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E50 - Ben May Blindly Ejects Skip Schumaker Before Reversing Course & Tossing Actual Offender Urueta 

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HP Umpire Ben May ejected Marlins bench coach Luis Urueta for arguing a strike call. May warned Miami to stop complaining after manager Skip Schumaker chirped from the dugout, turned around, heard something and then ejected someone...without seeing who it was. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2024/...
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@priceright8963
@priceright8963 2 месяца назад
Doesn't hurt to take a few seconds to find out who's chirping. At least Ben handled this better than Hunter.
@metzilla
@metzilla 2 месяца назад
Could Rogers YANK PITCHES ANY MORE THAN THAT?!? MY GOD, that's embarrassing! 🙄
@RobZelinka
@RobZelinka 2 месяца назад
I agree. When I worked ball we would not reward that behavior. In fact it would be punished. That pitch would be a ball all night long
@jrmuckdog8836
@jrmuckdog8836 2 месяца назад
Except Jake is #8 on statcasts catcher framing leaderboard and leads all catchers in strike rate. learn ball
@metzilla
@metzilla 2 месяца назад
@@jrmuckdog8836 ....learn baseball, not statistics....why is a catcher yanking strikes?! It's dumb
@jrmuckdog8836
@jrmuckdog8836 2 месяца назад
@metzilla Cause it works, I watch every Tigers game and Jake is a thief behind the plate it works
@jbond119
@jbond119 2 месяца назад
@jomboy covered this much better, the lip reading was also a big help. I would argue that if the umpires can't determine specifically who they are ejecting then the only way they should be able react is 6.04(e)
@garygemmell3488
@garygemmell3488 2 месяца назад
I used to work a lot of Men's fastpitch softball and those guys were testosterone machines. They would argue about anything. I had a fellow umpire who, when he did not know who was chirping about balls and strike, would toss out the guy who was least likely to do the chirping. It would shut them up almost instantly.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
That's one way to do it. Men's fast pitch is a great exercise in game management, and you're absolutely correct that they will argue about everything including the color of home plate.
@dl72fan
@dl72fan 2 месяца назад
Or maybe the umpires should just do their job and not worry about this stuff
@cerebraltackle
@cerebraltackle 2 месяца назад
Ok kid.
@mitchelvalentino1569
@mitchelvalentino1569 2 месяца назад
I hope the dogs don’t start barking, or they’ll be next.
@cerebraltackle
@cerebraltackle 2 месяца назад
Pulling out the lineup card and saying, "ok, pick someone!". Genius! I'd hire him in an instant! 🤣
@darinlegore284
@darinlegore284 2 месяца назад
anyone remember the "old days" when they told us "to pick one" to reestablish control on field. That was allowed in 1990's.
@kevindavis8175
@kevindavis8175 2 месяца назад
Is the part about Bill Hohn and Bobby Cox true, where Hohn showed Bobby the lineup card to he could pick someone to get kicked out? I thought Hohn was just marking on the lineup card who he ejected. The commentators said that Hohn wanted Bobby’s E-Mail address.
@BlazePokePulls
@BlazePokePulls 2 месяца назад
That’s how I was taught by AAA guys. Whip out the lineup card and choose. It’s usually church inside that dugout for the rest of the game.
@kevindavis8175
@kevindavis8175 2 месяца назад
@@BlazePokePulls I thought it says in the rule book that umps have to send a report to the league about why the person was ejected. It would be weird if he put, “I just picked a random guy from the lineup card who might have not even been involved.”
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
​@@kevindavis8175We do. Ejection reports are properly written like police reports...and they may or may not reflect reality but they report what the official experienced. "Person A did X and was warned to stop. Person B continued the argument and was ejected."
@BlazePokePulls
@BlazePokePulls 2 месяца назад
@@teebob21 facts
@Leafsdude
@Leafsdude 2 месяца назад
@@kevindavis8175 I think "I know someone said something, but when I asked them to speak up, they wouldn't, so I picked someone from the lineup card" would probably go over a lot better. At least next time the guy might speak up, if he's a nobody bench coach. No one's likes a coward who won't own up to the things they say anonymously when caught.
@extremestormspotterdavidS
@extremestormspotterdavidS 2 месяца назад
Thats my trainer that helped me become a better HS Baseball Umpire in Wi.
@BlazePokePulls
@BlazePokePulls 2 месяца назад
@ 1:55 that is how it’s done. Been around Billy before. Good dude and no nonsense on the field.
