Dune: Malky, The Man Who Knew God 

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Super duper legendary

For me, God Emperor is a close second to Dune. All of the others pale in comparison.

I mean, is he inhuman? Or just the result of a person in those circumstances, but still fundamentally human?

As much as l love Heretics and Chapterhouse and their ascendency of some of the most amazing female characters ever set to paper, l still feel like God Emperor is the beating heart of the entire saga.

It sucks we will probably never see this or Children of Dune on the big screen, there are just to many weird things happening to have the average movie goer want to see it, IMHO.

The true appreciation for a Masterpiece is how often it is "copied....." How many "fake" Mona Lisa's presently exist?

that's what i thought. When reading the book there was plenty of foreshadowing of his death. I thought the foreshadowing was too obvious but realized the author was trying to give the reader, in a sense, the same sense of prescience Leto felt. And as we all felt we knew Leto had many options to derail the obvious future, Leto also knew his secret was out, his objective was secure, he had a small taste of love again, and so walked into his own death secure in knowing that Shaitan would arise and he would live on.

It looked like Leto killed himself. He showed Sioanna his weakness, gave her a Fish Speaker who would obey her every command. Refused to change the date or place the wedding between him and Hwii would be held ( even when Maneo begged him to).

Agree!!

@@BoyKagome it was all part of his plan, he needed to die at some point for humanity to progress

In the grim darkness of the far future... Wait wrong book

Fact!

Daniel S Yes. Cj.

There needs 2 be a documentary about No-Ships. Cj.

I've recently been debating Dune lore on RU-vid. The commandment against thinking machines did nothing to stop their secret development and encouraged the creation of other factions just as dangerous. The Jihad and great scattering might have killed more people than the machine war. The only brightside is the creation of the ultimate kwizatz haderach but, that just means that humanity is under the protection of an even more powerful god emperor. Duncan's sacrifice is even greater than Leto II's and he didn't volunteer for it.

An omniscient being is impossible for a human to realistically write. But undoubtedly they would be mysterious to us, if comprehensible at all. God Emperor carried a lot of that incomprehension, and I think that is a big part of what is amazing about the book.

@@tobyvision there are perceptible parallels though. Every cell in the body is unique, precisely adapted to its specific function within the body. Each requiring the the rest of each kind in order to function as a body. ALL being unaware that collectively they are subject to the whims of the mind housed within the, also happily unaware, brain cells...

@Khaela Mensha Khaine thank you

@Khaela Mensha Khaine your words are kind and appreciated. Your statement on the Scattering is well put as well

I still prefer to think of Paul as a failure. He should have taken the Golden Path, yet he wasn't strong enough. He abandoned his destiny, forcing his baby boy to do it in his place.

@@askani21 you have to remember Paul could see the future. He seen that it was not him but his son who was the one to take the path. Not trying to be too deep in the bible but the comparison is there with David and Solomon, David could not build the temple because he was of the old guard and the blood on his hands. Solomon being raised in the new thinking and clean mind to do God wishes. As with Paul and Leto. Paul had the blood of the universe on his hands and was raised in old guard of thinking. Thus Leto was raised in the new way of thinking. Didn't have the blood of Paul's jihad on him.

If I remember correctly, Leto choose not to know time and way he was going to die.

Gary V The Connor O'Brien reading is really cool. Cj.

That's why I think that he fell in love with someone like Hwi Noree, attractive of course, but also friendly and warm, naturally prety and Smart girl. The ixians would never have created someone like Lady Margot Fenrring or princess Irulan Corrino, with a hidden agenda an a perfectly measured and studied behavior. That's the style of the Bene Gesserit sisterhood and it would never have worked with the god emperor.

@@zannaifacedancer5915 I guess the Ixians figured out that if a man like Malky with his charm and intellect could earn a special liking by the God Emperor Leto II then a woman of charm and intellect could be able to woo him. It's a very clever stratagem on the Ixians part cause Hwi Noree if successful then the Ixians could end up being the power behind the thrown by proxy of Leto II and he wouldn't even suspect that his rule has been subverted. In a way it's what the Bene Gesserits tried to do breed a Kwitzat haderach that they can control.

