During the previous aggression on Gaza four years ago, social media platforms were banning Arabs from talking about the Palestine issue, mentioning it, or criticizing the occupation. They launched massive campaigns to close accounts. To circumvent this, users started writing in classical Arabic without dots to avoid detection and bans. Surprisingly, everyone was able to understand the text without dots without any problem.
@@JacobKuchkov Ah yes, Palestinians Christians and Muslims who didn't flee the Roman attacks after the Bar Kokhba (Bin Kawkab) rebellion are supposed to give up THEIR frigging ancestral land to outsiders? Yes, yes, AshkeNAZIs and other Jews effectively became outsiders after they had decided to flee away from their lands after the Roman attacks. The Bar Kokhba (Bin Kawkab) rebellion was for nothing.
My mom told me that the reason why there are dots and tachkil in our language not because of confusion. Arabs didn't have a single problem with that. It was for Non-arabs that had that confusion when learning Arabic. As for Arab borns they have no problem with their own language
The dots and strikes were added for non Arab Muslims so they don’t mistake the recitation. Any arabian can read the scriptures without dots by understanding the meaning of the sentence. More over the Quran was delivered by reciting not writing.
The shape of the letters, how they are arranged and what the letters forming the word are - help to differentiate between similar non dotted letters like (ت ب ث ح خ ج ع غ ف ق ص ض س ش ط ظ د ذ ر ز) I was able to do that as a kid when we first took the lesson about Abu alaswad alduo'ali so it shouldnt be hard
The Quran was sent in Arabic because THE PEOPLE THERE SPOKE ARABIC. The Arabic language is no more "holy" than any other human language and to claim otherwise can and will lead to cultural elitism (as you're demonstrating right here with your comment).
@@Solotocius never said it was brother. Allah choose the lowest people at the time and elevated them to show us the miracle in the message. I said the arabic language is vast much like other languages like mandarin, Somali, and other languages that i dont know
This video was AMAZING. I actually thought you had thousands of subscribers, but was surprised to find you have less than a hundred. Too underrated. This channel has a bright future ahead of it, I’m sure of it. PS: As an Arab, good job on your Arabic pronounciation. It was FLAWLESS!
The change back to pre-i3jām makes sense: Arabs could do without dots and vowel marks, but had to develop them for non-Arab converts to Islam. The Fremen are kind of isolated on Arrakis and nobody's particularly interested in their culture except for the sake of getting more spice until the Atreides get there. So Fremen can do with a simplified Arabic script. Although it was my understanding that they didn't actually speak Arabic except for some words. Was it Chakobsa or something else that they spoke? Fremen are also only partially inspired by Arab (or Berber - not the same at all) bedouins. The story draws on a book about the Muslim Daghestani (or another Muslim population in the Caucasus or around there) resistance against the Russians. Those are not Arabs, though they are Muslims. Nice video btw!
Daghestani people and others who are now part of Russia, also who were part of ussr their language alphabet was written in Arabic letters.. I think it was like that until 1930 when Russia changed it. Same like what's happening now to the uyghur their script is written in Arabic letters and China changes it currently.
@@TheTruth-ko9ovwhat are you on about? Have you even been to Xinjiang? Uyghurs still study/write in the Arabic alphabet (or more specifically the Iranian variant)
Honestly, a complete mistake on my part. You're right, it is 20,000 years into the future not 10,000. I've added it to the disclaimers section in the Google Doc in the description now, thanks for mentioning it here.
I remember when we were kids we used to give others the sentence "قيل قتل فيل قبل طلوع الفجر" without the idjem اعجام so we can test people inteligence somehow lol, though arabs still can understand the words without it giving context just like we understand without teshkil (vowels), though i think in still an easier sentence than the above lol
honestly makes sense since Dune seems to be sort of semi regressed civilization in postmodern / post AI future wont be surprised if they had to recreate aspects of language and have it be in a regressed state
Fremen is mainly Arabic yes but Dune also has other non-Arabic elements - Nezhoni scarf - Kwisatz Haderach etc that been said Fremen is still quite close to Arabic, even if they added a few sounds and loaned a few words, and well done on this video!
That's cos in the Dune universe many religions have grown beyond themselves, even merging with others That's why you get religions like the 'Zen-Sunni' - a form of Islam guided by Taoist principles
@HighlyEntropicMind brought me here. Top tier video man, I love seeing connections like that, and it was cool to learn about the history of the language. Right to the point too! I think the pacing is a liiitle fast, I had to turn the video down to 0.75x speed to absorb the section goong over the changes in the structure of the language over time. Pretty much ideal content, looking forward to the incoming spike in viewers!
Also we already don't use that complicated system, we only use Tashkeel to remove ambiguity when a word could have two forms that fits the same context. Keep going btw lovely channel.
Dude you know your shit, I grew up in Egypt and most of the Written Arabic grammar was so difficult, physics and maths seemed simple in comparison, I had nightmares about Arabic exams 😅, I can tell it took a lot of dedication to study Arabic let alone it’s linguistic history, kudos to you my friend .
Very nice, informative video about the elements of the Arabic language. Just a quick note. The Dune Encyclopaedia is not canon to the Dune books themselves (even though the author said it was fine, it didn't mean he approved every element of it and said that he might change a few things as he continued writing). It is interesting about the pre I'jam state of Chakobsa in it though. Congrats on how well this video has done! Well deserved.
