East London | Living in the East End of London | Cockney Rhyming Slang | 1980s London | 1988 

In fifty years time today's kids will be saying the same thing 😂

Gor blimey guvnor apples and pears jellied eels no wot R mean geezer geezer 😅

The whole East End has changed in the last 40 years Even Soap Operas like Eastenders used to be great to watch. I stopped watching it in early 2000s as it began to go down hill. But yea, life changes, people move on and we yearn for the good ole days aye

Too many foreigners

@@irishcountryman4866 Nothing to do with foreigners per se. Everything to do with culture. The East End has seen endless groups immigrate to its neck of the woods but it's the parent culture: the muck-in communitarian culture, that people were adopted by, which has disappeared.

@@crazyfishmonster459 It hasn't disappeared. Because other cultures "muck-in" and help each other out. The English don't do that anymore.

@@irishcountryman4866 said an Irishman. Who's foreign.

@Deesar Thafaks only Romford now. It used to be in far more places than just there. Cockney will be extinct in 30 years.

@Deesar Thafaks no it isn't. Romford has now pretty much eradicated the cockney or cockney culture too. Romford is more like Pakistan or Bangladesh these days.

@@welshlad6427 how are you Welsh lad? I'm Cardiff.

@Deesar Thafaks good luck reasoning with the racist

Says Welsh lad lmao

Cultural Enrichment is to blame.

Well the nearest county was Essex. I was born and bred in NW London but moved to Essex in 1968, so now I consider myself an Essex girl (and proud of it). Essex is great (and so is Kent).

@@MienemLeben was it not the Irish dock workers who created the rhythm slang. As far as I was aware cockneys were a great mix of everything look at the krays they were everything but English

@@siofra3819 demographically speaking, the east end is no longer Cockney. The people living there don't look it or sound it.

@@MienemLeben Cockney has completely gonefrom London. The working class all have "rude boi" accents now.

what irks me is that they say "london has always been a city of immigrants" and that is true, but the level of immigration was never too the point in which it pushed out the natural culture and population. yeah they had a few jewish shops, an Italian ice cream parlour, etc but not like now. entire areas of the city.

@@SwissCheese112 That’s their schtik, spouting a modicum of truth but not quantifying numbers or changes. They’re all at it, Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, every major party. Lying and selling us out wholesale.

@TTFPouyii cultures are so similar? That’s completely false!

@@SwissCheese112it was also European immigrants so after 1 gen they were English. You have 5th gen Pakistani that don’t assimilate into British culture. That’s the issue these “foreigners” refuse to integrate into British society

Don't think anybody in their right mind would want to go back to the conditions many of them had then - if it was so great, thousand upon thousand of them wouldn't have moved out. My great grandmother was noticeably under 5' tall. She grew up in the east end. She was that small because of malnutrition in her childhood. She often used to tell me what a hell hole it was. The east end now certainly isn't perfect, but it's no longer known as "the abyss" like it was in their day.

@@zeddeka This is a good comment. The living standards were awful. The malnutrition was real. Your comment reminds of what life was like for the poor in Naples. A lot of these people who say it’s worse now mean that traditional East End is no longer English & white. It’s more Pakistani or people who are non white. These people moved into very poor housing left behind white East Enders.

@@NoName-jq7tj the people in the video are talking about losing their sense of community, people not taking care of each other, tower blocks etc. If you think that’s gotten better I don’t know what to say.

They certainly wouldn't recognize it today, it's not full of dirty horrible slums that they used to have with even worse looking pubs with drunks pissed out the minds throwing up on their way home. London was made better by the ethnic people who worked hard and made it vibrant and prosperous after the whites left it a dirty horrible state and moved to good ol'Essex, which is still a shit hole where nobody goes

@@zeddeka repeating the same lies on every comment lol they moved out the moment non white people moved into their neighbourhoods

London is gone now, it’s not the place l grew up in.

@@thomasgoodisson8877 when it was all krays and skinheads?

Mustard

There are few of our people and culture still about but very very very few nowadays in London or the east end. My nan refused to call herself a cockney although she spoke like one lol. She always referred to herself as a Londoner as she was not born within the sound of the bow bells.

