I come back and watch this every couple of years. One of the funniest rugby moments seeing the realisation in Dylan Hartley's eyes that his actions have consequences
Big balls to issue the first ever red card in a premiership final, but 100% the right call. Props to Wayne Barnes for stamping out any form indiscipline or disrespect towards refs in rugby before it becomes commonplace. People like him ensure professional rugby remains a good sport to watch with proper sporting attitude.
regardless of whether you like the referee or not, it is the correct decision and excellent refereeing in this case. Don't blame the referee for the red card, blame the player for not keeping his mouth shut
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Well done Wayne Barnes, great decision. Thankfully too, the biggest nob in rugby didn't make the Lions tour because of that. Justice was definitely done.
Is it customary in televised Rugby that you can hear what the referee is saying so clearly? I have to say, that's very welcome, and I would love to see it practised in more sports!
Yep you can hear just about everything the referee says in every match, and his mic also picks up much of what the players around him are saying as well - although much of that is done so that we can hear the sound effects of the tackles. Tackles aren't as exciting without the crunch noise :P
13.10 Drop-out DEFINITIONS A drop-out is a drop kick taken by the defending team. The drop-out may be taken anywhere on or behind the 22-metre line. A drop-out is used to restart play after an attacking player has put or taken the ball into the in-goal, without infringement, and a defending player has made the ball dead there or it has gone into touch-in-goal or on or over the dead ball line. 13.11 Delay in drop-out The drop-out must be taken without delay. Sanction: Free Kick on the 22-metre line. 13.12 Drop-out incorrectly taken If the ball is kicked with the wrong type of kick, or from the wrong place, the opposing team has two choices: To have another drop-out, or To have a scrum at the centre of the 22-metre line and they throw in the ball. 13.13 Drop-out must cross the line (a) If the ball does not cross the 22-metre line, the opposing team has two choices: To have another drop-out, or To have a scrum at the centre of the 22-metre line. They throw in the ball. (b) If the ball crosses the 22-metre line but is blown back, play continues. (c) If the ball does not cross the 22-metre line, advantage may apply. An opponent who plays the ball can score a try. 13.14 Drop-out goes directly into touch The ball must land in the field of play. If it is kicked directly into touch, the opposing team has three choices: To have another drop-out, or To have a scrum at the centre of the 22-metre line, and they throw in the ball, or To accept the kick. If they accept the kick, the throw-in is on the 22-metre line. So the ref decision is correct. It also means that players don't know the rules...
The player knows the law, but was under the impression that half-time would be blown as scrum offenses are usually seen as a break in play. If the kicker had kicked it directly into touch from a less obvious position, say the middle of the field, it would probably have brought on the half-time whistle. He was, however, OBVIOUSLY going for a deliberate infringement which goes against the principles of the game. He was also warned about doing that. Very foolish. In a 90s Currie Cup match, Western Province needed a win against the blue bulls to reach the final. They were leading well with two minutes to go, but the bulls scored at the death, cutting the deficit too close for comfort. During the trip back to half-way, time expired. Joel Stransky's restart flew straight into touch (by some margin) bringing on the end of the match and ensuring a spot in the final for WP.
Dude our coach told us to always listen to the ref because 99% of the time most of the nob heads in the team didn't know the rules beyond the basics 😭😭😭
As a former referee in football, my policy was that being called a cheat is an instant red card, so in Rugby it has to be a red card, I wish referees in football could be like the ones in Rugby and actually communicate with the players, but the thing is in football I cant blame the players for having a go at the ref sometimes because the mistakes they make aren't good enough, I understand everyone makes mistakes but when you see how consistant rugby referees are it just shows how poorly football referees are trained.
+FootballRantz Rugby refs get a lot more assistance with the microphone communication with touch judges and the video ref though, plus the fact the clock stops means if there is something the ref needs to check he can call time off and get another look or opinion. It's definitely true that the respect for the officials in rugby allows the ref to have the time to make those decisions (which isn't always the case in football since the ref will be surrounded as soon as a contentious decision is made), however. The other thing is in football referees are given such a contradictory message. The idea is to let the game flow, so if a ref upholds the law to the letter and it becomes a yellow-fest, it quickly becomes a farce, but then if you let too much go then you end up with a mess like the Colombia-Brazil game where people started getting hurt completely unnecessarily.