@@mohammadsaleh28 لقد كانت رغبتي أن تكون "تجرؤ" جمعا. شيء مثل "تَجَرَّؤا". أعتذر إن كنت قد أخطأت في صرف الكلمة، هل يمكنك إخباري لماذا هي خاطئة؟ شكرا جزيلا على التصحيح!
Man when this was recommended to me in RU-vid i was intrigued, but the after finishing and subscribing i was flabbergasted. You have below 1k subs? I thought you would have 100k at the least. Man this channel will be going places. Keep up the good work 💪
You earned a subscriber (current count 186 with me). If you keep it up with the funny and informative and unique style that you showed here, I am pretty sure you will reach 1k and 10k subs in no time
Yes, the reason why the dots and vowels were added was because of non Arabs who would have a hard time understanding this. Arabs would naturally understand it.
I can without vowels but without dots is insane and I'm an arab Like how can u differentiation between د ذ ط ظ ع غ ف ق ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض etc.
I mean if it’s already happening Idk tho. Because typically only the Quran still has harakat of course so there’s no changing the scripture but like street writing outside is really hard for me to read as a non Arab because they put only the letter no harakat and students take notes with no harakat so who knows maybe only the Quran will have harakat and dots and they do just revert back to no dots
This is a great point to make. As far as I've learned, Ad-Du'ali helped establish a standard for it in relation to the Qur'an. I might add this to the disclaimers section in the Google Doc. Thank you
What a brilliant piece of documentation. Its a nice treat for someone thats native language isnt arabic but can recite modern texts and yeah what you said about Dune’s Fremen Language, nice 👌
اهلا! As an Arab, I enjoyed this video a lot! I’ve heard that the old Arabic script was written without dots, but I never got a detailed explanation like this before. The Dune part was also very cool. I appreciate you have studied our language and love it, hope to see more videos like this in the future!
Just a note... the Dune Encyclopedia is essentially just publish fan fic. Herbert got a kick out of it but he did not officially support or deny the claims. The in-universe explanation seems to be that the Dune Encyclopedia comes from even further in deep time and many ideas shifted and histories were misremembered. So... take it with a grain of salt.
While it is kinda funny that the Fremen use simplified arabic script, I do feel it is a bit out of place in the otherwise solid worldbuilding of Dune. Arabic, at least in its modern cursive variety, is intended to be written with ink, a pen and paper, which would be impossible to do in Dune, as there are basically no plants to speak of, and all of our paper is in some way plant derived. On top of that, even with paper, ink needs to be wet to be usable, which the water preserving Fremen would no doubt see as a waste of water. The only two other options I can think of are clay tablets (which also need to be wet to be usable, so same problem there) and straight up carving inscriptions into stone, which I think is the most likely. Because of this, the mostly curvy arabic script would likely simplify further into a straight line based writing system, similar to how arabic was originally "written" down. This would also probably change the way in which they would use writing in general, from a more casual use to one more focused on marking important places/stories etc, as stone is to cumbersome to carry around, specially for a seminomadic people (although they might be able to get away with carrying small tablets if they use the worms to get around).
Oh this is such a cool idea to explore! I really hope someone deep dives into this and looks at possible alternatives to a "what could've been" fremen writing system.
do more of these man... I'm trying to learn arabic to better understand the Quran, and I'm learning about how complex this language is (I'm a native Urdu speaker/writer but I'm still baffled)
As an Arab myself, I must admit I never knew the origin of اعجام. Love the way you present your content, it's dynamic and entertaining. Immediately subscribing! Also, I think some other people pointed it out but gotta say it again, your pronounciation was ON POINT!
I am actually reading 700 year old scriptures about hadith with my shiekh which is not the same as today's arabic but not completely without iejam somewhere in the middle and we will print the scripture into a book when we are done we have 5 copies of the same scripture from different ancient libraries they differ only in the order of the hadith some times but other than that it is really a wonderfull experience
hey! this was a really nice jab at the language system in dune although I wish the video didn't so abruptly haha, alas I'll be looking forward for more~ also as another commenter mentioned you're Arabic pronunciation is damn great, either you've worked really hard on it or your actually a native speaker lol
Thank you! I tried to keep it short and sweet but yes there is still so much more that could've been explored, hope you'll stick around. Also I'm honored, but no unfortunately I'm not an Arabic native speaker, I've just been learning the language for a long time.
@@ifoundacloud That's awesome man, you actually got me because you sounded like a native speaker and your ع was really great, you even rolled your r when just speaking normal English! Although I don't know how much of that was intentional or not. Anyways keep it man.
Bro, i am an arab/berber from north africa. when i heard the girl "shani friends" talks about how paul would look handsome with fremen blue eye, i felt a bump in my chest,i found it so familiar. I had to repeat that so many times.
Interesting vid. Though I had first seen the Sci-Fi/Sy-fy Dune and Children of Dune, I've getting a bit into it thanks to the new movies (not perfect but the second one is interesting enough). Also, this might be controversial to ask (especially given the man I'll mention), but didn't al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf have some involvement/influence in developing the tashkiil? I could be mistaken since I thought I heard it from somewhere.
