DUNE PROPHECY Breakdown - New Series, EXPLAINED 

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In the novels, the Butlerian Jihad was a crusade against charismatic human leaders who used robots and technology against humans.

i just wanna see if a studio or HBO green light god emperor of dune.

In the prequel books the Valya and Tula don’t create the Bene Gesserit, Valya creates the fighting style they use and has Tula assassinate one of Vorian Atreides descendants as part of the long running feud between the families. They blame Vorian for their diminished standing on Lankevale as it was he who had Abulurd Harkonnen banished their for cowardice and betrayal at the battle of Corrin. The Harkonnens are related to the Corrinos (formerly Butlers) by Xavier Harkonnen, but took the Butler name after Xavier killed the Grand Patriarch who was secretly a traitor but publically nobody knew this and believed it to be murder In the prequel books this era is meant to be citing it is actually Raquella Berto-Anirul, granddaughter of Vorian Atreides via an illegitimate daughter. She was the first reverend mother and a former sorceress of rossack Brian and Kevin’s efforts are not in anyway close to Franks works, but they’re not awful sci-fi books. Frank talks about some weird ish and has far too much monolouging and exposition at times but I enjoy them for what they are. The prequels are good, limited stories that have some good ideas on them. I’m not going to argue with anyone that doesn’t agree because it’s subjective and we get to enjoy what we enjoy

With all the love I can express...it's Jihad, not Crusade. That's what Frank Herbert wrote it as, and the word Jihad wasn't included as a slight or belittling of Middle-Eastern religion, cultures or anything. Like you said in the video, it's about what people generally do with power, not making a real life commentary about one group... ...and if you don't think so, may thy knife chip and shatter!

What do I want? Scrap the actual narratives and just give me the many lives of Duncan Idaho.

I love the Dune universe! It's true that the ideas in Dune are amazing. 100% behind adapting both the sequels and prequels as TV series. They would be fantastic. More sensational sci-fi TV!

Stress should be on the second syllable of "Butlerian" -- not third. Also, _JIHAD_

Butt la reians? LOL Her name was Butler... Its Butlerian... Ive never heard someone say it so funny before...

The Harkonnen sisters didn't create the Bene Gesserit, the Sisterhood is founded by Raquella Berto Anirul the first woman to become a reverend mother and an Atredies ancestor. Valya Harkonnen unites two factions of the Bene Gesserit after a split in the original sisterhood.

HBO is the only reason I have any confidence that this show has a chance of being good. 🤞Let's hope!

is youtube demonetizing the word "jihad"?

Love the channel, Butlerian Jihad, not crusade. Sorry, Dune means a lot. Bless the maker and His water Bless His coming and going.

This is the story that need to be told the prophecy of dune!

Man, that Butler, Ian, got up to some shit

We are all from space. As Carl Sagan said, "we are made of star stuff"

Hearing “butlerian” pronounced like that actually hurt my ears

I am worried about the oversaturation of dune properties. I dont want this to devolve into the state of star wars. Please god no.

Casting Travis Fimmel for a dark and ambiguous setting is just chef's kiss. The man knows his complex character portrayal.

I hope the dialogue will be better than what Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson came up with in the books... oof. Interesting ideas but the tropes were so hard I struggled to finish a lot of the books and finally gave up on reading them. I almost dropped it when the line "We are now Free Men" as a bunch of escaped slaves stood on the surface of Arrakis. Ugh.. so on the nose it almost broke mine. And the racial stereotypes were BRUTAL.

I really want the show to show how the Mentats and the Spaceing Guild start not just the Sisterhood.

that can't possibly be the way Butlerian is pronounced?

Extremely hyped for this !!!

I embrace it all give me spice! 😂

Why are you retconning the name of the Butlerian Jihad as "crusade"? Please explain.

I'd interesting to see some of the formative times of the spacing guild, and the landsraad etc.

That's awesome and I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before l. I would love to see a season on the history of the Sardaukar.

I'm looking forward to them completely destroying all of Brian and Kevin's pathetic attempts at world-building.

Now the Volume is getting the Greenscreen treatment on how it's considered? It's great and should be used when it makes sense.