Which FIFA rule merit a red card for calling a ref a cheat? Just curious. I would love football to take notice on rugby rules towards refereeing. In football it has gone to far. Players behaving like children on every decision.
Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct clearly states "A player who is guilty of using offensive, insulting or abusive language or gestures must be sent off." Cheat is definitely insulting to a referee, calling a referee a f***ing cheat is all 3.
For those that criticised the ref, what do you say he did wrong ? The player had been previously warned, he was on notice. That he was also the captain only compounds his lack of leadership. .
I don't think Hartley is a cheat, he's just an idiot. Any Captain knows to listen to the referee. Barnes was forced to make both of those decisions, great reffing.
This has got nothing to do with football. When will rugby learn that constantly badmouthing football does their sport no favours whatsoever. If you want to grow rugby then just concentrate on the game itself without trying to compare it with others.
My point is that there's so much money going through the modern game that there's so much more at stake. Soccer players didn't always abuse referee's either. It's just the sign of the times. If a referee makes a balls of a decision that affects the result you could end up on the bench next week. I don't agree with the way it's going it's just a fact.
referee is right, the ball must be kept in play during restarts, from halfway and/or 22meter line, hence why they are called Restarts, however if the ball does end up going out of play for whatever reason lol, the other team will get the 'option', as the ref had said. Penalty kicks are the kicks where you can kick the ball out.
dub supree i thought penalty you retain possession if it goes into touch and free kicks you lose it and they get the throw? do they have the same label?
Excellent piece of refereeing - Correct decision. Lesson 1 - Listening to the Referee usually helps your decisions. Like don't kick the ball out direct. Or don't swear at me. Well done - Northampton. You ignored both in rapid order. Result - exactly what you deserved.
+Ollie The Trucker They weren't instructions, they were telling him what the rules wouldn't allow him to do. He did it anyway, so the referee penalised him, which is exactly right.
Should be permanently banned from representing his country. Long record of problems -- 26 week ban, 8 week ban, 11 for this... No place on the pitch. This is where the first time the referee has to talk for back-chat needs to be 10 in the bin.
You got exactly what you deserved Dylan.. My sympathy is for the Saints fans who looked forward to their special day and were deprived of at least equality of “arms” by very poor discipline and leadership.
I've been watching a lot of rugby clips lately. I have to say, the respect the players have for the referees is amazing! Would love to see the same in football, hockey and every other sport.
@@DN21Media I take your point. Hartley’s always been a bit of a toddler and was over-indulged. I LOVE the look on his face when he realises that mummy/daddy/,teacher/ref ‘means’ it and that he really has had his sweeties taken away. But good for Wayne Barnes. I think it made rugby’s toddler element back off a bit. Best wishes.
Ben Croucher As a football referee myself I know that if you call any football official a cheat you'd be sent from the field, I'd send a player as would any other referee.
the problem is, if referees at the highest level of football (rather than at lower levels where with less on the line respect for the officials seems to be a lot better) started sending players off for dissent, they'd start getting accused of ruining the game by repeatedly sending off crowd-pleasing players. The fact that for so long teams get away with surrounding the referee and arguing at length to protest any controversial decision, even putting their hands on them, even if non-threateningly that's an ejection in American football, for example, means that if they decided to get strict on that, you'd see a brief period with a huge number of sendings-off, and then FIFA would backtrack.
I feel a great sense of pride for rugby when Barnes made the decision sent him off. The easy option would be to ignore it in such a massive game. You can't do that to a referee in rugby.
I dont understand the rules, but no one can say the referee wasn't absolutely clear, the warning, the don't kick it out, and then the you're off sunshine
I'm a football and basketball player/fan myself but I love the respect the ref is show in Rugby. Calling the ref a cheat is disgraceful behaviour in any sport. In my youth football times the ref would often not turn up because of the grief he would get from the players and the parents.
At the end of the day Barnes did say three times loud and clear that they could not just kick the ball out. Myler seemed to ignore this or understood and went ahead anyway - so actually he's the one to blame for causing that entire mess in the first place. Listen to the ref! Honestly baffled how Myler could ask Barnes, several times, if he could kick the ball straight out and just ignore what Barnes told him!
Because he said "can't" instead of "can not". It is a loud stadium and the T is very very hard to hear in that situation. The kicker can easily hear "You can" and Refs often are generous and give you helpful tips in the rules, like you can kick it straight out (and end the half). The ref could have done much better in this situation as well.
