Hope you enjoy my video talking about some of the moments, characters and storytelling elements of Dune Messiah. How do you think Denis Villeneuve will adapt certain elements?
It will not end like the book, and it will not be sad. It needs to end this version of Dune, NOT anything else. All other objectives are forfeit. It could have content from any of the books. The only goal is to end the movie trilogy.
Just finished the first book and loved it and am reading messiah now and I am definitely happy u made this video cause I have to be honest I am struggling with this read and I understand that major plot points but agree it’s going to need a major adaptation I think u have suggested some real good fixes and approaches so keep it up man I would love even more videos going even more into individual aspects of messiah maybe faction by faction like who the new players will be or even character by character. Keep it up brother
When he is holding court after the plot is revealed. He is telling them what there wearing and how one was always a sloppy dresser with no eyes. I love that part in the book.
I like following the beats of The Godfather. Paul walking into the desert. Alia is now in charge. Alia then takes care of unfinished family business. Ending with Alia on the throne talking to her grandfather.
I just hope we don't have good scenes cut for DEIs needlessly defiant chani scenes😆the fact that we got screwed out of mentat kiwat and pauls jihad in pt 2 for an hour and a half for chani scenes🙄
I think the opening monologue will obviously be a a 3rd quote speaking Sardaukar BUT I think it would bring chills to reveal that it’s been the god emperor this whole time! It’s very Denis to do and such a subtle way ( one example would be how he handled the Padishah emperor in part 1/by other characters describing his power but not showing him) of introducing the ultimate end game which is also how he’s tackled some of the more challenging on screen adaptions of characters, descriptions etc from the book. A simple, seat shaking (in IMAX), powerful “quote” like the other two then “…-The God Emperor” would be fking awesome imo 😅
@@happytrailsgamingwow this reveal is so exciting, I’ve seen the movie in theatres for 7 times and every time it opens with that quote I’m reminding myself, dafuq emperor Leto II would easily speak sadaukar
i really hope Denis doesn’t hold back on the war itself. i want to see the bloodshed that comes from Paul’s decisions. i also would like to the the fremen being extremely brutal. they didn’t just kill soldiers who stood in their way, they killed men women and children, made entire planets uninhabitable with atomics. they literally became space Nazis with Paul as their Hitler and i want to see that. also having Paul capture a sandworm while blind would be so cool i hope they have him do that. and also Paul’s Palace. It’s described in the books as being so big that entire cities could have fit within the walls. that the doors to just the throne room could have fit a cathedral. that once in the throne room the ceilings were so high you could barely make them out and they seemed to go up for eternity. really cool visuals i know the VFX team can pull off.
What if we already got a sneak peak with the stone burner could look like, when Paul’s vision of Chani looking at the bomb is the clue. Paul’s vision is the key to everything.
@@GRMNCVSgod, I hope not. That would be so stupid. I'm already kind of disappointed with how much of the weird he took out of the story in the second half. If he tries to avoid the weird in Messiah, it's going to suck.
Love that idea! The stone burner is one of the most epic moments of any book. It makes sense because in that vision it shows him watching the explosion
@@faded1to3black To be honest I could do without horny Reverend Mother and the embarrassing "haha aren't dwarfs funny and silly haha they aren't real human beings they can just be the butt of the joke". Removing some of the more garish content in the books like Landsknecht Sardukar, Welsh flag Atreides flag and garb or ginger Harkonnens did not make the movies suck. Chani not being an airheaded agency-less trophy to Paul did not make the movies suck. I maintain that there is no way to make child Alia murdering the Baron and having intellectual debate ever work on screen. The demon infant body horror was far more compelling than Alia in the books. Also Frank Herbert though a visionary was a frothing homophobe we can leave some of his ideas in the dirt.