Same here Jamie is there anything more cockney than the term " salt of the earth"👍

LOL

"Spotting a cockney is as rare" Because they made their choices to move out! There is always some idiot that has to make an inane comment on EVERY video like this. They expect things to never ever change. Suppose it hadn't? What a boring stagnant country this would be. And you would not have your widescreen telly or iphone.

@@agfagaevart Total bollocks

@@josephomalley1526 :-0 Idiot! :-)

Mate. The world is always changing. The east end you grew up in was nothing like the east end 50 years before that. Nobody "destroyed" anything. Older generations die and are replaced by younger, different ones. New technology changes everything. It happens to us all sooner or later. You sound like a grumpy old man who's shocked to find out that just like every other human ever, he's grown old and the world of his youth has gone.

This is what people who over-romanticise the past forget - as late as the 80s there was surplus housing in East London because it was an absolute dump. Once many of the cockneys realised they could move to Essex and upgrade their council flat on a rough estate to a nice house they jumped at the chance. Now it’s the 20th century immigrant communities who are finding themselves displaced by gentrification. There’s definitely more white people living in East London now compared to 10 years ago.

Careful mate, the cops will be all over that

@Ace 💯

A mixture of gentrification and the KALERGI PLAN

So true. There often a temptation to look back with too much rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia. A lot of the East End was a hard shit hole.

He was a member of SPGB, a tiny socialist group and the oldest Marxist group in the UK.

He wrote a good biography of Jack London in the 1970s.

I'm from Stepney, alas now in Essex

My Father In Law is from Stepney Green, born & bred, lived on Commerical Road. My Husband’s Nan always said “I was born in Stepney & I’ll die in Stepney” - and that’s exactly what she did. Once My Husband & his parents moved out to Essex in the 90’s, they tried to persuade her to move with them but she refused blank point no as it’s all she’d ever known

What East End gang was that?

@@jasonantigua6825 The Krays

What was his name?

@@louiem2 nice

@@jasonantigua6825 Ronnie and Reggie

Don’t get me started on Charlie Mullins btw - strike a match near the geezers face good grief ! Plenty of good tradesmen in London still away from Pimlico - I’m just moving on 👍

Love these East End clips, the wit the humour, remember an old window cleaner called Fred in Islington used to push his cart like trolley right up to the '80's, told me he had started after Second world war collecting wool/ clothes and selling it on for a small profit, then finally window round, a funny and hard working man, used to have a pint with him in the BP Garage New North Rd/ East Rd where I worked '75 to '80 as a forecourt attendant, great times Fred RIP

Crime free days??? You're joking? The east end was always a byword for crime and violence. I take it you're not familiar with the Krays or other gangland murderers from the east end? Or the jack the ripper murders before that? The east end used to be known as "The Abyss" because it was so full of crime, poverty and squalor.

Crime free?! Are you fucking delusional?

Cultural enrichment 🤣🤣 I can think of far better description and certainly not as complimentary.

@@zeddeka What about Wayne the ripper?

We have been taken over and told we can't hang out our own flag and can't be British because it's racist.

Naaah it's not gone there are still loads of cockneys in London and even more in Essex. Estuarine is 'cockney lite'. Even MLE the accent which has displaced cockney in some places is still obviously derived from cockney.

@@robmcrob2091 You’d have to have fcking good hearing to hear the bells at Cheapside in Essex, metaphorically speaking,

Na mate, most moved Essex way

@@spidyman8853 most did go to Essex. He's not disagreeing with you. He's just saying a lot also moved out to other places too. Crawley for example was redeveloped and took a lot of people from the East End.

Exactly right. The Aussie word 'cobber' comes from the old Suffolk verb 'to cob' which meant to like something or someone.

The early convicts were mostly Cockney. That's the start of the Aussie accent.

I think the American accent comes from the softer country accent and Australian from more cockney.

@Roots Lifted A bit like 'fall' in America was what we used to call Autumn and then it died out and was replaced solely by Autumn here and not there.I can really hear the cockney in the Australian accent!

@Roots Lifted I know,such a shame certain accents are dying out.At least you’re out there !

