E-Flite Super Timber 1.7m BNF Basic with AS3X and SAFE Select - Model AV8R Announcement & Review 

I have a night timber x with full span ailerons and would love to get reverse thrust as well. How do you use the virtual function channels?

You'll see AUX2, AUX3, etc. depending on how many channels your TX is. Just assign that function to one of those on whatever switch you want...which for reverse thrust is handled in the Avian programming.

I was going to ask you about this. I just use Flight Modes for my aR631's.. Thanks for clarifying 👍

Wouldn't you need to go to 8ch if you also wanted crow? Like the 2m SWS or 60" PnP Stick?

@thomasedwards629 For crow and full span ailerons...yes. If you just want one or the other, no. With the 6 channel (6 actual ports), you can y the ailerons and isolate the two flap servos for full span ailerons, or y the flaps and isolate the ailerons for crow. To have both... you have to isolate all 4... then you need more channels (ports).

They can be a crutch...or a training aid. All in how you use it. To be fair, if someone wants a crutch, and they are having fun...I reckon that is alright as well.

Maybe it's just me but - at least with Timbers - I think SAFE enables slower flying than fully hands on can achieve so I will often switch it on just to see how slow I can mooch around with flaps.

@@JS-zz2hz For sure Timbers will fly slow even at a lower angle of attack, but It's just you. SAFE limits control throw. I can get any plane (including Timbers) at a higher angle of attack (slower) out of SAFE than I can in it. You need the elevator and rudder throw combined with throttle modulation to get as slow as a plane is capable of flying.

@@ModelAV8RChannel It's me being lazy Adam. As only an occasional flyer now I just find slow fly steadier and easier in SAFE especially with something like a Timber X but If I was a more regular flyer I might well have eventually got better than the artificial aids.

Thanks very much!

Thanks man!

Thanks man! Awesome airplane.

Great plane. My favorite Foam sport/bush plane so far!

It is a great one.

Thanks man! Yes...the birds are happy there!

It is impressive! Thanks!

Really well done. Checks all the boxes for me.

Thanks Jeff! Great airplane!

Thanks! It is my favorite Timber ever for sure. Hey...a bipe could happen, lol. Probably fly awesome.

@@ModelAV8RChannel Seriously I think they could do it. They only have to nail that mild to wild experience the other Timbers have. It could even have a Timber style fuse and tail with the short nose and squared off tips to retain the Timber styling cues.

Thanks bro! Yep, OG timber style fuse, and larger Twimber style wing.

Thanks so much man!

Yep!

Thanks man! Love em'. Finally, a light inflatable tire that is soft.

@@ModelAV8RChannel Regarding ‚compatibility‘: What diameter (in mm) is the axle and how long does it have to be, to lock the wheel?

Thanks! Awesome plane.

Thanks!

It is man! Thanks bro!

Thanks for watching!

Thanks Steve! Man it was great meeting you at SEFF. Thanks for sharing your D.VII with us! Have a blast at Nall.

Outstanding my friend! Enjoy it!

It is! Thanks man!

Thanks Al! Bro honestly, you can't go wrong with either. Your reasoning on the SWS is solid. That would be a great first Balsa/Timber at one time!

Hey Noel! Lol...bro you're a riot in the best kind of way! yep...comes with the super cool wheels/tires!

Thanks Ruby! I'm gonna use that term...

It really is Ian. A keeper for me.

Thanks very much Joel! This one is impressive...dare I say...super!

@@ModelAV8RChannel Really looking forward to your next vids with the plane! 😎

@MrTurboparker Sounds like a request...what you wanna see bro?

Awesome Jon! I meant to tell you to look for him. Glad y'all got to meet! Yes, Dustin is a great guy! I look forward to your vid!

Lol...Mega Super Timber. They actually might...Lol.

“Mega Super Timber Night” 🤪

That's an option for sure, but l have to disagree, Lol. I love my CZ Cub, but this has several things it doesn't. Lights, interchangeable slats (LOVE THAT), Inflatable light tires (love that too, lol), easier to store/transport...and really easy to get together. Seconds compared to several minutes.

Thanks for watching!

Thanks man! So...gonna lay down a few facts on the Twin Timber...not directed at you...just the truth FYI. That wasn't the gear on the Twimber...that was pilots screwing up. We have a full video with multiple takeoffs and landings from multiple surfaces with no nose overs. That isn't magic. Lol. Now...will it nose over easier than most because of the high thrust line and high center of mass...yes...that should be obvious. I mean...look at it. So...account for that and fly it the way that is required. Use more up elevator on takeoff, and flare it more to get the nose up or be prepared to use more elevator than normal on a wheel landing to counter that characteristic...and you're fine. Pilots complain because you have to fly it different. Duh. It is different...that is the point of it. It's not supposed to look or fly exactly like everything else.

