Dusting Off My Old Kenpo Forms (Part 2): 1 - 6 Kata | Shaolin Kenpo Karate 

Awesome!

Thanks!

You're welcome!

I'm happy to hear that! Yes, the link is in the description of this video. I also have a video of the blocking sets, it's more recent. I still have to get around to heian nidan, stature of the crane, the two man set, and honsuki, and maybe shushi no kon sho.

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@@BlackSunBoxing who was your sensei back then ? I recognised Master Noelthy on o e of your pics.

@@jcleclerc7482 good eye! I was under Sensei Kevin Crossan in Dover, NH. Masters Nohelty and Bryant facilitated as senior instructors for my black belt exam.

I am in Montreal and used to study under Danny Mason and before her Elizabeth Gilberg! Perhaps we have met :-)

I went to Sensei Masson dojo a couple of time 😊​@@Shaolinkempotc

Thsnk you!

Thank you!

No, not villari. My lineage comes through George Pesare and Nick Cerio. My teacher learned from Robert Nohelty who trained directly under Cerio and Pesare. As for it being watered down: maybe. It's just what I learned. Nohelty and Bryant's "masters self defense" does seem to be more stripped down than Cerio's direct teachings. I'd love to see a more direct Nick Cerio or George Pesare iteration, unfortunately everyone seems to be dead.

And, if I may ask, what lineage do you come through?

@@BlackSunBoxing I may have come off a little more harsh than I intended, sorry. I started in a villari derivative and then moved to a cerio lineage. When I noticed some cerio schools were very kung fu-y, and some were very shotokan, and some very american kenpo, I did more digging and found that I was picking up pieces of cerio's teachings as he moved through his arts. I then went back to his start and landed almost accidentally in Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu. It is a much more sane version of kajukenbo, and the mother art of all the stuff you showed in this video. For example george pesare came to rhode island with *12* defensive movements, not the 150(or like 400? in some circles and in american kenpo, it is bananas) that shaolin kenpo schools can have. Those were directly related to karazenpo's philosophy of movements that are universal and not making the student do 12 variations of the same move in every direction 4 times like, say modern karate kata.

No offense taken. Yeah, I don't have any experience with Karazempo Go Shinjutsu. I'm aware of its connection to Pesare and Cerio, but I know that Cerio remixed and created several things because of his diversity of experience. But like I said, What Nohelty and Bryant taught doesn't always look like what Cerio taught, but then maybe they came in at a point where Prof. Cerio was changing his mind about some things and/or evolving. Even for me, there's enough meat on my kenpo to add to my base of wing chun and catch wrestling, and savate. At the end of the day, it's all soup, and making stuff work is what's important.

Shihan Nohelty and Bryant were both under Fred Villari before splitting away. The forms you showed are all from the Villari system. #1,3,4, and 5 are rooted in Karazenpo/kajukenbo and # 6 was created by G.Pesare and #2 is a Nick Cerio creation. Thank you for sharing :-)

Thanks!

That's exactly what it is. Robert Nohelty and James Bryant were originally under Villari, and then left and returned to the source: Professor Cerio. I wish they had gone more into Nick Cerio's evolution since Villari was booted, but it is what it is. It was an excellent foundation for the next 20+ years (I'm approaching 30 years in training, across multiple styles).

The same reason Kung Fu is different from school to school, or karate is different from school to school. People learn the system, they change it based on their own experiences, understanding and reason, and it becomes a new thing. That's how martial arts have always worked.

@@BlackSunBoxing I guess, but once you change something then it’s not technically the same system anymore… it’s your own system which works out good sometimes or not so good other times.

Sure. Yet karate is still called karate, regardless of which lineage or school. The Japanese tradition is to call a new lineage a "Ryu" or school of karate. Like matsubyashi-Ryu is still part of shorin-ryu, and both are still karate. The labels don't really matter, though. They're just a matter of history and record keeping. At the end of the day, we're all just trying to get good at first fighting.

From what I understand the katas and numbered combinations are the backbone of the Villari system. Many instructors were encouraged to create their own “kempos” from the katas and combinations to teach concepts and principles or based on a concept or principle. That is why the variation, I think. The “beginner” ones are often the same but then variation becomes more prevalent likely in answer to a student question, instructor personality, fighting style and experience.

No. My lineage comes through Nick Cerio, who thought of Ed Parker as an older brother in Kenpo, but was not his student. He's learned from George Pesare who came from Sonny Gascon's Karazenpo Goshinjutsu school. By the time you get to my sensei, it was it's own thing separate from Karazenpo, but that's the lineage. I did go through brown belt in Ed Parkers American Kenpo, but that's a completely different system.

Thank you! We always loved having Master Nohelty up for seminars. He was at my Shodan test, even. I didn't know him personally, but he always impressed me.

That is exactly what they are.

Planning on doing it. Just haven't filmed it yet. I'll do that, and stature of the crane, and the two man set. Maybe shushi no kon sho and dai too.

Hansuki, tai sing mun po pow, Thousabd buddags, five dragons face four winds, wounded tigers, iron crane.

I am only nidan, so I didn't learn those.