traditional media outlets are catching onto the "you own nothing" culture shift 

Buy a b/w laserprinter, use 3rd party cartridges and just don’t print color.

Printing color is overrated. Cheap printer: amzn.to/3X7cYN3 Cheap pack of replacement ink: amzn.to/3l65WL7 It never jams, you can scan relevant mail that you need to send to your lawyer/accountant quickly, you can print out whatever you need to print. Whether a shipping label, a contract, a tax form, etc. It's beautiful. When do you honestly need to print color? Are you really printing photos in your home? Book covers? Fancy posters? Fancy greeting cards? Be honest, you never do that. It just sounds cool to be *ABLE* to do that and then you get stuck with a shitty inkjet printer you spend $40 to refill that runs out after a few hundred pages, jams, has ink issues, etc... fuck all that. Of every person I know that has a color inkjet in their house, 0 of them have photos on their wall that they printed out from their inkjet. and every one of them fucking hates their printer. Black & white laser printer with a scanner that never jams or screws up or errors out will make your life amazing. If you buy that with a set of toner, & you're not running a business I damn near guarantee it'll last a lifetime.

@@rossmanngroup thanks! Not only are you a voice for change but you give us links for the change.

What HP doesnt tell you is that the new printers comes with like 50 pages worth of ink (probably 200 pages worth but software locked) i own a older brothers printer and buy third party ink that lasts 2500 pages. Screw HP!

@@rossmanngroup I have almost that exact same model just without the automatic feeding scanner, and it's been working flawlessly for years. Well, I've had connection issues, but even those have been much better than any other printer I've owned in the past.

Literally LMFAO

I have seriously looked for a low end laser engraver with the idea that i could use it to engrave(print) text on paper without any kind of ink/toner. Not really found one that fits the bill yet.

Just 3d print paper

Because the idea and backend/fw is open sourced. 3DPs just caught on at the right shift. Even then companies like makerbots hold a crapload of patents so you're stuck with more or less the same fdm formats unless they give up on patents (fat chance) or some chinese company middlefingers them

Honestly just get a laser cutter for wood or metal and write everything on boards of wood or sheet aluminum

Yeah, RS232 works great.

always buy secondhand old printers because if they kept up until that point its gonna double

Unfortunately, the same story may be true of our cars in the very near future. Upcoming mandates in the USA will require all new vehicles to allow full remote control and monitoring of the vehicle and driver telemetry data (e.g., interior cameras, drunk/impaired driver detection, remote kill switch, etc). I like my old, beat-up 2001 Ford F150 more and more every day... no telemetry or 5G in that old pig! 🤣👍

@@QuasiMotard By 2030, the production of new gas cars will be banned in the EU. We will all have to drive surveillance devices on wheels, it's awesome.

@@QuasiMotard can't happen. Too many other laws they'll have to attempt to overcome and not to mention it'll be challenged immediately.

This is why every single thing I own is from the 80s or older. I'll keep my dot matrix printer and repair it as needed

I don't mind the monthly payments for phones when you can get good deals. In my case, we got the """""free""""" phones from tmobile with a plan we were going to pay for anyway. In most cases I would still prefer to own, but I care so little about my phone that if it's """""free""""" I can livw with not owning it for 2 years

@@threemar3 once these phones are paid off are you able to use them with other carriers (at&t, verizon, tracfone, ect.)? Because in my experience these "deals" are VERY restrictive to keep you a paying customer. I spent a TON of money for my iphone so i could use any carrier. I will take care of this as if the phone was my child.

Apple is trash lmao

People who sell phones usually work purely on commission, and commission is only paid on contracts. Outright purchases don't pay them anything.

Don't do business with Apple ew

DVDs, blu-rays and CD's are great because you don't have to pay a monthly subscription and they can't alter the media whenever they want.

Absolutely agree with this thread. I'm for the "retro" or old-school tech platforms because there's too many companies trying this ish and offering few alternatives. I download music, then put copies on hard drives and media separate from my computer to ensure I can listen to it whenever. The same with buying discs instead of only streaming. And speaking of Corey Doctorow, Why is everything in our future becoming so dystopian? Maybe because the people coming into the workplace as leaders aren't readers in the way people used to be? Or is it just a natural outcome of misshapen capitalism and the bad way we consumers don't understand how it actually works?

​​@@keithmarlowe5569lease revisit this comment in five years. Also how are you going to have no apps installed on your phone when your phone already comes with preinstalled apps selected by your carrier?

​@@LA_HAthe masses are too distracted with social media and technology that everything goes right through their brain

@@Ammut6 Truth bomb dropped

Working at Petsmart over a decade ago I was told we sell the animals at a loss but keep them because they attract sales for the overpriced supplies and accessories.

"Give them the razor, sell them the blades"

Just like how Microsoft and Sony sell software, not consoles

Honestly, thinking about this, it looks like this could be the next big tech thing that the EU could regulate in favour of customers. Just like they forced Apple to use the same chargers as other phones.

@@shadymedic The EU can't do shit and can go fuck itself as well

Not gonna lie - that seem scarily dystopian for me. Thanks for sharing with the experience

For now might be ok, just wait till they massage you that you printed 1000 pages please pays us a subscription for that privilage of continuing to print before we brick the printer for you😂it is like a ransom computer virus😂

​@@mynamemylastname7179Don't update the software then. There's no need to do that anyway.

@@verifeli you get no choice in that either because it updates itself or just like windows forced updates or it doesn't work.

@@mynamemylastname7179 You do have a choice. I have got a similar brother printer, which also uses those refill bottles. and it always asks me to update, and I do it the same way I do with windows: Ignore and cut it off.

@@susangoaway for now yes you can do that but soon if you won't be able to do that. If you don't connect to the internet you won't be able to print. Microsoft has already tried and has a few products already like that if you don't connect, it don't work, not sure if they enforce or not but soon it will be all of them and fully enforced.

