He suprised me so much, i wasnt sure about the first movie. Nothing too special, but here he fucking OWNED the role. Super impressive, not many could have sold it as well as he did.
I love that detail because a huge part of the book when paul is making speeches is how calculated he is with his words/emotions as to not overstep and fulfill the prophecy smoothly and not appear too aggressive
He's not a Savior. He's not there to "save" you. He won't come to you and say "Be not Afraid". Because the future he foresees? You *should* fear. That you don't is why it is inevitable.
@@MrCharles7994 Paul even says as much when he tells Gurney about visions of death and mayhem, not because he loses control, but because he gains it. Paul knows the storm is building and that there are no routes through it that avoid bloodshed, but he also sees one path - a narrow one - that will, in time, lead humanity out of the growing darkness. He sees that he will have to be an instrument of terror in order to clear a path to peace, and even knows that his own betrayal is part of that path. Paul sees many futures and they're all bleak, so he's choosing the one that seems the least bleak in the long term, but it's going to cost some sixty billion people their lives and eventually destroy the entire culture of the Fremen.
There are so many ways this scene could have been cringe, flat, or unconvincing. So many things needed to be done right for this moment to work, and they pulled it off.
Agreed. This scene (as well as it's acted by Chalamet) is more down to Bardem (the believer), Ferguson (the false priestess), Zendaya (the denier) and Brolin's (the realist) reaction to it. They all react in different ways that just elevates everything.
In the first movie I thought the actor didn’t have the charisma to be this strong leader character, but damn I was proven wrong. He absolutely NAILED this scene. The charisma is on a whole other level. This scene gives me the chills.
I was a bit worried he might prove too lightweight as well, but when the transformation occurred after the Water of Life he just f-ing bossed it. I'd also worried that he lacked a convincing physical presence in the fight scenes (especially apparent in the fight scene with Jamis) but he rectified that easily in the fight with Feyd.
@@frostyrobot7689 Truly a testament to the talent of both the actor and the director. I don't think any other actor could pull off Paul the same way. Timothee has a small frame and he was able to capitalize its potential for feebleness as a precocious teenager with a lot to live up to, and then he was able to swiftly shift into mighty stature as a force of nature you are fully convinced can lead AND WIN a Holy War... the command of his voice and his eyes... I truly cannot think of a better actor to play Paul Atreides at the moment. He connects perfectly with his representation of the character
Really love that the Fremen aren't just shocked or cower at his boldness when stating no one can take him on but everyone in the room young and old actually pulls their blade essentially saying "Let's go homeboy!"
@@Littletime839 I could even call it sigma because of the trends lol, but you know how badasses just lower their bodies as if to point out there are no threats to them in the proximity, kind of a power move "I'm down here, what are you gonna do about it? Take a swing?"
@@Chikilin2206Yes, that's a great power move. On top of that, it's the squat that many fremen did in this and the previous films. When Paul squats down, it symbolises that he's fully fremen now. When everybody's looking at him, he takes his time observe others. Although he's all alone, surrounded by thousands of hostile fighters, he makes himself comfortable, because he knows that there wasn't a single moment when he was in danger. That's somewhat of a divine invincibility. Brilliant directing.
@@notd0ll109 he literally loved the David Lynch version, why would he hate this far more faithful adaptation that stays true to his philosophy and ideas in the books with some slight changes? Grow up
@@puresh9072 Because this version is utter dogshit. Never speak again boy, you lack the braincells. He would've utterly hated this, the DL version is straight up superior, the only thing this has is better CGI, that's it
@@puresh9072 He did NOT love the Lynch fuckup. He LIKED it and mostly for the surreal weirdness. He was irritated by the added stuff and he hated the end, especially the studio version in which it rains. But he would have loved Villeneuve's version. Unlike Lynch and his dumpster fire of a bad movie, he understands and loves the source material and he adapted Dune very faithfully, especially in terms of the message, with many clever artistiv changes snd improvements over the book.