@@ModelAV8RChannel Great tips! I have actually worked through some of that, and it helped a lot. Still seems a little more prone to it than it should be, for the reasons you mentioned. Not a concern on my other few planes. My remaining design complaints are more about quality of the tires, axels, and that rear tire and flimsy spring that lays over sideways instead of turning with the rudder in slightly soft surfaces. It looked like there were great improvements on all those issues, on that Super T!

Yep, the gear is new all around on the ST.

Thank you Gina! Love this one, really enjoying it!

Thanks man!

Hope you enjoy it!

Thanks very much! So, to be fair that is a very broad statement, and not totally true. HH has had plenty of planes sell for a very long time. How they sell determines the lifespan. Great sellers like Timbers sell a long time, and because they sell so well (top selling model ever maybe) they get updated as they get feedback as to what customers want. Planes that don't sell well get discontinued, and on occasion it can be an issue with factories in China. Sometimes they won't make spare parts for a plane that isn't in production. This one has everything, and I suspect it will be in production a while.

We can do that. Might be a few weeks though. We have a lot of other content to get out.

It would Jay! There are floats available, part # is in our vid. Haven't camped in a while...used to a lot though.

Thanks! Actually the mounts in this one are proven. New for Timbers, but not exactly new. They are made the same way (and size) as the mounts on the Carbon Z Cub V2 are, and those have been around a long time and have proven to hold up very well on a plane that is actually heavier than the Super Timber.

Thanks man...you'll love it. I do!

@@ModelAV8RChannel Yeah just waiting on it to ship.

We talk about this in the video. Watch starting at 08:56. We cover everything about them. Basically though, no...the axles on the smaller Timbers are not large enough diameter.

Yes I am LOL😂, Great Video Adam!

It's awesome Frank! Get it when she ain't lookin', Lol!

@@ModelAV8RChannel lol thats the plan lol later buddy 😀😃😄

Yep! Watch the whole vid bro...there are floats for it, and we tell you that in the vid. Lol.

@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks, but I got excited and went to HH to order one and forgot to get back to the video to finish watching 😁

@tomheetderks9997 I know the feeling, man! BTW, we always have links in the description so you can get there and get you one! You'll enjoy it. Awesome airplane.

I know right! They keep making them better!

Hey man thanks very much. I use my thumbs and index fingers on the gimbals, so my grip on the TX is different than a pilot that just uses thumbs. I'm able to rest my middle finger on the G switch and flip it towards me to activate reverse without giving up control of the elevator. I put flaps on the B switch for the same reason.

@@ModelAV8RChannel Thanks very much. Your setup makes perfect sense and would work great for me too.

Yep, that is the advantage of foam...less expensive and easier to assemble, although the SWS is cake to assemble for a balsa model. The SWS's advantage is what you'd expect from a big balsa bird. It has more presence due to the shear size, it is much more resistant to hangar rash, and is still the most precise Timber I've ever flown. That said the ST is the most precise foam Timber by a good bit, and it reminded me of the SWS in that respect. The ST has some other clear advantages. It has the potential to be much better at 3D/XA aerobatics with the full span aileron option, but with sport aerobatics they are pretty evenly matched. It has much better gear and is a better pure STOL/bush plane. It has much better lights. The interchangeable slats are key...being able to take them off for aerobatics and put them on for STOL/bush flying is significant. Obviously the new light inflatable wheels are amazing...and can improve the SWS as well as they will fit it. Bottom line is there are legit reasons for both depending on who you ask and what they are looking for. I haven't flown a bad Timber...they are all good given what they are and the genre they are in. Best selling rc plane line in history for a reason. We has passed on most of the sport/bush planes we've been sent and reviewed to other deserving modelers...we just don't have room to keep them all. The ST and SWS are both still in our hangar. What does that tell you...

@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks for your opinion. Currently I fly the Turbo Timber. Great plane but needs a nit more power and quicker roll rates. So have to think if it is a good idea to get the Super Timber or if it is time to step up to the balsa SWS.

You know your altitude via your RID module if you're not flying at a FRIA. They are a complete GPS system. altitude, speed, etc. At a FRIA the altitudes are higher.

Welcome back! Spektrum NX8 is a great all around TX.