Sigh. All printers since the stone age count the number of pages. And there isn't a chip doing just that. It's part of the larger chip that controls all functions of the printer. You can't just remove it. There are service tools available to override the full waste tank signal, though.

@@frequentlycynical642 "sigh"

@@frequentlycynical642 - Your half truths get you in trouble. Planned obsolescence is real. Rather than "removing the chip" which the average person thinks, there is often a mod for the printer that resets to 0 after X pages to avoid the built in lock out. I live in Lima, Peru and there is a whole industry of cracking/hacking all of this planned obsolescence horse shit in devices. There are well known locations where you are suggested to buy printers instead of in stores because they have been cracked and modified to use piped in externally mounted tanks of ink rather than the little cartridges. When your printer needs real maintenance, they are quick and efficient. The right to repair is a big deal.

@@captain_malaria Typing sigh unironically is the digital equivalent of taping a "kick me" sign on your own back lmao

@@frequentlycynical642 I'd love to be interested in your comment, but typing sigh makes me ignore whatever you said after that.

I serviced printers for almost 4 years and it’s annoying almost all makes of printers and copiers uses cheap plastic gears made from the same plastic as Walmarts great value plastic utensils to operate the printer. Not to mention the gears are also unsecured so if you take it out wrong you got plastic gears all over the place. I should have went to either electrician, plumber, or HVAC instead at least they’re secure jobs lol.

That's good job security.

@@artimus7525 are there some brands that are exceptions (in a good way)?

@@fabiz8602 not really... pretty much all of em are designed by people who graduated from the same school of thought, and again, it's because buyers almost exclusively choose the lowest price item (and not the best value item). And of course this is because the people who control the purchasing funds will almost exclusively fire anyone who spends more than the absolute minimum up front entry cost for any expensive purchase (while simultaneously approving ungodly expensive event budgets for no good reason 😆).

@Louis_Rossmann bot detected, GET 'IM BOYS

I've been considering buying a 90's economy car because they are easier to repair and the car won't be bricked if the company goes under or an update fails (unlike a Tesla). I hate anything "smart". Why would you EVER need a wifi-enabled light bulb or fridge?

@@Nexalian_Gamer hell, now they've come out with Smart Service panels. Thats the breaker panel for your house or buisness electric service connect. So it wasnt enough that they scammed people to buy into the Smart Thermostat, now they want you to purchase this piece of equipment that will likely give access to EVERY SINGLE one of the circuits in your place. Guaranteed theyll say its "for your convenience" and that in no way should you be skeptical about them having access and possible control over your consumption of energy cause thats just "conspiracy theorist paranoia"

Support any company that tries to get into the industry without screwing its customers. Most the time I hear someone complain, you ask why don't they just buy another brand and they will argue - "Cause I like HP Printers" for example. During Louis video on John Deer, the farmer complaining said the exact same thing. You are TELLING those companies, "I support your choices." *Vote with your dollar* as it is the only thing that I believe will actually make a difference. Similar or even better quality can be made by others, but it might take time, support them so they can accomplish that task faster.

The author signed up for an optional pay-per-page “Instant Ink” service then didn’t pay the bill. He had the choice to buy cartridges at the store like anyone else, but didn’t.

@@whoisntwhoisit2126 abso-phuqin-lutely! Agree 💯

@@wanderer397 I remember a time when new things like power windows and cruise control would go from fancy to default as improvements in technology and resources made it easier to. Now, that's sadly not the case anymore, even on stuff that's installed anyway.

@@InfernosReaper I find it funny that my dad's base model 2014 Kia Soul has auto up/down front windows, but the top trim of some similar year Honda or Toyotas only have the driver's window full auto.

A subscription for heated seats?????? LOLOL that's outrageous.

yes and enabling/disabling built in features with their software, and years down the road still have control over your product.

@@pauls5745 disgusting

the scary part is that this is really prevalent in electric cars now as well and it's just invading other things.

@@ghosthunter0950 You can usually rip that stuff out by disconnecting the antenna.

The printers were the “Guinea pigs” of this whole movement

@@brainwashingdetergent4322 Fuck. We've been focused on big pharma and big govt....Big Printer have been pulling the strings from the shadows for decades now...

@@Smokkedandslammed I know! Those sneaky bastards!

Access over ownership.

im still using youtube vanced. 👍

My least favorite thing about digital media is how the producer or artist will decide "yeah, no, I don't like that intro/solo/background vocal etc." and then replaces it. "Oh sorry, did you want to hear the same exact recording you've loved for years and years? GFY 🙃"

This. I have all my music locally.

I'm okay with having increased access at the cost of true ownership when it comes to certain things. I will gladly pay for music streaming services because it is beyond annoying to carry a library of 2000 FLAC and WAV files around on your mobile device, especially when most phones don't even have expandable storage slots anymore to add enough storage to keep your photos, videos, and absurdly large music library locally. Not to mention, if a friend or someone I talk to recommends I check out a song, I don't have to wonder if the 30 second preview from the iTunes days is a true representation of the song before I purchase and own it in full. For something like video games, however, I will never use something like Xbox game pass or the other similar services. You spend way more time and money on a video game so it's more important for that to be a proper purchase and not a lease imo.

Very based

HP: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Sure.... but what % of general population knows what "use static IP in the printer" means ?

@@cthulpiss I mean... If you don't know how to do it, you won't be able to do it so... If you don't understand the explanation it's probably not for you anyway unless you're willing to Google it and educate yourself...

@@steelfalconx2000 So, rather concede the impracticality of your solution for the vast majority of people, you opted to reply like a smug prick?

@@InfernosReaper just like anything else in life, if you don't understand a solution you won't be able to implement it. If you don't know how to solder you can't fix a motherboard. If you don't know how to milk a cow you can't get milk. This is a fact of life, pointing it out doesn't make me a smug prick. If anyone would like to try it they can look it up and spend 10 minutes of their life learning about the most basic skill in networking you can have. If they don't want to learn it, that's fine. But then this fix is not for them, it's simple.

