Just for information: I am probably wrong with every letter and word🤣 i only made this for fun, what i personally understand them saying and added the subtitles in orange. Enjoy!
@@immortaljanus Corrino could also be a reference to Corinth the greek city state that was in opposition to the Spartans (Atreus' homeland) while the idea the Atredes are descended from Atreus is in universe propaganda, the thematic idea of Corinth and sparta being against each other yet again thousands of years into the future is interesting
Haha I’m Finnish (Canadian finnish) and I can’t help but pronounce Harkkonen the correct way. Well technically the anglicized way but with the stress on the correct parts
The fact he ordered "Shields"...then another soldier shouts "no shields" As they fully understand that the shield Emits a frequency that sends the sandworms into a killing frenzy.. As in the books holtzman Shields can be absolutely deadly in certain situations. This adaptation of Herberts books wile not perfect is an amazing piece of cinematic gold that set a new gold standard in sci-fi adaptations.
@@jacobwenner2679 Yes, Because when it hits a shield results in the subatomic explosion.and The magnitude of this blast is very unpredictable it could destroy only the shielded target or the explosion could be more powerful than atomic bomb. The Holtzman Effect was first employed immediately prior to the Butlerian Jihad.. for defensive force fields capable of scrambling the gel circuitry of thinking machines. Networks of towers generated the Scrambler web from the surface, thus protecting entire planets from machine attacks. However, the machines soon realized that their cymeks, human-machine hybrids, could slip though the field to destroy the transmitters because they possessed human brains which were unaffected by the scrambler fields. Norma Cenva then had the idea to use the field as an offensive weapon, projecting it with portable transmitters to knock out machines and their installations. Holtzman later calculated that the field could be modified to prevent penetration from physical projectiles. But without doubt the stoneburner was probably the most terrible weapon of all. capable of destroying an entire planet.
Shields and lasguns were in the first book, mostly just a way to explain away the heavy use of martial weapons in society. People didn't use Lasguns often because of the catastrophic risks of hitting a shield. Then on Arrakis shields (most Holtzman effect tech really) were made effectively useless outside of the Arrakeen shield wall. Either the sand particles overloading it or it driving the worms insane.
@@nikushim6665 I explained the effect of lasguns on holztman shield generators in my last response. but gremlins in comments section decided to censor my reply. I've enjoyed the books I first read it in 1983 watched the first adaptation in 84.. been a massive fan ever since. Many bashed it. Now With Villeneuve version the entire world gets to enjoy this universe my only regret is we probably won't get more movies after part 3
@@stevengordon2145 I could see it maybe going up to the third book, but after that no. People thought Dune was unfilmable for the longest time, but its a damn cake walk compared to god emperor. Also doesn't help that series was never finished (no Brian/Kevin's garbage doesn't count)
I just love how impractical they are. They made the helmet and torso one piece, probably to reduce cost and resources. It just emphasises the cheapness of thier existence
Their costumes are meant to look like flies or insects. Even the little belt things on their arms and legs are meant to invoke the image of insect leg hairs. This is also reflected on their ornithopters. While the atreides varients are angular and helicopter-like. The Harkonen variants are more round and insect like. Rabban's oritophter is just a giant blow fly.
What’s so interesting about deep time future stories is that though we may hear it in English (whatever native tongue you speak) in universe it’s its own language and all other forms of language have long died
Not died, but evolved. Like the word Mehter and Pehter from proto indo european still exist as mother and father to this day in English and other forms. Worm seems to have become Krum, and sign became sin. Etc. Other words may have different language origins but shifted too
When we hear English in the film the language they are speaking is called Imperial standard Galach. It's a hybrid of old earth languages with English being it's core.
@@Fr0st1989 I know that dummy. I like how the movie makes it clear that even though it sounds like english, it isn't actually english. That's what i meant.
They do. The Harkonnens are insanely rich so have all these fancy cooling suits with anti gravity but they’re slow and clunky and presumably hard to see out of. Fremen still suits recycle body moisture and are super lightweight but only the Fremen know how to make them correctly. The Fremen are actually a very advanced technological desert society but the Harkonens believed them to be nothing but nomadic desert savages
@@Killerkwoi13 I hate the "powered by body movement" thing of the stillsuits though. Like, ultra-dense energy storage clearly exists in that universe, so...
