Dyson vs Cheap Fans - What YouTubers Missed

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There are so many videos comparing Dyson fans with cheap fans that have got crazy views but there are a whole load of really important details that they are totally overlooking. In this video I look at my personal experience with Dyson (not sponsored in any way) as wall as an evidence-based look at what is actually some pretty remarkable engineering.
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@AviatorXD 16 дней назад

So taking everything into account i understand that buying a cheap fan that blows alot of air and just an air purifier is better, buying both of those would be half the price of the dyson fan and they would do their job alot better cause they do ONE job.

@jamesclow108 16 дней назад

If both of those would be half the price of the dyson fan then that leave money left over for noise cancelling headphones. Bonus.

@AviatorXD 16 дней назад

@@jamesclow108 Hhahahahaha true

@MrBoboka12 16 дней назад

It still overpriced and simply not worth it. Not all of them have filers.

@tanvach 13 дней назад

Our super expensive Dyson fan + purifier just died, again. We originally got it replaced under the 2 years warranty, but 2 more years later the new one died. Reliability is just not there honestly.

@trashviewer3521 16 дней назад

The problem with air purifier functions in this fans is with how expensive they are, one can afford a standalone air filtration system with far more efficiency and lower noise. It is actually the same with fans. You are saying that weird noises can affect certain people. Well on 600$+ you can have not one 20$ fan that runs at 50% speed, but instead several 100$ than runs on minimum. And about air purification. The norm for air purification is around 4 room volumes in an hour. This the reason you need almost any single device running on a maximum power, because otherwise it won't be cleaning the air in the whole room adequately. I very much doubt Dyson fans can do so for something larger than 10m² room. With how tiny their filters are. Like it's just half the size of typical cylinder size filters in 100$ chinese air purifiers. And you can have several of those on a budget of dyson fan for a much quieter operation. Also about gentle airflow when it's not hot. The noctua recently released a flow optimiser (also free 3d print file) for any 120\140mm pc fans. Along with other types of accessories. And you still can have a dozen of those for the price of dyson fan and you can adjust it far more precise than even dyson fan. Not like you'd ever need this type of control since most of 5v silent fans are already pretty silent. So my recipe is replacing one 600$+ fan for 2-3 air purifier and 1 - 2 fans. Yes, maybe it will take a little bit more space but it will be cheaper, more versatile and much quieter.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Some great ideas thanks!

@ronblack7870 16 дней назад

how much is the filter replacement cost

@bunger8658 16 дней назад

I ended up making my own dyson fan out of an air purifier and 3d printed housing, works great at about 1/2th the price. Great video as always Ben, those comparisons always annoyed me.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Great stuff!

@joyhappiness 16 дней назад

1/2th

@Flaakk 16 дней назад

Your arguments boil down to: The type of noise they generate is more pleasant, and it has a filter. The filter argument was compelling since you thoroughly explored it. The pleasant sound argument was quite lacking. Did you test the two side by side? Did you at least measure the frequencies and analyse the differences? This part felt very lazy to me.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

I have done more detailed tests before - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eCMtocnuKTc.htmlsi=JHc0oSm6wvz7yB72 - it's more of a subjective thing but it would come down to the 'roughness' of the sound. That is a hum at certain frequencies. The psychoacoustics document I linked to is really interesting. One of the main things for me though is the fact the Dyson can operate at significantly lower levels than the cheap fans.

@blobson 16 дней назад

dyson fans have an annoying drone that sounds like a vacuum even on low settings. after switching to silent fan with blades i sleep way better than with a dyson

@norgtube 16 дней назад

I'm not sure I follow the pricing logic, if you're concerned about PM2.5 you should be running filters at a rate congruent with your house's ventilation system (and if you don't have one, either you're very badly insulated, or your CO2 ppm's will be through the roof when occupied). Then you can use decent but affordable fans without making all the ignored PM2.5 airborne again. Another thing is that the Dyson units don't have cleanable/reusable pre-filters, and replacements are quite expensive. Corsi-Rosenthal boxes and cheap fans work great IMO. Super interesting discussion regardless!

@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 16 дней назад

"A cheap fan can be damaging to your health." I must have died multiple times according to that claim.

@eidrag 9 дней назад

that's why koreans fan have timer to avoid you damaging your health

@gothicchocobo 16 дней назад

Is that the same TV that you showed in your desk setup video from 4 years ago (55inch 4k)? Do you scale the image in any way? Also, have you looked into/What are your thoughts on using AR glasses (Xreal?) instead of a monitor? Being that I don't remember you mentioning the apple vision pro I doubt you have any interest in working in VR/AR, but something more glasses like might be less of a strain. Though I'd be curious about the using the BigScreen Beyond as that is really compact.

@BenVallack 10 дней назад

It is :) video on it coming out today. Yeah VR glasses and their virtual focus distance is really interesting.

@elessartelcontar8208 16 дней назад

If you really want pure air though an air purifier works better.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

@@elessartelcontar8208 I'm not convinced by this - if the graphs on the Dyson are to be believed it has no problem removing all particles from the air in any of our rooms.