@garrettmitchell4627
@garrettmitchell4627 2 месяца назад
Bill Hohn is garbage. Literally and figuratively. Rated consistently as one of the worst umpires in baseball during his career and he had a personal vendetta against the Braves. See his fiasco in Boston in 2009 then the clip Lindsay shows here. And also screwing over the Braves and fist bumping the Marlins' catcher after. Hohn should be studied in umpire school under the category of what not to be as an umpire.
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
Soft as wet dog shit.
@jimlawton4184
@jimlawton4184 2 месяца назад
You see the strike call/look combo a lot in lower leagues. I’m surprised it’s at this high level
@PapaVanTwee5
@PapaVanTwee5 2 месяца назад
It's almost like the blind leading the don't care. Although this is the first time I've seen a reversal of course, of course, of course.
@roberthudson1959
@roberthudson1959 2 месяца назад
Same stuff, different day. Chirping is only a problem if the target allows it to impact their performance.
@kennethw.edwards1816
@kennethw.edwards1816 2 месяца назад
"Ok coach, control your fans or your gone.'"
@williamaupperlee8852
@williamaupperlee8852 2 месяца назад
Can an umpire reverse a bad call like this. Like, “ Oops, my bad!”
@PhilKsDashcam
@PhilKsDashcam 2 месяца назад
Technically they can reverse an ejection but it rarely happens.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
​@@PhilKsDashcamIt rarely happens because by the time we get around to ejecting, someone's gotta go. We might not always see who said it, but someone earned their one-way trip to the parking lot.
@Phil007QOS
@Phil007QOS 2 месяца назад
The only time I seen an ejection reversed in game was in basketball. That was Larry Brown when he was with the Pistons. They mistakenly thought it was his second tech. so they took the ejection back. Brown opted not to return to the bench.
@jbond119
@jbond119 2 месяца назад
@@teebob21 except in the New York game where it was a fan
@andreymalov9602
@andreymalov9602 2 месяца назад
Nice moustache Ben has!
@danielhetue6968
@danielhetue6968 2 месяца назад
Agreed
@Yumi_Jay
@Yumi_Jay 2 месяца назад
Clearly, it was the dogs barking that the umpires heard.
@danielhetue6968
@danielhetue6968 2 месяца назад
Mainly the fans from the stands or other coaches.
@GregMcNeish
@GregMcNeish 2 месяца назад
Soccer has a fairly simple solution to this situation, which is that if a sanctionable offence (yellow or red card) is committed by someone in the technical area (the bench), and the referee cannot identify who it was, then the senior team official present in the technical area (most likely the manager or head coach) receives that sanction. Easy peasy.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
This ejection is a lot like one I had in an NCAA game a few years ago. I was getting ridden like a rented mule bunthe visiting team about my strike zone. Was it perfect? No, it was not great. But at one point, I told the dugout to stop, no more. The next pitch was shoulders high, and the batter swung and missed for strike 3. The dugout said, "hey Teebob, was that one a strike, too?" I auto-ejected without first identifying who said it. Now I was in a pickle. I walked over to the dugout to see who had to go. I saw the scorekeeper, and I was pretty sure he hadn't said anything; I saw the assistant coach, who was a jerk but I wasn't sure it was him, and I saw a student assistant who had been chirping earlier. I told the dugout that the student assistant had to go. Turns out it was the assistant coach the whole time, who was the dad of the grad assistant I dumped. Oh well, the whining about strike zone ended after that. Its like the old saying from Mr. Livingston: if you have a troop of rowdy monkeys, just shoot one, and the rest will get the hint.
@user-kv6wh5ut6o
@user-kv6wh5ut6o 2 месяца назад
I would love to have such a fragile ego that I couldn't handle someone telling me how horrible of a job I am doing. Maybe do a better job instead of getting rid of anybody who shows you any criticism. Try being a man instead of a bully.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o Ok, boss. Where do you work? It's probably some job on a computer. What would you do if some uninformed jackass berated you every time you needed to hit the Backspace key? How many games a year do you work? You'll note with your next careful reading of my story that nowhere did I say I was doing a perfect job. I knew it; we all knew it. Ego had nothing to do with it. Certain behaviors aren't permissible from dugout personnel. They chose to perform those behaviors. The penalty as prescribed by the rule book was enforced. No more; no less.... except I screwed up by not positively identifying the chosen victim before I carried out the sentence. It happens. I learned from it, and got better. So did that assistant coach.
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong 2 месяца назад
I hate dugouts that question whether a clear swing is a strike. At some point, you kind of just gotta pick someone so they all get the memo.
@ericwildfong
@ericwildfong 2 месяца назад
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o First, the rule book is very clear that you cannot argue balls and strikes. Teebob had put up with it for a while, eventually warned to stop, only for them to question the very next pitch. At that point someones gotta go. Second, in no other job in today's society are you likely to be berated and criticized just for having an off day, except for sports officiating. Somehow despite also being filled by humans, sports officials are subject to constant criticism just for having an off day.