Yep, but to isolate both ailerons and both flaps you'll need a 8 ch RX.

That is cool. I now have full span ailerons as well, but didn't change the RX to get crow. I had crow on my Legacy Turbo Bushmaster. It's cool to keep it from gaining too much speed on a down line. You just have to know when to get rid of it if you're trying to use it to come down steep and land. It blocks the tail out on some planes and you can't get it to round out and flare.

@@ModelAV8RChannel thanks Adam.. excellent advise.. I didn’t think about the tail impact. I was more thinking the possible 3D effects CROW would give the ST when prop hangin her.

Technically you shouldn't need crow to hover it, maybe snap flaps to pop it into the hover quicker. Once you're there the normal 3 axis should be able to hold it fine if you have full span ailerons. All that said, playing with the crow and seeing what you can do with it should be fun.

Well, it isn't a scale plane to be fair, and that would require more weight and $. Think of windows in a foam plane like a convertible car. When you remove the top of a car...you are removing an important part of the structure, so more reinforcement has to be added to make it as strong as it was. That is why the convertible version of every car is heavier than the regular version. Same with a foam model. The foam where the window stickers are is part of the structure supporting the wing/fuse connection. You take that away, you have to add more reinforcement (weight) to make it as structurally sound as it was before you cut all that away. That costs more to develop and design. Not really worth it on most sport planes.

@@ModelAV8RChannel yeah, I'm with you on those points. Just me daydreaming🤠 Great review btw! Loved the pneumatic tires! I'm impressed with the weight on those😮 I use Xfly Tasman wheels on my SuperCub, but those are closer to 80 grams a piece.. I have far less bounce leaving them slightly deflated like you pointed out. It also helps avoiding nose-overs, since it's easier to run over stuff with soft tires.

Man these tires are SO nice! Been waiting on something like them a while...

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Honestly it's less about the stance and more about the size of the rudder, the tail moment, and the pilots skill level. It has a big rudder and a long tail moment so it is easier to handle than many. I'm pretty good at using rudder, so for me it takes off and lands fine in the wind.

AeroScout BNF with a Spektrum NX8. The NX8 will have capabilities that will take you through very advanced airplanes. You can use a cheaper, less capable TX to fly the AeroScout, but you will find yourself needing an upgrade soon.

Both are great airplanes, but when you compare the features the ST is well ahead.

@@ModelAV8RChannel Thanks ! The fuselage also seems waaay thinner on the ST

It is. The capability along with the quick detach wings, full span aileron option, interchangeable slats, and the gear with inflatable tires...hard to compete with that with any foam bush plane.

That may be perfect. The actual math says 14x6 is the prop, but I think if you check the amps in the air with telemetry you'll be fine with that prop. Just keep an eye on the amps and temps on a hot day.

It was 95 at the field this afternoon. I flew for nine and a half minutes on a 6s 5000 mah battery witch took it down to storage charge. I could hold my finger on the motor as long as I wanted it was hot but it didn't burn me . This is an amazing plane flys great and is super easy to get ready to fly when you unload it .

Haven't tested yet. I'd start with a 15x7 two blade (that is what the HH electric guru told me).

No, but the Tires can, and that is all the SWS needs. Got a set coming for mine.

Pumped full of em'. Lol

Watch at 11:35 That plane will have smaller diameter, shorter axles.

This setting alters how sensitive the sticks are around the center point. It does not alter the total throw of the servo movement. It alters the default linear curve to one that either is less sensitive (positive expo) or more sensitive (negative expo) around the middle point.

@@ModelAV8RChannel thank you for the explanation, I’ve been wondering what that meant for some time. I’ve got an NX8 setup the way I like it. And a timber evo 1.5. I’m new to all this but trying to get all the advantages I can. Can you recommend expo settings for a beginner?

Both really great airplanes. For me personally, this.

Freaking awesome.

Yep, and it will sell well just like the previous Timbers. To be fair, this one is quite different.

Thanks Chris! Yes sir...this one is super. Lol

Nope, nothing has changed...you are 100% correct. I was just texting with Gary Wright from HH. He educated me on this very thing. With the 637T and 637TA you have 3 extra "function" options for things like Mixes, AS3X/SAFE, and Reverse. So 6 ports, but 9 channels technically. We pinned a correcting comment.

I just was about to write this very thing, your virtual channels depend on transmitter not the receiver. So if people have a nx8 or nx10 for instance they have more channels than just the six on the receiver for thrust reverse, panic, as3x, etc.

Yep, we pinned a comment with the correction.