@@sbraypaynt Chani isn't an air headed whatever in the books. She just isn't a girl boss, and actually supports and believes in Paul. And she's still tough, killing someone while pregnant because the challenger wasn't even able to defeat her, and therefore wasnt worth even mentioning it to Paul. There's absolutely a way to do Alia properly, and I couldn't care less how many idiots refuse to believe it. That's what movies are for. And modern technology can easily make it work. Prove Herbert was a "homophobe". Is it because the Baron in the books liked to abuse young boys? If that's the only reason, I'm sorry, but that's just absurd. The problem with the movie adaptation isn't even really the stuff you brought up missing. It's the fact that a large chunk of the Fremen culture was stricken away, and they were made into totally egalitarian types, even though Paul "won" Jamis's wife and kids. No water bearers either? No accidental proposal to Chani? No Spacing Guild? In the final scene with the Emperor and Fayd? No Count Fenring? No Thufir Hawat? He was petrified to make it too weird, and by pursuing that, made it too grounded instead. Now Chani took off because "girl boss", even though the way she's written makes no sense in the movie, somehow she will need to get back with Paul so they can have their kids, Messiah *requires* the Face Dancer and Spacing Guild, unless DV is thinking of having Chani lead some anti Paul conspiracy instead, and not bring back Duncan/bring in Hayt as well, which would be utterly catastrophic. Dune needed more actual Dune.
I will be very curious to see several things: 1. The “stoneburner” scene and how they depict that 2. Duncan Idaho as a Ghola - will it be Mamoa? And the eyes? 3. How they introduce the face dancers and Bene Tleilax 4. How they reconcile between Paul & Chani to setup for Leto II & Ghanima 5. How they show the navigators Should be good!
Judging by how much of the odd stuff Denis basically took out of the first book, I'm cautiously optimistic about Part 3/Messiah. I hope he doesn't take out all the cool, weird stuff. And if he doesn't have Paul and Chani get back together, or even worse, has her be involved in the plot against Paul, then there will be effectively no proper adaptation of Messiah, and the 3rd movie is doa.
@@faded1to3black They will get back together, Paul even says after drinking the water of life that Chani will eventually come to understand. They kinda needed to have Chani part with Paul to basically telegraph to the audience that Paul has changed. Its sad but sometimes people need to have it laid out in front of them to understand.
@@ryanhampson673 Chani did not need to leave at the end to "get the point across". It made her look short sighted and selfish. It was the only really weak part. The reason why it isn't necessary to make that change to her character is he intended to adapt Messiah anyway, and it'd be truer to the first book.
@@faded1to3blackif you are talking about the movie…if she would have stayed she would have looked naive, without dignity and spineless, I think it was good change, she will always be short minded on contrast to Paul anyway.
I think the narration in part 3 will be done by Alia. The same way he introduced Irulan in part 2. One different important woman character for each film
the ending of the book(messiah) is very calm and quiet, blue-grey night sky. whispery wind of the desert. that’s all you feel and hear when reading that ending… really hope hans zimmer and villeneuve grasp that ending enough to see that, and fully realize the juxtaposition between the endings of the story of dune vs messiah. the bombastic score worked well for the ending of a dune - book 1 adaptation, but in a messiah adaptation, whether it ends up being paul walking off into the desert, irulan caring for the children, or something more accurate to the book’s ending, regardless, really hope they nail that nighttime quiet ending that the book evokes so enchantingly.
I definitely think the 1st act will be heavily padded with scenes depicting the war and its atrocities. It's kind of needed to add a sense of urgency and stakes. I could see either Paul or Alia (or even Irulan) narrating much of this.
What if the Holy War was shown as memories? Flashbacks on different pov's of each character involved. This would cut a lot of dialogue and focus more on the emotion of characters with their facial expressions. The way Denis did through Part One and Two.
