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@KanalFrump Год назад

This video demonstrates how Schrödinger's Oreo exists in an indeterminate state of being in or not in Louis's lap.

@rationalbushcraft Год назад

Hahahaha we all collapsed the waveform at the same time.

@jrkorman Год назад

I no longer concern myself with such things as I am quite certain that mine have discovered teleportation and use it often.

@sir_fapalot Год назад

Notice how DRM always has vaguely good sounding names like "dynamic security" or "trust protection module" so people don't question it

@nonotorious1467 Год назад

Yeah because it's for the company not the user.

@SvendleBerries Год назад

Thats how it is with a ton of things these days.

@Carryp Год назад

Malware is the correct name for that crap

@oj5218 Год назад

Same with policies that contain the word 'freedom'. Then be prepared to lose a good chunk of freedom.

@whirled_peas Год назад

Yep, today all bad things sound good (like trust protection module), and all good things sound bad (like cock & ball torture)

@PraxZimmerman Год назад

It's morally acceptable to throw HP printers at their office buildings.

@dahobbs9 Год назад

Just throw them out of windows two stories or higher.

@shib5267 Год назад

but then you're wasting your own money. You should use pipebombs instead

@kencochrane2885 Год назад

The Movie The Office shows how notably frustrated people get because of printers. They seem designed to do so.

@kandipoopipants1794 Год назад

With a pumpkin chucker

@ablebaker8664 Год назад

Mass return to sellers. They can ignore one person, even 5 or 6, but beyond that they are going to have to either issue full refunds or try to hide from the customers. You can't do business as a retailer if you have to hide from your customers.

@xntumrfo9ivrnwf Год назад

A local shop here in Europe that sells (great) unofficial ink emailed all clients recently warning us to NOT update our printers for this very reason. Legends

@makuru.42 Год назад

What's there name?

@ElementalDonnie Год назад

@@makuru.42 Thank you for asking this! The more shops we can promote that do the right thing, the better off we all are as consumers.

@dev0random Год назад

It's pretty futile because these printers will break down and you'll have to get a new one eventually.

@Finn-gy6tu Год назад

@@dev0random because of people like you, hp can do something like that

@katherinelangford981 Год назад

We tell everyone customer with an HP printer never to update an HP printer if they want to refill or use compatibles. We generally advise to buy Canon or Brother machines, as they tend to be more friendly with compatibles and refills.

@americo_san Год назад

Printers back then: - Install it just by copying some .inf files - Done. - Noisy and temperamental as h*ll - Huge serial cables behind the CPU - You could use even house paint, even liquid paper as ink - Printed everything even underwater - So much dust, flies and ants, but they kept working fine. - You could drop them on the floor and smash it. Just fine. Printers nowadays: - Install it (online only) by filling out obnoxious forms and giving all your personal data - Noisy and temperamental as h*ll - They can be by the side of the router - they get a bad connection - Refurbished cartridges or compatible hardware won't work anymore - Buy only original cartridges and it still complains they're not - Press a button or move the printer an inch while printing: blurred print - "There's a particle of dust inside me. I'm broken forever" I had a 2000s Epson Stylus Color 480 that still works. Bought an HP recently and it's already broken.

@asdion Год назад

You forgot, "Magenta is empty, you can not print black and white until you replace magenta"

@bonbonpony Год назад

Flies and ants were the machinists :J

@chamber_hiro256 Год назад

Gotta invest in one of those. Also heard about compatibility issues. How do you dodge that?

@random152 Год назад

you forgot the paper on spindles that were a pain to load for printers back then and for the printers nowadays the excessive cleaning cycles that are just to waste the ink to force you to buy more

@caldera11 Год назад

Ink tank printers exist - they dont use cartridges (You pour ink into a receptacle) (they have no idea what you're pouring in so can't put DRM on it)

@Original-Yellow Год назад

I've never had a single HP product that I've said. "This is well made. I'm super glad I made this purchase. What a nice experience."

@m1stertim Год назад

I have. It was an HP Laserjet 4+. After that experience, the relationship became slowly more abusive with various printer models through the late 00s until I eventually gave up and went to brother.

@martharetallick204 Год назад

Back in the day, the Laserjet 2 was excellent.

@ZealotOfSteal Год назад

I bought an HP probook 45something that I bought in 2013 and still use. It came with a 3 in 1 printer/scanner. I gave it to my mother. It has only been used as a scanner, because she has a laser printer and the original ink in the 3 in 1 dried our years ago.

@fhunter1test Год назад

Older HP laser printers were semi-decent.

@ffwast Год назад

Well my old HP branded CRT monitor from 20 years ago still worked last I checked...

@romancvijanovic7130 Год назад

I think HP's decision to install this security measure is really good. It reduces the amount of research I have to put into finding a good printer.

@techbulb3440 Год назад

Brother printers are great.

@heretolevitateme Год назад

If you're still buying HP products in 2023, this probably doesn't change anything for you.

@rossmanngroup Год назад

The opposite, it sets a precedent that you have to research finding a good printer. Other companies will copy what HP did because HP got away with it!!

@lokelaufeyson9931 Год назад

If every company do the same and add DRM like this you will end up in a situation where a library printer is the only option you have.. since you dont pay for the ink or toners in those..

@aiastelamonian6868 Год назад

troll... lol

@niciassmith1204 Год назад

I had this issue with HP. They sent me one ink cartridge that was for the wrong printer and hit me with a charge of $249. My printer cost $199.

