I love the bit at 2:45. "First of all, you cannot pull someone by the hair, that's a red card for you. Second, you cannot turn around and punch someone in the face, that's a red card for you." and the second guy just throws his arms up like "If I can't turn around and punch someone in the face, what kind of game is it?"
Interesting to watch this back in recent times, as they were surprised by a red, and in the 2019 WC there were red cards for much less. Its definitely a different game, safer even though sometimes a little bit too controlling.
Very important rule because 5lbs of weight falling from 5feet is enough to crush a skull. Now imagine 200lbs of someone falling to the ground and landing on their head can cause a lot of damage.
It's codified in Rugby Union, National Rugby League, World Rugby Tests, what have you. It is an actual rule that a tackle must involve the arms wrapping the opposing player, and the tackler bringing that player to the ground or off the ball with care. If that tackle involves the tackled player being taken off their feet, the tackler assumes the duty of care to ensure that that player is able to continue the match, ie be taken down gently. If the tackler is delinquent in that duty of care, the player is penalized or carded appropriately. Lower back and ass landings are, unless egregious, rules as penalties. Upper back and shoulders landing is a yellow. Shoulders and neck up are red, instantly, as someone pointed out in another reply that 5 lbs from 5 feet is all that is needed to crush a vertebrae or skull. And these guys often range in the 200 to 300 lbs range, all solid muscle. Rugby isn't called "The Gentleman's Sport" for nothing. EDIT: This is shown perfectly at 3:55. He gets lifted, comes down (albeit mostly controlled) on his shoulders and neck. Ref: "He's gone above the horizontal and come down on his neck, I have NO OPTION but a red." Dangerous play gets a red card, even if the guy wasn't injured. Absolutely perfect judgement from the ref.
It was a little bit of a stupid line because the whole role of a referee IS to tell players how to play. But for a spur of the moment statement it was funny. My favorite was "the law says you may take a player off his feet, but then you must put him down again with care." And then feed him tea and biscuits while massaging his tired feet, lol!
Not that is not true at all the referee isn't there to tell them how to play. The referee is there to keep the time and enforce the rules. How the players want to play the game is up to them.
It funny how the card process is for rugby compared to soccer/football. In soccer, the ref quickly flashes a card and play resumes. In rugby, the ref stops the game, pulls the offending player over, pulls the captain over, explains to the player why he was such a bad boy, then hold the card high for everyone to see. It the best shame job in sports.
not sure what you are talking about.. red card in soccer results in 11 players surrounding the ref, pushing him around and screaming in his face for several minutes.
That's because in football the clock doesn't stop. The time that the referee takes to explain his decision is time that the match loses and does not recover. Football has to change its rules to allow this.
@@jamesrosemary2932 Football doesn't WANT to change rules. If not VAR would be started before TMO in rugby. It would be so easy to resolve many problems like loss of time, simulations or similar: doctors on the field during gameplay and time off if game is stopped, time off during var (incredible, but in football during VAR review time doesn't stop), simulations confirmed by VAR? Red card. And more ...
0:20 For non french speaking people : "You two started the fight, so red card for each one of you". To the third guy "by three time you came into the melee to throw punches, red card". Basically :p
refereeing in rugby is a constant surprise to me, as a football watcher, the respect the players have to these referees accepting every decision, and the use of replays you change a decision, and the viewer getting a listen to what the refs reasoning, all these would prove football to be a better, easier to watch without frustration imo, but its just not
Oliver Prendergast it's one reason why I've swapped from watching football to rugby. You should go to live matches too - they are way more fun. All the fans are mixed in together, friendly, fun atmosphere, great with children.
@@laurameakin8725 Exactly, even when it's teams with a serious rivalry, you find us having a beer together, having some friendly banter, everyone just wants to have a good time.
Football is ALOT more subjective and less clear than rugby. There's so much up to discretion and interpretation, it is just too hard to be a football ref
I did it once in my sport (floorball) when I was a lad, I was the last man, trailing the attacker and pulled him back a bit with my stick... attacker misses his shot, I hear the whistle and straight go to the sin bin without looking at the ref, apologizing to my team for taking that penalty... I knew what I did... the ensuing penalty shot was missed and we did not get scored against in the 2min boxplay...
I have the impressions the Rugby Referees do a much better Job explaining their decisions for all to hear and looking at replays than Football referees. I hope this will be someday true for Football as well.
well they are not "better" they are different. Rugby in itself is a very physical sport demanding high amounts of care towards each other that means that most players are very much aware that the ref, if he makes a call, has very much reason to do so. Hence less argumentation. Secondly, refs can get the replay and change a decicion made which makes the calls in most cases very fair and straight. With football people still tend to say well missdesicions are part of the game and bad luck if it was wrong. That leads to higher acceptance within the players towards a refs call. Thirdly refs in most cases as you said don't just blatenly call a consequence but explain what happened to everyone involved becuase sometimes for the players its hard to keep track of what happened. Ans lastly, the audiance accepts these kinds of "offtimes" as part of the game becuase it makes it more enjoiable due to a general better understanding of the game. That is something I've nto seen in footballs or other sports audiances.
