Droneracer tries FPV Fixed Wing

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My weird Patreon:
/ limon_fpv
My second weird channel:
/ @randomlimonfpv
00:00 - Intro
01:58 - Contest
02:21 - Fixed wing hassle
02:30 - Glue accelerator
03:00 - Laminating
03:45 - Popsicle sticks
04:03 - Sandpaper
04:22 - Wheel weights vs Center of Gravity
04:42 - Servos and ESCs
05:55 - Flight Controller
07:05 - Servo PDB
07:36 - Annoying wires
08:03 - Frames review
09:09 - Inav or Betaflight?
10:07 - How to deal with shit-talking?
10:35 - Launch
11:28 - Throttle control
11:45 - Landing
12:06 - Yaw
12:18 - Droneracers flying wings
13:26 - Wing chasing wing (operator - Mr Nice)
Some affiliate links:
Frame 1:
Sonicmode AR Wing classic
www.getfpv.com/sonicmodell-ar...
Frame 2:
AtomRC Penguin
atomrc.com/collections/fix-wi...
CA glue Accelerator:
amzn.to/3vapLWv
Laminating Film (I used 3mil):
www.racedayquads.com/products...
5V servos:
emax-usa.com/products/emx-sv-...
or HV servos:
emax-usa.com/products/es09md-...
Emax ESCs:
emax-usa.com/products/emax-bu...
FC from Speedebee stack:
www.speedybee.com/speedybee-f...
Matek Servo PDB:
www.getfpv.com/mateksys-servo...
Servo extensions:
www.getfpv.com/male-to-female...
Motors:
533 headsup 2207 1960kv:
flyfive33.com/collections/mot...
DJI O3 Airunit:
flyfive33.com/products/dji-o3...
I use ghost Receiver and module for radio
#Radiomaster Boxer radio
V2 DJI goggles
Dogcom 6S 1380mah batteries
Or these cheap ones:
flyfive33.com/collections/bat...
HQ R38 props:
flyfive33.com/collections/pro...
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#wing #rcplane #rcairplane #fpvplane #fpvairplane #rchobby

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10 июн 2024

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@dirtydogfpv6905 5 месяцев назад

115mph

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

perfect guess, you are the winner :) It's exactly 115mph. @dirtydogfpv6905 Could you reach to me on Facebook for details? facebook.com/spb.limon.spb

@dirtydogfpv6905 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon 123123

@fsbollox 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimonhi bro what would you recommend best fpv wing and do you recommend betaflight or inav

@AnansiFpv 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Limon, your videos always make my day. 👊🏼

@fp-AvERY 5 месяцев назад

just guessing about 78mph. Currently 3D printing my first FPV wing, super cool you are doing this video

@donphobos 2 месяца назад

I have been a collective pitch heli guy 2009-2011, then an airplane guy 2011-2015, then an FPV quad guy 2018-present. Talk about development :-)

@IvanEfimovLimon 2 месяца назад

thats a long career! cheers! :)

@modquad18 5 месяцев назад

66 mph and water also works to instantly cure CA. Cool vid 👍🏽

@yatzeegamingop 5 месяцев назад

I started building and flying rc planes 10 years ago and been flying fpv drones for like 4 years. My first advice to anyone who wishes to enter rc plane hobby is to start with a trainer model. Everyone wants to fly a fighter or super efficient wing but for newcomers, they are very hard to see and fly. Getting comfortable with a handbuilt foamboard trainer then switching to a wing is magnitudes cheaper and safer.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

thats solid advise! Especially for LOS which i find incredibly hard.

@saittafpv5846 5 месяцев назад

yes i fly both and heil and when first started with planes i did fixed wing lost one crest a lot the went to other planes then had fun Laurent a lot and now can fly anything just still cant spell lmao @@IvanEfimovLimon

@yatzeegamingop 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon I feel you, when i built and flew my first flying wing, there was no inav and i could not fly it. I didn't understand where the plane was pointed at and it was pointing at the ground 😂. Fun times.

@JonE5FPV 5 месяцев назад

Sam “well shucks” lol😅

@24kJames 5 месяцев назад

Loved it dude! Good times! Thank you.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

thanks! Good times for sure

@BigLewFPV 5 месяцев назад

Nice glad to see you guys are flying wings now to. Your speed is 89mph. Over 100 if your flying with the wind

@dupond9248 5 месяцев назад

youtube algorithm actually suggesting good stuff for once!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Lool glad you liked ))

@beauheath4863 5 месяцев назад

Epic. Laminating sounds like a massive pia but necessry for longevity. 113MPH

@baughaninastorm 5 месяцев назад

Lovely touch adding in a little JC clip. Miss his content. RIP

@Bruce-Gisbon 5 месяцев назад

Dude, that face accessory is on point! I think it goes 11 Peanut butters per Jelly, 60 percent of the time, every time.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

i need a bit of translation here :))

@ChainsawFPV 5 месяцев назад

Only when the roof toast is eaten by crocodiles, will it go 11 peanut butters.