@KOZMOuvBORG Год назад

Recently replaced the low-capacity "starter" cartridges for my ($280) Color LaserJet with a full CMYK set, those cost

@gblargg Год назад

@@KOZMOuvBORG A while back there was a great bar chart showing the cost of inkjet ink versus blood and other fluids. You can already guess which one topped the chart. Title is "HP Ink Costs More Than Human Blood"

@davematthewes7446 Год назад

I've seen it a few times printer Is $40 replacement cartridges are close to $100 so as expected ends up on the curb or recycling bin

@chungusamongus519 Год назад

B R U H

@ihavenoson3384 Год назад

Look up a video called "Ink Cartridges Are A Scam" by AustinMcConnell , an ex printing supplies marketer, at around 2m55s. Quote: "We were selling multi-color ink cartridges for $59.95 and the [listed] cost of manufacturing? $0.23 !" So basically, ink makers like HP take relatively cheap refined oil products and sell them for over 15,000 % marked up prices. That is like comparing a half-penny to a dollar. They price it high because people cannot home-make that stuff.

@peregreena9046 Год назад

They're actually pretty dumb disabling your printer. What would be much more efficient and no public relation nightmare, would be to simulate "bad ink" by making the printout inconsistent. (Well, unless someone leaks that it's done to the public)

@nobodyreally9799 Год назад

Kind of glad they're too stupid to be sneaky about it.

@nulano Год назад

@@nobodyreally9799 Google isn't sneaky about getting you to use Chrome. If you use any browser other than the big 4, if it doesn't camouflage itself as Chrome, Google will show you a website that is deliberately ugly - 1deg offset lines, etc. This makes it impossible for new browsers to be "popular" because they can't show up in statistics - they pretend to be Chrome just so you get a functional website.

@navb0tactual Год назад

DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS!!!

@peregreena9046 Год назад

@@navb0tactual It's too late for that now, if they tried it now, there is no way it wouldn't be seen for what it is.

@itsTyrion Год назад

you're giving them ideas...

@TheQuickSilver101 Год назад

It'd make my life a lot easier if the good companies (assuming there is such a thing in 2023) actually advertised that they aren't adding DRM to paper and don't lock out ink because it wasn't produced or sold by them

@kopazwashere Год назад

Laser printers dont seem to have drm.

@seanclark8452 Год назад

@@kopazwashere Laser printer toner does have DRM, Lexmark toner does for example.

@thomass2451 Год назад

@@kopazwashere True, but if you're trying to print photos then you're kinda stuck with inkjet.

@linsqopiring6816 Год назад

What does adding drm to paper even mean?

@TheQuickSilver101 Год назад

@@linsqopiring6816 Well, in the case of Dymo it means they have added something to their printer paper that the printer must see (from what I understand by using RFID) before it prints. If it doesn't see the Dymo identification because you're trying to use cheaper labels it won't print

@saywhat9158 Год назад

NEVER let an HP printer connect to the internet. That is like a direct connection to a malware maker for your computer.

@em0_tion Год назад

That's stupid.

@milestailprower Год назад

A lot of people like me get a wireless printer to share with multiple devices and family. Most people are not going to use a network firewall against their WiFi printer. Although I haven't had problems with my Brother printer, they may be temped to follow in HP's footsteps - just like Apple removing headphone jacks from their phones. Even if you only connect your printer with USB, it is possible for your PC with HP's official drivers to make a firmware update over USB if they wanted. If you just use generic drivers, you may not be able to adjust DPI, use ink-saving mode, etc. If you never update your HP printer drivers, there may be an actual security risk at doing so (especially for businesses). While some businesses might be able to firewall all of their printers on the network, most consumers are not going to do that.

@linsqopiring6816 Год назад

I was thinking about this but then if you install their software drivers during installation on your pc can't those put the updates into the printer?

@fhunter1test Год назад

@@linsqopiring6816 they can.

@linsqopiring6816 Год назад

@@fhunter1test Yea so how do you print anything without getting the updates?

@boltinabottle6307 Год назад

I sold a LOT of printers when I was a tech at Staples, and my experiences there support your argument (that we bring it on ourselves). I was a very good salesman (I made recommendations based on use case while ignoring company "push" items), but the percentage of customers that actually answered my questions truthfully and bought a printer that would be cost effective and meet their needs, was very low. About half of the customers would just pick up the $60 HP/Epson/Canon of the week deal. The business owners that I dealt with on Long Island would gladly pay more for a better product, but they are such a small percentage of the customer base.

@Maleko48 Год назад

this kind of bs is exactly why I DON'T update firmware, BIOS, drivers, etc and often actively go out of my way to segment and block OEM updates from being automatically pushed to MY devices without my knowledge and/or approval.... been screwed one too many times. I will live with a few less features and "less security" every time

@atomstarfireproductions8695 Год назад

Unless you are having software issues there’s really no reason to update firmware on a printer, it doesn’t add any features or functionality

@zasu5450 Год назад

Thank you for everything you do man. Keep at it we need more people like you.

@FollowingStorm0 Год назад

Understatement of the Year!

@justiron2999 Год назад

I thought that Louis' analogy was good but a better one is that your car can only go to certain gas stations and if gets any other gas then it would shut down your car.

@LZeugirdor Год назад

I saw this when Steve Lehto made a video on it. I actually mentioned there as well that you have made videos about companies doing stuff like this. I love the coverage, it's sad that this sort of activity isn't even surprising anymore. I think feeling like this is inadvertently placating people because they're used to it and they shouldn't be.

@redryder6987 Год назад

Unfortunately I don't think Steve knows as much as he likes to think he does.

@moo3993 Год назад

My friends thought I was nuts buying a $300 printer that only did B/W. I explained the same thing to them, and they could not comprehend it. "You can buy a $80 printer, and 3 cartridges before you spend $300". What happens after those 3 carts? Now we're talking. Cost per page analysis. Lifetime over that product, cpp was $0.02. that $80 printer? cpp was $0.14. I was guaranteed to print 30 pages per transaction at my business. I've run through over 3k pages of paper $60 vs $420. People don't see long term value. I have a local printer shop who told me all these things, they had a sign in the store bigger than the rest that says "NEVER UPDATE YOUR FIRMWARE, IT'S NEVER BETTER". I just want to call them now lol.