Rugby has the advantage that you can stop the clock. In football you can not. So refs have time to make their minds from whatever resource is available.
Rugby officials have the advantage of the players listening, and allowing the official to make a decision. Whereas a soccer official has 24 players yelling at him about what to do
You have to be English ! Ask a Scotsman, an Irishman a Frenchman, a Welshman and southern hemisphere players too, who usually gets the 50/50 decisions from refs., and surprise, surprise they all say England.
@@johnlewis9745 ?? Lol in nz . The captains treat the refs like how they are with their coaches, with alot of respect . To make the match go smoothly . Even 14 year old captains know this .
@Huzaif 86 wish this would be the way too in football(/soccer) - they are unbelievable disrespectful to the referees (I can mostly speak for the german bundesliga). On the other hand a lot of football/soccer players are acting 50% of the time so a lot of unfair ref-decisions are likely to happen🤷🏼♂️
I love how the respect afforded to the officials is self governed. A couple of times when the players reacted poorly their team mates got around them and told them to wind their necks in
I literally cringed when I heard that, stupid biased pieces of shit. I like Wales over France and I don't mind some bias, especially when they are announcing for their country. But come on, that "pretty harsch" was plain disgusting.
I love the bit at 8.45 as the Ulster player can not understand why he’s been sent off for a ‘dangerous tackle’ as the guy gets stretchered off behind him.
Don’t you just love how a referee in rugby can show a red card and then straight away turn his back ‘conversation over’ and the players take the decision.
4:08 "he's gone above the horizontal and he's landed on his neck, i've got no option but a red card" "you are joking" for that comment, the captain should be sin-binned.
Captain is well withing his rights to have a discourse with the ref. If he's said 'that's a fucking joke' or something disrespectful, he'd have gone to the bin for sure.
@@sendittoherlihy I didn't realize it was a joke that lifting someone off their feet and having them land on their neck was a joke. Last time I checked that's some dangerous stuff and could paralyze someone.
@@gregoryelm4798 I agree entirely, you can see the player shift his weight to ensure he comes down like a sack of spuds, he even immediately looks to his teammate and waves his hand down so he doesn't stop him falling because he was looking for the decision. It's also worth nothing that while it's unfortunate that both players tackled him there was also one of his teammates involved who hooked his leg around which contributed to his rotation.
I'm argentinian and Lavanini played 5 years rent free when they could add a better player in his place. He's agressive, always makes those dangerous tackles in every game and still puts that surprised pikachu face. Props to all the reffs here
Lavanini now plays for the Leicester Tigers in England (my club). His manager there is Steve Borthwick who was formerly the England Forwards Coach. It would seem that under Borthwicks guidance Lavanini has flourished. His discipline has improved a lot and his overall play, which was very good anyway is better. Great news for the Tigers and Argentina, not so good for any opponents because he's a hell of a player.
Yeah, the problem then becomes that the video will be about 20min long. YT Analytics show that my first comp got an average of 5:55min (10:21min video), 2nd got 6:07min (11:09min), 3rd got 7:54min (13:01) and 4th got 4:54min (8:19min). The majority of people only watch half the video as it is, I think that doubling it wouldn't really help, also, all of the clips themselves are available on YT. I tried including more in this one than the previous ones though, will try something else in the future. The purpose of the video was more of how the referees and players handle being given a penalty card, rather than the actions themselves. - Devin
@@DevinZA The averages will always look flawed as they show the mean. Look at the median and you'll see most views are for the full video, while the rest are pretty short (e.g. people clicking on the video and realising they've seen it before OR just viewing 1 clip in isolation). Go long, or break it up into many videos. I would happily watch a good half hour of your videos.
This is why I love to watch rugby, the referee is the boss. The player never protest the decision. Should be titled referee handling business like a boss
Football referees are allowed to change their decisions, but they most do it before play has resumed, giving them a very small timeframe to do so and replays aren't very practical as it would mess up the whole flow of the game. It comes naturally in rugby as there are much more stoppages and the ref can stop the clock to view replays however in football it would mess up the flow of the game, make it slower and much less enjoyable that being said though rugby referees do carry a lot more respect and that needs to grow in football as you often see players after a decision is given just crowding the ref and always complaining, bad to see and needs to change
TinyRodent idk is its better but the fact that they treat players with respect and demand respect be given to them is amazing I wish refs had this authority and respect in football if referees were respected more the game would improve a lot
As a soccer referee I have to be agree with you!!! And the most important thing it's the players respect for the authority and the desitions. Sorry my bad english hehe
Lmao, the flow of football games. There's a stoppage after every play. It's already super slow. Wouldn't even hurt much to throw a replay here and there.