When it comes to Edric and how he will be depicted, I think we can expect something similar to how Dennis handeled the aliens in his film Arrival. He shows the creatures, but not fully, always partly veiled and hidden by the smoke surrounding them. We can only see a crude outline of them, with few details. Edric will be treated the same I think; we see a crude, weirdly shaped creature hidden mostly by the orange spice-gas in his tank, leaving the audience gueassing just how weird this creature actually is without fully revealing him. I think it could be very interesting to have this large, abstract shape, with dark blue glowing spice-eyes peering out from the tank
This is gonna be a tough one, but I have trust in this Denis. Dune Messiah is definitely the book that most people who have read the series admit to struggling with. It’s very dry compared to the other books. Also, compared to the first book, not a whole lot happens. So I think he set up some interesting things in Dune part two to spill over into Messiah to hopefully bridge some of those gaps. I’m looking forward to it.
I just reread "Messiah". My goodness, what a depth of philosophy that novel carries. Hopefully the film will show flashbacks from the jihad, the twelve years that killed 61 billion. Anything from Denis will be good. I pray.
I don’t know how Jessica would be included without making huge changes to the story. Specially considering how the story between them after messiah develops. Keeping Jessica will be at the expense of Alias character development. I would like to see Alia develop into a crazy witch.
I’ve read Messiah with the Dune soundtrack and other selected ambient works that i think fit the story playing in the background and holy shit; just imagining the weird stuff on the story really fits well the mysterious nature of the saga, so ive imagined many settings/artistic direction around the story (spoilers obviously): 1) ive envisioned Chapterhouse Wallach IX, described as a cold world: (“All around the dome lay hills mangy with melting snow which reflected mottled wet blueness from the small blue-white sun hanging at the meridian) settled in jökulsárlón, iceland, with a window opening to the beach, while the conspiration scene between irulan, mohiam, edric and scytale happens inside a black oval construct “Why this particular place? Scytale wondered. The Bene Gesserit seldom did anything casually. Take the dome’s open plan: a more conventional and confining space might’ve inflicted the Guildsman with claustrophobic nervousness”. 2) “The Guildsman was an elongated figure, vaguely humanoid with finned feet and hugely fanned membranous hands-a fish in a strange sea. His tank’s vents emitted a pale orange cloud rich with the smell of the geriatric spice, melange”. I think the design of Edric was insanely good in Lynch’s Dune, however ive imagined him more with the head like a Flowerhorn fish; big headed orange fishes with big eyes and a featured mouth, surrounded a tank literally taken from arrival (i genuinely think Villeneuve is gonna pay hommage to arrival with the edric scenes), also; Paul Dano is the only Edric there can be. 3) ive imagined the Face Dance with Scytale in the middle of the frame while the camera blurs and goes out of focus without unfocusing the background, so it can achieve a blurred effect to achieve the tleilaxu shapeshifting, specially interesting in the scene where the Tleilaxu face dancers do a show for the Emperor 4) it would be so cool if Tleilaxu culture was based on Mayan/Aztec culture; Herbert was vague with his inspiration behind the Bene Tleilaxu specifically, but left subtle hints at this appreciation for mexican culture sensitivites; the suffix “tl” (used predominantly in the náhuatl language) and the axolotl tanks, axolotls being the ultimate mexican endemic animal, also their obsession with changing their human appearance, which artistically can take so much from Aztec and mayan priests and high ranking officials who pierced their noses and ears as a sign of royalty 5) i think the torment behind Paul is what ultimately gonna make Chani go back to him, a much needed plot to portray the complexity of the Jihad and the real emotional toll it has not only in his Atreides side and Harkonnen side, but his fremen side 6) hot take; the Dune Tarot as a tool of mass control is a good concept that i would like to see being portrayed: the implication of the whole Imperium using spice and the tarot as a tool to guard and foresee their own future while disrupting Muad’dib’s full vision is fascinating 7) “The Guildsman stirred and his voice rolled from the glittering speaker globe which orbited a corner of his tank above Irulan”. For some reason, ive imagined Edric to speak in a humming, torturing tone, not saying words but making a sound as if a person was screaming with their lips shut, and after a second, the speaker globe would translate his words. that thought while reading his blunt, direct way of talking make him much more menacing in my imagination. 8) this one is a reach and only because it made me giggle at how extra that was, but Paul saying “once again, the drama begins” while letting Edric and Hayt come into the Golden Lion Throne is so funny to me i hope they leave it in 9) We need at least a little glimpse at Ixian culture and more Great House introductions, this can be achieved with the Holy War plot, really showing the dark side to the Jihad many people forget Villeneuve is insanely good at portraying a plot using visuals only, plus the insanely talented team behind the Artistic direction and writers on his side, i waited for Part Two to come out to finally get to the books (which so far im obsessed with) we can see the biggest trilogy of all time and im all for it.