Just replying because of the XCOM reference

the price reflects that, it's essentially a subscription fee disguised as a final price and they more likely than not wouldn't break even at those prices I still use my Brother laser printer I bought in ~2002 and it wasn't very expensive back then, they still make compatible cartridges and other than not having wifi which is a minor inconvenience its features are still overkill to me if I buy another printer it will be a Brother laser printer, bless those industrious honest japs still existing out there

To be clear I still think the entire _"klaus schwab saying you will own nothing and be happy"_ thing as if he is the one behind it all is bullshit. Yeah he might've said it but this shit started LONG before he opened his mouth. I think it is hundreds of companies realizing that getting you on a recurring revenue bundle(the rundll) where you are perpetually paying for shit forever rather than buying it and being done, is more profitable. Companies immediately begin trading at a higher P/E when they implement a recurring revenue bundle. I strongly disagree with the idea that there is one dude or five dudes at the top in a smoky room pulling the strings of everyone to do this. It's just something that gradually came to be as a) people decided convenience was more important than ownership b) people accepted recurring revenue bundle stuff c) companies made more money doing it so d) more companies started doing it If your competitor starts making 3x as much profit and trades at 5x higher market cap, do you need some WEF person to tell you to implement subscriptions/DRM/etc to get you to do it to make more money? Or do you just do it because someone else started doing it and it WORKED? This can all happen, and all suck, without it being a conspiracy, or a centralized effort by a small number of people. He noticed a trend; one that, by the sound of the comments in my last video, a lot of people are actually IN FAVOR OF! How many people commented that they aren't allowed to install applications onto their $1500 computer, AND ARE HAPPY? It boggles the mind. but it's the direction we're going in, and a direction enough of us are happy with that it's not going to stop. It makes me fucking sad, but it's the truth. when you can't make money by innovating, you have to figure out a way to make it somehow. whether it's cost cutting in the supply chain to the point that having a real repair network is impossible, making shit only work with your products, getting people to pay monthly for stuff they used to just buy, etc.

Stop posting and eat your bug burger...

@@rossmanngroup so I’m assuming you didn’t watch a single WEF conference did you? Lol where you think all these companies got the idea from? you are only half right Louis. I also agree it isn’t just Klaus but this whole movement is definitely centralized. Do more research into WEF and davos, Youl be horrified.

@@rossmanngroup If the entire economy starts running like a mobile game, you can count me out

@@middleway1704 he didn't , also looks like the WEF yt channel finally turned comments off - i guess they got tired of their sh-t being shoved in all the time.

I had a hp printer and it was more the time i was trouble shooting to print my docs waisting ink printing test pages to print perfectly so i gave up and brought a lazer printer and im happy now!

No, you should complain. Your friend/family member tried to get you something and got scammed in the process.

I agree, the problem is if they ALL do the same and one end without options...

Unfortunately it's because of idiots in numbers lining up with their wallets out each year that we keep getting shat on my corporations.

Cool, but photos hop dilemma

That is why I have bunny ears for my tv. And read online webnovels instead of watching anime. I get the same thing and some have comics which can be read for free compared to paying 15 a month to see the same thing but animated.

@@likeablecloud2454 There are many many other free options.

Brother is tight, they make awesome sewing machines and if the quality of their printers is as good as their sewing/embroidery machines there's no doubt it'd be worth getting a brother machine at some point

I have one- highly Recommend. 3rd party ink available for cheap. Almost 15 years and going strong.

@@fishcandy3188 you would recommend it over any HP printers? Looking to replace our family printer soon

I'm looking in to getting a canon tank printer so you don't have ink cart drm. And it's one of the latest ones that lets you replace the ink waste pad and printer heads. Why do I need color? Photographer. There was a time I only needed black and white for documents, but now I would really like to start printing my own pictures.

@@mr.fantastic7756 i would say make sure you look into it and do your own digging into whether it would be worthwhile to you but, for me it seems pretty solid if they can make really well built and functioning embroidery machines.

@@wanderer397 check this vids pinned comment

wtf is instant ink?

@@JoRoBoYo HP's ink subscription 'service'.

@@JoRoBoYo watch the video

Women in tech. Don't give a stuff about customer service.

Wtf? What was the rationale for that? In EU that would literally be illegal

@@pierrex3226 But in the EU, a migrant r*ping an underage girl is totally legal (so long as that girl is white). With that being said, you don't really have a high horse to ride around on.

Errrr, i had a similar issue with the “inkpad full” message. (Full disclosure, this may have been because i used more leaky non-Brother cartridges). Anyway, a quick google allowed me to reset the max page count for a quick fix. Later, another quick google allowed me to replace the ink pad. I still stand by Brother!!

@@pierrex3226 IT IS ILLEGAL in the EU

More likely that the 5000 page limit was the drum unit in the printer, not the printer itself. These are consumables, and wear out. Most laser based units either build it into the toner cartridge (shorter lifespan, but more expensive toner cart) or have a 2 component system (cheaper toner, + a drum that needs changed every so often) I've alsu used Brother printers and mine was certainly a 2 component toner + drum setup. The drums are what the laser charges and discharges to move toner to the paper, and these have a finite life. They "can" unlock the life, but then people will moan when print quality drops and they get streaks across their prints because a drum they are not wanting to change is wornout. It's a balance game, do you set a limit and keep quality on prints, or let people run components way past their lifecycle who then moan that the printer ir crap because they have not replaced a simple consumable.

I have an HP inkjet given to me in 2017 and every few weeks it's been prompting me for an update, which I refuse to do because, like you, it might break something...

@@carroyo911 meanwhile because you don't want them to basically steal features out of your existing printer, you're left out of date on security patches, too, which if you have a network printer makes it attractive for botnet purposes. Ya can't win. I say we go back to non-networked printers and just use Raspberry Pi Zeros as print servers for them. Should obviate driver-related insanity, too.

"Smart" shit is a scam.

@@burhanbudak6041 Spot on. The so-called "smart meters" of energy suppliers are indeed smart: for THEM!!