Anyone could not carry out such a purpose like that. The plan began to work since the first meeting between Leto and Hwi Noree. But while the emperor did not suspect the trap at first, I have the feeling that he understood the intentions of the new ixian ambasador, or I think I remember that Hwe told him so. I agree with you, it seems that the ixians appropriated the Bene Gesserit axiom that stars like this: "Power is used very gently. The sisters are experts exercising power without anyone knowing and the ixian strategy seems to be teres. The strategy, but not the actress. That's my opinión, she was not an actress, Leto would not have been impressed by a seductive and powerful Reverend Mother. He ruled the known universe and was totally prescient, there could be some trick of the sisterhood that hi didn't know? Physical beauty was not enough to demonstrate his weakness. Malky and Hwi pade with their lives, but the plan triumphed in a way because of her natural charm.

Right!? Was this not the one whipped/flogged in public to the disgust of Duncan and the Bene Gesseretts that sought audience

I find it strange to think of Malky as and old man. Anyway, someone able to associate Dune with Kill Bill, even using his imagination, deserves my full respect.

Vincent D'Onofrio for vladimir harkonnen

And what about Hwi Noree?

@@zannaifacedancer5915 You're right. Vincent D'Onofrio would make a fantastic Hwi Noree!

LOL nobody Knows, but he is a Face Dancer, so I'm right. really that wasn't my intention. It wasn't my intention to joke, I just wanted to ask what actress could play Hwi Noree. I didn't imagine thatt anyone could say something like that xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! It would be a challenge for him. Vincent, I'm sorry.

Or Piter DeVries

That man is a great actor, but his voice is too human. I always Heard Leto's voice thunderous and distorted, similar to Jabba the Hutt or Azog the Profaner, for example, but also a bit drowened because of is framed face.

Yes think the same

I believe this also. And I also think he realize he was losing himself to the worm mentally so it was inevitable. And if I remember correctly from the book his death allow the sandworms to be semi-sentient

I like to think Leto can be resurrected

In fact it is exactly what happens, but what a desgrace!

No he refused to use his power to see his own demise, its clearly stated that one of the attacks leto missed because he could have died and he refused to see the event that would lead to his death

Sorry for the year-late reply but I feel that it may have been more than a throat-punch. Malky was brought in wounded and in need of medical attention. I feel that he was going to die regardless of the throat punch, that was probably just to stop him from talking. The real death was being thrown off the balcony to the sands below. That's just my interpretation, though. One of the things I love about Dune is how much of it is open to interpretation, despite the messages of the books being so concrete yet crystal clear. Your points on Moneo and Malky's contrast were something I hadn't considered, thanks for adding to my next rereading of God Emperor.

Personally, I think malky may have come close to seeing the golden path, or at least understanding that leto had a reason for being beyond just being a tyrant. However, malky could only be the thing that he was, play the part that he was meant to play, partially due to him being a mere human but also partially due to his vices and his personality.

I think Herbert kind of had to keep the details about Malky limited. If you tried to be specific about how one very special, but in the end still human person would charm and entertain an omniscient being I don't know how you could write that scene. As intense and brilliant as Malky was, he was like the best of ants to Leto II.

Yeah, kind of jarring.

He was aware of a future that did not include him, but the details of his transformation he refused to investigate, he just knew that it had to take place next to a large amount of water.

except for Helge Schneider

Oh no, not the clamps :)))

Then my bible is Heretics of Dune and I am Sheeana, or at least I think so.

I actually thought that they would make a good team as well. I know CBG19 is from the South somewhere so maybe she's a Trump supporter and this wouldn't be a good fit (?). I don't know...

daniel better...she is super liberal and lives in LA.

I see what you did there ;)

Clearly a best of moment in the book.

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@@redzed130 Does that message appear to be addressed to you?

He definitely wormed out some information regarding Leto's possible weakness, by displaying his indulgence of the pleasures of the flesh. But where's the details that he was bred for the purpose?