@@smorrowthe suits are so effective at cooling they don’t NEED power, and evaporative cooling would waste waste moisture. The boot pumps are to augment the pumping action, which is minimal.
Very interesting take on the harkonnen language. I see hints of germanic in the words and the way they pronounce them. I'd very much be interested in seeing you do this for all the scenes where they speak the language especially the arena battle. Good job.
The Harkonnens stem from the region of Suomi/Ruotsi on old Earth (Finland & Sweden) so it's more like a ugric language which is clear in the dark monotone pronunciation.
I love the part where the soldier with the yellow stripe (presumably the Commander or Squad Leader) gets shot and just stands there, and the other guys say "Kommolivo?", like "Kommandir?" ,"Commander?". They made the Harkonnens so cool (and their language!) I'm Russian so to me I recognize some words as having slavic pronounciation but whats great about Dune is that the languages are all distinctly different but have some real world links (like some of the words even sounding German)
@@osasunaitor yeah imagine if they had gone to the effort of making some weird hybrid asian language with japanese, chinese, and korean all mixed together
The soldier speaking has a white band on his helmet. That presumably denotes him as an officer rank given he's leading a platoon sized unit. A leutenant or captain. In Theyd and Rabban's scenes in the Arakeen HQ, both of them kill Harkonen soldiers with multiple white bands on their sholders. These then are probably regiment or brigade level officers, maybe bashars.
I would be more then happy to pay to watch a movie just showing the historic battles of the Dune universe. The armor design in this show was fantastic.
They look absolutely menacing in those costumes. You mess with these guys at your own discretion. Paul and Jessicas deadpan expressions reflect this certain truth.
Their suits, while intimidating, are terrible for this kind of fighting. That's why they get their asses kicked, limited visibility and shitty situational awareness. I'm sure that in a battle line, fighting another army on-line using conventional tactics, the suits are great. But getting ambushed by dudes that can become one with the desert? Not ideal
In the novel, the Harkonnens aren't really regarding as particularly good soldiers. The only reasons why they were able to beat the Atreides soldiers was (1) they were betrayed and (2) the Saudaukar backed them up. The Saudaukar had nothing but contempt for them. During the guerilla war that Paul lead, Thufir Hawat, the Atreides mentant enslaved by Baron Harkonnen (in the book, not the movie), was able to get the Baron to admit that the Harkonnens lost soldiers at a rate of at least three to one to the Fremen. Looking good only works if you're truly intimidated by the look and the Fremen ain't.
I love bow the harkonnens call Fremen rats, it echoes how most genocides are excused by perpettators as just destroying vermin, or cockroaches or whatever. To the Harkonnens, this is literally pest control.
Cool nice. Did the same when WB released it. That’s what I heard.(I speak German and Dutch). Yang de grum sin: Look for worm signs Gratscha du sa: We are ok komonewo Graku stu inguit: I got you rat Hot zaand: they are close her dis ton da: Do you hear that? Graku sun kanik grum: The rats are calling a worm. To ria ga: unit climb now. Zaun: shield Hurku: Harkonnen I also think the subtitles are not a 1:1 translation. Example: „her dis ton da?“ might be: hear this ton (German for sound) there? In German: Hörst diesen Ton da? Edit: Zaun/Saun: Shield. That sounds similar to the German word for fence.
There is also a significant amount of Finnish or even Icelandic influence in the language, the way of pronouncing, the sounds between the words, and even the breathing between words. Having lived in Sweden and Finland for many years, one can recognize a certain way of speaking of the Finns, with some sound modulations and breathing breaks between words, similar to the Icelanders. It is quite impressive to see how Villeneuve brings Frank Herbert's saga to the screen. Honestly, just with the six books: Dune Dune Messiah Children of Dune God Emperor of Dune Heretics of Dune Chapterhouse: Dune he can amaze us for many years to come.
The Harkonnens vs Fremen conflict appears to be heavily inspired by the Vietnam war. The Harkonnens have a disciplined military but in the sands of Arrakis, their heavy troops flail helplessly against the willy natives who know how to use their home ground to nullify whatever advantages the Harkonnens have. Like the Americans in Vietnam who came to rely in helicopters to rapidly deploy their troops into enemy territory only to be caught in ambushes, the Harkonnens here have air superiority but their deployed troops fall into the hands of the Fremen.