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
Some people would, you know, do better. Too much to ask from umpires apparently.
@XXelpollodiabloXX
@XXelpollodiabloXX 2 месяца назад
I'd be so tempted to not give those strikes just because of how much that catcher is yanking the glove. It's ridiculous.
@Chafe3
@Chafe3 2 месяца назад
Jesus Christ I can’t stand these comments. It is PROVEN TO WORK TO GET MORE CALLED STRIKES. Blame the umpires for being fooled easily
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Framing and receiving is dead, and ABS down in MiLB has killed it. No one knows how to catch anymore.
@noellutsey5620
@noellutsey5620 2 месяца назад
Agreed! It's like flopping in the NBA. So tired of the pitch framing
@lscales6131
@lscales6131 2 месяца назад
Yeah framing is a skill and most mlb catchers these days lack it. JT does it well by putting his glove down and brining it up towards the ball.
@1969EType
@1969EType 2 месяца назад
Yup…and MLB needs to communicate to the teams that with robo-umps coming, framing will no longer impact ball/strike calls. The software is simply going to evaluate the pitch as it crosses the plate. The sad thing that no one is talking about is once MLB engages the robo-ump, the catcher’s position will become much less skilled due to framing not impacting the umpire’s call. There are guys in MLB as catchers who are there because of their defensive skills. This will be a thing of the past.
@jrmuckdog8836
@jrmuckdog8836 2 месяца назад
For all the slow children commenting about Jake Rodgers framing just know before you post he is #8 on the Statcast Catcher Framing Leaderboard and leads all catchers in strike rate.
@patrickfortune1687
@patrickfortune1687 2 месяца назад
Another bad call the umpire is to full of them self
@RobZelinka
@RobZelinka 2 месяца назад
Another sign of how this game has changed. It's simple for me, the King Rat goes. If he can't control his bench, the umpires will. I'm all for clearing the bench
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Who the frak is teaching these catchers to pull the pitch 18 inches up? God damn MLB catching is not impressive.
@bigpoppa1234
@bigpoppa1234 2 месяца назад
it's some reverse psychology thing where they frame pitches so high than when they get a normal one they think it will make the ump go "well he didn't frame that one it must be a strike".
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
And yet it works with these unimpressive umpires.
@trevoravery9270
@trevoravery9270 2 месяца назад
@@CommonSense823 it doesnt, thats what makes even more confusing.
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
@@trevoravery9270 Keep telling yourself that. There’s a reason catcher framing stats are kept.
@stephenj9470
@stephenj9470 2 месяца назад
​@@trevoravery9270It did for the first call of the video...
@bnegs521
@bnegs521 2 месяца назад
Why are these umpires listening to EVERYTHING being said. This is the ONLY sport officiated like this.
@gmlongo1
@gmlongo1 2 месяца назад
Agreed. They could just ignore it but there's a huge ego problem with umpires.
@bnegs521
@bnegs521 2 месяца назад
@gmlongo1 I have been near D1 and NFL Sundays and those guys talk crap all game. When have you seen an NFL Head coach ejected? 🤔
@richblunt1309
@richblunt1309 2 месяца назад
@@bnegs521 soccer and football refs take so much shit, and like some of the soccer stuff I can't believe how physical or in the face it gets.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Baseball is also one of the few sports that doesn't have an intermediate penalty which harms the team due to the actions of one player or bench personnel. Instead, baseball is a game of personal responsibility not to be a jackass. The only tools an umpire has for misconduct are to acknowledge it, warn to stop, and then eject. To use a soccer analogy, our yellow card does nothing, and all we have is a red one.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
@@bnegs521 No NFL head coach has ever been ejected from a game. However, under the rule changes implemented in 2017, if a coach earns two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, the penalty for the 2nd one will be ejection, just like for players. Had this rule been in place in 2014 when Todd Haley was coaching the Chiefs and got 45 yards worth of unsportsmanlike penalties in a single game, he would have been gone before halftime.
@deandreswiftszn6588
@deandreswiftszn6588 2 месяца назад
You would think the marlins would lose.. with that record.. oh and the ABSENCE OF THE MANAGER?? But they won. Interesting
@markanderson6654
@markanderson6654 2 месяца назад
I am going to let you all in on an umpiring secret after 40 years as an umpire. Coaches/Players sometimes group together and chatter so you can’t tell who actually did it. A classic trick. I just look over there and throw out the first one I see and then the chattering stops. Problem solved. Might not be the actual offender but oh well. Don’t play games with me while I am concentrating on my job. Just one of many tricks you learn after doing this wonderful thankless job over the years. And yes Lindsay I love your show and the comments. It is obvious that you really know the game and the rules.