You speak as Leto were a helpless victim of circumstance, surrounded by useless sycophants and stalked by evil conspirators who could not understand his Golden path. Ungrateful humanity! I'm not able to see him like that and I don't think you eithher. That is the image taht all tyrants have of themselves. Maybe his vulnerability makes us feel something close to compassion, (not much), that is understandable.

Of course it was his choice, that's cristal clear. He never saw himself as a victim, but I ment that he saw himself as someone missunderstood. Do you really think that he was a teacher? Well, mankind is so stupid as not tu understand his lesson. They were not able to understand that his only purpose was to sabe them from disaster. As a strict but loving ffather who has big plans for his children even before they know it, and he is forced to correct his children so that they don't mistake the course. That's exactly how the tyrants see themselves. The only difference is that Leto was blessed, or cursed, with total prescience and knowledge. If the Golden pat was so necessary, why did Paul reject the prophecy? Why Leto's peace was disturbed by occasional rebellions that were crushed with no mercy by the Fish Speakers? Why did he create the F S? If saving mankind was so important to him why didn't he Warn people about kralizec? Famine times, the scattering, the Honored matres and the destruction of some many planets, are they just steps on the Golden path or consequences of failure? I eternally bless Malky and Hwi because I don't know what would have happened without their diabolical intervention. Frank warned us against the messianic leaders and the kindness and altruism of the Atreides died with Duke Leto.

@Ibrahim Al Walid Leto II is perfect awareness. Malky is complete instinct.

@@rohacha9iin40 I third it.

the godemperorhiram Hmm. Could be. Moneo had a really sucky life. He was the greatest victim of Leto's tyranny except, I suppose, Leto.

@@alanpennie8013 that we know of

Wasn't really a terrible enemy if Letos whole plan also involved his own death. If anything Malky was an ally to Leto.

I think Malky knew perfectly well that as dangerous and brilliant as he was, he was an ant next to Leto II's tidal wave. Despite that knowledge, he played his role with enjoyment, and Leto II found that charming.

Moneo always struck me as one of the low points of the book. He's supposed to be the very cream of the crop of humanity, but he often strikes me as pretty dumb. Like why would it matter in any case if Leto II casually had someone killed? He apparently did it all the time.

@@tobyvision Moneo was a genius but he also had to balance executing all of leto's commands and keeping the empire running with the terrifying, ever-present knowledge that if he ever said the wrong thing EVER to leto, he would be killed in an instant. Imagine a boss who constantly quizzed you on the deepest aspects of philosophy, politics and religion and if you said a wrong answer he'd turn you into paste!

@@RingoLoadagain Moneo certainly had a difficult job and apparently did it well. What I'm thinking of is in the few conversations we hear between Moneo and Leto II, Moneo seems to not follow some things that even I could sort of understand. Or at least I would realize when Leto II was so far ahead of me I should just listen instead of challenging him. I guess on the flip side Moneo was over 100 years old if I remember correctly. He might have just been too familiar or kind of sick of Leto II by then.

@@tobyvision I think part of it, to address your point of him being sick of leto, was that moneo didn't want a politics lesson all the time, when sometimes all he wanted was an answer to a question or to report something to leto or he was just randomly summoned. Then add the crippling fear of being murdered and you have a moneo that might not have been at the top of his game all the time around leto.

LOL really?

They did it by improving slowly on a tech that Leto used to conceal his journals

Nice, should have thought of that.

It's the Apex of dune Most of all malky I just love malky

Yeah. I can see the resemblance - especially around the eyebrows.

I think there's also something similar in the way they act. It's funny.

I know! They were both terrible actors. They couldn't even play a convincing household vegetable in the school play!

You mean Al Queda. These are what Osama Bin Laden promises suicide bombers.

I think it's more like he knew his role was in the end insignificant. He is brilliant enough to know that as brilliant as he is, he is an ant next to Leto II. So he just has fun with his role, and Leto II seems charmed by this.