@james429 5 месяцев назад

118 mph. My first time seeing your videos. Nice.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

thanks mate! Hope you stay for a little :)

@ChainsawFPV 5 месяцев назад

If this is your first video, pull up a chair and hang out. Ivans videos are informative and funny. You actually want to watch the whole thing, not bail after 2 minutes.

@williammalloy1070 5 месяцев назад

I wanna say 88MPH, Love the shirts. Thank You

@beeradfpv 5 месяцев назад

Nice to see you in wings. i'm gonna guess 62mph with that combo. I love wings and have to say HD wings with the O3 system is a so amazing. I do want to recommend you step up to a Ritewing Mini drak next. Its without a doubt my favorite of my fleet of 8. So fast and flies like its rails.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

how about pitch on this one? It's kinda hrd to believe that without a separate tail and elevetor it can be any responsive, fast, and predictable, whats your experience?

@MattVentureNL 5 месяцев назад

Thats a cool video! Nice chase!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

looool Matt )

@baggszilla 5 месяцев назад

Sick! Kevin's skit was funny man! "I'm probably going to do it again" hahaha I got a few wangs! 2 RTFs and 2 kits I got to build. I promise I won't quit FPV after. I believe it will fuel the passion more. Cheers!

@michaellounds9787 5 месяцев назад

At least 91mph, Keep up the videos!!!!!

@neilmarek4614 5 месяцев назад

Yea! you finally weren't lazy! I know how fast it was, but cant say. I do already see a close guess though. Who's gonna get the closest?

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Man, all these guesses are off so far lol. Well, not all but most

@danpenry8899 5 месяцев назад

I started flying r/c planes in 1978 and then switched to drones in 2012 and now i fly both to satisfy my addiction of flying

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Damn, i bet hobby was way different back then in 1978. ~10 years before i was born )

@ChainsawFPV 5 месяцев назад

Back in the days of crystal radios!!! Things were def different!

@danpenry8899 5 месяцев назад

@@ChainsawFPV I can remember some of the guys having the single stick on the radios to control alieron elevator and rudder and a slider to control throttle... I'm just glad I wasn't one of those guys back then and I was sure happy when when the crystals to change frequencies got phased out by technology in the early 2000's

@JoshHowell_profile 5 месяцев назад

Always loved flying wings. We've played the ribbon cutting game a few times and it's always a hit! I'm guessing 103mph.

@jlarson42 5 месяцев назад

Awesome intro to fpv wings. Looks like loads of fun. 136 mph 🤔

@SkipDisco 5 месяцев назад

92.4 mph! Great videos, thanks.

@Sk13565 5 месяцев назад

Those wings be looking nice, 57

@mazepa2341 5 месяцев назад

It was nice to watch your video, I started with planes myself. I would estimate the speed at 92 mph.

@FlydreamMedia 5 месяцев назад

88 mph, I'll be into fixed wings next year I bet

@casardo11 5 месяцев назад

awesome video! keep up the great work! 69mph

@CDRaff 5 месяцев назад

I got into LOS flying in 2013 or so and it kinda fizzled out until this time last year when I picked up a Nano Goblin. I got super hooked on it, and am working on 3D printing my 6th plane as I type this. I love quads, but damn FPV planes are super fun too.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Man, one day i want to learn LOS too. These wings are too fast for learning that tho. As i take my goggles OFF, its gone too far already lol

@CDRaff 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon I got really good with those little UMX planes from Horizon. They have great stabilization and are small enough that you can fly them in the park and crash them in the grass without really having to worry. It's a great skill to have too in case you lose video. I still fly analog and just recently went to maiden a plane with a cheap ESC that knocked out the video unless you had it at zero throttle. I put on my goggles and it was pure snow so I took them off and just landed. I did hit a bush(I fly out in the middle of the desert), but it was much better than the alternative.

@Rocketfpv 5 месяцев назад

68 mph ! Awesome video!!

@jacobstringfellow6802 5 месяцев назад

My best guess is 79mph. Great video man!