@@Poldovico if you got a firewall between your LAN and the WAN a botnet can do squat.

Man if it isn't already, that costing somebody their scholarship should be suable lol

@@domino6490 Except the guy that lost their scholarship because of shit printer business practices don't have the money to sue a big corp.

@@tylerbreau4544 Good point there

That is why I use a laser printer, no colour but never runs outs and no fees

I bought a pre owned laser printer about 5 years ago when I had to print out some books required at university. It came without toner so I bought a no name one of Amazon that was rated for 10.000 pages for 20€. Printed about 12.000 pages with this toner so far. No regrets. Saved me hundreds of euros.

I paid about as much for a new full colour Canon printer/ scanner on sale and it's been an absolute rock for me. I think if I could go back in time I would get a laser printer, I'm not a frequent printer user, I actually use the scanner more but I still don't regret the purchase. I use the wired connection option and haven't had any major problems. My dad on the other hand bought an HP printer and he usually has to call tech support a few times a year.

Scumbag HP

Or, how about So what... Look at all the inclusion and diversity we have....

More like they made 28 Billion by scamming people. Multi-Billion dollar companies won't pay their 3rd world employees even 1/10th of what the same employee would make in the US.

@@robertsmith2956 incredulity and divisiveness

​@robertsmith2956 who knew that throughout history the only problem was that all this bad stuff was done by white ppl. Now that ppl with different skin colors can also screw everyone over, the world is finally fair! Yay progress!

Yeah, I love my brother too. Bought MFC-L2712DN and am happy like a clam.Best thing? My dad is not tech savvy. Even he managed to pick up their print and scanner tools.

Can you tell me the brother one you brought with color?

@@lemonhead9628 It's the HL-L3270CDW

​@@travisbuschette8609 thanQ!

I also have a Brother printer that I bought 8 years ago and I have had a similar experience.

Printers have always been a lootbox.. just throw money at it and hope it works

Not really, I just bought a Canon printer that takes bottles of Ink(G3260) that I can buy 3rd party bottles for a 5th of the price online, and completely user serviceable. Yea it took like 2 days researching off and on to find a balance between features and cost, but I got exactly what I wanted.

@@Awrethien Tank printers are the best. I've had an Epson Ecotank for 8 years now, and zero complaints.

​@@Awrethien being able to still find a decent product doesn't really disprove his point. there are still some amazing games that release without all the microtransaction bullshit as well but it doesn't entirely remove the bad taste in your mouth that a lot of companies are doing such predatory practices, especially not when they're the biggest in the playground.

@@Awrethien not everyone has the luxury of wasting two days on what fcking printer to buy. How do you even think this is a good defence of anything ?

was it a dual-mount .50 cal?

@@Sierra-208 Yes

@@andymok7945 Excellent

my brother printer lets me refill with my own ink...most new ones make that impossible. where are the lawyers.

Brother is the way to go. As a hardware and software engineer, I will not touch HP with someone else's pole. My Brother is bullet proof and never lets me down. EVERY HP I have had to support has been hot garbage.

Epson ecotank too ???

What's wrong with getting Epson Eco Tank? I was thinking this would be the solution to cartridges.

But then what would you move to?

Good idea.

Are you time traveller, that you own 2015 printer for 20 years?

@@qbek_san dense.

Nail on the head. I have worked in printing for 30 years, I have a load of customers that do just that. Let the printshop worry about maintenance, and supplies, also most of the time they have choices you don't and the experience and training you don't. Might seem more expensive, but compared to the cost of a useless or mostly unused machine is very small not to mention never having to fight that lousy low end printer.

@@qbek_san he bought it in 2015. The model is 20 years old.

I have a first-gen Epson Ecotank, and zero complaints since I bought it.

I also recently picked up an Epson eco tank. I do a ton of color printing and I'm very impressed with how cheap it's been to run.

They don't hold a candle to the pigment ones but I ain't complaining about not getting shaken down for cartridges.

Have had 2 Epson Eco Tanks in both Germany and Canada - both worked very well (more expensive to buy, but much cheaper to operate). In my case, it paid for itself within 2 years, then I saved about $100/year.

I'm almost 1 year in owning a Epson ecotank (paid 250 or 300) and used less than 1/4 of the ink that came with it so far.

You can use the dimensions of the printer to calculate how many percent of your rent/space it takes per month

GOD-TIER RESPONSE

Gamers didn't like "games as a service", creatives didnt like adobe and autodesk doing their apps as a service, what makes them think we want that for our hardware?

@@darkzeroprojects4245 We don't want it for our hardware, but all the other printer companies will copy HP, just like the smartphone manufacturers copied Apple with removal of the headphone jack and microSD slot, then you won't have a choice but to just deal with it and pay up.

@@lance_374 At that point most of us should stop buying from them.

These really cheap black and white HP printers STOP WORKING after 20 pages if you do not register them online. It's completely crazy.

@@mrfrenzy. its crazy that you even got that far, mine didnt let me print *at all* before signing up

Imagine an electric car.

@@IzzyBone10000 ....or coming electric stoves

@@Songwriter376 I have an electric stove it doesn't do that lmao It just plugs into the wall behind the oven and turns on.

@@WalrusWinking Is there any kinda of chip at all inside of it? Anything at all. Electrical Display for the numbers? Anything Electric other than the plug? If yes, they can shut it down remotely, 100%.

@@Jirodyne not if it's only connected to power.

Same industry as you, it's insane how much everything is. Zbrush is now subscription, Maya is an arm and a leg (shoot for the indie license if you can), forget about adobe, only thing that is perpetual is marmoset. This is why Blender has taken off so much, but it's not industry standard

Travis, I can't say this is the case for everyone, but I'm the sort of person to play conquest of elysium 5. I honestly don't think AAA games are worth playing for people when companies make them uncompetitive or put walls around getting it.

Which software was that?

​@@jynxbot352 Is Z brush still any good? I thought it would have had a couple of competitors by now

@@cassierbutler6073 Blender is getting close.