My favorite line might be “In your nightmares you give water to the dead, and it brings joy to your heart”. Such an incredibly personal and deeply cutting thing to say to a person. Beautiful stuff
I feel like this line fell kinda flat because they didn't include the scene of Paul giving water to Jameis at his funeral. Only book readers really grasped the gravity of the line.
@@BoxStudioExecutive Stillgar was talking to jessica and told her to not give your water even for the dead when she realised the water was dead people water and it represented an immense amount of like humanity. the priest dude crys for the dead in his dreams.
@@ChillStreetGamersClubIt's not just that he cries for the dead, it's the fact that crying makes him *happy*. To waste so much water and feel happy about it is unthinkable to a Fremen. Such a wonderful piece of worldbuilding that really lays out the Fremen's relationship with water.
I love the Hand of God detail in this scene. For those of you don't know the Hand of God is the name of Arrakis' first moon, which has a dark area of craters that resemble a human hand. When paul says may thr Hand of God be his witness, it's the moon hes talking about.
@Holmelin91 you're welcome. What a crazy little world Frank Herbert has built, huh? Some of these little details when grasped are really awesome and thought provoking.
Interestingly, this detail is mentioned in Part I. When Duke Leto and Gurney are surveying the city, Gurney mentions that the natives call the moon with a dark hand-shaped mark on it the "Hand of God." To which Leto quips that the moon is playing havok with their comm and sensor equipment. It seems like a rather minor bit of world building at the time, and it seems like it's paid off when the Harkonnen are able to sneak-attack the city, but the real payoff seems to be this scene.
David J Peterson, along with Jesse Peterson, created the fremen language, chakobsa. David also created Dothraki and High Valyrian from game of thrones. Super talented dude who deserves more recognition
@@Mixam-256 It does. Denis even said in an interview that he had to redo scenes because the guy said the pronunciation wasn't correct (even though it's a fictional language).
David and Jessie Peterson both worked to make Chakobsa, which they did an excellent job on. It kinda seems like you had no idea who worked on the language considering you didn’t mention either of them by name despite saying that they need more recognition.
I thought that the switch to Gurney's face when Paul takes out his father's ducal signet ring was such great direction. He's one of the last Atriedes and Leto's right hand man. In that short sequence you see the torch being past and the same proud breathless look of acknowledgement you know Leto would have had in that moment. Gurney sees that the Atriedes, the house he has pledged his life and family to defending, will rise from the ashes.
he thought Paul lost a part of him being an Atreides and fully accepting the Lisan-al-Gaib persona but when he saw paul putting on that Duke ring he was beyond relief, and most proud of Paul, now Gurney's revenge is in his grasp
The first look that gurney gave is like he surprised and afraid too that there is possibility that paul gonna throw that ring and become full fremen.. But then he becomes happy when paul wears it, meaning that paul is still an atreides duke of arrakis with his fremen soldiers.. Exactly what his father wanted.. Master the desert power..
@@inkdot22 There's a difference between taking inspiration and a rip off. Both explore alternate takes on the classic "chosen one" tale. Dune asks what would happen if the chosen one was intentionally created by people who aren't all that good to begin with and they lose control of him, while Star Wars asks what would happen if the wise mentor archetype of the chosen one fails his calling (Qui-Gon) and the villain manages to corrupt him as a result.
@@plmokm33 I like this, also how in opposite cases, Paul and Anakin being haunted by prophecy end up becoming the "Bad guy", Paul as he said himself "because he gains it(control)" and "falls" on purpose to do what he knows had to be done, and Anakin because he looses all control and ends up being totally manipulated by Sidious becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy destroying everything he wanted to save.
I wish, I REALLY wish to see his movie from another universe - Warhammer 40k. If he will do it he deserves DOZENS of Oscars then! Imagine Brolin as Roboute Guilliman and Zendaya as Yvraine or Lelith Hesperax and Rebecca Ferguson as Saint Celestine or lady Katarinya Greyfax. But for Timothee Chalamet? Dang, maybe Belisarius Cawl or even God-Emperor himself?😃
what I love about the "slow down" bit from jessica is that she still thinks he is doing the whole 'prophecy' act as part of the bene gesserit plan. But he is not playing a character anymore, he has become the Lisan al Gaib!