@em0_tion Год назад

Hat off to you, sir. 🙇‍♂ Refreshing to see a person with more than two brain cells stuck together. 🍻 And that's VERY RARE nowadays. 😆✌

@boltinabottle6307 Год назад

I would have probably recommended a brother 5850 (monochrome MFP) to someone like you when I worked at Staples. The initial cartridge alone would cover the cost of the printer when compared against cheap inkjets + ink. Brother laser's aren't finicky about reman toners either. I do recommend buying the brand name drums, however. The cheap ones tend to leave streaks, even when new.

@moo3993 Год назад

@@boltinabottle6307 it's funny you mention a brother because I got an MFC 2710DW. Man that first toner cartridge did almost 1200 pages 😂

@moo3993 Год назад

@@em0_tion you can lead them to water, but you can't force them to drink it 😂

@em0_tion Год назад

@@boltinabottle6307 Dunno about Brother's drums specifically, but brand new ones from any brand shouldn't leave streaks on the page. The rubber blade should be changed and cleaned in tandem, otherwise - streaks. Never seen a NEW cartridge do that though, still, won't be surprised anymore. smh

@RyanTaylor03 Год назад

"Intellectual property for ink cartridge chips" is all I need to hear. My epson has a tank, I open it, I fill the tank. I spend £17 on Epson original ink maybe once a year, usually lasts longer than that. There's loads of 3rd party ink that's even cheaper. It's an easy recommendation when the costs are 5-10% of what an HP Victim pays.

@verona007 Год назад

We print 100-200 pages per day. How about that? What will be the cost of ink/month?

@RyanTaylor03 Год назад

@@verona007 depends on the content, if it’s a full page of text then 9p per page, for a full colour A4 then 33p per page from Epsons figures. At that volume though I’d be looking at refurbished toner printers if it’s only B&W

@mkendallpk4321 Год назад

Louis, you make a number of valid points. Unfortunately consumers are price driven and even worse upfront price driven. Few if any ever realize the ongoing costs of using a product that has consumables. All they see is the initial costs and not the operating cost. It is going to take a lot of education, like this video, to change their viewpoint.

@Original-Yellow Год назад

I think your right. A lot of these kinda of videos and ideas go to the Ubermench fallacy were people need to be better. Which yes but its sad.

@schr4nz Год назад

I was going to comment something akin to this, the issue now is that pretty much all manufacturers run this model and no-one is going to increase the upfront cost of their printer, the only way is to have some kind of industry roundtable and intervention from a regulator to come up with a plan out of this bullshit model and ensure it isn't returned to, not sure that is going to happen though... also, if someone could design a fully open source product, that would also work.

@godofwar4276 Год назад

You are right. the immediate pain in switching out is more of a hurdle. A couple of years ago, I decided to take that hit and bought a epson eco tank printer instead of buying new HP cartridge. It was a one time big expense but has reduced my on going expenses significantly.

@mammutMK2 Год назад

I get it for the scenario with "buy ink and get the printer for free" that they want to get the money back by selling the ink. But this is no topic with a 400 $ printer that cost 150 $ to produce. On the other side, why cut down on the profit. Like Louis said in the end, who will buy a 400$ printer, when he can get one for 100...even when that 400$ printer will say "no drm, will fit any cartridge,even refillable tanks" , who will sell more...the 100$ one with drm and people ending up paying 50 for the ink

@mushyroom9569 Год назад

The problem is that he’s also made the point that there are no trustworthy companies, most recently in his Lenovo video. So it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to blame the customer for basing their buying decisions purely on price, when that’s the ONLY thing they can trust.

@scott4825 Год назад

There are refillable tank ink and higher volume ink printers. When buying a typical printer, you need to first look at aftermarket ink options for it and see how much they run because in reality what you are buying is ink, and they are typically giving the printer away. Most HPs are sub $100. The problem is that so much gets tossed into the landfill as a result.

@alleriodrone Год назад

The refillable tanks are cool but when setting them and forgetting them they break badly. I have a friend who owns a repair and selling business (2-way radios) that only prints out like 20 pages a month but has 3 printers so they are always in a convenient place... They are great until the ink dries up or an update completely bricks the printer. Unfortunately both these situations happened. I suggested buying a black and white toner printer instead but he wanted color so he might be back on HP by now. Before that he was using printers from the late 90s but it is getting hard to find the ink and almost impossible to get the driver's working on a modern windows install.

@scott4825 Год назад

@@alleriodrone Ideally he uses one color printer for all prints, and then does a few extra prints occasionally to keep the printheads clean. Most jet ink printers brick themselves if they aren't used pretty regularly. Right now I"m really happy with the Brother Inkvestment MFC-J995DW I have. They have cartridges that hold a LOT of ink, and the Amazon aftermarket ones work pretty well @25 for a set once you get it figured out (the printer doesn't show ink level with them, but it still prints). Another thing he could do is buy one with a 3 year Amazon warranty. :) But it generally is a horrible cat and mouse game with printers, especially if you have any of their software/drivers updating. My workhorse is a 5 yr old Brother laser printer that was sub $100, and has probably gone through 40,000 pages. The toner off Amazon typically is around $10 for it.

@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад

I recently saw an ad with Shaq for Epson EcoTank (ET-4760), where they show that not only can you refill the ink tanks yourself, but you can SEE the ink levels on the front of the printer. Smart move by Epson, particularly with this HP nonsense going on. Sure, the one in the ad is about $540, but the line has lower-priced options too, some in the sub-$200 range. - And no microchips in the ink!

Год назад

They are putting chip into the waste ink pool...