Problem is that the rules are not on the side of the refs. FIFA/FA's need to change the rules so that all dissent is forbidden and only captains may talk to the ref, otherwise yellow or red. That would end this bullshit quick enough. Add to that immediate red cards for diving and play acting and football would be a much better game.
Absolutely with you on that one. That's what the captain should be for -- the ONE person on the pitch allowed to actually address the referee, to stop that mass confrontation of the ref.
I agree that diving needs to be at least a yellow every time, the problem is that all too often the referee for a Football match, especially at the World Cup level, is never in a good position to see that its a dive. We can use replays to show the lack of contact, but when the referee is 30-40 yards away from the play its hard for them to see what is happening. The best way that FIFA can improve football is to finally admit that the field is too big and the ball can move too quickly for one referee to cover the whole field. They need to add at least 2 more referees on the field who move with the ball and the players and are spread out over the entire field so when a player kicks the ball from one penalty area to the other, there is a referee near the play when the ball comes down. That is one thing the NFL actually has done well over the years. They recently added an additional referee in order to increase the ability of the referees to see the entire field. There was just too much going on for the 7 man crews to catch everything. (OF course, they have the advantage of the stop and go nature of the game, but still they admitted they needed more coverage and added additional referees).
Bit of context on Keith Earls' card: This was the first match after Munster's head coach, a former player and captain of the team, passed away at the age of 42. The emotion in the game was off the scale, it took a lot of bravery for the referee to show a (justified) red card in that stadium, under those conditions. What's even better is that 14 man Munster still went on to hammer the opposition and set off on a run that took them to the final of the Pro 12 and semi final of the Champions Cup.
Coming from a soccer(football) fan, I LOVE how the ref gets the respect of the players! Nobody is crowding and crying for any and everything! Just the ref, captain(s) and the player that gets dealt with. I loved seeing that!
Halen Ball-Vant to be fair Hohaia bit off more than he could chew I understand that’s the scrum half’s role to get under the big boys skin he just picked the wrong one that day don’t cause shit if you can’t handle what’s coming next he should’ve learnt that in NZ it’s part of everyday life here lol
@@eahco8476 this is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen in a comments segment. That he only got suspended for 6 months is ridiculous. This is rugby, not some back street pub in Auckland.
@@christoduplessis8177 boo hoo you fucking pussy, little man wants to act like a big boy he can get put in his place as such simple dont try to get involved in shit you cant handle valuable lesson for life
that comentator has no fucking idea what the actual fuck hes talking about, thats absurd. Thats the easiest red card in the world. He left him off his feet, didnt bring him down with his body and he fell on his head.
@@blackwiza24 it absolutely is a red, as it should be. But in 2011 these rules were just implemented and there was inconsistent refereeing about it during the tournament. Think that’s what the confusion was with the commentary. Still a clear red though
@@huntsorigin I mean I was playing in 2011 and it would 100% have been a red, I have no idea if pro changed rules or something but its a disgusting hit
@@blackwiza24 Until the early 2000s, these tackles were allowed! In France at least once a match you could see one of these "cathedral tackles", everyone applauded and the match continued!
I think football could simply benefit from having the audio from the refs microphones. Why they don't implement that is crazy, hearing their justification for such decisions could be really useful. Retrospective decisions too would help referees SO much... Crazy really their justifications for not having it.
@@Leifr952 I thoroughly enjoy both. Drawing comparison's from one or the other is not so far fetched either on the basis they have a very similar origin. To counter your point, you can enjoy any sport and still compare it to other sports y'know.. if that's what you want to do like.
@@jasonscarse7901 Fair enough. Not trying to antagonise. I just find it frustrating how a lot of rugby fans spend more time moaning about football than simply enjoying their own sport. It's like a strange inferiority complex and it needs to stop.
The best thing on the game seemed that there aren't big discussions or anything and they go straight out of the field. Wish there would be the same thing in football (soccer).
Well true but taht is due to the nature of the sport. As for rugby we have a very pysical sport where every player knows of the dangers - and most red cards were not malicious intend but lack of care. But footballplayers often are immature and lack the understandment of beeing physically pushed over while in full speed (becuase in normal circumstanced they don't experiance it). That leads to more discussions on the field with the ref.