Anything with tiny cartridges are a scam even if they don't connect to the internet. They won't let you print a black and white page because you're out of cyan and those cartridges can still have ink in them but if the machine thinks that it should be empty then it might as well be a useless lump of plastic. Buy yourself a black and white Brother printer. The ink doesn't magically dry up from a lack of use and it will save you a LOT of money and frustration in the long run.

@@bigmekboy175 I was asking for a list of companies (not just printer companies) to not buy from, not a printer recommendation.

@omnitroph1501 the list of companies to not buy ink jet printers from is basically ALL OF THEM. There might be another exception I haven't heard about but right now they're all scammers. My Brother laser jet printer has been a hassle free low cost experience but before that I owned Epson's and Cannon's and it was the same predatory, frustrating, high cost experience.

@@bigmekboy175 what part of "not just printer companies" did you not understand?

@omnitroph1501 Sorry for misunderstanding you, the video was about printers and since a list of unethical companies would be miles long I assumed you wanted a list of shady corporations that sell printers. Not all printers are made by the big printer corporations after all and what you are actually asking for is going to be a LOOOOONG list starting with the manufacturer of the cell phone you're probably reading this on.

Feels good not being the only "fell off my desk" guy. 😆

@@josephaltman460 it's a very exclusive club 😂

@@sisamusudroka3000 I'm in the "Office Space recreation" club.

Laser printers are also way easier to fix. Or at least you actually can fix them. + You can refill them yourself, if you know, what you're doing.

I bet you that if they couldn’t directly connect, they’d weasel their way to their servers through the print driver on your computer and then disable it that way.

@@ProtoV33MK1 Yeah I forgot, lots of printers these days have WiFi capabilities. A new world of possibilities (to profit) open up!

can you share what is the model or brand that makes your printer?

In the same spirit, i really hate smart Tv's. I want a TV that is just a screen with a Tv channel receiver but i can't find any anymore. All of them trying to sell me shit i have no use of. I have mini PCs, consoles etc i connect with my Tv, i have no need for my Tv to have any abilities on it's own.

Region locked printers! What bullshit is that.

Modern serfdom. How dare you leave your land.

That happened to me too with an HP printer. Same model, same ink. Moved to Europe and bought same model printer but i inserted a brand new cartridge purchased in Canada and brought to Europe. Told me the region of the cartridge was not compatible…WTF

true though especially since ink is So f-ing overpriced

​@black_Ninja buy generic brands from Amazon like smart ink. It's 1/4 the price of the HP brand. The printer doesn't like it (gives me a notification that it's not a HP cartridge) but it does work

@@michaelrodriguez6210 some of the HP laserjets give you the ability to turn off that notification. I have a M404dn and it allows me to do that

They're TANKS!

😄 awesome

Can confirm Brother printers are the least terrible ones.

I absolutely love my second hand Brother! $40 color laser, 0 bull💩!!

@@Tess.of.all.trades Did you watch the video? Yes, the service is 100% optional, the problem is HP disabling the products.

@@publicguy1664 You know women always talk and never want to listen, why would they start now. 🤦🏽 Joking but there is quiet a lot of women like the comment above yours, which is sad.

@@lemonhead9628 unreal. boiling the frog slowly but surely.

@@publicguy1664 I have this service. HP doesn’t disable the product. They disable the subscription cartridge if you stop the subscription. You can still remove the subscription cartridge and go buy ink for the printer. The subscription is actually much cheaper.

​@Diesel Techie Except HP doesn't have monopoly power in the printer market. It's just using basic customer capture to wrack up margins on follow on products. Reminds me of what it's like to get trapped in the Apple Ecosystem.

That's good! The problem with a lot of those older printers is the lack of support they get from manufacturers/developers. As long as they still work that's all that matters but sometimes Windows updates and that breaks 'em. :/

Thats not a printer, it's a tank😅

This is the way

And that is the issue they have with it. You aren't giving any more money to them if they make a good product and the twisted part of that is they make more money on a worse product.

@@christopherjones7191 I can at least see both sides of things. Printers are a dying technology. I use mine less than a handful of times a year. I used to work at an envelope manufacturer, and the only new jobs we got were from other manufacturers going under. We used to literally print envelopes encouraging people to go paperless on their bills. Neither will go away in our lifetime, but it's basically a race to be the last one standing. That said, the one likely to be left standing is the one that stands out the best, but that's end game, and many of them are struggling to make it there already.

​@@rossmanngroup the 28 billion doesn't show success, it shows greed.

@@christopherjones7191 Welcome to capitalism ...

True, they kept a lot of valve stuff cos it was impervious to emf pulses, and started re importing Ladas

ive got three haynes repair manuals (1 each car) no way in hell an i ever lending them to anyone. worth more than gold now

25% more on an appliance is still a cheap pos that will fail in a year. Hell even if you pay max for the most expensive appliance the odds are its another pos made in the same slave labor factory in china that will also only last a year.

Yea a lot of farmer use older equipment now or other brands it laughable it really shitty these companies do that to farmers when they already run on a tight budget it riducloious. I fixed a new holland at my families farm if companies like John deere wanna make extra money the better way to go about it is selling tools to repair the dang thing and don't sell it at ridulious prices

The last sentence in the secon paragraph is the bane of my existence. When I’m shopping I’m always trying to find something higher quality than the bottom tier, without ending up at the top tier, paying for extras I will never use. Although, that’s partially why I hate shopping, since the majority of that time is spent trying to find as much info on all the products as possible.

Now all the we,w series are the same garbage. Pathetically shameful!

Even if you don't sign up for their program they still might lock your printer down because fuck you. I tell my customers to avoid them like the plague

Worked in Electronics Retail for a couple years. We were also forced to Push it too. After a couple weeks it was up on the score Board for employees….

Reminds me of being forced to push the third party extended warranty when I was working in retail selling electronics. They had the checkout staff ask each customer if the sales person offered an extended warranty and note it down for management.

Unsurprising. Stuff that doesn't sell on it's own usually means it sucks and needs to be jammed down people's throats.