@protvinorock 5 месяцев назад

Блин, прикольная тема! Главное не бросить гонки :)

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

ага =)

@drogonfpv 5 месяцев назад

Love the shirt and the videos as always. 95 mph

@ronboFPV 5 месяцев назад

follow footage was incredible

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

THanks! Yeha it was Neil chasing me with the white wing. He's naturally good at chasing

@ooOoo..... 5 месяцев назад

Chasing an FPV wing with another FPV wing looks like the funnest shit ever I ain't even gonna lie

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

oh yea man it was super fun. Neil also loved it, and we doing it now every time we meet :) Kinda sorry Brian, but oh well lol

@lowpass_fpv 5 месяцев назад

fpv wings is my lovely part of fpv💘

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

it is indeed pretty fun :)

@RBRCbashem 5 месяцев назад

68mph…let’s go! I’ll help pay for shipping if I win 😂

@dirtydogfpv6905 5 месяцев назад

only gone and won the tshirt well happy

@fpv_am 5 месяцев назад

12:13 WHO HOHO HO HO HO HO HO it's sooooooo truuuueee man, I am also doing that every time I launch a wing first time. The workaround is to keed your left hand out of the sticks. You just bring it in when you need to adjust the throttle and just stear with a right hand, very easy peasy.

@R.B_B 5 месяцев назад

Please make the video about your setup and configurations you make to the wing fly good

@CantFly_FPV 5 месяцев назад

I've got an un-flown Zohd Alpha hanging on the wall that I bought on black Friday, in 2022... You've given me the motivation to fly it ... next weekend. Today I'm taking out my first ever newly built (and untuned) x-class because I need a reality check to remind me I'm a shit pilot and shit tuner. Good vid Ivan and I might be interested in your fork for the wing but I should get a FC for it first. Time to guess your top speed (in a separate comment of course) then get my shit together.

@MSR. 5 месяцев назад

Wing 🪽 speed 125mph 🤷‍♂️Don’t forget your glue and tape at the field for repairs too 🛠️ 😉

@silkjamfpv 5 месяцев назад

Niiice i can see building a fixed wing in my future! I already have popsicle sticks 😁

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Haha who don't love them )

@noscadefpv4954 5 месяцев назад

always great stuff.99.9mph.

@kevinjulievan 5 месяцев назад

awesome video! wings are fun but wangs are funner :) i've never put an actual flight controller on a wing but it's on my list of things to do. wing yaw wiggle waggle drives me a little nuts on some wings. i really want to put a new dji system on a fixed wing thing for sure!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

PID on differential thrust helped me a lot with that wiggle ) but at that point it's already a almost a plane, not a wang lol

$@redfraction$

@redfraction 5 месяцев назад

Ооо давно уже видосики не вылазили =) Дождался, ещё и про самолётики

@OTRFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Awesome video! Hilarious and informative! I'm going to guess 72mph 🤷‍♂️

@LunaFPV 5 месяцев назад

63mph. great video. a friend is helping me get into wings and they said they were mailing me everything but the foam board? do you have a recommendation on the type of foam to get? the laminating tips were super helpful . thank you.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Thanks man! I just bought a foam frame, the ones I have are in the description. The foam board usually means you will have to cut the frame from it by yourself :)

@IggyBiggy 5 месяцев назад

love the shirt

@sayyay6230 5 месяцев назад

98mh its been a long time since I've flown a wing. Feeli'n the itch

@SONICTONICfpv 5 месяцев назад

I called iron man and he said 109mph!

@CoopzVideo 5 месяцев назад

Damn, I was going to guess 83mph, but i see someone already guessed that. So I'll just go with 69 mph!

@andrewcooke8014 3 месяца назад

SIIIIIIIIIICK!!! I want one!

@gadgetrc94 5 месяцев назад

Give them wings some LEDs! Also, you're flying 114kmh

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

leds are fun, but DJI O3 can't handle any dark flying...

@artifixprime 5 месяцев назад

Have a wing coming from Aliexpress :) With that wing all laminated up, I'll go for 120mph in a sprint .

@Loganmofficial 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been thinking about getting a wing. You just inspired me to try one out. I’m gonna guess 68 mph

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Just don't quit FPV hobby after trying haha ))

@Loganmofficial 5 месяцев назад

I can't see myself doing that but I guess you never know. lol@@IvanEfimovLimon

@leflamantrosefpv1725 5 месяцев назад

thank you. i made a HK rajet and is a pretty fpv plane, and it fly like a charm. (with a matek f411 wte) amazing and more speed for more efficiency than a drone. for the speed >80mph (4s lipo) (i have to change the servos, esc, and motor one day)

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

thanks! Why you need to change servos for faster speeds?

@leflamantrosefpv1725 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon yes, because they are low speed, and not really precise..