What I would like to see is a Shai hulid going into killing frenzy because of shield, would be bigger impact showing why even while being ambushed they are afraid to turn them on
But i just wrote the subtitles as i hear them, its a made up language for dune, but i dont know the exact things they say, maybe you can find it somewhere
If they wanted to all die in an explosion, sure. When a lasgun hits a shield, it causes an effect that results in essentially a nuclear explosion. That's why people mostly use melee weapons in this universe. Nobody wants to risk exploding everything.
@@Tadoka_Inamo I don't necessarily blame them, the movies never state these things explicitly. You either have to go in already knowing these things, or figure it out from the context clues, such as this exact dialogue. WHY did that soldier say "No shields"? He had a reason.
@@Korica it's still wrong though because the relationship between shield and laser is inconsistent. The shield blowing up is a worst case scenario. Characters like Duncan exploited it in the book but it's not like it's something that happens 100% of the time. They were going to get wiped out anyways, so shields were actually their best option.
“They’re close” sounds more like eet saung And “do you you hear that?” sounds more like nebi staunga? That’s just how it sounds to me pronunciation-wise.
Harkonnen is a Finnish name. I'm guessing that in-universe, Giedi Prime was initially colonized by people from Scandinavia and the surrounding areas. That would have been around 20,000 years before the events of the movie/book, so we can expect a lot of divergence from any currently existing languages spoken there. We don't even have 20,000 years of linguistic history on record in the real world, and a single millennium is enough to drastically alter a language (if you went back to England in the year 1024, you wouldn't be able to understand what anyone said)
This isnt exact subtitles, i just make them as i hear them🤣👍🏻 thanks for enjoying, i can make the arena scene at some point, but its hard to understand quite a few things there. I do my best
Im a little disappointed they changed the Harkonnen language from the first movie. This one is definitely a more recognizable language but in the first movie the Harkonnens speak a language thats half snarls and grunts. It really made them sound alien and brutal.
@@YeoweChiffewar I don't think that's true, the scene where Piter is talking to the Sardaukar captain on Salusa Secundus has a pretty clear example of the Sardaukar language and it's very different from the language the Harkonnen men are speaking when they go to drop Paul and Lady Jessica out of the Ornithopter.
I like that the Harkonnen have mass numbers, are competent and are brutal. They are just horridly outmatched in the sand, and cant use a lot of their tech
0:48 and now, dear soldiers of house Harkonnen, tell me, why you are still standing? Obviously someone sniping you, get the f**k out from edge of of rock, lay down and cover yourself.
Powerful soldiers, fearsome weapons, terrifying reputation. Just the sort of Soldier to lose their composure in combat. They've been counting on their 'stats' to be unbeatable.
@@pirobot668beta The Harkonnen were just average soldiers, nothing like the Saudakar or the cadre of as-good-as-Saudakar Atreides soldiers. The Fremen were superior to Saudakar, so Harkonnens were trash to them.
@@rikk319this is obviously a highly trained specialized squad though, there is a reason the fremen didnt engage openly. I doubt regular harkonnen soldiers were equipped with those anti gravity devices.
if one of the fremen had a lasgun they would not be safe, its not explained in the movies but if a lasgun beam hits a shield both the shield and the lasgun will explode, wiping out all the harkonnens on the rock. theres an instance in the book where a fremen flies a stolen ornithoper and crashes it into a harkonnen transport wiping out a whole platoon for the cost of a single warrior. the fremen will happily perform suicide manouvers if they think its a good trade. one fremen for 15 harkonnen probably isnt a good trade but the harkonnens dont know that, they think all the fremen are crazy
Yeah walk out on the dunes of the hottest, warmest hell planet in the universe where you don't survive a minute without a stillsuit.... In thick, heavy black suits! Well done there Harkonnens.
in the first movie it's explained the shields attract the worms and drive em into a killing frenzy. so you'd be safe from the people but now got a horde of bloodlusted giant worms onto you
In the books, the interaction of lasers (no one uses combustion guns in the future) with the Holtzmann Effect of the personal shields produces a queer quirk of physics leading to a fusion reaction with explosive potential comparable to tactical nuclear weapons. In short, you and your buddies activate shields and one of them is shot or accidentally grazes another with his shield on and you are all vaporized. Even if everyone's personal shields protect them from penetration, the blunt force trauma would liquefy everyone caught in the blast. Consequently, blades are the preferred choice of weapon in combat because they're safe.