@Donnerwamp Год назад

Ink is just a waste for home users. You don't use it for a week, and it's trash/a pain in the ass to get running again. Most people print something when a company or the government is a dick to them and demands something in paper form, aside from that maybe when there's some legal trouble, but aside from that pretty much anything can be done digitally or you go to a copy shop. And for those rare occasions you really need to print something yourself, an affordable laser printer will suffice. It won't dry up, it won't run out of yellow, it's 100 times faster per page and that stuff is dirt cheap per page.

@richlewis562 Год назад

ALSO - If you sign up for HP Instant Ink program, and your credit card expires, your HP printer will be BRICKED until resolved. This happened to Ma. She will be getting a new Brother printer and ima go all Office Space on the HP!

@gatisfauss5400 Год назад

Sell it, allow someone for half price to experience how shit it is!

@Code7Unltd Год назад

I'd rather throw the whole printer into a window of HP's headquarters.

@qjo Год назад

These companies have been trying to outdo the level of evil for a long time. More than a decade ago I purchased a Canon printer/scanner combo for a great price. Imagine my surprise when it suddenly refused to scan documents because the printer portion ran out of ink.

@TheSimArchitect Год назад

If a manufacturer advertises clearly their printers do not come with DRM they will create a new segment of more expensives without DRM. Problem solved. The issue is nobody wants to do it because forcing you to use "copyrighted" ink is more profitable than selling you a printer at a profit. We just need to have flags for those things to filter our searches. We will always look for the cheapest but if we can select "compatible with generic ink" we'll likely have that option enabled unless the price difference is insane.

@SuperS05 Год назад

The problem is the big established guys can afford a price/feature war until they can buy you out.

@TheSimArchitect Год назад

@@SuperS05 Yes. That's probably why they didn't have DRM on their cartridges at start. You are right. We need regulation requiring an open source format for ink like we have usb for phones. That would make them break our printers every 2 years instead. Still cheaper than buying official ink.

@SuperS05 Год назад

@@TheSimArchitect they will just find ways around regulation. Regulations generally just make things unnecessary more expensive and time consuming without much if any benefit. They are too inflexible to handle greed.

@TheSimArchitect Год назад

@@SuperS05 What is your solution then?

@linsqopiring6816 Год назад

@@SuperS05 I don't see how they can find a way around let the consumer use any ink they want. Well I guess they could make it so the printer won't work unless you get constant software updates and then charge you a fortune for the software updates. But at least that would be a clear shakedown and more outrage.

@HL65536 Год назад

11:50 hits the point perfectly. I would love to spend more money, but it has to have guaranteed higher standards. People are currently comparing 2 products: 1) product from company A: guaranteed customer abuse 2) product from company B: likely customer abuse (currently not obviously visible) 10$ more expensive Why bother paying more to end up with the same?

@matthew8153 Год назад

Imagine jail breaking a printer (and it running Doom).

@thatrawk Год назад

Imagine having to hire a hacker to use your printer

@runed0s86 Год назад

@@thatrawk ... Do you hire people to jailbreak your devices? That's sad. All the tutorials are freely available and easy to follow.

@thatrawk Год назад

@@runed0s86 "freely available" bro all the tutorials on ios jailbreaks are practically all viruses and scams

@VestinVestin Год назад

@@runed0s86 Plenty of stuff is free as long as your time is worth nothing. Despite that, we live in a world filled with plumbers, electricians, and locksmiths.

@kipter Год назад

Suprised companies are getting away with this stuff. usually as soon as lawyers smell blood in the water they swarm. I would expect all these cases of companies breaking your product retroactively would be getting creamed by class actions

@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Год назад

They paid for it in September 2022 in a few different countries including the us. About $1.5 million. They agreed to be more upfront about letting customers know about the dynamic software.

@ericstoverink6579 Год назад

The lawyers are working for those companies.

@JerreMuesli Год назад

They're not getting away. They paid high fines before this new user agreement and the savvy customers will remember NEVER to buy any HP product again.

@-astrangerontheinternet6687 Год назад

@@JerreMuesli $1.5 million is a pittance. Fines are “cost of doing business”

@JerreMuesli Год назад

@@-astrangerontheinternet6687 and still, they're not "getting away with it" as customers turn their backs on your brand

@JuraIbis Год назад

Turning all the shit off on the HP Printer Setup so it stops phoning home is insane. Most people are probably just sending to HP the entire contents of their statistics. How many sheets, how often you change ink, was it with InstantInk or not, etc. Disable all that stuff ASAP!

@Myxril Год назад

HP refuses to learn from the millions upon millions upon millions it's already paid out in class action lawsuits. This is fantastic. Perfect timing, too, because my work just got a shipment of 30+ boxes of Act II Popcorn (incoming sale, I think), so I'll have plenty of fodder to munch on while watching this shitshow unfold.

@theBoomerDoomer Год назад

Interestingly... Walmart now sells reman cartridges under their Onn brand for printers that they have sold in the last 5-6 years. I have a C3630, and I got a XL black cartridge for $30... the HP one was nearly $50. It works a treat, too. I won't have the printer much longer, though... I'm planning to order one of the Epson EcoTank printers. My wife got one for sublimation prints, and it's pretty nice to just get bottles of ink that I can rinse out and toss in the recycling bin, rather than a cartridge with a "security chip" on it.

@dahobbs9 Год назад

Bet they'll work.... Or Walmart will remove HP products. The buddy system 🤬

@mrfrenzy. Год назад

There is a reason big box stores "buy back" old cartridges for "recycling" ♻️

@ryanzondervan7780 Год назад

switched to the EcoTank about five years ago and never looked back. I've used 2 now - one at my old job and one at home. The first one we bought for my office went almost two years before the ink that came with the printer finally ran out. Same with the unit we bought for home; we paid $199 on sale for it. The only downside in my opinion is that you need to clean the heads frequently, especially if your printer sits a lot between jobs. Other than that I think they are awesome

@radman999 Год назад

@@ryanzondervan7780 It's no panacea. Epson is literally the worst company to deal with and these printers are shit. I had them send me 3 warranty units, all defective. They are clueless.