That flushing isn't really that much of a downside. I clean my fountain pens out every two or three refills for the same reason (inkjet printers are based off of fountain pen ink)

I've heard that kind of ink is different, is it?

@@JorgetePanete - Inkjet ink started off as FP ink - they've just reformulated it, because it's a nozzle, not a nib. I'm currently using inkjet printer ink in one of my fountain pens. I've been doing it for years. It bleeds more, and dries faster, than standard FP ink, but does no damage to the pen. . it's a way to use up aftermarket refill ink for printers I don't have anymore. (bottles)

What model do you own? I'm looking to buy one and I wanna weigh my options.

That's what we have at home too, and it's been pretty reliable that even my non-techie mom often uses it. (brother)

suspiciously cheap lasers pull the same scam (as described in the article). But half-full cartridges too. At least toner does not dry out when not used.

Brother is the best.

Honestly, I've found that inkjets, even cheap ones, print better colour photos/images than a colour laser. However, I push my customers to buy the colour lasers for their document printing.

I have an Epson, I've never experienced that issue. Mines a few years old so maybe this is new. I've bought Brothers for family. They work basically equal to each other, other than the Epson not needing the shady app Brother uses to print from a phone. The increased cost of an Epson seems directly proportional to the increased visual quality of the prints.

@@tbelding Inkjets SUCK if you avoid printing due to the high per page cost. You have to print weekly to avoid clogging the nozzles.

i get it, it is just a seat. but that is how a warranty usually works

​@@mpb6491Yeah, that's a good point. Even warranties are predatory, the customer owns nothing and the company has all the power.

John deer lost that lawsuit so it’s illegal for them to do that now

Should we tell them the currency they purchase these products isn't theirs either, just merely in their possession 😂

What was the brand?

@@schoo9256 it is the zjx pet camera on Amazon, it it currently cheaper than usual, 17$ total I think but beware sometimes the model they send will be different, same functionality, I ordered two different times and got a different model but it worked the same so all is well

Yeah, my printer *has* Wi-Fi. I keep it turned off. I've never needed to print anything from my phone anyway.

My main laptop is an Asus UX31A. Reviews suggest it came out in late 2012... I bought it new and still use it. My secondary laptop is a HP Probook with 2nd gen i5. It would be older than the above zenbook. A customer left it with a dead hard drive. Stuck a cheap SSD in it... Still use it. Both have Linux on them. I don't game on them (gaming on laptops is a fools game). They both happily run the random software I need, and do web browsing just fine. They're a little slow at compiling my random Arduino projects and can struggle with Blender, but they go fast enough for my use. I thought I'd replace them by about 4 years ago, but I may still be using them in 5 years at this rate.

@@tin2001 preach. Old laptops are very underrated, putting Linux on them, cleaning the laptop of dust and replacing the battery does wonders. I installed Linux on my dad's old Lenovo yoga 2 pro and cleaned out the insides of dust and it runs better than ever and does not overheat (it used to overheat every time it booted on windows).

I'm an IT consultant. My day-to day laptop is now a decade old, running a 2nd generation i7, and Kubuntu. I'm actually on my fourth or fifth one (I keep spares, because they're cheap), mostly because I'm VERY hard on them. I really appreciate being able to buy a new battery WITHOUT dismantling the damned thing.

@@tbelding I'm wondering why nobody has made aftermarket boards for popular old laptops. Imagine modern tech in the old form factors that are serviceable. The battery life would be better.

Some of the older laptops (and some desktops) are very limited in the amount of memory they can handle. Or that's what the spec says. In actual fact most have only one or two memory slots but the memory controller can handle 4 slots, and the limitation is the amount of memory per slot. You can often double the memory capacity by using 2Rx8 memory sticks instead of the standard 1Rx8/16 because it appears to the memory controller as 2 slots. There are even 4Rx8 memory sticks but I've only ever seen them as ECC server memory. I can't guarantee it will always work but I have a couple of laptops running happily with 4GB when the spec says maximum 2GB and I've done several old desktops this way in the past and even boosted a friends laptop to 8GB from the supposed maximum of 4GB. If you want to try it look for 2Rx8 on the label or description.

Why are printers so much worse than before?

@@MatthewCenance I think it's because price competition made it nearly impossible to make a super high quality printer. If your competitor sold a printer for $20 less, people bought that instead of yours. It is a fact that the public goes for prices over quality in many cases. If you missed, it Rossman himself has a video where he talks about opening a store to sell higher quality products for a few dollars more, and no one bought them.

Had the same experience a while ago! For me, it was a client that upgraded from a Windows 8.1 computer to a Windows 11 PC. The driver and apps installed by Windows for the printer were newer than on the old computer. Luckily HP still had the driver package for Windows 8/8.1 on their website. So I just installed that. Worked perfectly fine without the need to sign in to an HP account!

I bought one of those. Didn't realize there were third party bottles. Never had a problem with the cost of the proprietary ones.

If it is one of the more expensive Epson EcoTanks that use pigmented inks, you should move the printer around a bit every week or so to keep the inks from settling in the tanks. Especially for aftermarket inks.

@@AlienRelics never had in issue over the years. But I'll keep it in mind.

There's a difference between market trends & conspiracy theories though. You can tangibly identify capitalism & the market system it operates in, & that it is going to offer convenience over security when it comes to technology & usability. We knew digital storefronts weren't going to bring prices down, we knew that pre-orders were just a negative ROI that would give companies an excuse to release something unfinished so they could fix it as they go, we knew that microtransactions would become macrotransactions & would eclipse the price of a full game, so on & so forth. But I'm gonna call bullshit on your anecdote that you claim people were calling you "conspiracy theorists" just because you can identify a market trend. This is just a tie-in to justify everything under that umbrella with a terminology associated with holocaust deniers & bigots. There are a very very small amount of harmless conspiracy theories, & you would only tie a political ideology into this because you're a republican looking to justify the other insane shit tied behind that bandwagon because a kernel of truth can justify a cluster of lies in most cases. No one wants to get rid of our capitalist economic system that lets the rich lobby government & the corporations dictate what we own or what we can use, tired of hearing right wing adjacent arguments from people that do not want to tax those people, forcibly break apart their monopolies & duopolies, while complaining about "biG TeCh" & all that other shit. Also just to prove my point, there's another comment chain in here talking about tech & the charging of everything under a profit seeking at all costs economic system, & somehow we have randos in these comments saying "you know what kanye west was right & so were the germans in the 40s." These fucking psychos come out of the woodwork endorsing genocide & extinction of human beings as soon as CTs are brought up every fucking time, & people wonder why they get ragged on for associating with them.