As a massive dune encyclopedia enthusiast and a fan of Frank’s original 6 novels, I must back this video for speaking out against the version made by Brian because Brian got it absolutely wrong. In Brian’s version it is an entire sentient machine rebellion, in the original the quote stands: “once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free… but that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” The Butlerian Jihad was launched out of fear of humanity as much as machines, and you know what “thinking machines” really were? GPS, Smartphones, gaming consoles, Calculators, Ship navigation systems, basic home computers, anything networked with multiple systems, robot servants in the shape of humans but more a kin to a roomba or Alexa in function. There was no machine uprising as described by Brian, it was out of fear that through thinking machines, powerful men would enslave man through thinking machines as the quote explains. Thousands of human lives were lost entirely to human hands as the jihad was not a universally accepted idea, plenty of people were fine where they were and didn’t see a need for radical change. There were battles in the jihad between humans and only humans over this issue. They’re mentioned in the encyclopedia, like the blockade of Illerda where the planetary government had to surrender their world to the Jihad after they had been starved out by the radical forces. Or how about the elephant in the room, Jehanne Butler, was killed at the battle of Carthagos by a human mine that destroyed her ship while the jihad fleet was attempting to siege the moon of Carthagos. After she died, the jihad fleet exterminated the planet out of bloodlust in its entirety. Like all you have to do is read the encyclopedia to realize that the Jihad was war of ideology rather than survival. All thinking machines were destroyed out of fear of societal enslavement similar to 1984. I could go on but I’m hoping you see the point, it was a war between humans about machines and their place in society, not a war between humans and machines about the survival of one. Brian’s version unfortunately throws all of this away and takes all the wind out of the sails for it. The war means so much more for human nature when you realize they did it to themselves. In a machine rebellion instance, humanity has this almost ‘free pass’ because it’s against extinction from a force not of its own, so that weirdly justifies it. And it makes me very angry because all of Dune is about human nature and changing times and evolution of ideology through the ages. The Jihad is no different in the original. But humanity doesn’t learn or have much of a role to play at all in Brian’s world where the machines rebelled, that is now fight for survival where humanity was willingly enslaving sentient minds and committing horrible acts because yes, it really is kind of worthless to me by comparison because of how lack luster it is. Now to finish out, I read the oringials and the encyclopedia first and after a million dates and events were changed and delivered in a fashion that either missed the mark or became something it wasn’t, I wiped my hands of the Brian Herbert books. For me the encyclopedia is the prequels. However I don’t want to tell you what you can and cannot read. Your opinion is your own, I’m not going to shame you for likes and interests and I in fact encourage you to have them and read what you would like to read. however my opinion is that they’re a separate alternate dune universe. I have said my piece and i hope the new show does not do the “machine rebellion bit” again that is at this point exhausted in media.

Am I the only one who loves the Brian Herbert Kevin J Anderson prequels?

0% chance this comes out in 2024, been in production hell for years

I'm sorry but except for the visuals of the movie these Dune movies fall extremely short behind the 2000s movies. They fast track it and cut so many important parts, like his dead son, his kickass sister, his moment of enlightenment was not even close to the one from the 2000 movies and Zendaya really dropped the ball with Chani, felt like a rebellious teenager who needs constant attention and care way more about herself than the greater good of her oppressed people. No real backstory to the blue water in relation to Shai Holud. If you had no knowledge about the past movies\book you will really like it. But as one who does, it was a Hugh letdown

Connections to any season of Westworld other than season 1 is not a good thing.

Damn, I just want that ring that sounds like Loire Cotler when you take it off!😆

Concerning that they’re basing this series off the work of the son and Anderson. Those books are so different that Frank’s books it’s better to think of them as an alternate universe.

It’s so weird when Star Wars nerds get a hold of a dune movie. Holy shit. Also 100% sure Frank didn’t speak too much of the Butlerian “Jihad”

Brian Herbert. Oh. Oh, no.

I'm really curious to see how CHOAM came about. It is one bit not detailed about yet, in the films.

Tempted, but if it's based on a BH/KJA book, that's a huge red flag. Their stuff is poorly written fanfiction.

But-Lar-Ian Emphasis on the second syllable, not the last

I’m worried about them adapting the story from anything Brian wrote

Herbert’s son already misaligned his father’s novels. Now, you add a film studio and it’s a recipe for further inconsistency.

Westworld Season 4 was Ass 💀 why bring someone who worked on that 😂

Wait what?! 💥🔥👏🏽

So it's a show based on fanfiction. Gotcha.