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

@@leflamantrosefpv1725 maybe thats why mine stock servos gave up on me lol, and had to go with emax...

@Skytex1983 5 месяцев назад

I really need to come down and chase you again. Without my GoPro being trash. I know BigNasty is ordering a penguin with his Christmas bonus. I want to hold out for my DJI goggles so I can go digital. He's going analog on his.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

yean man, come on over for sure, it's fun! Analog on the wing is just as fun i think, except you just can't record juicy video, but that's it.

@TweakRacer 5 месяцев назад

This ShitPilot guesses that the black wing goes 65 mph

@PrOpJuNkiE 5 месяцев назад

137mph top wing speed

@Brian-S 5 месяцев назад

Don't try and start with a 3d printed wing to anyone watching lol. You'll just end up sad when it breaks into pieces the first launch 😅

@dobirdfly4428 5 месяцев назад

You always that song. I really like it. Do you know the band or you just like it?

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

It was the first song in free youtube music library lol. But i really like it. It's called "NEFFEX enough".

@richardruckert7954 5 месяцев назад

What is the dry weight and AUW for an average wing? I guess 78.6 mph

@FPV_Cam 5 месяцев назад

Fun to see some wing content! I'm guessing 88mph

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Thanks! :)

@marcbabulenko8336 5 месяцев назад

120 kmh. Love the shirt 😂

@MayanHawk 5 месяцев назад

I'm going to say 82mph. I'd love to try wings again... last time ended in a tree

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

I ended up there multiple times already )

@rbFPV 5 месяцев назад

So will the changes be merged into mainline betaflight? I'm guessing it can fly as fast as 88.8 mph

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

That's the plan, Sir.

@AnotherTrucking 5 месяцев назад

Great vid im guessing at 69mph

@dwn681 5 месяцев назад

What song do you play at the end of your videos? It’s great.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

it's NEFFEXE nough, yeah i like it!

@dwn681 5 месяцев назад

Found it. ‘Enough’. Sick song. Thanks man.

@dobirdfly4428 5 месяцев назад

On 6S I believe it can go about 80mh. I want that t-shirt!

@JD-FPV 5 месяцев назад

88mph!

@mark6302 5 месяцев назад

i dont need to get in to this I've spent enough money :p

@GeKoFPV 5 месяцев назад

88 mph ;) nice video!

@testpilotian3188 5 месяцев назад

My S800 build was clocked at 240kmh this year, (6S, 2400kv motor that lasted a few runs) luckily I didn’t get a speeding ticket but if yours isn’t that quick, you need to up your game lol.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

What motors and props? :)

@testpilotian3188 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon xing2 2400kv with the ethix 6inch bi blade prop (the pink and purple ones) with a regular cnhl black 1300 6s, the trick to getting really high speeds is to go up as high as you can then dive, we found and additional 65k doing that. The motor is the 4s freestyle one so it will burn out after 4 or 5 full throttle runs but it’s so much fun, especially flying FPV at that speed, can’t remember how many wings I’ve destroyed doing it though lol.

@lambo_drives 5 месяцев назад

Clocked Speed = 99.9 mph..... giver or take and it may have hit a peak of 110 mph

@danieledm0101 5 месяцев назад

105 mph that’s got top speed

@kandredfpv 5 месяцев назад

But what would my quads think if they knew I was flying fixed wing? I don't think they could survive the betrayal. No wonder other pilots quit the hobby....their quads probably never flew right after that.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

now it all makes sense lol.

@donphobos 2 месяца назад

127 mph, please. With Limon power!

@IvanEfimovLimon 2 месяца назад

thats close :))

@trevorlillico 5 месяцев назад

Great video. I would guess 94 mph.

@dropfile 5 месяцев назад

"Боже пропал дом Что будет с паровым отоплением?" (c)

@Pilotkosinus 5 месяцев назад

don't scare me. i ordered a wing yesterday. i don't want to stop doing fpv haha

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Just be aware and you good lol

@GaweNowakowski 5 месяцев назад

I am guessing 109mph. I started with fpv on fixed wing than started building quads and I have not quit yet so maybe this is correct order.

@MechDale 5 месяцев назад

Have my first wing built and waiting for the guts to maiden. my guess is 103mph.

@alex97349 5 месяцев назад

Hello Ivan I would say 88mph. Thanks

@Mayday.Aerial 5 месяцев назад

Man, my next project is 100% a wing :)

@steeveraye1787 5 месяцев назад

Final guess, 150mph!!

@xfOL. 5 месяцев назад

тру стори) насчёт тех, кто после квадов переходит на крылья

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Очень странно, но правда )

@R.B_B 5 месяцев назад

What is the model of this black wing?

