timothee chalamet has a surprisingly good screaming voice. like it doesn't sound forced at all. it's just the right amount of aggressive and commanding.
you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!
At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using. But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice. Way different from his normal tone
@@chance1774 That's why I got a bit of a chuckle out of people after Part 1 saying, "Well, he did a good job at that whole 'callow youth' thing, but I'm still not convinced that he could transform into a charismatic military leader." Sad to say that I haven't seen The King yet, though I'd like to, but I've heard he got very good reviews for it, and if there was a dictionary entry for "charismatic military leader," Henry V is a good bet for the picture next to it.
@@romankotas448 no he didn't. Dune 2024 communicates how people are willing to risk their lives in the name of an idol - showcasing how said idols are great at mob control & instilling a sense of "cause". the viewer can hear Chalamet's speech, and feel, "Damn, if I were Fremen, I CERTAINLY would join the Mahdi's army". Charisma is important for any tyrant.
You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.
@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.
@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.
@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people
The original had some Shakespirian and romantic vibe which gives some charm to this movie, while the new is more agressive, gritty and grounded. The first one acts like a coach with Jesus Christ complex who just concludes his hero's journey. While the second acts like a potential and relentless Ditactor willing to send his enemies to ''Paradise''
Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.
@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!
1948 feels more like a conclusion of a typical hero journey. A young prince finally found his kingdom. I struggle to see myself in the crowd of fanatical Fremen because for me this Paul reminds me of any other politician In comparison 2024 feels more sinister. Paul uses everything he has to make Fremen follow his. He reminds them that he's a duke, he call himself a saviour, he switches to using their language to suggest he is one of them. He's a charismatic religious figure and I understand why so many people want to believe he is special
Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future! This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy
@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.
@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit
My dad loves the old version so much that id watch it with him and he'd read me the books cause its his favorite book but when he went to go see the new movies both part 1&2 he said I quote "When I read the books this is what i imagined and is phenomenal, the 80s were fun but compared to the new with even the minor changes it still spectacular". Denis really outdid himself 9/10.
84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books. 00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book. 24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks. There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.
@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.
I don't remember the original book all that well, but the Villeneuve films were way better at nailing the overall feel of Paul's ascension. Yes, he's the hero of his own story, but he had to manipulate an entire race into becoming a death cult in order to win. It's as horrifying as it is compelling, and the newer movies nailed that feeling.
They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib. In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.
Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.
There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.
@@araisikewai holy fuck the only fault of Paul's was not being strong enough to become history's own boogeyman, how is he not to be cheered for? He couldn't shoulder rejecting his humanity, wow what a bastard??
funny how people just claim they would never fall for something like this and why anybody would... I grew up in a 3rd world country in a poor neighborhood... religion and family were the core pillars. Imagine if you grew up with nothing no access to education, starving, no internet other devices with access to it. faith and elderly teachings only...
@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl Paul's teachers include The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet
@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!" francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)
The inclusion of a made up language was brilliant. But this wasn't about the language or the studio effects. It was all about the delivery. The acting on Dune '24 was superb.
The first film feels very much like a standard hero's journey, but the new one honestly makes me terrified seeing how quickly the minds of the masses can be swayed to do a single person's bidding, EVEN WHILE KNOWING that all these prophecies were Bene Gesserit implants from hundreds of years ago. There are so many emotions running through scenes.
1984 Paul was pretty much giving classic hero speech, while 2024 Paul seems more like a predator going for the kill. I just love how he started his speech saying "There's no one here that can stand against me!" Really, that was something that I was not expecting
Great video. Unfair to compare Lynch to Villeneuve, as they come from such different cinematic schools but I'll say this for young Timothée; he sure knows how to give a damn speech!! (Hal also rocked it in 'King' :)... Gratitude!
The clear difference between the two (apart from the obvious difference in technology, I mean 40 years have passed) is that '84 Paul looked like he was in control of his emotions while 2024 Paul was totally deranged, fell into his own fundamentalist fervor, he's really what the Bene Gesserit feared the most
They romantesized the Harkonnen ( brilliantly ) in the new movies, but robbed the atreides of the air of mysticism the former version had... " a sleeper must awaken " Not to say old Harkonnes weren't disturbing at times, but somehow the new harkonnes vs the old atreides would have made the picture complete... But this is personal taste thing.
I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room
I’m sorry. This is just my opinion I’ve always found the Lynch version of Dune ridiculous. Put side by side with this new version which is an adult science fiction masterpiece, the Lynch only suffers more. Granted, they could not do the level effects accomplished in the Villeneuve version. But that’s far from an excuse. Both The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi existed when Lynch made his Dune so there was a level of ability they didn’t even try to accomplish.
The second version seems way better at getting its point across. Paul is not a hero. He knows how bad the future will be if he sticks to the path laid before him after drinking the water of life, yet he pursues it anyway, turning his friends into followers. The fanaticism really adds to it too, feels all the more sinister.
It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.
I don’t think Paul is in love with himself or his mythos. He saw all possible futures and this was the only one that would save humanity from extinction. It’s the first step on the Golden Path that his son will complete.
I think this scene most clearly shows how much better DV's Dune films are. And it's even more impressive when you compare the *full scenes* side by side. In Lynch's full scene, the Fremen are already won over and it's mostly saber rattling. In DV's full scene, Paul transforms before your eyes and you can actually see why the Fremen would follow him. But unfortunately, this edit seems to be playing up the Chani/Zendaya hate by focusing on her. 😐
I don’t know why people defend lynch by saying he had budget constraints or whatever issues internally or because back then the technology wasn’t advance enough to create scenes like the current dune and many other excuses. The main issue was his art direction and whatever he was trying to do to represent dune. It was made to look like some romanticised soap opera. The Denis version set the tone of it being realistically minimalistic, dark and gritty, the cinematography emphasise a lot on the scale and setting also. Take a good look at old movies which set the standard for its remakes. 1982 blade runner is a freaking good example. The tone setting and scale sets the standard. The 2049 one followed in its footsteps.
Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film. Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.
I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.
Chani’s problem is Denis altered her character from the book to stand in for the audience to drive home Paul is a villain. In the book, she was big time Team Paul. The book takes place over years. Paul and Chani already had children who were murdered by the Harkonnens during their attack on seitch Tablr. Denis could have kept her the same and still it would have been clear Paul is bad news for the Freman. Regardless, Paul knew he was using the people he had grown to love, but it was the only way to save humanity. Denis’ change of Chani’s character really makes a mess of the storyline in Dune Messiah.
Let's not sugarcoat it, guys. Dune 1984 might be a fun movie, in a guilty-pleasure sort of way, but it's not a good adaptation. Like, at all. Characters turned into parodies of themselves. Weird, grotesque visuals that are less expansions on the story and more just David Lynch being... well, David Lynch. Needless alterations like those "weirding modules". And finally, a complete misunderstanding of Dune's core themes: The dangers of fanaticism and imperialism, and a warning against charismatic leaders. Yes, Denis's film changes some things here and there. But it adapts Frank Herbert's themes, and the epic scope of his work, in a way the 1984 film never did.
@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad
Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.
I know I know different times, diferents movies. But the new movie oblirates the first one. I know that all about movies has improved sustancially. But the voice and acting skills its on another level.
1984 es un discurso con un tono mas de la realeza y político, en la del 2024 es mas tintes de demagogia con un cierto autoritarismo bañado por un fervor religioso, casi divino
@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…
@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.
@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s. It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time. Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time
1984: Paul's a hero, and he's gonna lead some cool martial artists to the final fight. Cool video game. 2024: I'm genuinely frightened of Paul and the Fremen because this is hitting home WAY too hard. Fuck.
1984 speech is like watching a high school rally by someone running for class president. 2024 speech is like watching Adolf Hitler in his prime giving a speech in a packed Munich stadium.
Dune 1984 speech seems to be of higher vibration and from a place of standing in one’s destiny and power. Kyle(actor who plays Paul) seems lighter and higher vibration. The new dune seems like a false prophet type of speech. Even Timothée(actor who plays Paul in the new film)seems a lot more darker energetically. I had a hard time listening to his speech as it came across satanic to me.
Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?
@@aarenlacerna2694 But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom? It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".
@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.
@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter. As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma. Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that. This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too. That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.
If you draw parallel with islam, mohammed had concerns over fanatacism and him becoming a demigod idol when after he passed away. He made sure nobody made his statue and paintings to prevent that.
He was partially successful, in that for the most part the Muslims avoided depicting him. A few images exist, like medieval Persian miniatures, largely showing Muhammad with his face veiled. Even more rare are those which show his face completely; such is the strength of the prohibition. Having said that, some Muslims have found ways to circumvent this prohibition. The most notable example is the Ottoman Turkish ḥilya, in which a written description (often in beautiful calligraphy) of Muhammad’s appearance is framed on walls as decorations. Leave it to humans to know how to sneak around things…
Ya cuz that totally worked. Its not like islam is the most fanatical religion in modern history. Second only to Catholicism in total history (which also gets criticized by dune imo).
@@zydarking and it's useless since only happened hundreds of years after prophet Muhammad's death. At this age no one can says specifically how his face is. A depicted picture is just a useless attempt with no proof
@@zulhilmi5787 I'd say it was over a thousand years after his lifetime. But yes, it is useless but also shows the lengths people will go to. The visual depiction was/is prohibited, but there is no prohibition on the written depiction. If the intent was to prevent Muslims from venerating Muhammad in a manner which could lead to Shirk, then this arguably is a halfway step. What would be the difference between someone placing a ḥilya in their home, hung on the wall in a place of honour, when compared to (say) Christians placing the supposed images of Jesus on their walls?
Part 2 was great but still a lot Lynch and Herbert’s Dune superior. Especially how Lynch managed to get some of the greatest actors of that generation and Kyle who also was a Herbert Superfan that impressed Frank Herbert is still underrated extraordinary actor
@@blank7764 Not really, Frank Herbert is on record praising Kyle M performance and talking about how much of a fan he was of the books that impressed Herbert. Copium? You can't deny reality either that the cast of Dune 1984 isn't stacked with some of the greatest actors and Oscar winning set designers and costume creators ever. Many of the characters in the new Dune were utterly less memorable performance compared to the 1984 adaption. Sure it wasn't perfect though. I can only assume you're a zoomer who has no idea who those actors are, but Dune 1984 has the greatest actors of its generation and time period.
The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better
The sad truth is neither captured the magic of the books. Those books have fascinated generation after generation after generation, each obsessed with making their own vision of it. Dune has been made as a major production three times now. There will be a fourth. Because nothing can compare to the books. (also the new movies fucked some of the best characters up hard for the sake of pandering to a modern audience, so if you hated Chani in the movies definitely read the books).
@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons: 1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me. 2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune. 3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks 4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.
Chani frowning like a petulant child is just weird. They really ruined her. Yeah her role was minimal in the book but at least she isn't an insane lunatic whose viewpoint makes no sense.
@tiernanrea1726 The Fremen are literally Zensunni meaning a religious combination of Buddhism and Islam. The Mahdi is also a very real teaching in Islam.
1:39 Reminds me of when Achilles led the Murmadons and took the beach of Troy, then climbed the cliff post-battoe and lifted his sword to the crowd of Greek warriors at the on the beach
Dune 2024's version can't possibly blow the original out of the water any harder, the impact and cool factor is like comparing a butter knife to a machete.