Just as long as HBO/MAX doesn't put a chicken in it and make it GEH!!!

This is a friendly jab, but it never fails to amaze me how Ryan can mispronounce nearly every word that isn't included in the common English vernacular...including the name of his own writer.

Lots of confusion in the video and comments attacking Herbert's son. I am surprised Villeneuve is not attacked as he completely changed Herbert's vision with the portrayal of Chanl as a petulant brat. Sean Young's portrayal was much more accurate. But appears very few actually read all 18 books. Its important to understand the full story. Some clarifications with a few spoilers : 1) Paul is not the Kwisatz Haderach Frank Herbert had someone completely different in mind. Paul does have prescience which is seen by many characters in the book but he is able to calculate the golden path which requires extreme measures to ultimately save humanity against a major extinction threat 2) Xavier Harkonnen was the main hero in that period. He fights the evil Cymek leader Agammemnon Atreides - yes the ancestor to Paul. Cymeks were originally humans who accidentally unleash Omnius the AI that enslaves humanity instead of them in control. They become massive human killing machines with brain canisters trying to get back that control. 3) Vorian Atreides breaks from his dad because of his love for Serena Butler. She triggers the Butlerian jihad where She Voriann and Xavier defeat the AI. Vorian is the central character as he was given a serum of longevity and rhe main target of . 4) Brian's books are full of religious extremism. You clearly needed to mention Manford Torondo. He makes really is the most extreme religious psycho you can meet or Iblis Ginjo an even worse manipulator using religion. 5) the bridge of hrethgir at the battle of Corrin (home planet of the AI and where younget Corrino) is where the split between Atreides / Harkonnens happens. Its Abulard's descendents after a few generations twin sisters who seek revenge on Vorian who is still alive. They join the already existing bene gesserits. The founder of the witches was married to the founder of CHOAM. Yes very complicated but all these characters need to be detailed as they are key to Dune hostory. Plus Norma the first navigator and true inventor of the Holtzman Engime. If they don't have all these characters then this series will not make sense.

Imagine a Dune version of the Clone Wars series covering the holy war. For adults or at least pg-13 rated

Would be really interesting to see if tv or movies will ever get as far as Chapter House

Oh no, of all the books not Sisterhood. They took the one that contradicts the fundamentals of the Bene Gesserit, and makes them more like space wizards. They're meant to be about what you can achieve with gruelling mental and physical training over millennia; not the Jedi. I don't mind some of the extended Dune universe...but the changing of the Butlarian Jihad, and the Sisterhood were some of the "Now you're just betraying the original works."

I still kind of wish they made the show about the book that explores the 12 years between Dune and Dune Messiah. the 12 year gap that is the holy war

The book says, “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” So the Butlerian Jihad was humans fighting humans who were using thinking machines to enslave others before Brian Herbert changed it. Also, the Bene Gesserit were not the only ones trying to create a Kwisatz Haderach. The Tleilaxu made their own Kwisatz Haderach.

Don’t know if the show will be any good, but your new haircut? Fire!

really? you aren't saying jihad now? its called the Butlerian Jihad, not crusade. I don't understand why you felt you had to change the name since it's essentially the same thing. why is it ok to say crusade but not jihad? stop changing things unnecessarily. also, I know there are two types of jihad, but the one known as lesser jihad is specifically referring to holy war and fighting. so in this case why bother changing the word that literally means holy war to another word that literally means holy war?

damn. i love the Monty Python messiah reference

Why do you keep calling it the "Butlerian Crusade?" In the books, it is ALWAYS called the "Butlerian Jihad" because that's what it was - a religious struggle.

why would they do that with the O's in sisterhood lmao

I must have taken a good dose of the Spice - that this series is being made! (Oh, based on one of the extend-Uvi' novels! I only have read the original six novels, in my youth - Will give this a watch)

Brian Herbert is such a hack. 😥

So are we just not using the word "jihad" anymore?

BUTT-LARE-EE-IN

Why did everyone stopped using the word 'Jihad'?

Its based on a Brian Herbert novel. I'm staying WAAAAAAAY away.