It’s more than that. Unlike Paul, Jessica doesn’t have the power of prescience so she is afraid he is being too confrontational and aggressive with his speech. She fears the Freman will rise and lynch him vs following him. So she is saying “slow down” because she can see the situation might easily spiral out of control and all their plans would then go to waste.
Also, the prophecy he's playing into isn't connected to the Bene Gessrit plan of the Kwisatz Haderach. That's completely separate to the Lisan al Gaib. It's a misconception this movie is giving people.
What the movie doesnt tell you is that at this point paul can see all possible futures. So any *possible* future in which anyone confides anything to him is information he can use *right now.* And that makes him almost godlike for real. He's not all powerful, but he is pretty far beyond human. He only needs to look at a potential future where this guy tells paul what he thought in that moment, and paul can use it to trick the guy into thinking he's reading his mind. It's more like groundhog day than actual mindreading.
The movie tells you he can see all possible futures, but it doesn't do a good job of connecting that to this moment. A lot of casual fans are being misconceived into thinking that paul is actually the Lisan al Gaib and the prophecy came true because of moments like this one, when that very much isn't the case. Like you said, he's kind of cold reading, except he's using countless possible timelines as well.
@@stephengrant4841 That's the fault of the viewer for not being observant. They should go back to watching Marvel movies if they aren't able to follow a plot that goes deeper than pretty much all of those movies
@@user-uv7eb1fi4b If you look at it from the in universe pov he hits all the notes for him to be the Lisan Al Gaib to the freemen. Out of universe we know its all a bunch of hooey cooked up by the Bene Gesserit but to the people on dune who adhere to the prophecy Paul is Him.
The actor really gave life to the whole "become your ancestors after drinking the water of life". Dude 100% shifted the character's personality. You feel like there is a multitude of people behind his eyes.
I can't believe this scene is so well thought out. His speech is so well structured, hitting everyone with their own custom mini-speeches. First, Paul convinced the Fremen, then he convinced Gurney, then he convinced his mother.
I love how Paul is not only just demonstrating his power, but he is telling exactly what the Freman wants to hear in order to secure their loyalty and faith.
Hits especially hard when you remember that "the Hand of God" is what the locals call the large moon in the first film, coupled with all the eclipse imagery in the second.
When did Chani ever want to have or had control over Paul? Also, Jessica has always been prepared for Paul to ascend as the Kwisatz Hadarach. Your framing here is sus……..
Paul and Chani are the only two living people who do not want to use Paul for their plans. Even Gurney and Stilgar, supportive as they are, are projecting their dreams onto him.
Jessica never planned to control him, she was paving the way for him to take over. She knew that he would be in control the moment he drank the water of life. As for Chani, she's never tried to control anyone but herself. In fact, she despises the idea of people being controlled like that. No one tried to control Paul. Stilgar and Jessica wanted to serve him in a war for vengeance against the Emperor and Harkonnen. Stillgar wanted to serve him to fight for a green paradise. Chani wanted him to be an equal to her and the other Fremen.
@@Ramschatall the fremens except Chani are straight up projecting their hope and desire onto Paul. Theyve been waiting to go to war, to rebel and seek revenge against their suppressors.
Do I have a problem if I have watched this scene twice every day since dune 2 was released? Am I the only one who thinks this is the best scene ever filmed or do u guys agree
Nope... just imagine the joy that the Germans had in their hearts back in 1933 or the Romans had at Augustus Triumph. This is the highest fulfillment that a person can experience... in our corrupt degenerate society we can only experience through a simulacra & even that is tainted with the corrupt garbage that our normal human response is somehow "wrong"
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Tried to find it online after my first viewing but wasn't uploaded yet. Saw the movie a second time for this scene and Paul silencing the Reverend Mother alone, on top of how good the rest of the movie is. I couldn't get the scenes out of my head. Now I've rewatched this scene dozens of times. This might be my new favorite movie ever.