@dosgos 16 дней назад

Smooth airflow, nice sound, nice industrial design. IMHO, "dedicated" devices work best, so a fan separate from an air purifier. But that gets uber-expensive. The Japanese have some nice air purifiers (e.g. Sharp). The replaceable air filters are expensive.

@shayes.x 16 дней назад

Govee smart air purifier (small room one $50, I think it's 40% off right now too on Amazon) plus any fan of your liking $100 or less and you come out a solid chunk cheaper than a used/refurbed Dyson fan. I haven't tried a Dyson in my own home though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it may be a suitable choice for a number of folks. But to be a bit blunt, I do think maybe you have some sunken cost bias 😂 To each their own, though!

@smiththewright 16 дней назад

Great video as usual! 🙌

@sighup124 9 дней назад

Which model do you have a dp 04?

@BenVallack 9 дней назад

Yeah I think so

@erichanson5628 16 дней назад

Wonderful video Ben!

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Thank you very much!

@hamgelato8143 16 дней назад

may i ask why you wear your ultra on your right hand, given that you're neither left-handed, have a tattoo on your left arm, nor presumably use public transit often?

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

For paying when going through tolls on bridges :) It took some getting used to!

@hamgelato8143 16 дней назад

@@BenVallack ah, that makes sense. you might want to try setting the digital crown to the left in General > Orientation. that would make the dial easier to toggle, if it doesn't get in the way while you're working out. tip from a left-handed person ;)

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

@@hamgelato8143 Yeah I flip flop between the sides, I find doing press-ups triggers the crown when it's on the left but it now just triggers the torch button instead!

@hamgelato8143 16 дней назад

@@BenVallack It sounds like a Shortcuts spelunking project involving Focus Mode or location/time-based settings :)

@AnirudhTammireddy 16 дней назад

While there is good engineering behind these... I am more interested on the walking desk bits/clips we got.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Stay tuned... :)

@kentslocum 11 дней назад

When I started following this channel, I thought it had really useful and interesting reviews and comparisons. But now it's just devolved into a review of expensive stuff I can't afford. 😢

@BenVallack 11 дней назад

Plenty coming on less expensive stuff. In fact I might do a whole series on getting the benefits of the stuff I uncover for cheap. It's all possible but requires more DIY.

@SianaGearz 4 дня назад

I think these things are fine; but that Dyson Zone, their headphone thing with personal air processor, is a bit of a scam. Not because it's not well made for the price or anything like that but i don't think it can fulfil on its implied promise. It is certainly a very cyberpunk sci-fi thing though which i can appreciate.

@BenVallack 4 дня назад

Yeah they lost the plot with that one!!

@marconifpv508 16 дней назад

I have the Formaldehyde one (it happened to be the model that was on sale) and it is a lovely bit of kit. My reasoning was that I was short on time and didnt want to spend hours researching fans and purifiers or jerry rigging something up. Dyson was a good bet that it woild be well engineered with a good noise profile, and was willing to pay for that. Hopefully Shark will rip off the design and I can get a second one for less though 😂

@dai19721 16 дней назад

or you could just buy 4 cheap fans an chill out a room....usb ones of course.

@MaxWithTheSax 16 дней назад

Couldn't you spend 100$ on a nice fan and 100$ on an air purifier to get the best of both worlds? That way you have a quiet fan and can purify the air even in winter when you don't need the fan.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Absolutely. But then one of your devices is redundant half the year and then you have to find space for two machines. The Dyson has a backwards mode where it purifies without a lot of airflow so is great in winter.

@drdrowland 16 дней назад

corsi rosenthal boxes are fifty dollars

@youtubeaccount2302 16 дней назад

Not quiet though

@drdrowland 15 дней назад

@@youtubeaccount2302 by using two or even three box fans they can be set to a lower speed.

@drdrowland 10 дней назад

@@youtubeaccount2302 turn down the speed and add more box fans to make up for the lost cfm

@drdrowland День назад

@@youtubeaccount2302 replace a few filters with more box fans and set them all to low. Lower speed is quieter

@benni2294 8 дней назад

him: "its important to filter the air and take out hazardous particles" also him: "for most of the year i let it run at the super low setting" [...where the clean air delivery rate is so low you are barely filtering your rooms air once every few hours where it should be more like once every few minutes]"

@BenVallack 8 дней назад

In fact if you put it on auto it decides that only low modes are sufficient to do the purification. A normal air purifier uses low airflow too.