@ryanzondervan7780 Год назад

@@radman999 maybe I got lucky? No issues at all with the 2 units I have used. But it wouldn't surprise me if Epson was crap (we have had one of their ink cartridge printers that was a disaster) That said when it comes to this specific issue re: DRM on ink cartridges I think the ink tank models are great vs cartridges

@myownalias Год назад

I think I picked the right time to switch away from HP; not for the DRM cartridge reason, but for the "I need color ink cartridges to print black", despite having 1/3 of a cartridge of black ink. Just two BCMY ink refill sets cost the same as this new laser printer, and I must have spent $2,000 on HP ink over a 10-year period of owning the HP printer.

@ImGumbyDangit Год назад

I won't be buying HP again. I have an Officejet all in one. Now to be able to scan from my laptop, I have to install an app that requires me to have an HP Account so they can serve me ads. I won't F#cking do it!

@tweed532DaveH Год назад

Used to use HP for over 10 yrs until stopped being able to refill their own cartridge unless it was from 3 tank changes ago. Now happy with a Brother A3 printer, scanner unit with bulk tank conversion... 🤔🤭👍🇬🇧

@dryburn Год назад

Seriously great analysis of this issue, from both your presentation of the steel man to the company’s responding to consumer demand for lowest prices. Great job. 👏 Keep it up! 😃

@brianmarshall3931 Год назад

I just returned a brand new Epson printer - because it HAS to have "Alexa" in order to function. I will not tolerate any device under my roof that communicates with the outside world or could be used to monitor my conversations... I value my data AND my privacy. (Plus I refuse to pay for another gadget that is NOT necessary)

@sam19953 Год назад

It would be nice if there was a website/database which would list all the brands known, sort them for type and mention all the anti-consumer things they did. That would help a lot in the choice for things that are all the same like soundbars, printers, TVs and lately android smartphones

@ichikurogane Год назад

Absolutely agree. A website kinda like Rtings, it could build up bit by bit with different products, starting with printers, then TVs, etc.

@doltBmB Год назад

It existed, it was called Good, Cheap, Fast It was shut down very aggressively by a conspiracy of anticonsumer cartels

@linsqopiring6816 Год назад

I think if you google printer reviews you can get lots of videos and articles about this type of information. But those tend to be people bought and paid for by the companies with bribes. Yes a comprehensive and truly independent one would be nice.

@sam19953 Год назад

@@linsqopiring6816 You find two results like that: biased reviews from the same 5 websites or some random guy that reviews the printer just because he bought it

@sam19953 Год назад

@@ichikurogane My Idea was more like "Brand X produces: printers, monitors and headphones" "Brand X did this good things and did this bad things (with sources)" Without going into the detail of the specific product itself, sometimes the choice boils down to just the brand itself.

@darknessblades Год назад

Louis this happened multiple times in the past decade, HP tries to pull this crap every 2 years, say they are sorry, pay a fine, and reverse the update. only for them to do it later again.

@robster7787 Год назад

The best part is that it’s dynamic security… on consumer grade printers. I’m pretty sure I don’t need dynamic security on the essay for my highschool class that I printed out.

@Jasy1988gr Год назад

story time. i used to work at a place that received HP printers and repaired them. Once we had this customer that after contacting us about an issue with the printer , he brought it to us for a repair. We could not repair the said printer and we replaced within warranty with a slightly newer model. Thing is this customer used to purchase Toner with 12 € and do on average 9000-12000 pages per "illegal" toner. But the new one at that moment of time , did not have a wide spread "illegal" toner in the market ,so the customer asked us. So i will have to pay 60 € per 5000 pages of print? When we said yes, he literally brought back the new printer and requested the old broken back to get it repaired somewhere else 🤣

@thomass2451 Год назад

Can't blame him.

@daveg5088 Год назад

I think it was also HP that was "protecting" me from from the insecurity of expired OEM cartridges. I can't remember cause I brought it back to the store and said I was doing a return because of the 'security measure' but wasn't interested in getting an actual refund and left (the poor sales person was so confused). Also, your story about pricing reminded me of one time being in Target and seeing a 2-pack of Febreeze laundry tablets for $7.99 but the single pack was $2.99 and watching multiple people grab the 2 pack blindly assuming it was cheaper when getting 2 singles.

@mammutMK2 Год назад

And then two weeks later the single pack costs 4.99 and everyone is happy they got the great deal. In the end the company only checks how far they can go. But often with normal goods as well, when they go on sale you can guess it will have a price increase. It our own fault, we go to the cheapest and not the best we fall for sale stickers even when the price didn't change, fall for "big packs" and bundles, because we are not comparing and thinking

@carroyo911 Год назад

I am so glad that for the last 6 years, I have been pressing "no" to any "upgrades" on my HP printer... I am an old IT hand, and I never trusted "upgrades."... If it aint broke, don't fix it...

@MizGizma Год назад

The disappearing Oreo trick was amazing! As a side note ... there is a reason I never do an update without looking into it first ... and my printer is ciss.

@Dryloch Год назад

I recently bought an Epson Ecotank printer from Costco. It comes with ink bottles that you dump into a large reservoir on the printer itself. The process is foolproof as far as not spilling ink when you do this. They give you a lot of ink too...not a starter amount. The price for a set of ink bottles is already less than cartridges despite holding a lot more ink. It is also not possible for Epson to know what ink you are dumping in so you can save even more buying the compatible bottles. This is how we fight back and support the companies doing the right thing.