The best pie and mash in castle pie and mash camden town

Because malnutrition, TB and crushing poverty were such a tonic weren't they?

@@zeddeka I’d take that over what we’ve got now all day long.

Thatcher times, are you sure?

@@silviopozza8413 that’s one downside. It wasnt perfect but take those days all day long over todays……Covid…..Wokeness……Free Speech being diminished……..social media…..the list goes on. Life not perfect but was far better then.

@@welshlad6427 Isn't that a bit of romanticising the past? Pandemics are somehow cyclic, wokeness is revolutionary (potentially intrinsic to some working classes since Marx/Engels), and the "free speech diminishing" is a shady area where despicable people of all kinds disguise their prejudices as "opinion".

Lol

Per capita stats don’t seem to be your strong point.

@@bushwhackeddos.2703 explain how per capita stats show how everything was brilliant in the older days then smart man

@Boris-g5q no they didn’t people didn’t all speak English in England 50 years ago don’t be silly.

@Boris-g5q crack on Boris. Unlike you I don’t get offended when people online call me silly ya big cry baby

exactly

What a load of bo@@ox

I understood those words to have come from the British Empire stationed in India actually

There was no Victorian immigration, other than Jewish. Words with Indian origin came back to Britain via the British Army.

True

Mostly Irish sent to Australia

Yes the London criminals were the first to be sent there, this is why Australians when speaking English like to get to the point, also use slang, this is where it came from

​@@jamesfitzgerald6636 Mostly English.

Southhhhhhh london

@TTFPouyii by the maths yes

Why did you blur the screen?

Maybe Joe was like me (- according to my family, neighbours.. etc.) "Could talk the leg off an iron pot." (-alternatively ".. Off a kitchen chair.")

@@jasonayres Our family would have said 'Jaw the hind leg off a donkey'.

@@harryfaber ".. Talked until the cows came home."

Bethnal green is a up and coming place

It's all judaism. The zio isn't cartel within it want Amalek and Amalekites destroyed and they want Edom / Esau destroyed. The USA the west and do forth. They want their noahide world order and the return of their Mosshiach Ben David. Everything in this world is being engineered by them. They are engineering prophecy. This is fact. Wake yourself up x

Globalisation in a nutshell

This is demonstrable drive. It's only white people who are under attack Andrew who aren't allowed to collectivise as a race. Every other race is not only allowed to do that, but is positively encouraged to do so. At white peoples expense.

Drivel* fucking auto correct.

Sux 4 u

Really you think? I mean I like him and all but first real rnr guitarist ?

Your having a George Raft

@jonathan steadman, you mean he was that bad as a guitarist. He was on the rock n roll, (dole) more like 😂

@@Bennyboy12 Oh he wasn't that bad but i know what you mean

You having a bobble hat?

You poor thing if that was great look at it now worse dump than then 😂😂

Depends on the influences and culture they had. The east end was always subject to waves of immigration for hundreds of years, and each nationality that came will have influenced the accent and dialect. There are still for example a lot of Yiddish words in cockney slang owing the Jewish emigration from Eastern Europe in the 1800s.

@@zeddeka Like Alfie Solomon, ive found the cockney variant i like the most and it is: ”Charles Bronson Easter 2020” It has a positive feel all of that video, a great deal of motivational speech there. The closest ive heard anyone sound like that is when Tom Hardy does his own version of it.

@@AckSnus Charles Bronson the criminal was from Luton Bedfordshire not London

@@zeddeka not a single one of those entirely white (except jews) waves of immigration ever changed the ethnic majority of the area, at the height of the fictionalised 'jewish east end' the area was less than 15% jewish

@@AckSnus charles bronson isn't a cockney he's from luton, a muslim majority city today

You knew where you stood with the Krays, jack the ripper, poverty, gangland crime, disease and malnutrition didn't you?

@@zeddeka Pretty much everything you said still applies, except now instead of the Krays you have about 100 different individual gangs. At least the Krays didn't deal drugs or harm innocents.

Romanticising poverty...?

@@timmolloy7574 😂 illegal protection rackets are worse than drug dealing not to mention murder, arson, robbery, hijacking also Charlie Kray the lesser known Kray was dealing drugs.