Maybe they want the type of people that would sit to boring long process, so the application process is a kind of filter in of itself. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Finally CHOAM on telly

The extended universe books by Brian Herbert (Frank's son) & Kevin J Anderson are fine, but don't expect the heavy religious, philosophical & political themes of Frank's books. They're much pulpier, more like quick read summer beach books (this happened, then this happened, then this happened, ...). And, whoever edited them did a horrible job, not only do they contradict Frank's books, but they contradict their own books (sometimes within the same scene in a book!). But all that said, they can be a fun read: for me it was fun to just be back in the Dune Universe.

The Marvels expected us to watch the shows before the movie. Glad HBO is taking the opposite approach of getting the fans interested with movies first.

We hope the Dune Part 3 would be as successful as the 1st 2.

It is curious that our culture is comfortable using the word crusade but not the word jihad, when historically, atrocities have been committed under both names.

The Butlerian Jihas is before that. I don't think they will go deep in that territory.

Honestly nervous for this Denis has set such a high bar with these films and current studios just love to milk things dry

You really misrepresenting the prequel novels, but that’s OK because those novels actually really suck

I have soooo many questions about the dune universe Would be here for any and ALL background / more info from dune

Can't wait for the Fallout breakdown. Thanks in advance.

I want to point out that the t-shirt shows them pouring the water of life into the sand. This would kill the worms.

Great overview

Will you be doing Fallout videos?!

Why do you call it a crusade when they call it a Jihad in the book?

TV is definitely the only way to do _God Emperor_ -- which is genuinely impossible to adapt as a 3-hour movie. Structure is too nebulous, ideas are too wierd.

Do not support this show, it’s not based on any of Frank Herbert’s work, it’s based on his son, Brian Herbert’s disgusting cash grab bastardization of Frank’s work, the Sisterhood of Dune. Frank wrote 6 books and that’s it, Brian then took the series after his fathers death and milked th series for money by releasing 23 side books and even made a horrible oversimplified 7th and 8th book in the main series that he claims he found from his fathers notes 20 years after his death, even though the books directly retcon the ending of the 6th book (Daniel and Marty were hyper evolved face dancers, but Brian wanted to do cool AI Scify shit so he made them Omniius and Erasmus, WHEN LETO II DIRECTLY MADE SURE THAT A PRESCIENT AI WAS NO LONGER POSSIBLE AND COULD NOT FIND HUMANS). He has watered down and diluted dune to a Star Wars style fun Scify member berry fest, randomly and mindlessly bringing back dead characters of their popularity while straight up retconning most of Frank’s work. None of Brian’s books sold nearly as well as the originals, and that’s why he’s using this TV show to trick fans into thinking his work has legitimacy. Please we warned, I’m only informing the general public to prevent this guy from getting legitimacy for ruining Franks work.

6:26 lol ok

How the hell do you have two separate ads in the first 4 minutes...

If the new prequel series is based upon the prequel novels, then it should put to rest any comparisons and suggestions between the Bene Gesserit inspired The Jedi Order. The Bene Gesserit are incapable of moving objects with their mind. I think the comparisons are borderline ridiculous.

It's the Butlerian JIHAD

Noooooo! The Brian Herbert & Kevin J Anderson books are...crap. 🤦🏾‍♂️

FYI: the Arabic word Jihad means Struggle nothing less nothing more, don’t believe me use google translation you’ll see.

Herbert didn't put much into his description of the thinking machines in the majority of the series.

Bro got new music

im drunk and Erasmus, might be real

Every show has so much potential, that’s the sad part of modern media. It all sucks tho in the end.

The verifiable stats showed that the majority of people liked the end of Game of Thrones just fine. Plenty didn't, and they were very loud about it, but more were fine with it. As much as it wasn't as good as the first 6 srasons.

What show is at 9:58 ? it is not referenced

Butlerian “Crusade” is not what it was called. There are plenty of errors in this that gets the question whether anyone there reads these books. Who did the research on this video? It’s a mess.

I hope the show is great, but S2 of Altered Carbon leaned into the weakest parts of Season 1. I lost interest in Westworld at S3 for the same reasons-the ethical and philosophical dilemmas and questions provoked by S1 and S2 were much more layered. Not to mention the feast of visual symbolism….all of that is what has made the Villenueve Dune movies so wonderful-they provoke more meaningful questions and perspectives over simply tying up loose ends.

Bless the Maker and his water.

Sounds fantastic

I just want to know if the Great Oxygen Shortage is ever gonna be solved. You know. Where every actor is always out of breath? In every scene? Of every modern movie?

Didn't read the books, have no desire to watch the movies.