The clip at 10mins is interesting because the "referee" is told by his "assistant" about the offence, then the referee asks "YELLOW OR RED" Can you imagine a football ref asking "YELLOW OR RED" Football ref don't take advice. THEY ARE THE BOSS !!!! You get more respect in rugby between players and officials than football could ever dream of.
Most players accepted and left directly. No nagging no bitching. I am not a big fan of rugby but there is more sportsmanship than in football or tennis.
It amazes me the reactions from some of these players that they don’t know the laws of the game. It’s your job big lad, learn the laws. Faces like “what do you mean I can’t ram someone in the face with my shoulder?!”
Can't believe how much respectful are rugby players with authority . So much better than football . Players are not actors in this sport and they have much more respect for referees etc ... And they don't cry like like little babies when they are hurt .
One of the rules I really enjoy about Rugby (and to a lesser extent Aussie Rules Footy) is that if a player is OBVIOUSLY injured, the physio/medic/trainer/medical professional can charge the field while play is in action to ensure the safety of that player. Perfect example, the eye punch and KO by Flowers at 3:28, and the physio is already halfway out into the field to care for the guy by 3:30. Great rule. Same happens in Aussie Rules, except that they don't exactly AVOID the physio like they do in Rugby.... I remember watching a physio running out and getting absolutely steamrolled by a guy at full tilt trying to get in position to take a mark XD
Phillip Rios Most „soccer“ referees do too, the only difference is that many of the players today are divas with no sense for reality and respect. Also the job of the captain of a team is not as strong as in rugby. If the only one who would be allowed to complain would be the captain and coaches would get harsher penalties, it would much more organized.
@2:55 "... you cannot turn around and punch someone in the face." Hockey players scratch their heads and assure everyone, "Yes. Yes you can. Especially if it's Claude Lemieux. Even if he's retired."
I really like the minimum of complaining from the players. It is the same thing we see in American Football. Compare that to the reaction of Soccer players - especially south European or South American players.
I really admire the respect shown to the ref by some ferocious looking guys,the only problem I have is when occasionally the ref kind of throws the responsibility for his decision on the linesman.
When I was a teen, I was offended when an older gentleman told me "Football(soccer) is for boys, Rugby is for men!" Now I'm 36 and realised that he was right all along lol! Dont get me wrong, I still love and watch soccer every chance I get but its refreshing to see the respect the refs get in rugby as opposed to soccer(football)
I never likes rugby but truly loves how the officers referring compare to football's and NBA's; straightforward, no nonsense, listening, watch replays all the times, and minimal poor judgement, even they so sometimes, they correct it right after replays
As a football fan, and a regular watcher of the English Premier League, I am excessively jealous at the refs rugby has. If someone does something dirty, they're off. In football we just start talking about how it's part of the english game, that the offending player was just cleverly bending the rules, or that he didn't mean to do it.
That is what put me off football in the first place. It wasn't always like that. I remember when winning the Fair Play award was actually meaningful. Now every time I watch football there is some foul play/cheating incident within 5mins of watching that goes unpunished or is rewarded. Very irritating and a waste of time, so I switch off again.
Do not agree with Ben Flower's reaction to this incident but he was not the protagonist, just check the hit he took at 3:25 whilst off the ball. The white & red player that did that should also have been sent off! No arm tackles should be dealt more severely!
GunControl100 Wrong. 3:21 Flower hits Hohaia from behind for no reason and so Hohaia retaliates... And wtf is the point of sending off a player that’s been knocked out? His nights already done.
@@maoribrotha53 Hohaia purposely tried to block flower from the kick and didnt like the fact that a prop out muscled him so went with elbows into flower that first punch was totally deserved it was the second i have a problem with
planethamster Hohaia doesn’t change his line, he just turns around. Hohaia doesn’t have to move out of the way for another player to chase a kick. It’s Ben Flowers job to go around.
NAh would not say so. We have a vastly different situation among the refs. As for rugby players are veyr well aware of the highly physical part and therefore have more care towards eachother and therefore leading to more respect towards the ref, if he makes a call. That is one thing football lacks, most players are very immature and want to pick a fight leading to more problems with the ref. 2ly the ref in rugby has the ability to watch a replay and change a call which leads to more respect within the game. Ans lastly the audiance in football often directly attacks refs not only verbaly but (at least in Germany) also physically so much hat on a low level that no ref wanted to referee a game for that season. That places those refs on the edge which leads to stupid desicisons and actions. So my guess is that the "culture" around football needs to change in order for the refs to to their actually job and not trying to kindergarden those players.
Pisses me off when players pretend to not know the rules... "WHAT? A punch to the face is a red card?! I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do that?! Ref, you're having a laugh!" like stfu Picks up a guy off the floor and dumps him on his head, but argues with the ref like "WHY?"