I am wondering if Chani and Irulan's roles in the plot might be swapped. With Chani being the one to rebel against Paul (albeit for very different reasons)
I think the Holy War will take up a good chunk of the final film. Maybe pull an Empire Strikes back and have the Holy War and lead up to it take be the first full act of the movie. First hour will probably be the Holy War and then show the down fall and aftermath.
I think the opening of messiah will be Paul's mother as she was key to starting the war to begin with and her visions of a future with him taking over the empire. I really wonder how far into the war he will cover. Will it get into what happens after Paul dies and his children. These books are crazy intense... and not something you can just jump into without starting from the beginning to understand the progression. I love the adaptation so far and it really has elevated sci-fi in an interesting way. So many different concepts are introduced in these books. I can't wait to see the stream of movies that come in the future due to the success of this series.
Super excited for the possibility of Messiah being adapted to the Movie screen. I hope it is such a success that they keep going! Children of Dune would arguably make an even better movie than Messiah. So much to go on! Long live the fighters 💪
I think Chani is already pregnant at the end of Dune Part Two with the first Leto II and the baby will get killed by soldiers from one of the great houses. Their shared grief will bring them together and make Chani's obsession to give him an heir will have more gravitas
You pretty much summed up all my opinions on a Messiah adaption. The stone burner scene will probably be the standout. Aside from that, a lot of changes will be necessary for a more cinematic story. I love Messiah as a book, but the story is very much a book story with mostly people talking and pondering about their talking. A movie will require more activity. I also assume Jessica will be in it in a much bigger fashion. That was the one thing I even disliked when reading the book. Jessica's total absence feels very odd and is only somewhat made better by her return in Children.
If he does a movie on what happens between dune and messiah I would think that dune part 3 then dune messiah would be the way to go. With dune part 3 basically being more like fan fiction
In all honesty Denis Villeneuve has made Dune as mordern as we all wanted it to be but how will he adapt the story of the next generation in the dune saga if hes the one to take the colossal task. Paul's son has one of the most fantastical change in character, its even more epic and tragic of a story then what we witness in Paul's.
Messiah is very much about Paul navigating the intrigues, traps and futures revealed by his prescient visions and ultimately stepping off the KH train and wandering off into the desert. Paul will do what Villeneuve's Chani did at the end without the worm and it'll be a tear jerker with Chani just gone and him leaving the kids as orphans with Alia. In Messiah Paul isn't controlling the empire for his own sake, he's steering humanity away from extinction. From the very start of Messiah it's clear that the religion has taken on a mind of its own, with a historian on death row being interviewed prior to execution for publishing heresy that we know is closer to the truth than the beliefs of his jailors, Paul is a living Messiah but even he cannot contain his zealots. This was made more explicitly clear in the Dune book than the films. We'll certainly see Hayt (Duncan) and therefore Tleilaxu, and because of that, almost certainly face dancers. Edric will have to be there too I assume, but maybe that'd be too much to introduce in one film without dragging it down in exposition. It will be interesting to see how many plot intrigues Villeneuve keeps and whether he keeps the very strange trigger mechanism of Hayt using Bijaz. The whole plot is bizarre and convoluted but I suppose you can't come at the KH in a straight line. There's lots of unwritten stuff to draw on in a film, the challenge I think is making the strange Tleilaxu plot believable, and conveying Paul's unique situation without him simply bemoaning billions dying repeatedly. Paul's visions of Jamis were well handled before and after their knife fight. It's going to need some deft handling of more prescience in Messiah. There were subtle things you could find in Dune Part Two, like Paul turning back around before the news of the Great Housed rejecting his ascendency to the imperial throne. He knew it was coming. I expect we'll get some of that especially right after the stoneburner as we read in the books. I expect significant alterations in the adaptation.