@@d-_-b8558 Some part of me didn't wanna admit that this is my favourite film ever after only a few weeks, but after going to the cinema 5 times and watching it on dodgy streams at home another 5 times I think its just a fact at this point lol
Baron Harkonnen: "My desert. My Arrakis. My Dune." Audience: "HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!" Paul Atreides: "At that time, this world had a Fremen name: Dune." Audience: "HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!"
@@screengraphy And both times by people who wanted to control Arrakis to further their personal agenda. Dune Pt.1: "Why did the Emperor choose this path, and who will our next oppressors be?" - Chani *cuts to Paul waking up*
I’ve never been so invigorated and amped up by a scene since King Theoden’s “DEATH!” speech in Return of the King, so that is saying something. What a delivery and what a performance!
It’s actually insane how well they show this. Paul gets a room of men willing to fight him to the death, willing to burn the galaxy in his name instead. Paul sees that fremen, (1:12) in the crowd. This guy is most likely a Tribe leader, like Stilgar. Seeing as he’s southern, he believes in the Lisan Al Gaib, he just doesn’t believe that it’s Paut. But then he picks him out of the crowd tells him things only he would know, basically looks inside his head. He says ‘don’t worry, I know that deep inside, past all the scepticism you want the Mahdi to be real. I am. I am the Mahdi.” And that’s all it takes.
I'd add that the _aesthetic_ surrealism of this scene also adds to the feeling of mysticism and the overwhelming force of Paul's will. Caves this huge with perfectly vaulted ceilings high above don't really exist and, even if they did, filling them completely with thousands upon thousands of people sitting orderly would be a huge logistical challenge requiring some serious work in crowd controls. Even more so the endless hordes outside (I mean, seriously, stadiums have dozens of entrances, a whole staff, and a huge transport infrastructure dedicated to them; they're not a barren hollow in a desert). This contrasts with the naturalist way that the start of the film is shown: small groups of people putting up tents and the like. Even the lighting shifts from natural diffuse sunlight to this narrow beam almost entirely focused on Paul. IMO, this shift is a very cinematic to show how Paul is transitioning from a man to a myth.
Yeahhh that part's one of my favorites too, the way its shot makes it look like he's right at the guy's eyeline, crouching down to stare him down at his own level, it's so cold for some reason
It's such a power play, crouching down to a defenseless position telling the huge masses of Fremen fighters how none of them are any threat to him as he's already seen the future. Everything he does here is calculated.
@@PancakeBoiI think paul is more of an anti-hero than a villain. He does it for good intentions. His prescient abilities saw a glimpse of a future enemy who could destroy humanity. To save humanity from this threat he embarks on the Golden Path which imvolves a brutal jihad and the scattering of humanity across the universe, it's a really fxcked up path but its to ensure humanity's survival and future potential.
@@thestoic110 No, he’s the villain, he starts a galactic genocide of which billions will die in order to his vision come to life. He’s not an anti-hero just because he has good intentions. Thats like saying Thanos was an anti-hero because he was right in his own visions… Paul is evil
@@PancakeBoi Why is he evil? We know he saw the future, so we know his actions are for everyone's sake.. So my question is: if you see the future that a few million people will die but you can save them by sacrificing a few hundred thousand what would you do? And what would be evil? Would it be evil to save that few hundred thousand and doom that few million or would it be evil to sacrifice a few hundred thousand but save millions?