That's really where this kicked off at. Once they got people to accept that modifying your own playstation was piracy they were off to the races. When Sony sued geohot for "hacking" the PS3 that set the legal precedent that you don't have ownership over your gaming console.

He right tho lol. My favorite was the move from single adobe license to subscription based, most people dont care about that shit so yeah i got called a conspiracy theorist too, guess im a republican bigot now.

@@burtburtist That's because it's not a fucking conspiracy theory, you live in a capitalist expression of the economy, if there's profit to be made by nickel & diming you on every product you as the consumer buy purchase or have, they will extort it from you for windfalls to shareholders & investor's. Then the CEO will be given a bonus & your price just went up on goods purchased because there's no regulation & consumer protection, & they will price gouge & create artificial scarcity because they CAN. What other theories do you think are valid? Do you self identify as a dumbass that thinks the holocaust was fake, that the Titanic was sunk to kill a few people who didn't want a world banking system, that Princess Diana was assassinated by the royal family because she believed that the nuclear family was based? Elaborate, take the mask off, give yourself away

@@IAmTheBugInsideYou absolute schitzo moment followed by unrelated walls of text

@Jim Allen my last HP printer lasted 3 days ... it didn't want to work wirelessly or via USB, so it was greeted with a one way trip off the balcony onto the pavement. Have used laser Epson printers ever since

First mistake is buying anything HP.

What brand you suggest?

@@MRSketch09 Not the OP, but I used a Xerox 6120 from 2005. A huge, heavy thing that lasted through five years of my studies using the original toner. Now I use a Brother AIO colour laser (DCP-L3550 CDW) that runs fine and doesn't moan much about using non-Brother toner. Got it for around £250, and it has a document feeder for the scanner and a duplex unit for the printer.

@@MRSketch09 Got a Xerox Phaser 6022 a few years back. It ran me about $200. Replacement 3d party toners run me less than $40 for a full set. It works every single time I need it.

@@MRSketch09 Bought a Brother HL-4040CDN in the early 2010's and use it mainly around tax season and still going great without any issues and have yet to replace anything in it. Its a laser color printer. Bought it on sale half price back then so got it for real cheap. 150 to 200 bucks back then.

Yes. I don't need to print high quality all the time. I always go to the properties whenever I'm about to print and I check the "Econo" mode before I print. I've had my printer for several years now and I have replaced the original toner cartridges only so far. The replacement cartridges are still working me. Often times I don't need to print, and I use the option to save a document as a pdf.

Sadly, this doesn't work. people just don't do it unless it's very convenient for them to.

vote with your wallets died when companies realized their biggest spenders are large businesses. Microsoft will not go out of business if average people reject Windows. Companies have ingrained its use. This is how Office 365 continues to exploit the industry too while way better alternatives already exist. They give you it free in college and then expect you to keep paying for it.

The sad part is the Instant Ink service is actually a very good value for a lot of people, but people have decided they don’t need to pay attention anymore. I’m actually worried all of the lawsuits and complaints and stuff from people who simply didn’t pay attention are going to ruin the service for everybody.

this would work if people weren't dumb sadly that's not the case for most

@@jeffreywoods4040 - If you go into a store and buy a printer off the shelf, it's expected that you're buying actual hardware. If they want to do a subscription model then they need to put an employee between the customer and the printer, and have people sign up for a service before you let them put it in their cart.

Couldn't you just 3D print one?

@@My_Old_YT_Account This happened years ago. 3D printing wasn't even available yet. Today I might be able to, but I don't own that printer anymore.

Haven't had that sort of problem with Kyocera or Epson thankfully.

Yup, my wife has a printer and I refuse to even look at it. I dealt with printers when I worked at Medical Clinics. F them and the toner cartridge they rode in on.

@@My_Old_YT_Account 3D printing is the future for us against this BS of weak parts. I've fixed so many little things around the house with mine, print it in ABS and that thing isn't gonna break for a long time.

Yep, probably cheaper to print at a community store. But, far more time-consuming and inconvenient.

Watch out. Office Depot wouldn't use my thumb drive for the docs, and demanded I email the documents to them, so I had to drive home to create an email then drive back to the store to get the job finished.

Bro its a couple cents a page why pay to put yourself through hell

@@WhySoLoud What 😆 That's ridiculous. So they want an email so they can store it forever, or they're afraid of a virus?

@wadderfock they're likely more worried about a virus. Pretty sure they have computers you can use at most pront stores though. Don't use office max if they're seriously that primitive.

Never let go of that printer.

Do not allow that printer to do any automatic firmware updates. When HP took over the "support" for old Samsung laser printers, they pushed out a firmware update that stopped my ML-1640 printer from working the next time when I removed and reinsered a previously OK aftermarket toner cartidge to clear a paper jam.

My mother has an ML-2010 as well. She uses it to print documents for work. She has been printing about 30 pages a week for over 10 years. That's about 15 000 pages. A rubber part had worn out last year and the replacement cost 15$. She's gotten it cleaned a couple times as well, because it started leaving smudges. Very good printer. I got myself a Brother scanner/printer combo. No issues so far, but I've not used it much.

That printer is legend. Sad that samsung no longer doing printers. Their colour laser printer was also great.