4:07 is there a different version of this? While my book opens with "Analysis of history: Muad' dib by Bronso of Ix" it doesn’t have the Q and A section detail his interogation as you described - I'm halfway through the book aswell and yet to come across it?
I think with HBO doing a tv show will inspire Denis Villeneuve to continue to do more movies after.... this coming 3rd film completing the Paul's Arch.
It might be interesting if he started Dune Messiah with the old, blind preacher from Children of Dune delivering some diatribe against his younger self. Then go back and tell the story, kind of like how Lawrence of Arabia started off with the main character's death.
I def think the smartest thing to do with Chani and Paul's kids is to helave her pregnant at the end of the second movie, and have Paul's kids already older in Messiah. That would make the ending with Alia as their regent and Paul leaving feel a little more concrete.
They didn't know there would be a Messiah adaptation, so probably not. He'd be a fool to decline, though, especially since he'll get a lot more screen time in it.
Things I'm really hoping for -Rewriting Chani to be part of the conspiracy despite still loving him would be a devastating plot twist but also could destroy the story so pinch of salt -Considering how dialogue heavy and for the most part spectacle absent the book is (stoneburner and throne room excluded) I'm hoping we get some jump cuts to Jessica on Caladan and I'd love to see footage of Tleilax -Seeing Edric -Scytale using Shishakli's visage in meeting Lichna instead of Duncan Idaho's because 1.She was such a badass standout character and 2.(if i remember correctly) it's a red herring that makes you think "Hayt is not Hayt he's Scytale" which never comes to fruition and gives no suspense because Paul always recognises when someone is a face dancer.
Denis has backed himself into a corner with his timeline. If we do the 14 year skip then in this new timeline, Alia is 14 and that won't work. If we do 16 years or more then everyone will have to be aged up a lot. Also Chani is a huge plot point from the beginning so he'll have to just be like "Chani came to her senses and came back between movies".
I think a really poignant and beautiful scene that would be amazing to open with would be when Farok talks about his time on another world during the jihad and his first encounter with an ocean; "There was a sunset," Farok said presently. "One of the elder artists might have painted such a sunset. It had red in it the color of the glass in my bottle. There was gold... blue. It was on the world they call Enfeil, the one where I led my legion to victory. We came out of a mountain pass where the air was sick with water. I could scarcely breathe it. And there below me was the thing my friends had told me about: water as far as I could see and farther. We marched down to it. I waded out into it and drank. It was bitter and made me ill. But the wonder of it has never left me." Scytale found himself sharing the old Fremen's awe. "I immersed myself in that sea," Farok said, looking down at the water creatures worked into the tiles of his floor. "One man sank beneath that water... another man arose from it. I felt that I could remember a past which had never been. I stared around me with eyes which could accept anything... anything at all. I saw a body in the water - one of the defenders we had slain. There was a log nearby supported on that water, a piece of a great tree. I can close my eyes now and see that log. It was black on one end from a fire. And there was a piece of cloth in that water - no more than a yellow rag... torn, dirty. I looked at all these things and I understood why they had come to this place. It was for me to see them."
I know they'll do a great job. What I care more about is the continuation of the story and this universe. Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune should be a TV series.
You'll see nothing of the sort. Villenueve has removed anything of interest (spice, time&space bending, hallucinations etc) and left us with a brown sludge of cool CGI.