@@PancakeBoi Everything you've said so far is incredibly stupid. Two main points: 1. Paul is not a villain or evil. 2. You don't know what the word "genocide" means. Killing people in combat, even at large scale, isn't genocide. It's why no academics or scholars call the Battle of the Somme a genocide despite it resulting in over 1 million deaths. The Harkonnen, with the help of the Sardaukar, were going to eventually wipe out all of the Fremen and Paul along with them, which is an actual genocide since that would have been a systematic destruction of an entire civilization and ethnic group. Paul was left with two simple choices, hide as long as he could and eventually die (along with all of the Fremen), or fight back and start a galactic war. He even made an attempt to avoid a war with the other factions by threatening to nuke all the spice and marrying the emperor's daughter but that failed due to all their greed so the war was escalated. Saying that defending yourself is "evil" is really stupid. You're probably the kind of person who thinks the Ukrainians are "evil" for fighting back after being invaded by Russia because it required killing people. Simple is as simple does.
That call for galactic Jihad is downright chilling. That's what religious fanaticism looks like. Chalamet delivered those lines with absolute conviction that I wanted to be part of that Jihad. Powerful stuff.
I mean, they literally saw magic happen before them. The author just tries to mumbo-jumbo it as being perfectly realistic. Space magic is all that it is. And a false prophet managing to mislead thousands upon thousands.
@@TheGooseman14 No. Doesn't matter. Andor was an anomaly that the studio heads didn't have oversight on or direct involvement in. Won't happen again, and if it does, it only adds more fuel for Disney to keep burning everything to the ground. Get Star Wars away from Disney. Period.
The full implication and consequences of the above statement keeps adding weight as the story unfolds, and there isn't a thing to stop it, not even Paul. Might as well order the tides to turn by holding out your hand... even the KH has limits.
This scene in imax (every scene for that matter) especially, was bone chilling. Stilgars Reverence for Paul shows in his eyes, Chani’s apprehension, the music making the audience feel unsure for the first time, the first signs of true religious fanaticism, and the inevitability of the Holy war that will signal the deaths of billions. The way Denis plays with Scale in Dune is fascinating to witness, can’t wait for Messiah.
It's SO well done how they setup Jessica's "slow down" and right after Paul goes to challenge all fremen. It shows how he evolves beyond her, beyond fremen and beyond Atreides. He's trully Lisan Al Gaib, he's the culmination of the best of all parties. Masterpiece scene
This scene is definitely a masterpiece, but there is no Lisan Al Gaib. That was Herbert's whole point. Paul is a false messiah who's using his Bene Gesserit gifts to play co-opt the Fremen. In this very scene he begins destroying their culture and using them to advance his own agenda. This is meant to be a warning.
Not only that, but _Paul knows all of this._ He knows he has to lead everyone down the narrow path and knows that he has to either consign billions to death through war or basically either watch - or directly bring about - the downfall of all humanity. He's damned and knows he's damned. He has to thread the needle through a whole host of really bad possible outcomes, and even knows how it'll end for him personally, but he also knows there's only one option he can play that gets everyone where they need to be and it's going to suck to walk that path.
@@magicalpjWell, given that his agenda is to avoid all the futures he sees in which humanity is doomed to extinction, it puts things into perspective. Yes he essentially destroys Fremen culture to use them for his own gain but he does so to ensure that the human race survives in the future. And he doesn't really even want to do this but he knows he has to. It's very gray, which I think was also Herbert's point. Paul is neither hero nor villain
@@muffinman3052 I'm fairly certain that the second book makes it known that Paul didn't see the end of the human race until after book one, meaning he didn't see it during these events. So everything he's doing is for his own gain, not the good of humanity at this point.
@@stephengrant4841 It isn't until Dune Messiah and Children of Dune that it was established that Paul's actions may have been necessary for humanity's survival. The implication from the first book was only that the Golden Path represented the ascent of House Atreides to ultimate power, the Fremen becoming the strongest force in the empire, and the beginning of the terraforming of Arrakis back to what it had been. So yeah, at this point Paul is doing it for basically selfish motives: condemning billions to death just to protect his immediate family and getting his revenge.
It was so easy to fumble scene, making it cheap and unconvincing, but damn did he sold it perfectly with tones Great scene. This Dune entry goes far beyond what we could hope for, yes, even wtih difference to source material. Beautiful books, beautiful movie return to
In the novel, the Chrystknife can only be sheathed once blood has been drawn. That means all of those hundreds of angry Fremen were very willing to kill him for what he said.
