted if doesn't encroach on another property owner's riparian rights. So while he has a permit, what he's doing negates the scope of the permit based on the wording whether their docks were up to current code or not. It specifically states that it doesn't provide an opinion nor take into consideration of the riparian rights, just that it acknowledges that the scope of work he is doing meets current codes. If they go to court, he would lose the case based on the fact that the old guy's dock was there prior to the new work done on his and remained that way uncontested for a long time.
The issue never came up because no one ever sold their house. Being there first is not grounds for any defense in a property matter. It is an illegal structure, no one denies that. The old-timer has to tread lightly or they may force him to bring his dock to code or demolish it. His defense is based on sympathy alone.
If the old man's dock isn't built to code, and uses his younger neighbor's section of the canal to access his dock...that provision would not work in the old man's favor.
When i built my dock, the Corp of Engineers had to approve the design before the county would issue a permit. I would assume the same would apply to any changes to the original approved design.
I wonder what the update is on this case. I feel bad for the older neighbor but the younger neighbor seemed able to prove that he was right and building within the codes.
@@SurgeMMO did you comment without actually watching the video? the homeowner extended his dock--which was in legal compliance both before and after the proposed extension. then neighbor's dock was NOT in compliance and BECAUSE it was not in compliance it restricted his access if/when the compliant dock was extended. This is pretty basic shit here. How is it that you fail to grasp what is going on here?
Samuel Iam Yes I watched it and yes I understand what’s going on. This new owner is extending his dock. He’s making the dock as big as he’s permitted. The older docks that are in situ where built before the new codes where instated. While he is not doing anything illegal he has now docked other docks. His actions have had negative impacts on his neighbour and community. That is why I said it’s morally wrong.
@@SurgeMMO first, where did you get the impression that the older docks were built before new codes were instated. old or new, all docks are required to be up to code. and I think you better get yourself a dictionary and look up the word 'morality.'
In Washington I think there would be standing to claim usage of the out of codes docks cannot be infringed if they have been used for 7+ years that way. The same laws that say if part of your property includes a path commonly used by the public to access the beach and you post nothing to deter them then after 7 years of use it is still your property but the public has legal president to expect access.
A gang of youths have declared my neighbourhood their "hood" and have "tagged" it to inform other gangs. At the time of writing, we have not found a solution.
@@carlspackler91 Or calling the police after gathering enough evidence through CCTV? I don't mean that I wouldn't hate being in such a situation, but as long as law and order stay in effect you should rather call your local law enforcement before making any rash decisions. There is a BIG difference between self defense and murder.
@@istvankovacs4154 No one mentioned murder. It was said half jokingly, but with a weapon as accurate as a .22 , you could teach them a quick lesson they wouldn't soon forget without risking their life.
@@carlspackler91 Shit, you don't even have to shoot it. The junkies that were breaking into my neighbors car never came back around after they seen me come out of my back gate into our joint driveway holding my Springfield xd.
"Its in compliance, otherwise i dont think the county would have issued a permit." Ok. You obviously have no idea the of the ineptitude of government employees
I'm surprised by all the vitriol being flung at the younger guy. If your dock is not in compliance, you have no argument. It's up to you to make it right. It's not up the compliant guy to put up with your illegal dock.
Hey young pup..you haven't been around long enough to know that the "homework" changes from time to time.. you haven't even been around long enough to know what being neighboorly is about let alone just being decent
@Jessi Louis sure we can play the what if game and assume everything..throw non existent scenarios out and hope to strike a nerve..if your comment came true then you would be on here commenting the opposite of what you said..have you ever owned property on water?..shit changes..again you probably don't know that because you haven't been in that scenario..or even heard of something like this before..you do realize that government "officials" are responsible for the property lines, easements and all that..there's no way the city or county or state didn't mess up right?.. probably never heard of that before either
@Jessi Louis so you agree with me on the young man then..move on. If you don't like how I commented then thumbs down and move along with life..how is Florida by the way? Cold up here in Wisconsin
@Jessi Louis I believe you are the one that can't handle reading a comment without being triggered..and on something about age?..holy shit you read to much into someone's comment..hey this guy is a piece a shit cuz he said young pup..generalizing someone because of age..get a life key board warrior
the new dock may be in compliance as far as contruction goes, he may be in compliance, but that doesn't mean he's being a good neighbor. the ultimate fault lies with the original developer and how the lots were laid out.
Not necessarily. Whomever put in the old guys dock may have oriented it in a direction for the size of boats that were common at the time and it didn't interfere with the other dock. Now that the new guy is seeming expanding his legally, the old guy may be out of luck. He can probably still use his dock with some slight modifications but moving the boat lift would be the expensive part.
Hope all the old guys neighbors are happy with him...now everyone who does any improvements on their dock will more than likely have to pay to have a survey done
Why didn’t this guy just go to the county and say “Hey, I don’t want to build an out of compliance boat dock, but I also don’t want to block my neighbors access here, what do you propose I do”?
@@cyrilleyong9615 maybe it’s his dream boat dock or he needs a bigger dock for the boat of his dreams and he has worked hard and done well for himself. I support his actions he notified his neighbors (I would have offered to help with expenses to fix theirs) but gave them 6 months to act. He did everything right. Oh and if you can’t afford a $20,000 dock remodel move. They probably pay that in property tax each year.
@@CTity860 The issue is, its not one neighbor. They already said it would cause a chain reaction. Just because of him, other people will have to pay. The world doesn't revolve around one person. Im certainly not going to have other people pay money just because I want to do something.
There are plenty of stories of a city giving out a permit and later on the neighbor that the work infringes on is able to get an injunction or get the permit removed. Cities rubber stamp those permits sometimes by not doing the proper research.
It's unfortunate, but the young guy is doing everything right. The other neighbors either failed to do their due diligence, had incompetent inspectors during escrow, knowingly made a risky purchase, or created the violations themselves.
The young guy is within code and has every right to his project. The old guy has known forever that his dock wasn't in compliance but just didn't want to spend the money to correct it.
The old guy is being considerate of his neighbors. To correct the dock would block his neighbors until they also corrected theirs. This isn't "not up to code", these docks are old and we're in compliance originally, grandfathered into new code. But if new guy wants to be bad neighbors, I would have been more than happy to make his life a living hell.
Wait, the guy who is complaining has a doc that is not in compliance? If he's the one who's not in compliance, what is he complaining about? "Hey, I screwed up, now you have to accommodate me."