It is not just that because Dutch and Flemish were all up the east coast, including Norfolk and Suffolk where they left behind some dialect words 'dwile' for mop and in earlier times bought lots of weavings skills and canary breeding as a hobby from the 1600s - but the core accent of Anglia is probaly still more related to older Engish isnt it ? A lot of Anglians also moved to industry in London ( and many people from the south East must have moved to London for the same reason, which also then helped shape the 1700s/ 1800s accents of the east of London. Prior to this period, London accents would have sounded more like a west country accent.

Yup

What does that mean 🤔

@@Rob_Walker. These people are looking back on past times in 1988, a time itself considered old times today.

@@liamb8644 makes me feel very old 🤣😂

It is SO BORING and TIRESOME!

So it’s everyone else’s fault u lot are greedy 😂😂and can’t form communities lol if immigrants can come here a form communities why can’t u

From what I am told, no. Maybe for the coronation or a jubilee, but then my grandparents & great grandparents lived in East Ham and were 'in trade'.

@@Takeawayinataxi My grandmother could play, she had an upright, but her brother married a lady who thought they were a bit posh, so they had a grand, but had to ask other people to play it as they couldn't. Wanstead people would not be seen dead lugging a piano into the street and knocking out a tune, they were for the front room, and for refined music! I do have to smile at the way folk thought back then. That side of my family came from East Ham, my grandfather and grandmother bought a house in Gants Hill, and were accused of thinking they were above the rest of the family, until Arthur and Florence got their place in Wanstead. My Grandma was Flo, her sister in law was Florence and never just Flo.

My Grandma was from Bethnal Green, my grandpa from Stepney. They married in the 50’s and from my grandpas stories, I can say that this sometimes happened. Not too often mind, but more people played back then I reckon, so if you had a piano you’d either invite people in around Christmas for a carol, or bring it out in summer for the locals. Again, can’t vouch for all, just what I’ve been told.

Much of these current views are romanticised fable (albeit THIS clip is already 40 years old, so THEIR memories go Back further than 40 years from today). East Ham was.. is never part of the East End.. the East End is West of River Lea. Stratford, Plaistow, East Ham, Forest Gate.. Newham, its development from late 1800s was made up of single-occupier owner-occupied housing.. these were already East Enders escaping to the countryside, for something better. That racing your front door open, singing around the piano on the street might have happened pre -WW2, but after the Blitz most damaged housing in the was replaced by tower blocks and/or other social housing.. so circumstances had already changed. We moved from rented rooms in Dalston to own house in East Ham in 62.. that was definitely not moving to the same environment. IIRC all my school friends lived in their own owner-occupied housing. My best friend "cousin" when I started school was Pakistani. My best friend "brother" when I started work was born in Hackney same as me, parents from Carribean. I worked in Spitalfields in early 80s, where my dad's relatives had lived in a new tenament (Brune House) from the 20s. Then it was full of Jews, when I worked there it was full of Bengalis. Now it's gentrified (like much of the real East End, and Stratford! Times change, problems stay the same. And places like Ilford and Barking, ESSEX would have been another step up.. not more East End.

Yes they did the upright pianos yes indeed they did. For all sorts of occasions.

Bit harsh !

For sure, in Beckton ONLY the posh ones went skiing. What ski equipment the poor would have?

Accents do change. The usual accent that you will hear around London back in the 1400s will change as centuries passes by. Now, Multicultural London English is a rising accent.

My mother was a cockney my dad wasn't, thankfully I didn't have her accent.

It could be Somalia or Baghdad, not just the east end, all of London. Just think what happens when to many outsiders/white folk, are in their land. They start an uprising. When they enter ours? We stick them on benefits give them a new build and send there kids on the local schools. Which are already hard enough to get into. Let’s be honest that’s why there’s so much knife crime for they run the streets then there’s their treatment of women to. Endless problems.

Surrey? Very nice! Bought a big house from all that drug money?

@@jasonantigua6825 yes, thank you.

@@cockneykev6532 Well done.

and why do you think your presence had a massive impact on London, goodbye your not miss or felt

Londonistan.. Sold out By North London Lawyers /MPs ...Keir starmer mates .. see Tony Blair for details .