2:06 I remember on opening weekend coming back to watch it for the second time and in this scene I said "Dune" quietly a second before he said it and after he said dune people around me looked at me in sheer disbelief as if I was Lisan al Gaib LOL. Never felt more badass in my entire life.
3:11 The way the 'Fall of Atreides' music kicks in as he takes out the ring, to where it swells up as he screams "I am the voice of the outer world!" is just audio-visual perfection. First time at imax this part totally stunned everyone into silence 😄. Denis and Hanz working together to make a masterpiece right here.
The stark contrast of how paul appeals to religious fanaticism with the fremen, and with the brotherhood and loyalty that gurney had with leto atreides.
What an incredible scene. The sheer scope of it all. Paul is the number 1 fighter in the known universe at this point, absolutely nobody could beat him. But Stilgar was a top 10 deadliest fighter, so nobody else there could really beat Stilgar. Knowing that it's all a manipulation gives this scene such an incredibly different feel. This will go down as an all time scene in sci-fi.
Fear is the mind killer and in this scene Paul fanaticized the Fremen not only through their belief in the Lisan al Gaib but also through their fear of him.
It’s great how all the fremen are calmly allowing Paul to maybe kill Stilgar for their tradition. All he had to say is “IM POINTING THE WAY” and the whole room was attentive. Chalamet really used his voice to show his command.
The best part about Jessica saying "slow down" is the fact that she still thinks he is just playing a part while advancing so aggressively. The truth behind the prophecy of the Lisan-al-Gaib is that its not real, it was a tool to manipulate arguably the most important planet in the empirium. The Kwisatz Haderach, however, was something that the Bene Gesserit genuinely did not believe would actually happen, much less in Jessica's bloodline. This is echoed in her words, as if she is ascertaining a different angle on manipulating the Fremen and she did not agree with his forwardness, "this isn't the right play" kind of attitude. However Paul had obtained a true level of prescience that none of the Bene Gesserit believed would actually happen. He was no longer playing a part, he was seeing a different path altogether.
Anytie this scene pops up in my feed I watch the whole thing lol. Timothee blew me away here with his acting. I did not know he could act like this. I was at the edge of my seat when he said no one in this room can stand against me.
I always wondered about that too, same with like (crowd chanting) or (suspenseful music playing). I feel like they do it for people that’s deaf maybe but idk.
@@devin6079 yeah the problem with subtitle tracks is they’re all SDH. The studios can’t be bothered to make another track for those of us who just want to follow dialogue that’s hard to make out over the awful audio mixing of many modern films.
watching this scene on theater was such a delight that i regret not watching it for the 2nd or 3rd time. i really didn't expect THAT kind of voice and tone from timothee. his growth from a boy who doesn't think he belongs, to a growing man paving his own path and the quick transformation to a charismatic, idealistic leader was awesome to watch
Chani is probably more mad at herself than at Paul. Because she KNOWS Paul had been warning her about this the whole time and she was egging him on and supporting him. Now that it’s come to this, she’s full of regret and conflict
FAMMMMMMMMMM when he pimp-walked in there, I knew we were about to see something incredible. Hats off to Chalamet for really getting into the character. Fucking incredible.
@@ManOfCinema- My favorite part : KAU BA KA'KA LIT KAKA'RI HU LA'I I AM PAUL MAUD'DIB ATREIDES DUKE OF ARRAKIS ERU DITINA HE SHI DANI ME LISAN AL GAIB RUI DIME NA RUK A SCHI DIM!
I don’t think I’ll ever experience a film like this in theater. It was just so incredible seeing this on the big screen and feeling the real ascension and leadership of Paul
This entire scene is stuck in my head like song lyrics. Can’t even stop myself from memorizing the chakobsa. Absolute cinematic brilliance and superb acting.
This scene is perfection, love the way Denis includes close up shots of Stilgar, Jessica, Chani and Gurney and how they all react differently to his speech, great acting all around