Im really looking forward the most for how they will visually adapt scytale, edric, hait and the stone burner scene, and pauls apperance after that. This movie has potencial to be such an great and diviseve ending. Hope denny can find the right script to make it finish the story as a trilogy without having to change or cut to much of the book. Im still very sad that we didnt get the dinner scene in arrakina in the first movie and hope we have at least a few scenes of the holy war and the fremen with that awesome armour we saw in part one, but deffinetly dont think its needed to add to much action, just because it will diviate too much of the scource material. I have read only dune and dune messiah and i think messiah its even better then dune, altough i have struglled to understand some of the writing of frank herbert, great novel though
Just finished reading Dune Messiah, This is not an "epic action" novel. It is a story of plotting and intrigue. More about fulfilment of the visions. Some new "exotic" type characters. Very little detail of the battles of the Jihad. Without a lot of embellishment on that it wont sell a lot of tickets. Also too much detail left out of the first two to make the third understandable if one hasn't read the books. Just my thoughts
Dune messiah should be a two part movie. Part 1 should show him conquering planets and the cruelty of his jihad. Part 2 should be the aftermath and him walking into the desert
What I would really like to see in Movies is the continuation: "Frank Herbert's OG Dune series has six books; after he died, his son Brian Herbert teamed up with author Kevin J. Anderson to continue the story, and their collaboration has produced 17 more books set within the Dune world." There is a very rich tapestry of further enlightenment of the whole series which are a wonderful read. I've read them all. One thing I will say, and it is a bit of a spoiler, so look away now: The final end shows a circle back around time, where the machines are back.
The Brian Herbert Dune books are awful. I have read better fan-fiction than those trash books. The characters are shallow and boring, the stories are tedious.
Messiah is short. Maybe they could combine Children of Dune and Messiah together to really end on a conclusive note. That is if you don't mind warching a four and a half hour long Dune movie. I sure wouldn't.
This is good. There going to have to change a bit and maybe add some of Children of Dune. Most people think Dune Messiah is the worst and it took me awhile to get through the shortest book. It is good but not the first or next books. Also a lack of action would be a problem.
@@paulvajra5945 It will be a bad movie if they invent their own story. Frank Herbert's follow-up takes place 12 years after. This is the story we have from the author.
The Chani pregnant stuff could actually make sense if you think about it, Villenueve skipped the first Leto that was killed by the Harkonnen in the first book so maybe this time it will be born and killed during the Jihad
I think it will be a war and politics movie about Paul's bloodthirst for revenge hurting everyone he cares about until he gives up and quits. It will begin and end with him in exile, with Alia narrating. I think a lot of the crazy shit will be cut.
Are we sure it’s just going to be a trilogy? Knowing the books, I wonder and kinda hope that we’ll move beyond Paul’s story, especially since other characters have plenty to do after Messiah
The first was hyped up and the second got hyped but for me with the narrative changes in the second it's lost me. If that was Villeneuve's vision I consider it wanting and now with Messiah being done it's going to end up an unfinished project because as we know with Paul walking off into the desert only means he's walking back out again. Children will end it not Messiah.
The narratives in each and their purpose was to introduce a character/environment(s) to the audience. Its works just fine especially having three different narratives for a trilogy and their all from 3 important characters so makes sense imo
On one hand I love the cinematics but I feel like the character progression is severely lacking. I get denis wanted a more realistic viewpoint but considering it's the year 10000 even the mundane should seem supernatural. I mean take Paul he drinks the water of life and what really happens he gets clearer precog and maybe stronger mind suggestion through the voice... it's anticlimactic. Point is there's isn't really any ascension other than self assurity from what he already possessed before. And I feel that most characters are in the same scheme of progression in the movies. You have the hardships but in the end essentially you get the same one dimensional characters.