@bayesianXYZ Год назад

Law should state that the 30-day or whatever return along with warranty should reset with every update.

@evensgrey Год назад

The strange thing is HP already knows they can't win any law suits about defeating this because this has already been litigated and ink cartridge DRM was ruled to not be enforceable in the required manner to prevent the sale of 3rd party cartridges that defeat this.

@jasonriddell Год назад

the H/P response did state a "rebuilt" cartridge with the ORIGINAL chip WILL WORK to me that is INTERESTING and makes be believe they DO NOT expect to prevent" cloning / refilling BUT are using encryption / serialization that is (likely) hard to crack I know Nintendo LOST the trademark to Nintendo due trying to use it as a "DRM" for the gameboy and found out they can NOT use trademarks for "functional" uses

@evensgrey Год назад

@@jasonriddell It won't be all that hard to crack. It's running in a very cheap and very low power chip in the cartridge. Both of those things go against any genuinely hard to crack encryption. Now, if there's a separate patent on it, then there's a problem.

@jdrissel Год назад

"He was not 'shot in the head'. He violated dynamic security!"

@mmedefarge Год назад

I've had feral cats who were shown the ropes of feline cleanliness by my older cats. They were dirty sods until they were given that home training by another feline. I once had an HP printer that would turn itself on in the middle of the night and print out HP advertisements. Very creepy.

@indeepjable Год назад

things like this make me genuinely feel like corporations are going to make their organs or 'cyberware' exclusively work if one person *exclusively* has one brands products, otherwise it causes organ failure for """""incompatability"""""

@horroRomantic444 Год назад

I am currently using HP Laser Jet 4L from mid 90s that I got second hand in the early 2000s for less than $50. There's no reason for me to upgrade and still works really well with aftermarket toners.

@danielpicassomunoz2752 Год назад

I have a laserjet 1200 from the same era and still going. Have to use win XP to print stuff but anyway.

@runed0s86 Год назад

@@danielpicassomunoz2752 Switch to Linux mint for at least one of your computers, and then share the printer to the local network. Linux will set up your printer automatically. It's no longer 2013. Linux is actually a good choice for most people nowadays!

@Tjalve70 Год назад

I use an HP LaserJet 4100n. I have no idea how old it is, but I got it for free about 10 years ago. My only problem with it is that I can't seem to get updated drivers for it. And so sometimes the print is messed up. I can't seem to print spaces from my Excel sheets, for example. And I get frequent paper jams. That's also annoying.

@horroRomantic444 Год назад

@@Tjalve70 Try to look for Laser Jet 400 M401. It prints excel correctly and you can still use 3rd party toners. Also, it is relatively new that allows you to print over wifi.

@syko2164 Год назад

Louis, if you *JUST* bought hp ink for 4x the cost there wouldn't be a problem. HP *JUST* wants to make sure standard black printing comes out correct. *JUST* don't worry about corporate overlords trying to turn you into a serf. You will own nothing and *JUST* be happy, enough.

@fdfd4739 Год назад

I bought a Brother laserjet like 2 years ago because I was fed up with our lemon of a Cannon Inkjet and I didn't want to travel to print something. A little over $250 and I still use it regularly. It came with a "starter" half-capacity cartridge, and it's still going, rated at 3500 pages. I bought a spare for when that one runs out, but now I'm almost worried about how long it'll take me! The software is meh, but actually works too. Given the direction newer printers are going, I think I'm sticking to it.

@maxpayne2323 Год назад

They used to make good laser printers. I still own and use almost 18-year-old laserjet... But now... this is outrageous!

@simonupton-millard Год назад

Same here but don't think HP of 2023 is the same as HP 2005

@switchp8286 Год назад

@@simonupton-millard They sell products that have been declining in use and popularity since then. I'm not saying HP is right to do what they do, but most people don't buy printers, laptops, or desktops anymore. It makes sense that their products would get worse.

@makuru.42 Год назад

Fun fact, breaking functionality breaks warranty in Germany.

@em0_tion Год назад

Cool, they can still get you right after the warranty period, but cool - way better than zero consumer protection! 🙏

@treelineresearch3387 Год назад

Eventually you buy enough "high quality" brand name stuff to realize that often it sucks just as much as the "sort by cheapest" option, and the cheapest option may actually be a better value/more open/etc. It's not just a matter of consumers being cheapskates, there's a lot of universal law of suck involved. Why buy brand name when it's the same Chinesium crap marked up 100%.

@_ChadM Год назад

Dynamically securing their profits. Makes choosing a printer a whole lot easier

@JGARCIA2012FULL Год назад

My HP810C broke down before the first set of cartridges was used in 1999-2000, and I lost two more sets of cartridges with it. There was no eBay back then. HP has always made its money this way, but now that it won't even let you use your own printer, that's a gun to your head!!

@theredscourge Год назад

Benjamin Franklin to the people who asked what type of government they had produced for them: "A republic, if you can keep it" In other words, people get the government they deserve. The same us true with corporate governance, and also with the practices used by the people who sell us things.

@3nertia Год назад

What would it take to make an open source printer - similar to 3D printer firmware or RC controllers, etc.?

@gblargg Год назад

Remember, DRM stands for Digital RESTRICTIONS Management.

@em0_tion Год назад

That's a good one. 😁👏

@madnar9 Год назад

At this point it's a disposable, one-time use printer!

@R.Tafolla Год назад

Imagine there are two companies. One that sells you shoes that last for 5 years for $150. One that sells you shoes that last for 1 year for $50. Even though in the long run you will save money buying the $150 shoe that won’t need to be replaced as often, in our short sighted greed we will still opt to go for the cheapest shoe option.