+silvermoonrt Incorrect. In the American accent, "can" and "can't" have the same vowel. In Mr. Barnes' accent (and the accent used by everyone around him), the words sound quite different. "Can" sounds similar to American English. "Can't" sounds more like "cont", where the "o" is similar to the British pronunciation of the initial vowel in "aunt". There is no mistaking it.
Bryan Shepard that's only the RP English accent, because of Barnes' northern accent you can hear 'can' and 'can't' sound very similar. I would understand if myler misheard it. If he didn't, he's a complete plonker.
im sorry but barnes is one of the worst referees and will do anything he can to make sure the team he wants to win, wins... There were media reports awhile ago coming out about match fixing with barnes. but suddenly they are got removed and barnes isnt refereeing major games right now... he also refuses to listen to players completely even the captain, when infact in the rules say the captain can speak to the referee when time suits. and he also got the call wrong about the direct kick into touch. it should of been a penalty.
At 2:00 you can just about hear Dylan Hartley calling the ref: "You're a f***ing cheat" or somewhere along those lines and the ref was right to send Dylan off for that! Totally behind the ref there!
This is why having refs miked up is such a good move. I get footballs fear that you’d be able to pick up poor language, but once they iron that out, it would lead to more respect for refs.
It's been 8 years. I've got my thoughts together now. 1. Ref makes the correct decisions and communicates so well. 2. The guy that kicked it straight out just overhit it by mistake. He understood the ref, but just misjudged the little low kick and it didn't bounce in play.
I can’t stop watching this...it s unbelievable.... what planet is Hartley on??.... what an absolutely brilliant decision by Wayne Barnes. I don’t know what Miler was thinking of either!! What a complete abomination of professionalism this turned out to be except for Wayne Barnes who was outstanding. Let us see some other referees with some backbone.
Watching the game back as a neutral.... it was well reffed by Barnes. a few contentious decisions, but largely the right ones. Tigers had the Saints pack going backwards all day and like the Wales v England game, if that happens the ref will always favour the dominant scrum. The 22 decision was spot on too, he tells Meyler several times he can't kick the ball straight out, so Meyler kicks the ball straight out. Not Barnes' fault, really, was it.
It never fails to amaze how thick the average Rugby player must be. The referee tells them not do do something and they still do it. Then they look shocked when they are penalised. You see it all the time.
One of rugbys greatest attributes is the respect for a ref. If Barnes or others start to let stuff go you on the slippery slope. No matter what the occasion, the person or the ref, implementing it reinforces it. Therefore no slippery slope. So many sports badly need to learn from this approach
also football take note: despite all of those ramifications, Hartley didnt go ballistic and crowd the ref., nor did his team mates. I love football, but the way players behave sometimes is a disgrace.
I hate the 'it's not football' line. Just because you don't tell ref to f*** off, does not make rugby players saints. You call the ref sir and then rake a bloke on the ground who has no way of defending himself. That does not make anything any better than football.
There's people on here saying that Wayne Barnes is useless and a lot of the time that true but in this circumstance he's absolutely spot on, correct decision 100%
Dunno about you lot, but I'm joining the Wayne Barnes fan club. Good reffing, and not afraid to make the hard decisions in a final #respect People with a bee in their bonnet from 2007 need to get over themselves.
I never hear of anyone of the players or coach's complaining after losing a match so I don't know what you're talking about or it could just be your own personal bias
I'm not talking about the players or coaches, they're fine. I'm talking about the 'fans'. Irish fans are the biggest pack of one-eyed moaners in Rugby.
Myler plays rugby for a living. He should know the rules. It's not up to the referee to babysit the players through the game. I don't think Hartley's comments were really directed to Wayne Barnes here, I think he was talking to/about Tom Youngs. He is an idiot for doing it in such a manner after Barnes clearly outlined that any more chat from him would result in action against him. He's a chocolate teapot when it comes to big games.
Wayne Barnes's accent means that there is very little difference in the sound of 'can' and 'can't'. With the additional sound from the crowd, it would be even more difficult to discern. So when he said "You can't kick the ball out" it would have easily been heard as "You can kick the ball out." Which is what the player did. That is where the confusion started. It led to 6 points for the green team and a red card to Dillan Hartley.