@withaZprd
@withaZprd 2 месяца назад
Wow I’m early
@geoffroi-le-Hook
@geoffroi-le-Hook 2 месяца назад
I'm in the first 108 views
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
These umpires are so soft. They can’t determine who said anything, but damned if they aren’t gonna toss someone. Clear the entire bench? Sure. The team should stop playing until an umpire that actually knows what they are doing can be provided. In MLB, that might take a while.
@stephenj9470
@stephenj9470 2 месяца назад
No umpire has cleared the bench despite that evidently being an option. I think you're trying to say the rules committee is soft (with that comment). As for the others, some umpires are. But as a whole, I do not think so, and until the rules are changed to take away some of these reasons for ejection, they will use what is at their disposal to keep the game from getting out of hand.
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
@@stephenj9470 I’m saying even rooting for that outcome is 1) soft and 2) should result in teams refusing to play until MLB fixes their umpire issues.
@brianstever2146
@brianstever2146 2 месяца назад
All of his strike calls were correct, so I'm confused by your comment.
@johncaccamo
@johncaccamo 2 месяца назад
Much as I dont like it, ejecting people for illegal comments that the rules require an ejection IS umps doing their job. Its like complaining about getting a ticket for running a redlight in front of a cop.
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
@@brianstever2146 All 2 that were shown here? I’m confused why you would feel the need comment and defend this bullshit.
@mcleanse1382
@mcleanse1382 2 месяца назад
How about a rule that umps can only toss someone if they actually know the barking came from the dugout, good lord.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Simply because we don't always know for certain who committed the act which is a standard for removal from the game, isn't a good reason to simply ignore it. Managers are directly responsible for the proper conduct of their team and bench personnel.
@jbond119
@jbond119 2 месяца назад
@@teebob21 he said "FROM THE DUGOUT" is the manager also responsible for the proper conduct of the stands?
@nelsonbergman7706
@nelsonbergman7706 2 месяца назад
Some these umpires are thin-skinned. Do your job and don't listen so much.
@zachansen8293
@zachansen8293 2 месяца назад
I got no problem with this. I wouldn't have a problem if they ran the manager anyhow. Control your dugout. You're the boss so if you don't, it's on you. This is like when college football coaches used to have their underlings break the rules for them. NCAA got wise to that and now they just punish the organization. Lack of institutional control.
@FoxtasticGaming
@FoxtasticGaming 2 месяца назад
He tossed a guy for clapping. Umpires are in their feelings way too much. Put the ego aside and do your job. No one is there to see his porno mustache
@mrbow50001
@mrbow50001 2 месяца назад
that dugout looks in control to me man
@shawnchandler8719
@shawnchandler8719 2 месяца назад
He offered to go, and the ump told him he couldn't. When asked, who was ejected then, the response was, I don't know but pick someone. However, the manager was told that he couldn't pick himself, and that it had to be a position player. Only for the crew chief to come in and eject another coach. I don't know why they didn't just toss him. A lot of the conversation was missed or just left out of the video.
@jbond119
@jbond119 2 месяца назад
@@shawnchandler8719 go see jomboy
@prs44
@prs44 2 месяца назад
helluva union those critters have. makes the teamsters envious.
@mptr1783
@mptr1783 2 месяца назад
yeah, those teamsters never make mistakes on the job lol
@Kurgosh1
@Kurgosh1 2 месяца назад
The worst part is, this ump's likely to get reprimanded or demoted for reversing course. The cardinal rule for all umpires at every level is NEVER admit a mistake. Double down and punish your victims further.
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Not a single sentence in your comment was true.
@FoxtasticGaming
@FoxtasticGaming 2 месяца назад
Clearly a soft umpire.
@deputyduffy
@deputyduffy 2 месяца назад
you can't say that here...people come here to get off over this stuff.
@TheCpadron19
@TheCpadron19 2 месяца назад
An umpire showing how bad umpires are at their job. Man I can't wait until they're out of the game. Imagine getting 300,000 a year to be horrible at your job.
@HarrySJohnson
@HarrySJohnson 2 месяца назад
What is this take?????????
@James-py6kf
@James-py6kf 2 месяца назад
You’ll be waiting for a while because umpires aren’t going anywhere
@teebob21
@teebob21 2 месяца назад
Now I'm curious: how many games a year do you work, and at what level?
@CommonSense823
@CommonSense823 2 месяца назад
@@teebob21now I’m curious…. How many games and at what level do you need to work to identify a trash umpire?
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@LoveLawWill 2 месяца назад
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