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

It's Sonicmodel AR. Wing classic

@altermannfliegt3927 5 месяцев назад

The max speed is between 111 and 118 mph, I guess. Wings are great and definitely worth to try out❤ I think I have to laminate my plywood AR Wing Pro too. The wings are not stiff enough.😢(I have no desire)

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Can't give a range, gotta be one number ) But yeah, they aren't for crashing, that's for sure

@altermannfliegt3927 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon Then 111 mph, it's a nice number, but I'm pretty sure that it is between those two. Anyway, I love your English 👍

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

@@altermannfliegt3927 lol, thanks :) some people hate it tho )

@rhorstman100 5 месяцев назад

I'd say 87 mph? Love fixed wing fpv ...

@carbonEYE007 5 месяцев назад

I started out with a fms f35 with a ratel2 camera lol. I still fly fpv everyday, it’s hard to give up my open racer! ended up hanging the f35 up before I smashed it Your speed was 77

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Damn that fms f35 looks like super fun :)

@carbonEYE007 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon I do wish I had got something with a rudder. It’s easy enough to bank and yank I suppose.

@kevinjulievan 5 месяцев назад

i'm not going to be happy until i see dvr of an inverted figure 8. do it!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

i can fly inverted in a straight line, that's about it so far lol

@dobirdfly4428 5 месяцев назад

What do u use for vtx? DJi or HDZero?

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

It's a DJI O3, Sir. Hdzero would be just as fun tho

@dobirdfly4428 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon I am a real shitpilot and left HDZero to move to DJI... I always wanted to get a wing. Is it really too hard to use BF? I'm really looking to fly acro or maybe the equivalent of "angle"

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

@@dobirdfly4428 nah, it's not hard. Just a few extra parameters

@andyukraine 5 месяцев назад

Тоже хочу попробовать fixed wing после квадров. Посматриваю на HEEWING Ranger T-1 или тот же T-1, но VTOL.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Я смотрел на что-то подобное с HEEWING Ranger T-1. Но там похоже нужны другие моторы совсем, чем с гоночного квада.

@R.B_B 5 месяцев назад

Planes for FPV hobby for my is the best for the lomger flight time

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

i agree, its also very relaxing to fly them longer range for some reason

@whatsthematter8767 5 месяцев назад

I'm going to guess 120kph with that setup since I've seen wings easily go 200kph and even 300kph.

@fpv_am 5 месяцев назад

4:47 frame, yes yes, it's a frame.

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Haha ))

@CantFly_FPV 5 месяцев назад

Top speed guess: 126mph (of course only flown at 100mph to appease the FAA turds hanging around, unwanted...)

@AntonVolkovIsAwesome 5 месяцев назад

You were supposed to fight evil, not join them!!!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

loool

@SlavaSomov 5 месяцев назад

Подача материала - чума. Очень приятно вас смотреть. Все больше задумываюсь о крыле. Очень в тему выпуск

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Спасибо! Летать на крыле - огромное удовольствие и что-то сравнимое с медитацией, по сравнения с квадами

@SlavaSomov 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon Меня пугает сложность посторойки/настройки при отсутствии готовых решений. Ну и айнав мутный про который вы уже упомянули. Хочется будучи новичком легко зайти, купил и полетел. А уже потом самому спокойно строить

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

@@SlavaSomov это да, я не знаю хороших готовых решений, которые были бы не такие дорогие. Кажется, всегда придётся строить самому, или выкладывать $$$....

@SlavaSomov 5 месяцев назад

@@IvanEfimovLimon Да меня дорогое не пугает совершенно. Посоветуете?

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

@@SlavaSomov я, очевидно, не слишком силён в самолётах, но Atom RC penguin, который в видео, есть в версии RTF: atomrc.com/collections/fix-wing/products/atomrc-penguin-twin-motor-fpv-rc-airplane-fixed-wing?variant=40235247632517 Я так думаю, там не хватает только видео системы и аккумулятора

@JustInTime0525 5 месяцев назад

69 miles for the wing lol, wish there's an easy BNF wing on the market with ELRS receiver built-in!

@IvanEfimovLimon 5 месяцев назад

Yeah.. I think there lots of great frames, but all bnfs with them are meh...

@ChainsawFPV 5 месяцев назад

The Atom RC Dolphin is as close as your going to come. It is NOT BNF tho. You have to add a receiver. But the price and quality of the Dolphin is top notch. They have a huge bay with tons of room, and fly amazing. There are tons of tunes out there from others who have built the same, so copy and paste is great for newer people. And their Facebook group will tell you everything you could want to kno from others who have tried different combos.