@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. This is true, but I think the worms are the real reason. Once the user turns on their shield, both the shooter AND the shield user at risk. So it would force the Freman into CQC.
@@Kaldortangerine We the Audience know that. The Harkonnens didn't. They hardly had time to figure out if they we're under fire from lasguns or not, its not a risk theyd take on top of attracting worms. That's on top of them being right next to each other, all it takes is one wrong friendly shot to glass all of them.
Is it odd? Classes exist, and people are raised differently due to their circumstances. Not hard to fathom the ruling class would speak a more “sophisticated” language
Monarchs of old had been doing the same thing. No matter where you were from, if you were born a noble, you spoke French or Latin or German first, and your native language second.
I think when gurney says that, he means "brutal" in the sense that they are maniacs that torture and Enslave, and that they are very sadistic, but not brutal in actual combat.
There is something i dont understand Their rifles have a wire connected to their suit But when the first one got hit his rifle fell and seemed like it wasnt wired
Yeah, it seems that not all of them have connected rifles. It depends on the weapon, the snipers have a wire or cable it looks like. The other one, who fell, didnt
@@scott-gaming.8834 you mean subtitles like this? I could make a few more from little parts, but i dont want the video to be removed by RU-vid, copyright etc. I cant do full and too much at once
I think they turned off shield because when laser gun meet holtzman shield it causes nuclear reaction resulting and all of them dead and the precious spice also contaminated
Turning on a shield and getting shot with a lasgun will result in a nuclear explosion on both ends. Turning on a shield _on Arrakis in general_ will attract the worm, and a very angry one at that.
@@BlackMasterRoshi & @ST0AT Thanks both. I've started tho book series after part two. I'm currently at the end of the second book, but I'm slowly starting to get bored. After the books, my respect for the director increased even more. Or maybe I'm just not a book person, I don't know. I hope I can be patient enough to finish the book.
I loved this scene, but I really want to know where the fremen snipers were… weren’t the harkonnens on the high ground? Those bullets came in from a higher trajectory it looks like. Idk, I know I need to suspend disbelief but I’d have liked to see the scene showing a bit more of the fremen tactics.
They acted really stupid in this scene. In general the combat was silly in all of Dune except for duels and the bit where they are defending the stairs in the first film.
Sorry I had little knowledge about dune lore but just want to ask why one of harkonnens troop order not to wear shield when they are being shot by lasgun ?
Some finish, german, russian to me, many languages mixed, but kind of these few, everyone understands different things, its up to you to decide what languages are similar👍🏻
@@KEV19019 well I speak Portuguese and English so this language don’t sound nothing similar to what i know 🤣🤣 but is very cool to think that in 20 thousand years all the languages we know wouldn’t exist anymore our languages would be ancient
Why didn’t the Harkonnen use shields here? They can fly so worms frenzy is not a worry, enemies are already calling for a worm anyways, and having a worm frenzy here might just kill the fremen for them.
Read the top comment regarding this. One guy has explained from the book that is dangerous to use shield with laser guns. It can easily cause explosion, check his comment inside the thread
@@shubhamgujare7912 Book says Shooting a shield with laser causes nuclear explosions on both ends: inside the shooter's shield and on the receiver. So 1 dead Harkonnen and ALL fremen in this scene dies, that's a good deal. Why wouldn't harkonnens want that.
My head cannon is that 'English' is a sort of an 'old tongue' which mainly reserved for nobles, like Latin. And the various local languages are for the lowborns. There are many examples like this throughout history, like the relationship between various local languages(English, German, Russian, etc...) and French language in Medieval Europe.
Did it on purpose, if i post too much, the videos usually get removed or blocked by RU-vid. Copyright etc.🤷🏻♂️ They werent talking in that scene either, this one is focused on their language
hrakonen use guns cause they know fremen dont use shields Fremen used guns in this fight cause they knew Hrakonen wouldn't use shields cause they would attract the worm. Outside of this using a gun against a shield would kill everyone in a nuclear blast
@@mrcookiethief2128 Right, except for the explosion part. That only happens with lasers. The Fremen in this scene were using projectile weapons, not lasers, which ideally the shields would be effective against. The Harkonnen soldiers just didn't grasp the level of danger they were in, and prioritized the long term threat (worms) over the real predicament of getting sniped at from all directions while they were exposed on that rock.