@benni2294 8 дней назад

@@BenVallack "Air cleaners that carry the AHAM Verifide® Mark have a suggested room size based on 4.8 air changes per hour, which is the minimum equivalent air exchange necessary for an air cleaner to keep up with unfiltered air entering the room." This is what AHAM (Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers) states in the source below. in general i think a fan is just used in a very different way than an air purifier by the average consumer. who turns on a fan in winter when it's not hot? to be clear i totally agree that air purifiers are something essential to indoor spaces. that's why i am trying to develop one right now that improves on flaws of current products. i just thought your decision to lean into the dyson fan being the best option was weird at best. let me know if you are interested in a productive conversion about this important topic. maybe we can change something, together. i would love to hear your inputs. source: www.google.at/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=ahamverifide.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/White-Paper-Portable-Air-Cleaners-and-AIr-Changes-per-Hour-FINAL-00106301.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjB9YyJtqSHAxXpSvEDHSQ8DocQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1t8o-ggSj0QURz1tyFrJl5

@benni2294 8 дней назад

@@BenVallack "Air cleaners that carry the AHAM Verifide® Mark have a suggested room size based on 4.8 air changes per hour, which is the minimum equivalent air exchange necessary for an air cleaner to keep up with unfiltered air entering the room." This is what AHAM (Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers) states in the source below. in general i think a fan is just used in a very different way than an air purifier by the average consumer. who turns on a fan in winter when it's not hot? to be clear i totally agree that air purifiers are something essential to indoor spaces. that's why i am trying to develop one right now that improves on flaws of current products. i just thought your decision to lean into the dyson fan being the best option was weird at best. let me know if you are interested in a productive conversion about this important topic. maybe we can change something, together. i would love to hear your inputs. source: unfortunately the comment with the link got removed by youtube, but you'll find it if you search for "AHAM minimum air exchange rate per hour"

@benni2294 8 дней назад

@@BenVallack "Air cleaners that carry the AHAM Verifide Mark have a suggested room size based on 4.8 air changes per hour, which is the minimum equivalent air exchange necessary for an air cleaner to keep up with unfiltered air entering the room." This is what AHAM (Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers) states in the source below. in general i think a fan is just used in a very different way than an air purifier by the average consumer. who turns on a fan in winter when it's not hot? to be clear i totally agree that air purifiers are something essential to indoor spaces. that's why i am trying to develop one right now that improves on flaws of current products. i just thought your decision to lean into the dyson fan being the best option was weird at best. let me know if you are interested in a productive conversion about this important topic. maybe we can change something, together. i would love to hear your inputs. source: unfortunately i can't comment links just search for "AHAM minimum air exchange rate per hour"

@benni2294 8 дней назад

@v1Broadcaster 16 дней назад

why havent you custom built a treadmill yet?

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

ha!

@JessicaFEREM День назад

if you're a real cheapscate you can just buy a flat-backed box fan and tape a filter to the back.

@SaschaWagner 16 дней назад

Still blows dust around because only 1% of the moved air is filtered

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

Huh?! Dyson have demonstrated their purifiers are more than capable of filtering all the air in the room. Obviously this doesn't happen straight away. But the data from the device also proves that it effectively removes the particles from the air.

@SaschaWagner 16 дней назад

@@BenVallack I mean the whole "Air-Multiplyer" thing

@BenVallack 15 дней назад

@@SaschaWagnerYeah for sure - a lot of the moving air won't directly have come from the filter. But over time more and more of the air in the room will go through the filter and the particles will be taken out of action!

@swecreations 7 дней назад

A more expensive high-quality quiet fan is much quieter than this Dyson at similar airflow levels, and go just as low, often even lower in fact. There are good options in the £75-100 range. The Dyson is still overpriced, and compared to the above regular quiet fans their reliability is very poor, which is unacceptable considering their price point. Their filters are also not cleanable and reuseable, plus expensive to replace. The purifying is of course a nice feature, but it in no way makes the pricing any less overpriced. To me the fact they have designed this to fail (I can assure you it's entirely on purpose!) combined with making the product so that you're forced to continue paying them for new filters to get more money out of you just leaves a very poor taste in my mouth.

@edpikestone6800 16 дней назад

Ben, great video, but I think that you missed another factor which is environment. If you live in an urban area you will have lower air quality and higher heat (think radiant heat from structures even after the sun has gone down). I have Dyson fan and love it, but I live in the country and would probably be ok with a non-Dyson fan. But for your viewers in towns and cities, you make a good argument.

@ernestoditerribile 16 дней назад

Just get split Airconditioning. They truly work, Dyson or other fans, truly don't work. Fans will always warm your room, and never cool it. Because they just create an airflow. They don't have refrigerants. Don't buy crappy brands like Haier, Midea, Carrier, LG, Samsung, Fujitsu or cheap chinese brands(white brands) But go for good brands like Toshiba(the best), Daikin(also really good), Mitsubishi Electric or Heavy Industries(little bit lower quality than the Electric) or if you want Cheap and reliable go for AUX.

@BenVallack 16 дней назад

That's a very different cost proposition!

@ernestoditerribile 15 дней назад

@@BenVallack that’s true, but it works so much better. Also most people do have enough money to spend on an airconditioning system, so why settle for less.

@divest6527 16 дней назад

I did find your design-centred arguments for this product somewhat convincing, having watched AvE's video on the subject in the past, but that notwithstanding you mentioned in 07:14, "But sometimes big brands do use their marketing power to sell ideas that really don't stack up when you look closely at them [...] an example being Gore-Tex." Very true, but another example would also be Brexit. And the behaviour of Dyson and its owner in fanning the flames of racist bile - only to jump ship and move abroad for tax reasons after Brexit had actually happened - I think is reason enough not to buy any Dyson products, shiny (or genuinely well designed) as they may be!