I'll be honest the 3 years I spent running the supply company gave me an unhealthy disdain for consumer behavior. People would tell me what they wanted and I'd hand it to them on a silver platter but if I cost literally $2 more than the competition that has 1 star on every site besides eBay and sells absolute garbage I lose.

Couldn't agree more. I own a lot of things that I bought years and years ago but they're still pretty much as good as new. In the long run I always seem to end up saving a lot of money that way. Unfortunately the majority of people would rather save 2$ right now than a lot more over X years. For me, this isn't even just a money thing. It's also a lot more convenient for me to just own one thing that I know is good and will last me a for a while, I'm way too lazy to constantly go out and replace cheap rubbish that breaks all the time.

@@rossmanngroup Reminds me of when I used to smoke cigarettes in NYC, there was a deli that would sell Nat Sherman's (phenomenal cigarettes) and I think and 2 other people were the only customers according to the owner, and the only reason he has them was literally for us three. I asked him surely people would buy these if they knew how much better they were than deathblow Marlboro Red pack cigarettes that were only a dollar or so cheaper. He laughed slightly telling me he's getting roasted by people coming in trying to buy a pack of cigarettes saying they could go to another deli and get it for 25 cents less a few blocks away, and were REALLY mad at the owner at the register for not lowering his price to save them a trip to the other deli that's much further and annoying to get to. Now you might be thinking is was some run-down neighborhood or whatever with very price sensitive people. This was a few years back in LES (Avenue A and 2nd st). PEAK gentrified locale. Here, humble studio apartments in my building went for ~$4000 per month about 8 years ago. God knows what they are now..

That's because the customer does not have the knowledge required to tell the difference in quality between two products or services. Lots of websites obfuscate this information, or make it otherwise unavailable for comparison. Time is also a "cost". If it's needed NOW, then going by price is the safest option.

@@cyxceven I do my searches by "highest rating", then filter it by the price range I am looking for. I don't remember offhand what Amazon's search filter options are, but you can def do this on Walmart. Walmart in general has a lot of useful filters on their site to help you find what you're looking for. Then from there I skip the sponsored results, click on a few that have good ratings(and review count; I usually skip items that only have a couple of reviews unless there's no other options that have a good rating), and read the first 2 or 3 pages of reviews, then pick one.

I'm fine with checking out my own groceries... Don't know how many times I've had to wait for someone with a full cart to go through checkout when I have 5 things that would take 20 seconds of I did it myself... As long as it doesn't go full self checkout and the lanes stay open for when you have lots of stuff and for older people then it's fine.

I bought my groceries at Aldi's last time. Did not use any computer or credit card to do it. Cash with no entanglements makes the most sense. Why get in debt to some company?

Razor companies essentially do this too.

It isn’t - the Atlantic author signed up for an optional pay-per-page subscription service then didn’t pay the bill. That’s a legally-enforceable contract by itself. To go back to using his printer like normal, all the author had to do was buy normal ink cartridges (HP genuine or otherwise) from a store and install them. The program itself is actually pretty reasonable and makes sense for a lot of people. I’m worried that this kind of thing is going to ruin it for everybody.

@@kodywillnauer9422 Buy a butterfly razor, the blades are pretty much universal. Also $2.50 for a 5 pack as opposed to like $17.99...

@@TheMinecraftACMan they're not talking about razor blades, they're talking about the gaming company.

@@CoasterMan13Official No, shaving razor companies literally do it. Also the gaming stuff is called razEr with an e.

maybe, till they realise what your doing and then all your ink will dry up while your in jail lol

@@kirill2525 in EU law, there is no problem on hacking your own hardware if you really purchased it because then you are the lawful owner of that device and you can do whatever you want with it.

Look into CISS. Continuous Ink Supply Systems have been doing this for a long amount of time, and have bypassed the chip systems on most of these printers.

I'd be shocked if someone hasn't already done this tbh.

@@kirill2525 Not where I live lol

There are still some great quality earbuds at low prices like Linsoul; with most being around $35. It's not completely necessary to go for the $100 range earbuds unless you real want to.

@@Zed-Corps skullcandy wireless earbuds are also decent, around $40 cad, both my sister and brother have them and they have worked great for months

15 years ago it made more sense to buy cheap earbuds because even the expensive ones would break from mild usage, like sweating from working out. I considered them disposable. Times have changed though.

if anyone's looking at this and needs cheap, great earbuds, i reccoment KZ ZSN's at 20 bucks. Fantastic quality, and replaceable cable. there's no match imo.

price is not a reliable indicator of quality though companies are perfectly willing to sell you trash at a high price when you're just rolling the dice either way, cheaper rolls are attractive

My philosophy for many years now has been "If you can only afford to buy the cheapest, you can't afford to buy it at all -- the cheapest is never actually the cheapest."

@@bernardkung7306 nah i dont like that thought process because theres ALOT of products out there that u literally cant fuck up. Tons of very simple products that just work because of what they physically are. No reason to spend 5 times the price for something that does the exact same thing. Obviously some things, quality does indeed matter. But not most honestly.

I remember reading articles about that. Color dots (yellow?) are used for watermarking (ie. fingerprinting/tracking) all printed pages. Check your printed pages with microscope, they say. So, be careful about scanning and printing bank notes ;-) Your printer probably has some "special case" detection in software/firmware too.

Same problem here. Can't print black and white if there is a color cartridge without ink. Even though the printer mentions that you can still print in black and white if there is no colour ink on hte low ink message!

@@Robbedem Yep! And doesn't matter what guide you follow nor what settings you change through the printer, windows settings, or printer app settings - none will make it quit that nonsense. It's the ome thing I will never enjoy about this printer.

@@SeersantLoom So printing money in black and white should not matter because money needs color to be copied for any counterfeiting anyway.

Have you encountered the waste ink tank issue?

@@triadwarfare The older ecotanks had an issue where the printer was essentially useless once the waste ink sponge was full. Now they made it a $15 user-replaceable part.

Yeah if you need color at a price point below a color laser printer the ectotanks seem to be the way to go. The Epson ones look well designed and my customers seem pleased with their performance