Overly optimistic - DV hadn't even matched the 2000 SciFi made-for-TV miniseries of Dune in terms of detail and expectations from the actors. The continuation there-of in Messiah/Children of Dune (2003) already is better than what you've outlined, including how Edric etc are portrayed. Even if DV receives the funding for both (Messiah and Children), at the tail end of that - there's an insurmountable and unfilmable obstacle in the form of God Emperor of Dune - which probably represents one of the greatest works of prose, but also is thoroughly unsuitable for film.
I don’t think the ending should be bittersweet, it should just be bitter like the book. That’s what sets Dune apart. It’s a story of good people who give in to bad and selfish decisions.
@@cosmancho2959please read them you won’t be disappointed. MAJOR DUNE MESSIAH SPOILERS AHEAD But essentially there’s a faction called the Bene Tleilax that are conspiring with different parties(the spacing guild- Edric(a guild steersman), the bene gesserit with reverend mother mohaim and princess irulan and others) to kill Paul/end atreides rule/secure an heir for paul by irulan or at least save the bene gesserit KH bloodline the bene tleilax are very technologically advanced and experiment with genetics. When idaho died they were able to preserve his body and basically clone him while giving him some memory of his past(these clones are called gholas) They give Paul this as a “gift” and he actually is loyal to paul. But under the surface there’s a sleeper cell code phrase in him that when triggered is supposed make him kill paul which fails when Idaho’s loyalty and love for the atreides overcomes the conditioning and brings him fully back(all memories and everything, with the addition of him being designed as a Mentat by the tleilax) However that was actually by design to see if they could. so when Chani dies they could use the temptation of bringing her back as a form of control over the throne(they also wanted to make a ghola of paul possibly too) So yeah really interesting intrigue at play here and if done right could be really interesting on film. They could definitely bring him back. Probably gave way too much background info but I just finished reading the book and I’m still riding the high of it lol
Like this comment if you have seen the older sci-fi channel presentations of Dune & Children of dune/messiah. Aired many many years ago. But imo they are vastly superior than these new ones. Ya the new ones have modern effects and todays most talented actors...but the mini series had soooooooo much more detail. The special effects are bad. But the actors and story make it more than watchable. Honestly if u love dune and have not watched them. Your missing soooo much dune awesomeness! They are one of the most epic television presentations ive ever seen.
Paul, sitting alone on a hill side, sees a sand storm swirl up. The sand storm increases in intensity. He stands, pauses, then walks straight into the darkening storm. As we lose sight of him a Thumper inceases slowly in loudness to where it is too much CUT TO BLACK.
That would make sense and be a minor change, if they want to keep the actress for the general audience sake. Would still include Korba if I were doing it, though, to keep the betrayal and the scene of blind Paul describing his outfit and throwing him out.
Nah I don’t think so. I havent read further than God Emperor so I’m not sure how he’s characterized later off but the impression I got was just that Scytale’s there to do a job. even if that job includes killing someone to assume their identity and killing all witnesses. nobody in the series really bats an eye for murder so its not too unusual lol but in the end he even does as instructed and gives Paul an offer that had been schemed up when he could easily just kill him then and there. So he’s not exactly uncontrollable and chaotic, but more obedient and restrained. Plus, in the book literally everybody knows almost immediately that he’s a face dancer in disguise when he infiltrates the palace but they just play along because why not. (plus pauls sick of being emperor and wants to retire and if he stops his enemies’ plan then theres no stone burner and therefore no retirement) But in these movies when things like that are in the books they just go the more straightforward route, like with Doctor Yueh believing his wife to be alive, when in the book he hoped she was dead (because harkonnen torture is worse) and also with the removal of the whole subplot about framing Lady Jessica as the traitor who let the harkonnens invade arrakeen. So he may not be caught so easily in the film
I hope Disney buys the rights to Dune and makes a really great series of 15 movies. We needore diversity! And where are the strong female characters? Come on Disney, get in there!