@TuiCatNZ Год назад

I remember when people used to refill inkjet cartridges with bog standard Indian ink!! And they still worked fine. Granted these were quite low resolution 1st or 2nd generation inkjets, and they did smudge if not left long enough to dry. But it was the users choice.

@marcusjames6425 Год назад

Another publicly traded company demonstrating that shareholders come before customers.

@TheRedrider05 Год назад

Your lack of a filter is absolutely spot on and welcomed LOL

@mastersingleton Год назад

That is why I buy, use and support companies that allows you to actually own their products and use third party accessories on their products along with allowing you to repair their products.

@skia5635 Год назад

Stallman was right all along.

@tweed532 Год назад

Having just watched Curious Marc repairing his HP Nixie Frequency Counter with the HP supplied manual, inches thick with pull out circuit diagrams and component listings, per board, just shows how times have changed for the worse..

@M-Batman Год назад

2:33 Oreo photo bombing Mr Rossmann:)

@mkyprm Год назад

My dad once bought an hp printer while on sale without asking. With all the cartridges he had to toss half empty because the printer stopped working he would have bought a brother laser printer. And he did. Almost a decade later still going strong

@bluephreakr Год назад

Legit surprised there isn't already a GPIO HAT for SBCs which allow attaching a genuine printer cartridge and resetting the ink level on it once it reports empty. Could run on Python, could use Adafruit's USB GPIO aadapter as a cheaper alternative to using a dedicated computer.

@jacksong6226 Год назад

Be the change you want to see in the world

@bluephreakr Год назад

@@jacksong6226 That would require money and expertise I lack. Somebody else can do that. The idea is there.

@jasonriddell Год назад

remember something like that for Brother??? printers to "regreen" the chip when the ink refiller kiosk would refill them and you NEEDED 2 or 3 as the printer "remembered" the previous cartridges S/N this is 15 years ago at least

@TheLefty5o2 Год назад

Using the car example, it feels worse than just a radio station. Like you're changing your oil with whatever brand you like, but then your car gets 'updated' and now you can only use that manufacturer's oil otherwise your car won't start.

@Pesthuf Год назад

I'd really like to know how many printers break because they use the evil, evil third party cartridges vs. how many break because the manufacturer's planned obsolescence chip said "This customer got enough value out of this printer, let's show some random error code and make him unable to print. Oh, and before that, let's make him think he can fix it by buying a new ink cartridge. That then won't work with his new printer when he gives up and buys one. I love protecting the customer from the security risk of third party cartridges!".

@jasonriddell Год назад

dont even need "logic" just make the print head susceptible to clogging and OR leaking once a NON replaceable O ring / seal drys out

@ddlar56 Год назад

I stopped buying HP printers about 10 years ago. The main reason for this is how bad the HP drivers are. I've found other printers just work better due to better drivers. Now I have a second reason to avoid HP printers.

@Koda-Kitikawa Год назад

Id like to reccomend the ecotank printer at costco. You refill the tanks with bottles of ink you pour in instead of cartridges. I dont have one myself yet but seems like the best substitute

@donamills Год назад

I just got and Epson ecotank from Costco. And yes, you can put whatever ink you want in it. None of that DRM garbage.

@t0raneko Год назад

@@donamills ...yet

@switchp8286 Год назад

I wouldn't trust Epson personally, but if it works it works. I got tired of my dad asking to fix his printer all the time (which turned into me setting up a new printer every time he bought a new one) so I just got some brother laser printer, haven't had a problem since. Of course, it was double the cost of the cheap printers.

@22Hobbies Год назад

@@donamills If I recall correctly, there's a built-in sponge that cleans the printheads. After a while you would be forced to mail your whole printer in for maintenance to have a simple sponge cleaned/replaced..I would look further into your model in case you might want to try and return it

@jasonriddell Год назад

I have heard of issues with the ECOTANK series with the MAT in the rear where the ink from nozzle cleaning goes is NON serviceable and fills up quickly

@cammiluna Год назад

Dell already did this at least five years ago. When I worked in New York, we purchased a black and white Dell laser printer that often rejected aftermarket cartridges. And we ended up getting new printers a few times because support wouldn't fix the broken ones, claiming we used aftermarket inks and they blamed that for the breakdowns even if ink has nothing do do with it. I've worked with Brother, HP, and Dell while i was there. I need a new printer now for my freelance art business and I don't even know what brand I can rely on now...

@marconiandcheese7258 Год назад

Brother lasers are the way to go. Also work great with linux

@Apemania69 Год назад

yea mine works since 6years now with the original toner. laser brother is the way to go even the phoneapp is stupid but at least let me work with it

@Autechltd Год назад

what a bro

@arnox4554 Год назад

I keep hearing this more and more. Will definitely keep an eye out for them.

@ATGEnki Год назад

Amen. Mine came with a toner cartridge good for ~1k prints too; got it working without issue/hassle on both Linux and Windows.

@arnox4554 Год назад

@@ATGEnki I think one of my relatives has one and they say it works pretty good too.

@kurkhulcomb8994 Год назад

On the rare occasion I need to print something, I buy the printer, print what I need, and return it the next day. Scam the scammers

@kjohns1413 Год назад

Thankfully it’s secure 😊

@em0_tion Год назад

Let's dynamically avoid them. ☝😆

@murray5566 Год назад

Never update a printer. Ever. That's how they break.

@rossmanngroup Год назад

Mr. Kinsella's book, a good read! amzn.to/42bBRL2

@shekharmoona544 Год назад

Picture driving your car and putting any gas you want in it then one day your cars says it will not operate without Shell gasoline products because using Chevron is not part of the safety and security feature.

@bonbonpony Год назад

Big thumbs up for Stephen Kinsella! His observations about the "intellectual property" rights undermining physical property rights are spot on. I'd like to add one more book to this list though: Lawrence Lessig's "Free Culture". It's a short history of copyright laws and related laws, their evolution, and how they impact culture and our everyday lives. It's also very prophetic. Oh, and Richard Stallman's little sci-fi story "Right to Read" (should be somewhere on his website).