Its great that we can hear the refs conversations with players because there's no doubt. Barnes told Myler, myler does as he wants and regrets it, Hartley is told but does as he wants as well. Epic result.
The only time Wayne Barnes has been right. He told them twice that they couldn’t kick it out directly, and DH that if he spoke to him like that again he would be dealt with….not the brightest.
Totally agree with the decision. Furthermore the fact that its rule-breaking should be irrelevant, its basic bloody respect for another human being why you don't accuse someone of corruption, whether in the heat of the moment or otherwise.
Shame that you don't know him then! Because that 'knob' has done more for charity than you can imagine. And that is the same 'knob' who goes round and chats to the disabled children around the stadium. Home or away, win or lose. You shouldn't judge, because if I had the choice to be him or you, I'd definitely choose him...
***** You may be right, but I don't know the guy. But from what iv'e seen he is a gigantic liability and he's still Captain of Northampton, he may be England's first choice hooker but he definitely is not the best hooker in the UK if you know what I mean ;)
Dylan Hartley should be ashamed of himself. Man, this is RUGBY, gentleman's game, and rules of behaviour are very clear. BTW, this kind of respect for ref should be in every sport, especially in football, they are the worst.
the most important part is what Wayne Barnes says at the beginning: 'and I think it's to me'. Whether the word cheat was aimed at Youngs or Barnes, he was walking on thin ice anyway, and said it looking at Barnes.
You're forgetting something. That was a 22 drop-out, and Myler had to drop-kick the ball out. The ball did not bounce off the floor as with a drop kick, so Barrnes' decision was right, as Myler kicked it straight out, without the ball making contact with the floor.
If your a player you shut your trap and play the game. Every player knows that you do not disrespect the ref. no matter what. If the ref seemed to make a bad call deal with it and move on because lets face it your in his realm and complaining will either cost you or both you and your team.
Honestly Wayne ABrnes has turned into one of the best refs in the game. Yes, he's had his bad moments, but no one's perfect. He handled this situation perfectly.
The problem here is that Wayne Barnes is saying ‘you CAN’T kick it out’. However it sounds very much like he is saying ‘you CAN kick it out’ which is what the player heard. Then chaos ensued from here.
Such a brain fart by Myler... As for Barnes, he is maybe the best ref in the world now that Rolland retired. The best with Owens and Walsh. Good decision on that one. you warn once, and then you punish
31lafouine sorry man but wayne barnes is a fucking idiot and so is steve walsh, owens is a great ref. barnes is inconsistent at the breakdown and has no fucking clue how to ref a scrum, watch ireland vs france in this years six nations, when we clearly infringed at a scrum he penalised france, ten minutes later he penalised us for doing the exact same thing
Lucky for you, you won't see Walsh refereeing anymore. Barnes is a great ref, I'll stand by that. I think you don't realise how many things a ref has to check on each play. I am refereeing many games in amateur rugby in France and I can tell you this is a full concentration activity. Shitty calls happen and the rules of rugby leaves much space to interpretation. According to your name, you're probably Irish, and if you watch the last Wales Ireland you'll see how he always tries to keep the game carrying on and how he rewards the initiative, without advantaging unreasonably one team or the other. As for the managing of characters and hard plays, he is not as good as Owens who is the absolute reference but he is more than decent.
31lafouine sorry but tries to keep the game carrying on? he gave 25 penalties in the irish and welsh game, i think i read that before that game both teams had averaged giving away like 6 or 7 penalties a game, and not sounding like a bitter supporter but he gave 2 penalties to wales in the first half for ireland not rolling away but in the 2nd half during irelands attacking spell when wales absolutely shut us out,incredible defense, wales(especially faletau) were so slow at rolling away, and were slowing down irish ball and no penalties came for those offenses(they did get yellows for others im well aware but just for consistency sake). also i hate using irish games as examples but he did ref two of their games this 6 nations and both i found he made some ridiculous calls
Yeah for the continuity of the game that match was not a good example, I concede. But I thought his refereeing was good. And Ireland is my 2nd favorite rugby team (I am French).
31lafouine just a thing with irish fans, we don't like wayne barnes, with munster, leinster and ireland we have a terrible winning record when wayne barnes is the referee, love nigel owens and joubert, they let the game flow and dont take shit from anyone