@raylopez99 Год назад

@5:30 Louis makes a boo-boo, quoting Kinsella, that after-market repair is a patent infringement. In fact, it's not, it's well established that if you bought (rather than leased) a good, you are not infringing any patent if you repair your patented device, such as putting in your own non-proprietary ink cartridge. The way companies try and get away from this is to say it's not patent law but contract law that governs, and you'll void your warranty if you do after-market repairs.

@coolsunsgoldenclassics Год назад

I know it's going to be hard at first but don't promote The Zon. A quick look into what they do for fun will help quite a bit.

@coolsunsgoldenclassics Год назад

Also I knocked out a Spam bot just now something about text me with two Xes whatever that means.

@Inventors_Toolbox Год назад

I think the more appropriate analogy is not the car radio preset but causing you car to not start if you put non hp brand gas in the tank.

@jurisjancevskis9076 Год назад

I hate this anticonsumerism from hp and other companies

@jurisjancevskis9076 Год назад

This is the first top-level comment

@jurisjancevskis9076 Год назад

@Louis Rossmann can you see me

@genesises Год назад

@@jurisjancevskis9076 you try too hard

@jurisjancevskis9076 Год назад

@@genesises ???

@genesises Год назад

@@jurisjancevskis9076 u need to stop it

@ablebaker8664 Год назад

Their choke point is sales. Perhaps it's time to persuade retailers that selling HP isn't in their interests.

@lanmarknetworking3034 Год назад

Ive worked in IT for 30 years... JUST SAY NO TO HP!!!

@robster7787 Год назад

The best printer I’ve ever owned was a brother printer that I got from goodwill. No gimmicks, not even WiFi. It’s literally just a laser printer.

@jasondrummond9451 Год назад

I 'archived' my working HP printer to buy a Cannon with refillable tanks. The Cannon was 'considerably' more expensive but the luxury, of 'not' running out of magenta in the middle of a desperate 2 am print run, made it worth it.

@iankester-haney3315 Год назад

The stupid part is Lexmark lost when they sued for DMCA violations on a manufacturer reverse engineering their chip. At least in 1 federal district Court you could win that argument. Companies keep thinking DMCA saves them. But courts routinely side with the Consumer once these cases are filed. Case law doesn't let them block normal functionality of a product this way.

@f4u5t00 Год назад

Richard Stallman's GNU project started with him being "denied access to the source code for the software of a newly installed laser printer, the Xerox 9700."

@drewt1717 Год назад

When it comes to buying things, there are two opposite approaches I dislike equally: 1. Buying the cheapest priced item without regard for value. 2. Buying the most expensive thing without regard for value.

@samthered4862 Год назад

Had an older HP, now I have a Brother. An extra 100$ once is well worth it.

@jeremiahbullfrog9288 Год назад

You should absolutely be able to put radium ink into your printer.

@zaz6463 Год назад

Had a Canon printer years ago that snuck in a firmware update right after I bought it; and afterwards it decided my ink was illegitimate/unsupported. The ink was Canon-labelled and had came in the original box. I tried taking it out and re-seating it. I called customer service, and after talking with someone about printer ink for 10 minutes; I had exhausted all the time this was worth. I returned the printer; and will never buy a Canon printing product again. I guess HP can be added to that list now as well... Going to run out of options if this continues.

@A2Wx8 Год назад

On their laser side they make completely superfluous BS model changes every year solely for the purpose of requiring a new cartridge to keep ahead of the refill/refurb cartridge market.

@jessicav2031 Год назад

When every Ebay seller is selling the exact same product, drop shipped from the exact same warehouse, why the heck should I *not* just sort by lowest price? But when it comes to choosing products, I absolutely am willing to pay more for quality. Perhaps some of the problem is the platforms for drawing the equivalence between every widget, but these days you don't get what you pay for most of the time, you just get the same relabeled junk at a higher price. The consumer has been trained by this. And by the way, the same applies to service. Tons of companies promise all that great service and then design a Kafkaesque system to wear you down when you try to use it. So why pay attention to such promises? We are happy to pay for quality, but we have been scammed so many times we don't believe it.

@kaieden Год назад

I had a really good Epson photo printer about 15 years ago. Never used reman or 3rd party cartridges. After 3-4 months I changed my first ink & got an error warning that I can’t use non-genuine cartridges & refused to print. After fiddling a bit I got it to work, but It happened again & again whenever I would turn it on. I had a bunch of spare cartridges already (photographer) and these didn’t work either. Maybe they were fake I thought, so I ordered some direct from Epson - and even these were ‘non-genuine’ so I wasn’t allowed to print. This was supposed to be higher quality expensive ink, only sold in packs of 6, so by the time I gave up I must have spent more on wasted ink cartridges than I had on the printer. I never have & never will buy an Epson product again. Companies like this don’t deserve business from anybody 😡

@xpyr Год назад

This really shouldn't be allowed by law. There is a part of anti monopoly law that says you cannot tie 2 separate products together. Such as requiring you only buy socks from the same company that made your shoes. It's known as tying the sale of two products. The government should be enforcing this law against HP and all other printer companies that do this.

@mdquaglia Год назад

When I evaluate printers, I calculate cost per (printed) page using OEM ink. That way, I don't get hosed.

@mreinecker Год назад

This is so true. I really have shifted my buying habits to what you’re talking about. Amazon is so full of crap today that I really don’t care about the price as much anymore. Even reviews - I know those are all BS too. I’m looking for the company that seems to be the most honest, helpful, etc. So even if something costs a little more, I feel better buying it. I’m so sick of junk.